Pokemon and Bad Game Design: The Issue of Overlap

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DrCoeloCephalo

DrCoeloCephalo

Жыл бұрын

Artist of the image of Karen used in the thumbnail is Vema.
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites." - some moronic casual misinterpreting Karen's quote.
It doesn't work that way, man.

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@combatmantis4393
@combatmantis4393 Жыл бұрын
Overlap is even worse when you find a Pokemon you love design wise only to find out it's stats are rather poor.
@Kaizer_Ulysses
@Kaizer_Ulysses Жыл бұрын
Tinkaton lmao
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 Жыл бұрын
@@Kaizer_Ulysses well I two very obvious ideas for buffs that could be given to Tinkaton: First replace Pickpocket with huge power and second have gigaton hammer work the same as Red, Blue and Yellow Hyper Beam. Also a nerf to Atk 70->50 (-20) Edit it was suggested I lower Tinkaton’s attack to 50
@Kaizer_Ulysses
@Kaizer_Ulysses Жыл бұрын
@@ultimapower6950 I think huge power fits too tho they need to make her atk to 50 similar to azu cus huge power with 70 batk is too much and make gigaton hammer 120 bsp with 30% recoil similar to flare blitz and wave crash
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 Жыл бұрын
@@Kaizer_Ulysses well the make gigaton hammer a recoil move could also work I just feel like having it work similar to RBY hyper beam would be more unique.
@Kaizer_Ulysses
@Kaizer_Ulysses Жыл бұрын
@@ultimapower6950 ye that's great too I'm just thinking of the competitive scene if it was like that 💀
@Toomanian
@Toomanian Жыл бұрын
I haven't finished the video, but, I would say: seemingly redundant Pokemon can have value by fitting better on a particular team. A Pokemon can have a different typing or ability that may not generally make much of a difference, but can be huge for teambuilding.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
This is definitely true. Even Pokemon like Quagsire and Rhyperior have a history of not technically being OU by usage but are definitely more OU viable in specific situations.
@Toomanian
@Toomanian Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo And there's always going to be some very specific type interactions, especially in lower tiers and older gens where options are more limited. I think some Pokemon having design overlap allows for variety between tiers, so, an inferior Pokemon of a certain type and team role can thrive in a tier lower than the superior Pokemon of the same type. Granted, tiers aren't actually part of Pokemon or it's design, so on its own terms it kind of fails in terms of overlap, but the community helped solve this.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@Toomanian Not to mention said lower tiers pretty much rely on a fanmade format that has to mod the game because Sleep status conditions are bullshit. Smogon usage stats are a treasure trove of data they just seem to want to disregard.
@sprinklesmckincles726
@sprinklesmckincles726 Жыл бұрын
Pokémon just needs a complete overhaul of its battle system. It’s been the same for like over a decade, with no differences. Another thing I’d love to see again is a new game that uses ONLY new Pokémon. Like what black and white did. Because it’ll let the new ones shine before people complain and want their old stuff to come back that would overshadow the new stuff
@Aurirang
@Aurirang 26 күн бұрын
And what would you change about it? I think it's a very good fighting system. The limitation of moveslots incentivises the player to pick carefully in order to build a well balanced pool and team. It gives enough room for synergy but not enough to become an 'all terrain vehicle'. Now the moves themselves are more the problem. There are alot of moves that are straight up trash due to either low power, low hitchance (it's usually low hit chance) or other unwanted effects. And then there's some stupidely op moves which feel more like the power fantasy of a 12 year old. The abilities share the same issue. With some being completely useless to some being completely broken. I'd say it would be better to re-balance alot of the Pokémon, most notably the first two gen ones and maybe redo some of the typings to fit the Pokémon better. (Like, c'mon, give Noctowl the psychic/flying type as well!) I specifically enjoyed the Mega-evolutions as it gave older Pokémon a new purpose and a short time to shine (Beedrill, you were glorious, no matter what people say). I'm all for doing it like B/W as well. This way i've found new favorites, i'd never tried out otherwhise. (Venipede as example) I think the exception could be made with local variants and Eevee if a new Evolution is added (it's high time for a new one anyway)
@ExChampyNNo.1
@ExChampyNNo.1 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true about limitedness of Pokemon. It seems like with newer games every other mon doesn’t have single niche use and I have to use something unbalanced to do at least marginally good.
@RandomDood1
@RandomDood1 Жыл бұрын
I hate how similar pokemon become when there are so many small ways to make them unique. Flash Fire is always stuck on fire types, which means they are always pit against eachother. When you could give Flash Fire to something like Gourgiest, whose theme of a jackolantern works really well with the ability. There are a lot of mons that need massive rehauls, but a decent amount just need a few tweaks.
@jacobmorris6357
@jacobmorris6357 10 ай бұрын
5:02 This guy basically got his wish to have a pokemon strong against every type in 2013 when the fairy/steel combination came to be..
@donkkut5003
@donkkut5003 Жыл бұрын
this is the reason i like smogon, pokemon is pretty awesome competitively when action is taken to attempt to balance it out, creating plenty of interesting metagames with most pokemon getting a chance to shine in lower tiers
@tylerd1297
@tylerd1297 Жыл бұрын
I think some examples of overlap were patched but too little too late. Feraligatr and Gliscor have major advantages despite overlap but arent in recent regional dexes. Entei got Sacred Fire around the same time; Vileplume got Strength Sap Generation 7. All stuff that would have been great except power creep ruined it
@somegingyguy
@somegingyguy Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s kinda crazy that every Pokémon anime and form of Pokémon media preaches that every Pokémon is different and it’s the trainer that brings it out, every single Pokémon game I’ve played however All my Pokémon are different but to me they’re the same as the Pokémon I used last time of the same type 😂 I’ve always liked soultimates in yo Kai watch and that every yo Kai has an actual voice and personality instead of just saying their name.
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL Жыл бұрын
The last time they really did anything to existing pokemon Gen 7 (Drought Torkoal and Drizzle Pelipper anyone?), and most of the stat buff attempts in Gen 6 went to nowhere (even in the lower tiers) *cough* Roserade's Def *cough* Staraptor's Sp. Def *cough* if anything, it only makes the odds of them being OHKO'd a little bit more random Nowadays they just throw moves at any existing pokemon like darts and hope it sticks and makes an impact (unless the mon is so beyond repair that it barely makes a difference), without buffing any of their stats nor give them a new ability (other than Gallade or the Hisuian mons, or replacing Hail with the superior Snow so that it's actually a weather); All whiling nerfing some mons that are considered over-powered directly or indirectly (Amoonguss by making fellow grass-types immune to powder moves, Thundurus via the Prankster, Swagger, and T-Wave nerfs, certain Megas like Kangaskhan, Gardevoir and Salamence whiling those lasted, Aegislash's stats and signature move, Mimikyu's Disguise ability, the terrains cause of the Tapus alone, Protean/Libero ability, Grassy Glide cause of Rillaboom alone, Zacian's stats and ability, and sadly Zamazenta's too, Urshifu's Wicked Blow, and singles stalling as a whole), only to also contradict that by giving both Incineroar and Grimmsnarl Parting Shot, gave Spectrier Draining Kiss and Psychic, and even gave Urshifu Swords Dance on top of leaving Unseen Fist untouched
@SmolStall
@SmolStall Жыл бұрын
its kind of ironic you bring up Golem and Rhydon, considering they were both rather equal in viability for a very long time for SPECIFICALLY unique reasons. only due to a glitch in the original games code is it no longer the case. as Golem can no longer paralyze normal mons. As inteneded however, they filled different nieches that were very important and unique in the meta game
@paz8723
@paz8723 Жыл бұрын
Honestly if Nintendo forced Pokemon to have Multiplayer, thats one of the only good things theyve done ever
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Their main goal was to make the games be unique singleplayer experiences during development. Multiplayer battling was NOT on their priority list. Nintendo demanded it and to make it take player input cuz they woud have sooner made the multiplayer battles use auto attacks like Dragon Quest Monsters.I certainly have no complaints with being able to play a game I love with pals.
@jeremiahevans6346
@jeremiahevans6346 Жыл бұрын
Blind Pokemon fan boys pulling up a level 10 tortchick against a level 50 primal kyogre and thinking they can win.
@ultimapower6950
@ultimapower6950 Жыл бұрын
Or a level 10 chikorita against a 50 primal groundon thinking they stand a chance
@anasbinmaalik3739
@anasbinmaalik3739 2 ай бұрын
technically they can if the opponent is really stupid and spams scary face
@sham_noway
@sham_noway Жыл бұрын
ppl talk abt Sejuns Pachurisu and completely forget how pacha was hand picked due to its specific strengths alongside the rest of Sejuns team as well as the meta
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Also he was using the meta Amoonguss beforehand. That tends to get ignored.
@hapi4714
@hapi4714 Жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn't keep up with competitive Pokemon, this video is pretty informative (and a little sad) in regards to showcasing how much Pokemon are outright better than each in a sad way. Recent example that really hurts is seeing Weavile for instance get thrown to the wayside but what is essentially Weavile 2, Zacian being wildly better than Zamazenta or Cherrim being a contender for the worst grass type pokemon ever lmao. Pokemon fr has this weird mentality of "There's always a bigger fish" while Yo Kai Watch seems to care more about each fish being cool in it's own right (even if some are extremely good). Kinda sad that despite how popular online battling is, Game Freak and the Pokemon Company kinda just buff or nerf Pokemon off the drop of a hat more than anything.
@dankudos1492
@dankudos1492 Жыл бұрын
I'm just commenting in here to say thank you for making yokai watch content( although I don't think this counts, but it's still good). After I completed ykw1, my Ds broke, and there wasn't really much content seen of it. I was really happy to see this channel
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Rest assured, I DO have plans to cover other YKW related aspects in future videos. I just felt like ranting about Pokemon game design too cuz these videos are short and easy to make.
@dankudos1492
@dankudos1492 Жыл бұрын
@DrCoeloCephalo no I'm perfectly fine with this I think it's kind of rare to find people criticize pokemon in this kind of way instead of the surface level stuff which is why I enjoy your content. Although I'm happy to hear that you're still making ykw content at all
@toekneemart5597
@toekneemart5597 Жыл бұрын
​@@DrCoeloCephalo when you were announcing you were going to make pokemon videos as well I wasn't sure if I'd like it or not since there's alot of pokemon content out there that I just find bland. But this is good 10/10 keep it up
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@toekneemart5597 Thanks so much. Yeah, I aint doing any of those "Top 10s" or "Lavender Town is so scary, guys!" or "Look at this USELESS flavor text in the PokeDex entries! So cool and spooky!". Everyone else has done those to death lol.
@junglejuicejuno
@junglejuicejuno Жыл бұрын
I want to make a monster collector myself that takes into account the competitive scene, my plan is to have every fully evolved monster have a bst of about 450 so that even if there are better monster choices it's not because their base stats are overall lower
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
My own plan was to make every monstercplay uniquely including unevolved ones like YW3.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 Жыл бұрын
The thumbnail is a masterpiece, 3 famous KZfaqrs' thumbnail styles and random fanart all thrown together into the perfect storm of Internet. 😂 As for the whole "Nintendo gave this to Pokémon when Game Freak wouldn't" thing, you could make an entire video on all the times that happened.
@vyktorehon5995
@vyktorehon5995 Жыл бұрын
That Karen on the bottom left thumbnail fr
@Galitinn
@Galitinn Жыл бұрын
Very well made video I remember playing through sun and moon and thinking why do I have this Pokémon I caught on route one that I nicknamed and bonded with when there is literally a copy pasted version with better stats on the next route lol
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Nature is cruel and unforgiving.
@RinaShinomiyaVal
@RinaShinomiyaVal Жыл бұрын
RB Spearow and RB Pidgey come to mind.
@Hammerbruder99
@Hammerbruder99 Жыл бұрын
That's the reason why I love playing 6v6 Singles Draft Leagues on Showdown. The participants sort all the mons into tiers based on their experiences in the draft meta. Everyone has to draft a squad of 12 Pokémon; 2 S, 3 A, 3 B, 2 C, 2 D for example. There are even draft leagues where they ban most strong Pokémon, so that the C and D-tier mons are roughly S and A in the so-called SML (shitmon league) meta. Many draft leagues are played in NatDex so you can use all the old mons and moves they took away from many mons (Toxic, Scald, Knock Off) in recent gens. The point is: Just like in Smogon's lower tiers you can use all your favourite weak Pokémon without straightup losing and depending on the meta/banlist even a Sudowoodo can be viable. ^^ So I don't really have a problem with power creep and overlap because I'm not limited to OU or the nasty VGC meta. 😅
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I coveree the benefit of the Draft League system in one of my other videos. Specifically the Yo-Kai Watcg competitive format explaining its banlist.
@DistantKingdom
@DistantKingdom Жыл бұрын
nice vid! i guess somewhat of a silver lining to the whole dexit thing was it shrinks the pool of available pokemon which kind of addresses the overlap issue, at least momentarily before the DLC drops
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
So Dexit good HQ animation man? 🤔
@IgnacioSantander-cj1lh
@IgnacioSantander-cj1lh Ай бұрын
He put phisical water types on the thumbnail, but just you wait till you see defesnive special attacking water types with incredibly (not so much) movepools
@jd42010
@jd42010 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, the reason I didn't mind that the newer games tried limiting the pool of returning mons was because of these issues with oversaturated niches. It is interesting given the huge pool of existing mons to see them shuffled and remixed, even as a casual player. In many ways, it also makes playing more competetively easier since you dont need to worry about trading up a bunch of mons. I think the weaker mons mostly serve as a good gameplay balance, even if in VGC the ability to use almost any pokemon is redundant, within the games it can lead to some power scaling and make progression a bit more diverse (not fun when the only option for a psychic type immune to sleep is hypno, which might be too much compared to an easier girafarig, etc) I just think if pokemon wants to have a more tailored roster, with only a handful of new pokemon, they *need* to make sure the pokemon are there for a reason.
@PregnantAdamSandler
@PregnantAdamSandler 2 ай бұрын
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites." "And I took that personally"- Every competitive pokemon essayist for some reason (no shade it's just funny how often I see people on here dunk on that line in comp essays)
@victorycry8849
@victorycry8849 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that every Pokémon not having a unique niche is entirely a bad thing. It definitely would be better from a utilitarian perspective, as having a lot of monsters in your game that are just bad compared to others is kind of waste of design. But when there are so many Pokémon and they all do different things and have variety in what sets they can run, I feel it becomes a bit too much too keep track off when playing. I don’t know, as someone who is bad at the game and gets stuck on the lower ladder where people use weird, unviable stuff anyway, I find myself getting frustrated a lot because I don’t know what to do against half of it. I found myself having more fun playing Gen 1 than the newer gens because there is only like 10 good mons, another 10 or so meh ones, and everything else is so outclassed they might as well all be Delibird. I think that more centralized metas can be more fun (and competitive) at times, as long as there isn’t like one Pokémon or one team dominating everything, obviously.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you would like YKW then since every monster is far more specialized and less info to remember on what runs what while still being moe complex.
@sephikong8323
@sephikong8323 Жыл бұрын
Only thing about this video that sprouted me into commenting is ..... wtf is this tier list at 3:43 ???! Who is the psychopath that put MILOTIC in C rank, the same rank as stuff like Articuno, Lapras, Lunatone or Scizor and a tier below freaking Smeargle ? 💀💀💀 I generally am very receptive to seeing other's opinions on ADV OU but damn, this one is getting too spicy for me
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I got it from the ADV viability rank thread. Seemed pretty fair to me.
@jelanikollie7588
@jelanikollie7588 Жыл бұрын
Aye man, i love seeing my 252 attack and speed, adamant garchomp use earthquake on an Ampharos
@AdolfSmeargle
@AdolfSmeargle Ай бұрын
Doubles battles offsets this a little by enabling support Pokémon and allowing for some Pokémon to be good by working well next to other Pokémon which allows for some more variety in Pokémon variety
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Ай бұрын
I would argue Doubles has it far worse. Stuff like Smeargle, Regieleki, Flutter Mane and Incineroar among others really triavialize using other options.
@ToxicWyvern1
@ToxicWyvern1 Жыл бұрын
>Now Game Freak is stuck with a Metagame they clearly don't care about Correction: they do care, they just use it to prop up shillmons rather than make a fun balanced game. That's why Charizard get 3 broken bullshit forms and every move under the sun while Typhlosion gets c*cked out of basic stuff like Earth Power so that everyone can point and laugh at how lame and weak the Gen 2 starters are because f*ck Johto. Pokemon is such bullshit, should have switched to Yokai Watch a long time ago.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Never too late to emulate and Disc Creatures is cheap. I would absolutely not mind Meganium NOT being low tier trash. At least Typhlosion got a Hisuian form and Feraligatr has friggin Sheer Force while Meganium has to compete with a lousy Eviolite Tangela lol. Pokemon truly is such bullshit.
@ToxicWyvern1
@ToxicWyvern1 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo I’ll be sure to check out Disc Creatures Funny you mention the Hisuian form because it looks like someone at Game Freak was angry with the Legends Arceus Team for picking Cyndaquil as the Fire starter. In Scarlet Violet H.Typhlosion was given Frisk for a hidden abilities, which can be charitably called a “mid” ability at best, but the tournament rules just so happened to conveniently change the to “open meta” so H. Typhlosion literally doesn’t have a hidden ability. Meanwhile the other two Hisuian starts got some of the most powerful hidden abilities in the game.
@caimanthechimera679
@caimanthechimera679 Жыл бұрын
@@ToxicWyvern1 even when they give him a shiny new Hisuian form poor Typhlosion still gets c*cked by GF, that’s honestly kinda depressing man Yo-Kai Watch would never…
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
I wish you good luck with your better franchise
@GumCow
@GumCow Жыл бұрын
I only play casual playthroughs and I just use pokemon that I like, not going off stats or move pools. Only ones that I find cool, or unique. I've never had problems in casual playthroughs of the game, but I do understand the competitive scene. Luckily there's all sorts of metas people can do that'll allow their pokemon to shine.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Again, these things still apply to casual playthroughs. You can very easily get monsters that are much better for clearing certain Gyms or Elites.
@GumCow
@GumCow Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo Oh for sure, but it's also not impossible to clear them with "bad" pokemon. It also adds that challenge that most people want
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@GumCow It's honestly WAY more meaningful if a game is harder by default and you still use weaker options to clear it because then it becomes far more impressive. If a game is challenging without using weak options, then using the weak options just shows a higher level of skill like with Dragon Quest Monsters or Yo-Kai Watch.
@MonkeySharkPro
@MonkeySharkPro 2 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo but what if the player doesn't care about skill and just wants to vibe.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 3 күн бұрын
@@MonkeySharkPro Side quests and side content. Something Yo-Kai Watch has plenty of unlike Pokemon.
@richardhuang7158
@richardhuang7158 Жыл бұрын
It’s pretty obvious that all 500+ fully evolved Pokémon were not meant to be viable. Just like how an ecosystem can only support so many competing species, a metagame can only have so many viable mons, so introducing more pokemon species will inevitably lead to others falling out of favor. Idk what your argument is here, in every game some options will outclass others, and as you add more options older ones will struggle to stay relevant.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yo-Kai Watch 3 has 752 monsters in one game after all its free DLC. The competitive metagame is full of a huge variety of viable teambuilds thanks to a system where monsters are truly specialized and unique from each other. Even without the competitive format, the game is IMMENSE in terms of content and challenge that you can accomplish meaningful things with your favorite monsters. A ton of monsters that are unviable in competitive are SUPER useful for the Busters T roguelike multiplayer online and offline modes. The point I'm making is you can very much have a monster collector game where every monster can be unique and special in its own way and be useful with good game design.
@richardhuang7158
@richardhuang7158 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo In terms of pve, pokemon does kind of have that. For example raticate and butterfree are pretty bad in competitive but are useful in a playthrough because they evolve at an early level. Also HGSS had the pokeathon, where the stat system was different and affected performance in mini-games, allowing some mons that are unviable in competitive to shine. Kinda sucks that it's gone though, I do agree that gamefreak could do better game design. As for competitive, based on what I tried to learn about yo kai watch, you can only use a certain amount of each tier of yokai. I think a fair analogy to this would be mana costs in a game like hearthstone, where stronger cards cost more mana so you need a variety of weak and strong cards that fulfill different roles. The problem is that even among cards of the same mana cost, some are still better than others or there are just op combos. So similarly some S rank yokai would be better than other S rank yokai, or this combination of S and A rank yokai are better than others(correct me if im wrong here). No disrespect to yo kai watch but I find it hard to believe that any game can avoid having options outclass other options. All competitive games will develop metas and to a certain extent that is fine.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@richardhuang7158 You would be correct tho funnily, it tends to be the low Ranks that are actually far more combo heavy and have an easier time teambuilding around especially since their lower power ultimates charge far faster compared to certain high Ranks. You can find a ton of viable teambuilds that are consistent in high ladder that use nothing but monsters that are C Rank or lower not much different in the vein of the Pokemon anime or manga where the protagonist gets rewarded for pouring love into a bunch of early route low tiers and using them creatively.
@whimsnum
@whimsnum Жыл бұрын
I agree with the point of the video (powercreep exists within Pokémon), but I think your argument isn't effective at communicating that. The way you present your evidence makes you seem dishonest with your overall point, even though I don't think you're trying to. For example, lets look at the point in your video where you mention abilities. Abilities like regenerator, unaware, and intimidate function completely differently, and it is extremely reductive to boil them all down to the 'take less damage' category. If it isn't clear how these abilities differ, consider how you are defining 'taking less damage.' In your example you list regenerator, which doesn't reduce damage at all. A Toxapex will take the same damage from an earthquake with or without regenerator. In order to list it under the 'less damage' category, you would have to argue that the healing said Toxapex receives when it switches out is 'taking less damage.' If you don't see the problem with this, let me ask you a question: Does the move recover make you take less damage? Hopefully you see the problem with defining regenerator that way. Intimidate and unaware have similar problems, if your opponent is using non-boosting special attacks do those abilities no longer count as damage reducing abilities? Is unaware also an offensive ability because it ignores your opponent's defensive boosts? All of this is granting the fact that the abilities listed are representative of the majority of abilities, which I wouldn't say it is. Either way, the evidence you provide here is faulty, and therefore doesn't support your point. For another example, lets look at the part where you talk about the Pokémon themselves. In this section you directly contradict yourself. Your claim is that Pokémon like Poliwrath are outclassed by other Pokémon who have the same if not better options. As an example you compare Poliwrath and Floatzal, pointing out how Floatzal has aqua jet. However, you also pointed out how Floatzal doesn't have belly drum, so how is Poliwrath outclassed? Just because a Pokémon is better suited to one task than another Pokémon doesn't make the other outclassed. Even if you take the most 'outclassed' comparison you presented, that being the comparison between Poliwrath and Azumarill, you fail to notice what seperates these Pokémon. Azumarill has a different ability, typing, moves, and stats, which make it clearly distinct from Poliwrath or the other water types you mentioned. In this way, you focus solely on the similarities while ignoring the differences between each Pokémon which causes you to fail to prove how Poliwrath is outclassed, invalidating this point. You contradict yourself in other areas of the video as well. At the beginning of the video you claim that the Pokémon company never cared about competitive, but at the end you say that the Pokémon Company is contradicting itself by saying that every Pokémon is special, despite the competitive scene being unbalanced. Which is it? Does the Pokémon Company care about competitive or not? At the end you ask the following question: "What are the solutions?" To this you bring up no solutions, you throw shade at the Pokémon Company's bad games, and say "Just stop playing Pokémon." That isn't a solution, and I think it shows what you really wanted (maybe unconsciously) to communicate, that people should stop playing Pokémon. Overall, your points are heavily flawed. The examples you've used show how you aren't examining all the evidence and/or viewing this from a neutral perspective, despite how you present your evidence. Your thesis, that Pokémon is unbalanced, is either unproven or rests on the previously mentioned faulty evidence. Your failure to examine the evidence in full, reductive reasoning, and logical contradictions lead me to believe you have a heavy bias against (some aspect of) Pokémon, a bias that prevents your video from succeeding. Hopefully you can understand that these criticisms are meant to help you reevaluate your argument the next time you try a video like this. Let me know what you think!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I'm well aware how Regenerator works. The point is you can pretty always reliably get back to full health to keep on taking hits by switching out so all the damage that was done amounts to nothing. If you don't kill the Toxaped and it just leaves and comes back in, it's like any damage you did to it hardly matters. The point is that the skill is more defensive oriented. Poliwrath is outclassed because instead of needing to use a turn of setup on Belly Drum and pray it outspeeds anything cuz of its bad Speed and cut health, you can just use Floatzel whom can hit harder, is faster with or without the fact of them both being under Swift Swim in the more general sense of both sharing the general role of being a physical attacking offensive Water monster. Completely regardless of the fact Mega Swampert does not get Belly Drum, it is still a Swift Swim user like Poliwrath, with focus on physical attacks like Poliwrath as another example. Poliwrath would have a much easier time competing with all these guys if it at least got Aqua Jet. The problem is that the differences don't actually matter. Poliwrath's Fighting STAB means nothing when Azumarill hits harder with Superpower anywsy for example and being a Fairy just makes Azumarill all the better since ut can use Water and Fighting offense like Poliwrath while being able to come in on more stuff like Dragons or other Fightings or Darks and then threaten them with Fairy STAB for all the same stuff you would get from Poliwrath with a ton of extra benefits that solidify outclassing it. Even without me, the devs are trying to communicate precisely that idea for people to play other games. ORAS had no Battle Frontier because the devs believed people were too busy playing other games or doing other things. The people that MAKE these Pokemon games are communicating that. Like I said, it would be ideal for them to balance the game but as things stand, they likely won't even bother as that was the FIRST possibility I brought up anyway. Also it seems you completely diregarded the point made in text you can keep playing Pokemon and play other games. So no, I am NOT telling others to stop playing Pokemon regardless of how the devs seem to want people to stop playing Pokemon in favor of other games or tasks. Overall, your criticisms seem to contradict themselves and not even consider the simple raw math alone considering the facts and data presented and it's not like I care about success anyway. I make videos mostly for fun so I'm pretty much a casual scrub in YT meta.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I admit, I should probably have included a picture of the quote why they excluded the Battle Frontier. The one where they basically tell their fandom to play other games. That certainly would have supported memy point and solution.
@whimsnum
@whimsnum Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo I've tried to post this comment a couple times, but it's not working. So I'll try to post it it two parts. Let me start by conceding some points. I totally forgot about the text you put on screen, so fair enough on that front. That's really my bad, so you can discard that point. For your point about regenerator, your claim in the video was that it makes you take less damage, correct? If that wasn't your point why did you literally say "...the user takes less damage in some way or another." (Regenerator doesn't lower the damage you take in any way.) Your main point was that the battle system was limited, and you used these abilities as proof that 'good' abilities are actually not that different. Is your argument now that these abilities are restrictive because they can only encourage either defensive or offensive play? Is there even a way to play that isn't offensive or defensive? For your second point about Poliwrath being outclassed, you're literally explaining the differences between these two mons to me. Poliwrath's close combat is actually stronger than Azumarill's superpower, and Azumarill has the better fairy typing, they each have their own unique uses. If I need to OHKO a Melmetal, Poliwrath is the only one who has a (above 6%) chance of doing that. Here's the proof:
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@whimsnum The point is that the damage you do against something with Regenerator is very easily cushioned. You can do 32% of damage to a Toxapex but the next time it switches back in, it's like you never did any damage to it at all lol. Choice Band Azumarill Superpower has a 6% chance to OHKO Melmetal. 25% against some that run HP after Stealth Rock and is a guaranteed 2HKO against AV sets. So yeah. The diffeences don't matterbecauseyou ultimately get the exact same benefits with more benefits on top to leave it easily outclassed. Hence why the overlapping of being able to run a strong physcal Fighting move is one of many examples leaving it outclassed. The similarities are why they are outclassed. The differences are just extra benefits on top of being better.
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 3 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the video but that seems like quite good constructive criticism.
@tk24life
@tk24life Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Karen was likely referring to in-game. While some Pokemon are better than others, you can win in-game with just about any Pokemon, especially in generations 1 and 2. Really, the problem with overlap stems from the expectation of new Pokemon every generation. Pokemon are inevitably going to be left behind.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yeah but it really becomes less meaningful since Pokemon just rewards you for mashing the A button like a dumb monkey and you win as opposed to other games that are hard even if you actually strategize and all the harder if you choose to actively use worse low tier options.
@tk24life
@tk24life Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo I guess the silver lining is we can always do challenge runs like Nuzlockes and solo runs or play rom hacks. And different Pokemon can be good depending on which game we play and how we choose to play.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@tk24life Nuzlocke players have heavily criticized the newer games with how things like enforced EXP share takes away less of their fanmade difficulty all while Game Freak has said "We believe players should get to choose how they play" all while taking away features that allow that. SV has taken away the Shift and Set function meanwhile games like Nexomon and Coromon have intentionally added Nuzlocke and even randomizer features to their games.
@guangdong6805
@guangdong6805 Жыл бұрын
Karen was literally referring to Silver and his team and not making a fourth wall break yeah.
@TheThugnificant
@TheThugnificant Жыл бұрын
@@guangdong6805 They never even met that's just a meme.
@Hozaai
@Hozaai Жыл бұрын
COROMON ON TOP🗣🗣‼
@astralguardian5930
@astralguardian5930 Жыл бұрын
Another thing about Coromon is that while of course having base statlines it's "EV and IV" system is actually far more noticable (With Potents and Perfects being different colors then usual to indicate them being rarer and in the case of battle stronger) and lots more customizable since you can dump those bonus stats wherever *you* want. I know one example during my own playthrough of Coromon there's a Coromon called Bittybolt/Toravolt which has a Trait (basically abilities) called Zealous, which boosts the damage of the skills by 20% but all the moves cost 2 more SP (With SP being a more generalized version of Power Points from Pokemon). So for it I kept buffing up the max SP from those bonus "EVs" until I got it up to plus 26 additional SP in which was the max Coromon allows you to level SP. All I am saying is that Coromon definitely plays the balance of individuality and customizability to a tee, each Coromon has it's own thing on terms of statlines and Traits, but you can choose what you want to do with the other aspect of Coromon training. Like you want to patch up the Def stat of a Low Def Coromon? You can do that! You want to boost SP like I did in the example? You can do that! You want to turn a usually mediocre Speed Coromon to having sizable Speed? You can do that!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Coromon is SUCH A great indie title. Glad I gave it a shot.
@rozepanter007
@rozepanter007 Жыл бұрын
Really shows the effect of power creep. Golem was already a victim of power creep in the generation it got introduced 💀
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
The worst part is that a level evolution is easier to get than a trade evolution plus Rhyhorn comes around the time you get to Cycling Road and Koga, making it easy to invest in. So even for a casual playthrough Rhydon is arguably better.
@HylianWindRider
@HylianWindRider Жыл бұрын
What ruined Golem was the discovery of body slam not being able to paralyze normal types. So I guess it was a case of rby jank.
@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350
@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350 Жыл бұрын
honestly the fact that modern pokemon keeps getting more and more unbalanced with each new release is part of why I stopped playing new pokemon games. they're just not that fun to me anymore.
@andrei4617
@andrei4617 Жыл бұрын
I relate heavy to this comment, idk if its just me but i also hate all these new mechanics they ve added since gen 6 (except megas) just keep pokemon basic game freak no need for these stupid ass gimmicks that are just lame as shit
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
I personally wish you luck
@naejimba
@naejimba Ай бұрын
MANY problems with the balance. The type chart has never been in a good spot, and every time they add a new type to fix balance it causes new problems. Certain types are just better than others. The modifiers for damage calculation often have too much of an impact and stacking them is one of the reasons why offense is always so strong and you see one shots (lol double weakness is 4X modifier which is insane). Having offense be so powerful with stacking modifiers means the things that work as tanks have to be ridiculous to be viable, and there is no value in a "jack of all trades" archetype. This also means when combined with the limited movesets and options prediction is often the extent of strategy during the core gameplay loop of a battle. It's fun to build the team, but it's not like you can adjust strategy in how they are used in real time other than switching them in and out. It simply lacks depth. Another large issue that makes most pokemon unviable is the ridiculous stat spread: you are looking at around 300-600 stopping at pseudo legendaries. That is a difference of having TWICE the amount of stats available. Now, if this was used to inflate the stats of a pokemon that would otherwise be a "jack of all trades" type that is flexible I could see it having value. Instead, it is designed so that many of the pokemon you get later on are more powerful by default. I believe this is to encourage you to try out new team members as you go through your playthrough, but it destroys the idea of most of them being competitively viable. The "gotta catch em all" doesn't matter if the majority of them are hot garbage. Even worse, there is no better way to make something overlap and no longer an option than to just give one of them more stats. Now, you could also use the power of the moves available as a counter balance, but nope! The most powerful pokemon with the best types and stats often have access to the moves with the highest base power as well, and you usually are able to spam those moves. Imagine if you had more move slots but the more powerful moves had turn CDs? There are so many ways not just to balance it, but to make the game EASIER to balance. The whole battle system is a house of cards with power creep thrown on top.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Ай бұрын
So many good points here. I appreciate comments like this.
@chess_fella
@chess_fella Жыл бұрын
I love the Jimothy Cool feature at 0:40!!!!!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Jim is pretty cool.
@galtiscor
@galtiscor Жыл бұрын
wish most pokemon were special like having unique stats, typing and/or movepool instead of being outclassed by the newer gen pokemon.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I would love it if all the Pokemon were more unique so they could fairly say every monster is special in its own way.
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
Powder crepe bad?
@just_a_rebel8261
@just_a_rebel8261 Жыл бұрын
What's fucked up about rhydon and golem is that rhydon isn't even a fully evolved mon 😭
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
"Let's make Rhydon evolve to be even better than Golem!"
@rjante2236
@rjante2236 Ай бұрын
In hindsight, maybe every Pokemon game should have only had new ones.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Ай бұрын
That or just making the new ones and old more unique.
@dubsteppa8339
@dubsteppa8339 Жыл бұрын
The pokedex entry regarding polirath is a fast swimmer is explained by his ability swift swim.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
No reason why he can't have Aqua Jet as well just as Floatzel gets Swft Swim. We all know he ain't good without it anyway lol.
@dubsteppa8339
@dubsteppa8339 Жыл бұрын
@DrCoeloCephalo I mean fair lol in regards to balancing I'll definitely say there isn't any for a singles format of play the last few generations I feel they have been more attentive of the competitive side of the games. In both ease of access and balancing. But even if it's gotten better its definitely not perfect, but they focus only on its official format which is primary doubles.
@biguzivertt
@biguzivertt Жыл бұрын
this guys is really mad that he can’t use pikachu on showdown and get number 1
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I despise Pikachu. Jibanyan is better. And viable lol.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 Жыл бұрын
​@@IntercactusYKW Jibanyan be rockin' the modern-day version of those sweet old-school Monster Rancher vibes with his not sucky alt army. 😼
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
​@@DrCoeloCephaloyo-kai watch good, Pikmin bad 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@robertlupa8273
@robertlupa8273 3 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo the heck is jibanyan
@shadelightss
@shadelightss Жыл бұрын
I dislike what the Pokemon company are doing with their ip but to pose the solution of : just play something else is counterintuitive . Fans want Pokemon to be fixed because it can be fixed - PLA was a step in the right direction. I also don’t see why you’re sourcing the anime as how Pokemon are equal, you could have easily sourced from the games but the anime & games are not only different in “mechanics” but made by different people. Overall the video was good though :D
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
That's not even just MY solution. I probably should have included this in the video in hindsight but even the Pokemon devs design Pokemon around the idea of telling people to play other games hence they excluded the Battle Frontier of ORAS. But yeah, fixing it would be more ideal. I kinda did. I used Karen's quote from the games which would fall under the same philosophy with how casuals misinterpret the quote's context. Thanks!
@RobotPlush
@RobotPlush Жыл бұрын
Commenting as a Pokémon Fan, you’re absolutely right. Like, nothing here is wrong While I genuinely believe giving monsters the same abilities or types isn’t inherently bad, Pokémon is guilty of “doing the same Pokémon again but better” a lot And yeah, they care more about merchandising than making a balanced game
@waluigiisthebest2802
@waluigiisthebest2802 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the Pokémon design are the only thing really good about the series, and the one thing keeping the series alive, besides dumb kids and nostalgia.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Also dumb adults that act like kids by calling you names for criticizing the poor multibillion dollar corporation.
@joshuagonzalez4183
@joshuagonzalez4183 11 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo 👍🏻
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
​@@DrCoeloCephalothe we should straight up demolished the corporation? 🤔
@lordinfernape4753
@lordinfernape4753 23 күн бұрын
Golem has Explosion, and is better in game because u can get it after the 2st badge and its a trade evo which means it can become pretty good early game I dont think RBY Rhydon vs Golem is a great example of overlap
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 23 күн бұрын
@@lordinfernape4753 I personally had more positive experiemces with Rhyhorn cuz by the time you get it, you are surrounded by Poison trainers. Not to mention trade evolves are just bad game design.
@lordinfernape4753
@lordinfernape4753 23 күн бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo yeah, but with Graveler you have stat experience
@kirbattaquesmash5055
@kirbattaquesmash5055 Жыл бұрын
Do you know about persona it has that kind of monster collection aspect
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I have tried Persona 4 for a bit but IX'm more a mainline SMT guy
@kirbattaquesmash5055
@kirbattaquesmash5055 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@RednessDragoonRoast
@RednessDragoonRoast Жыл бұрын
Do you think the 4 move set limitation of pokemon a problem?. I have seen some people defend it, saying that if they have more than 4 moves they would counter everything. I personally think having more than 4 move set could work if they only implement it on lower tier pokemon in order to balance it out.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Alot of games make it so you can carry more than 4 skills but those games are designed with that in mind especially because their elemental charts are more balanced with more fair matchups. Pokemon's elemental chart is extremely lopsided so that if you get enough coverage, you can easily break whatever's put in front of you. In the most recent event, there is the example of Dinosuicune where Water, Fire, Dragon and choice of Tera off a Protosynthesis plus Choice Specs boost just allows it to rip through most potential switchins.
@shadowpheniox343
@shadowpheniox343 10 ай бұрын
The anime preaches everything Pokémon is special and you can bring that out but it the games you play as the jerk who only uses pokemon for their stats
@oven723
@oven723 6 ай бұрын
The absolute DISRESPECT on that garchomp...youll get your due flygon 🥺🙏
@drxavier1870
@drxavier1870 Жыл бұрын
After playing TemTem it really have me a wake up slap to how dull Pokemon games can get, and while they have all the money in the world to be developed. That disgusting game calendar of a new Gen every 3 years probably causes Game Development Morale to be very low. Compared to stuff made by smaller IP's
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
TemTem making a Showdown feature ingame while Pokemon still makes teambuilding grindy
@drxavier1870
@drxavier1870 Жыл бұрын
Also every battle being a double battle in TemTem made me have to use my brain and teambuild like I never have before in Pokemon, I got walled by the final boss and genuinely had to re adjust my team to be centered around luring in certain Tems, preventing them from switching with attacks that inflict Trapped, then K.O'ing them before the effect wore off.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@drxavier1870 "Pokemon lets me mash the A button like a dumb monkey and that's good game design!!! You just don't get it!" "Heh. TemTem strategizing and challenge make brain gears operate!"
@soulblazer2392
@soulblazer2392 Жыл бұрын
"Pokemon and Bad Game Design": Oh you're gonna piss off the pokemon fanboys with this one, especially the competitive players.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I am a competitive player and I say the system sucks. If I was the kind of shallow person that cared about views, videos that are about heavy criticism easily bring in views and the long essay comments they leave help the KZfaq algorithm and give me power lol.
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 Жыл бұрын
Mons can sometimes form a niche, but then you get many cases where a mon has literally nothing over someone else. Thank you for lower tiers, smogon, at least they have a roll to see the light of day. I feel blessed Zone and Mr. Craw at least stay functional...
@CammyMeeleTea
@CammyMeeleTea Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you brought up the most important thing. That PvP was not the main focus. It was built as an RPG. Onix for example is clearly just a first Boss, not a real team member. You hit so many different nails on the head for me with this video. The issue of overlap even happens when looking at options for a single species. Like how Delibird gets Insomnia and Vital Spirit. It's not even funny. Also, Mirage Master was Gen 3 right? Give that guy a Sableye, fairies didn't exist yet, so it has no weakness. Well...except being a Sableye.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I had no idea Delibird had both those for Ability slots until you mentioned it. Goes to show how much of a forgettable low tier it is and how badly it was screwed over. Actually yeah. Sableye was a thing at the time lol. Another lovely anime plot hole.
@a.j7810
@a.j7810 Жыл бұрын
Once I though that could be cool a fangame where pokemon were more specialized , for example giving them just one skill and between 4 and 10 moves (with upgrades) , maybe also in double battles and with decisions like give to most of the tanky mons access to follow me for make more enfasis on the impotance of use different roles. Probably I wont never do it , but still I think that if its well made could be cool
@ericwijaya2119
@ericwijaya2119 Жыл бұрын
How long did it take for a Pokemon fan to dislike, I wonder
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Not long, not that KZfaq would let anyone see it getting outnumbered anyway lol.
@KassandraMangaka
@KassandraMangaka Жыл бұрын
I’ve always just brute forces my way through these games cuz I’m too dumb for the strats. 😅 Indeedee is king!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
You don't need strats if the game thinks you're a dumb baby anyway lol.
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
​@@DrCoeloCephaloso difficult game 4 kidz good?
@felipesilva3732
@felipesilva3732 11 ай бұрын
I'm afraid that I didn't get you right, pls correct me, but the problem is not new pokemon being created. The problem is from the pokemon available (around 300~350 per game) the new ones are way more reliable, strong and have unique traits. I don't blame the devs for making them like this because they are having new ideas and learning new coding methods. The problem being that old pokemon don't get the same treatment and are left with their outdated moves and abilitiesm
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 11 ай бұрын
That is part of it but also the new Pokemon overlap the old ones in the things they want to do. Like how Staraptor is a Normal/Flying with many of the same options as Pidgeot but Staraptor is just better in almost every way.
@GamingTranceSeer
@GamingTranceSeer Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was fun to take out ou teams/boring repetitive pokemon teams with nfe pokemon, gimmicks, my favorites, special pokemon themes but that's just me. If only pokemon did special rules such as only pokemon below 3kg can be used for tourneys. It would at least change up the fights instead of seeing the same exact teams mirroring each other. Could also have all pokemon only have 1 or 2 moves. Trainers are given random pokemon instead of their own. There's so many possibilities.
@xlbthedemigod5662
@xlbthedemigod5662 Жыл бұрын
Pokémon is never balanced to begin with
@xlbthedemigod5662
@xlbthedemigod5662 Жыл бұрын
Even if the Dexcuts, it’s still unbalanced. Hell, the Dexcuts are still stupid to this day and you have people who still d ride Gamefreak for it.
@lordinfernape4753
@lordinfernape4753 Жыл бұрын
My biggest problem is that some Pokemon just dont make sense in their stats, moves, abilities, type others Why is there a Pokemon stronger than Arceus in every stat if Arceus is the god of Pokem9n? Why do legendaries have Pressure (one of the least legendary abilities ever)? It just makes no sense
@Wizard_Lizard_
@Wizard_Lizard_ Жыл бұрын
What Pokémon has more than 120 in every stat?
@lordinfernape4753
@lordinfernape4753 Жыл бұрын
@@Wizard_Lizard_ Well Chansey has more HP than Arceus Cranidos has more Attack than Arceus Leafeon has more Defense than Arceus Frosmoth has more Special Attack than Arceus Dragalge has more Special Defense than Arceus Cyclizar is faster than Arceus Oh and Eternatus Eternamax is better than Arceus in every single stat lol
@nudrattashfia4060
@nudrattashfia4060 Жыл бұрын
You See, The "Arceus" We All Know Isn't Actually The Real Arceus. It's Just One Of The 1000 Hands Of The REAL Arceus. This Was Explained In Legends Arceus.
@lordinfernape4753
@lordinfernape4753 Жыл бұрын
@@nudrattashfia4060 Still, why a fkin Cranidos is more powerful than an Arceus hand?
@victorheliangelo2666
@victorheliangelo2666 Жыл бұрын
Being a competitive monster taming analizer, I would like to see what is your take in competitive temtem, being a game much more similar to pokemon than yokai watch but fixing a lot of the issues that you stated in this video. Great work btw, keep up the good job!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I have TemTem. I have just been way too busy with other things to give it the time it deserves. I appreciate the battle simulation it has ingame so I can try to build when I find a chance.
@TheThugnificant
@TheThugnificant Жыл бұрын
I will continue using Karen to criticize the meta game she was breaking the 4th wall and never even met Silver. So they can take that little meme and shove it.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
It was implied she met Silver because he came back sulking after he lost to the Elite Four. The meta isn't really the fault of the players using what is optimal. It's the fault of Game Freak whom DESIGNS the games for not really making meta more pleasant to play and actually reward variety, creative teambuilding and wanting to win with your favorites. That's kinda why I prefer YKW3 meta because that sentiment is far more realistic.
@jadonteino3438
@jadonteino3438 Жыл бұрын
Although I get what you’re where you’re coming from, I think that although a lot of Pokémon have similar archetypes they have enough niches and specialization to warrant them, like on the thumbnail crawduant has adaptabilty knock off and close combat to break certain walls azumarill can’t touch, and even when a Pokémon is directly powercrept that just means the lower tiers have an option to use
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Azumarill gets BOTH of those moves so the overlap persists. Low tiers are a fanmade band-aid solution. Gonna make a video essay on the band-aid solutions down the road but they are not actually features of the game itself that address the issues of the game. They're the work of fans carrying the weight that the devs don't bother to. You wouldn't NEED low tier formats in the first place if there was more meaningful casual content or a better balanced competitive format to make fewer monsters suck.
@jadonteino3438
@jadonteino3438 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo uuuh… Azumarill doesn’t have close combat in gen 9 nor do I ever remember it getting that, and I specified the adaptability boost because it lets you break toxapex along with crunch, another example is gen 9 OU has 3 separate unaware mons
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@jadonteino3438 Superpower. My mistake. Still the Fighting coverage is there so the point of the overlap stands. Unaware has very low distribution so there's more room for it to allow for specialization as opposed to the VERY long list of Pokemon that get Swift Swim, for example. Not to mention Pokemon like Quagsire and Clefable with such average stat spreads just lean towards how GOOD that Ability is by default so of course monsters with WAY better HP and Defenses like Clodsire, Skeledirge and Dondozo would be able to make such good use of it. The point also still stands that low tier formats are a band-aid solution. The Anything Goes format is what Pokemon's meta is in its ACTUAL state without all these rulings that are just mods that exist on paper and Anything Goes is broken and chaotic.
@jadonteino3438
@jadonteino3438 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo yes unaware and swift swim are great abilities but my point was that they all exist in the same tier and have different strengths and weaknesses, if we look at it purely by defensive BST dondozo should be the only mon being used, even having arguably the best defensive typing, but it lacks recovery outside of rest, meanwhile skeledirge threatens damage and clodsire can apply entry hazards, Pokémon is about picking what niche your team needs rather than performance in a vacuum
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@jadonteino3438 Actually it kinda IS performance in a vaccum. Tiering, like I said earlier, is a bad-aid solution and it very much vacuumizes the entire thing by disallowing certain options that were programmed and designed into the game (though thegame design quality and balance of those options clearly leaves alot to be desired). Unaware is not going to do you a lick of good against OHKO moves like Sheer Cold but those are vacuumed out thanks to Smogon's OHKO clause. Even official VGC vacuumizes it with its long PokeDex based banlists. Even in the most recent format, you previously did not have to worry about the 4 Ruinous Pokemon cuz they vacuumed out but now that they are legal, you have stuff like Fissure plus Stomping Tantrum Ting-Lu being an option much to very vocal criticism. Without that vacuum, you get the Anything Goes format and the Anything Goes format is a joke.
@bananainkproduccion1115
@bananainkproduccion1115 21 күн бұрын
for me we will never get to see pokemon in a serious way in an E sport or decent competition other than the typical VGS or players choise, since RB the combat system was unbalanced and I'm not talking about glitches or bugs, that's another matter. when you build say, a table, you have to make its 4 or more legs work equally well, if you build without a leg no matter how much you want to put glitter and makeup on the other legs or want to put things that are not legs in the place where the missing leg should go. and that's exactly what is happening right now with things like z-moves, dynamax and TC, they are sensationalist additions that want to give a false sense of complexity to a metagame that is no more. today we could say that the leg is half done and the table stands, but someday someone will get tired of eating their soup and you do not know if you can eat it quietly or the damn RGN that does so much harm to the saga will end with your soup on the floor just like unam limps with 3 legs, I know I went a little off the rails with the examples but I think I explained myself well.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 21 күн бұрын
@@bananainkproduccion1115 This is a pretty great analogy.
@roxxxxaas
@roxxxxaas Ай бұрын
In fairness of the Mastermind of Mirage pokemon episode, Seaking couldn't get the lightning rod ability until gen 5
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Ай бұрын
I know that. I have been playing Pokemon since RBY. Hence the "not anymore" part. It is a joke, not a legitimate critique lol.
@chompy_YT
@chompy_YT Жыл бұрын
This is such a great video detailing about Power Creep. I totally agree, every generation it becomes harder and harder to validate every Pokemon as unique and optimal. The recent generations of 8 & 9 especially in my opinion have been the main culprit of Power Creep, like look no further than Calyrex Shadow and Chi-Yu. Gamefreak either A) needs to change up how they go about introducing new mons and balancing or B) fix up past mons and try to somehow bring them up to speed on the formula used now to create monsters. Obviously balancing won't solve anything but it would make the past gen mons super weak and irrelevant and throw away with each power creep in the recent generations. Again, I loved this video and this was such a great analysis of the power creep in Competitive Pokemon!
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the input and feedback! Imagine being a scary demon horned dog but a bug eyed goldfish is better lol.
@chompy_YT
@chompy_YT Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo”The snack that smiles back” is better than a hell dog 😂
@nataliephan562
@nataliephan562 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of great points made here. Nowadays I don't really see myself playing much of the mainstream games and find myself playing on romhacks where pokemon are buffed to have better stats and overall usability. Some even get different types/ abilities that bring them even just a little better. I end up favouring fan changes over the ones game freak makes sometimes as the mainstream games take less and less skill and strategy to defeat the main story.
@theiceman4494
@theiceman4494 Жыл бұрын
From what I've seen a lot of fan made changes are just overkill. I saw a room hack that gave Feraligatr huge power, which is just absurd. Frankly, I'd give most lower end mons minor buffs while nerfing broken ones. Main exception is Ledian though. Poor bug needs a total overhaul
@nataliephan562
@nataliephan562 Жыл бұрын
@@theiceman4494 oh i agree with that. I also scratch my head at some pokemon whose abilities i find too niche for practicality or still lack just an extra squeeze to their stats to make them viable. It happens in plenty of hacks but it is what it is. Drayano does a good job in his buffs and hence i tend to play his roms more
@zonogre3395
@zonogre3395 Жыл бұрын
Hey it would be cool if you could cover "Monster hunter: stories" meta game in the future (there are two stories games btw). It is also a monster collecting game and hase really interesting game mechanics that can get really complicatet. I personally really like the game and throm what I have played it seems pretty balanced, but i would love to hear your opinien about it!
@wackafool4514
@wackafool4514 Жыл бұрын
The MHS games are pretty good I'm ngl. I only played the demo of the first game (tho I'm trying to find an affordable copy of it) and I played and beat the story of the second game
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I love Monster Hunter Stories alot more casually. I wouldn't mind looking into competitive resources and builds tho since that game at least embraces its Rock-Paper-Scissors gameplay functions to build around unlike Pokemon which just boils down to being RPS with extra luck.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 5 ай бұрын
1:18 this concept could work if pokemon allowed for more broken strategies such as all pokemon get access to all moves and the only thing that is changed is STAB formula is designed not only for the typing of the move but the pokemon move types your pokemon is 4 times weak to have attacks they use of that type 4 times weaker but they are still available alternatively have them be lower leveled moves like a steel bug type can't have flame thrower but can have ember. also can have the PP based by pokemon too in a similar fashion if weak the standard of the move pool is halved to a minimum of 8 if strong doubled to a maximum of 64 moves that are too strong no matter the type are unchanged or customized based on the pokemon. IDK just a thought. I think the main issue with pokemon in regards to this is that they try to be themed and yet are themed poorly, they try to be unique and yet have moves everyone else does, they try to be strategic but are missing the best move in their niche, it's also very unhelpful you cannot tell pokemon type by color if you could suicune is ice type and so is pachirisu, also lucario would be psychic instead of steel if smash bros is to be believed. point being It shouldn't be true that out of non legendary non mythical pokemon cacturne and slow king galar are the pokemon I find to have the most customization available in terms of moves and even item utility. I personally feel pokemon should have it's moves like items be availible to all pokemon and the abilities and stats is what carries the unique aspects to be worked around instead of the game punishing you for attempting customization. lastly pokemon please stop making moves that only benefit people who know the game in and out no black belt, make heal on hit moves have a minimum instead of being completely type reliant, and flat out remove moves that require the player know the weight class of the opponent; the pokemon's happiness stat; and their level. please encourage more odd playstyles like evasion, item disruption, move countering, status moves that don't just increase your own stats, even stalling as long as there is counter play. lastly and this is for showdown specifically make it more obvious which moves are physical and special attacks.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 5 ай бұрын
Most other monster collectors and JRPGs will tell you plain as day what your opponent is weak to and are still monumentally harder games. Pokemon doesn't so you often get forced into committing it to memory.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 5 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo (cat why meme)
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 5 ай бұрын
5:53 nature isn't balanced. the teams get auto balanced. that's adaption.
@ManOfUnknownWorth
@ManOfUnknownWorth Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you never mentioned Shin Megami Tensei in this video, given how much Yo-Kai Watch draws from it. Of course, Yo-Kai Watch is pretty much a small niche series outside of Japan whose once-aggressive ubiquity caused fatigue in its domestic market. Pokémon just has a broader appeal and had much better timing. Pokémon stood out at its release time, and all of its competitors are now stuck in its shadow. Tem-Tem may have better gameplay, but it's a homely game whose monster designs pale in comparison to Pokémon's. Digimon had the best chance of being on equal footing with Pokémon, but it failed to so for various reasons.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
SMT also kinda falls under a similar umbrella as DQM with the customizable skill inheritance but the big differemce is both DQM and YKW3 had multiplayer battles that they cared enough to balance and polish while Pokemon's multiplayer battles now have an enforced 20 minute battle timer that everyone despises. Monster design is an extremely subjective and preferential concept on top of how Pokemon preaches against being shallow anyway. There are so few Pokemon I can be bothered to care about due to lacking in personality or animation or just weak trash as opposed to Yo-Kai Watch where there isn't a single monster I can say I dislike thanks to great animation, unique gameplay, a general sense of humor, etc.
@ManOfUnknownWorth
@ManOfUnknownWorth Жыл бұрын
​@@DrCoeloCephalo I'm not excusing how Pokémon is nowadays. I stopped buying the games after Gen VII. I'm just trying to be Devil's Advocate. (I also think that the monster designs from Yu-Gi-Oh and Digimon are underrated.) Pokémon hits a happy medium between customization and characterization for many with its monsters being species with variations, allowing folks to put their own spin on them while maintaining something of an identity. Pokémon also has many well-liked human characters whom folks find appealing (although the hairstyles can be a bit much). The low difficulty and complexity are even pluses for those looking for a relaxed experience. Alternatives simply struggle to build a fraction of Pokémon's brand recognition and loyalty, unfortunately.
@PopEwLair
@PopEwLair 26 күн бұрын
that thumbnail is wild
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 8 ай бұрын
It's only a single player game but how do you feel about combat in min hero?
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 8 ай бұрын
Never heard of that game.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 8 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo it's an old flash game the full name is min hero tower of sages. It's a pokemon ripoff that does 5v5 battles instead of 1v1 x6. if that sounds interesting to you I'd love to see a review of it. I feel the game so underrated.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 7 ай бұрын
does the heart mean you played it?
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 5 ай бұрын
​@@saxeladudeNo, just that I read and understand your comment and appreciate the engagement and feedback.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 5 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo ok cool!
@ferringsylveon219
@ferringsylveon219 4 ай бұрын
I love Basculegion, but yeah hes pretty busted and over powered.
@MrAlice613
@MrAlice613 Жыл бұрын
Pokémon needs to diversify into other game types. Like what they made a gesture towards with Legends Arceus
@zEr-ne5ri
@zEr-ne5ri Жыл бұрын
This video is good but I would like some more vids on yokai watch.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Working on em. I promise.
@atwistedb
@atwistedb Жыл бұрын
Yokai watch sweep!!!
@dinoman6481
@dinoman6481 Жыл бұрын
I had more fun with Digimon Cyber Sleuth on the Switch than the bland Pokémon Lets go
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I hear ya. I just wish Cyber Sleuth had skippable dialogue and cutscenes and a better objective marker. Other than that, it was an incredible game and the branching evolution system was so much fun for me to go down the routes for the monsters I wanted like Chuumon, Sukamon and Etemon.
@dinoman6481
@dinoman6481 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo Oh yeah, the cutscenes were really annoying. But getting to play with my favorites like MetalGreymon, megadramon and Veedramon was so fun.
@leftistdegeneratejs
@leftistdegeneratejs Жыл бұрын
This just reads like that one showdown player who complains about lando T being allowed in ou, or a vgc player saying that all vgc teams look the same
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I have no issue with Landorus T, so no and I ain't the one that coined the phrase "CHALK variants" in terms of VGC Doubles nor is it my fault VGC 2016 top 8 looks the way it does lol.
@leftistdegeneratejs
@leftistdegeneratejs Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo alright but your whole video just smells like a player who doesn’t actually understand competitive Pokémon when all of these takes are so baseline surface level understandings of them. Pokémon isn’t stale in terms of team building and power creep makes a long running game more exciting to play as time goes on, again these are all basic understandings when it comes to game balance
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@leftistdegeneratejs I've studied the Smogon and VGC formats since 2013. Last time I touched Showdown, I breezed through the ladder for a pretty decent streak easily just with Hyper Offense. If anything, my long history with competitive and understanding of it just gives me more room to criticize the game. Your latter point is really just subjective matters of preference. You'll notice among the things that make the new additions more exciting are regional variants that keep up with the power creep. No one is about to complain about the heavily memed on Quagsire which is already viable having another form of a heavily memed on Clodsire also being viable. Nor is anyone going to criticize Alolan Marowak being usable in SM VGC. What they WILL criticize are poor executions of such like Alolan Exeggcutor having a signature move that is physical when its stat spread and options favor it being used as a magic attacker or the more recent and immense disappointment found in Robo Hydreigon.
@hv433
@hv433 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this video is trying to say powercreep is bad, rather than overlap is bad. Overlap is inevitable, especially with 1000 different Pokemon, you are bound to encounter overlap, and ESPECIALLY without making unique moves and abilities for every single one of them. There are also interesting cases for overlap, like how Golem and Rhydon are essentially the same except Rhydon gets a better movepool, while Golem has better availability and Explosion, or how Doduo is flat out better Spearow, except you can get Spearow earlier than Doduo. I also feel that some Pokemon are there not so much for a meta perspective, but just for lore. This is ESPECIALLY prevalent throughout Johto, where you have Pokemon that are there to showcase new mechanics and have zero meta uses, like Yanma, Ledian, and Sunflora. Also, Floatzel is an awful initial comparison to Poliwrath. While yes, we have now defined Poliwrath as a Sweeper, it is not apparent at first glance that Poliwrath is strictly inferior to Floatzel - because Floatzel clearly has worse defensive stats. Feraligatr and Paldean Tauros illustrate power creep on Poliwrath better. Lastly, some Pokemon like Onix, Cranidos, and Miltank are just designed to be "bosses" to overcome in your adventures. They were purposefully designed to be mediocre in metagame usage, but they were tough to overcome with weaker Pokemon.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Speed is more important than bulk in Pokemon. Doesn't matter how frail you arei if you just outspeed and kill whatever is in front of you like Espathra and Chien Pao were able to do.
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
Did you forget to mention that Slaking is so some sort of boss Pokemon? (As said by golden owl)
@hv433
@hv433 7 ай бұрын
@@user-AADZ nah, just wanted to list a few examples, not the whole list. Slaking is definitely a fine example though.
@Squiggles01
@Squiggles01 Жыл бұрын
If there was a Yokai watch on the switch then I would play the shiza out of it! To bad that the only way I could get the game to run would be on an emulator unless they have a digital version for me to use on my switch.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yo-Kai Watch 1, Y-Academy and Yo-Kai Watch 4 ++ are all on Switch. However, they are only in Japanese. Thankfully, the Switch has no region locking so EN Switches can play them fine.
@Squiggles01
@Squiggles01 Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo Well, now all I need to do is get them! And for that I need capital... Oh well, if I have to spend a little more to get them then so be it! Now I just need an Ark from a certain Nekomata.
@Mister-Thirteen
@Mister-Thirteen Ай бұрын
I fell like the honest answer is simple, yet it would require GameFreak to actually get off their ass and attempt something new. *Move away from the turn based RPG formula* Not all the way, but things like EV/IV systems and natures for example. Both these things are holdovers from older games designed with the idea that the player would be unaware of them; creating the illusion of diversity.
@nightwing2032
@nightwing2032 Жыл бұрын
I think as pokemon generations continues on, it will as always add new Pokémon and add to the ever growing Pokémon list since we are already at 1000 Pokémon by gen 9 being out. I’m not sure pokemon will stop adding in new Pokémon. Probably eventually it might have to but with every generation, comes the other things like the merchandise, movies, the cards, the anime, and what not and not just the games that need new Pokémon not just the old Pokémon. Because Pokémon is more then just the games since it is a multi media franchise. Each Pokémon is different by the natures, the moves that each Pokémon gets, the abilities, the ivs, and evs. Certain pokemon fill in different roles like being a all out attacker, a healer, a niche role, being bulky, and more in the competitive scene in pokemon. Certain pokemon have abilities that they really shouldn’t have that either buff or nerf them. Or they take out certain Pokémon abilities like gengar in gen 7. Certain pokemon have low stats then they should or get certain moves them other Pokémon that probably need those certain moves to be good. There’s also gimmicks that pokemon has added over the years that have helped certain pokemon over the years like mega evolution, z moves, tera gimmick in gen 9, the gems in gen 5, and the gimmick in gen 8. I know this has nothing to do with the video but one of the reasons I still play Pokémon is because it’s turn based and that it’s gameplay is simple. Some things like having the special and physical spilt in gen 4 have helped Pokémon’s gameplay. Just like adding natures, double battles, and abilities in gen 3 helped the gameplay of pokemon as well. Or adding in triple battles or rotation battles in gen 5. That’s one of the reasons why I didn’t like Pokémon legends arceus because of the gameplay. The game was fine but the gameplay wasn’t for me and it just wasn’t fun for me. Some Pokémon will just be better then others. Not every Pokémon is going to be good in competitive scene regardless if one of your favorites isn’t one of them or is weak. Some just have low stats or bad abilities. Which is why the tiers exist in the competitive scene. There’s also items as for the competitive scene that people need to consider. As well as pokemon typings that play a role. It’s a bit difficult to balance pokemon with the things you need to consider when gamefreak is making a Pokémon. There’s also a reason why certain are the same in the competitive scene then others. The competitive scene has been getting easier to get into since gen 6 then in the past before generation 6 as the generations continue.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
This ISN'T a strictly competitive thing. These problems STILL extend to casual playthroughs. 6:29 Some monsters are better for playing through story for the exact same reasons that apply to competitive. It's just that accessibility to those monsters just adds another factor. Alakazam is good competitively in RBY. It is also entirely possible to get very early at level 15 if you have the means to ergo invalidating weaker Psychic monsters like Mr. Mime. If you want turn based and simple, I recommend playing Coromon even more if not maybe Dragon Quest Monsters. Tiering in the competitive scene is a band-aid solution put together by fans through the Smogon format i.e. fans picking up slack for bad game design. Gonna make a video addressing tiering and Nuzlockes one day.
@suly5836
@suly5836 Жыл бұрын
Your video does have a valid argument behind it, however I disaggree with some points and examples: 0:41 Amoonguss was ALWAYS a great mon since the start of gen 9 (and a staple of VGC since his debut), it became even more used after chien pao and espathra got banned since those two were direct counters of him. 1:44 I can agree with this but I feel like this example is just flawed, due to the fact that hatterene is eons better than hypno and girafarig, the latest being considered one of the worst pokemon to ever exist. 2:08 Poli doesn't really need priority when he has swift swim, ofc the other pokemon you mentioned are better but not because they have the move, they are just straight up superior. 2:58 Flygon has been a staple of RU for generations, the fact that a pokemon is not in the first two ladders doesn't mean it's weak by itself, just weaker than the top ones, people overhype OU way too much when even players of that ladder get tired of some metas (cof cof gen 8). 4:19 gameplay doesn't equal story, much worse the anime, the main message of every pokemon being unique still makes sense when they fit a niche in their own way, and this doesn't just aply to pokemon, it aplies to any other monster catching game like digimon. 6:08 Being 100% sincere, this entire row of memes feels like it came straight out of /vp/, everyone knows that pachirisu was just a miracle of coinsidences that ended in a hiraliously efficient support mon that marked history in the VGC competitive scene, only a super small amount of people truly believe that it was because pachirisu was as good as the others, even less that use it as an argument for "every mon can be good in competitive", which considering the smogon tierings there *is* a chance for all, but even with that some mons are just so bad they just end even bellow the considered "worst of the worst"
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Even if Hatterene wasn't better, Magic Bounce is still a way better Ability. Probably shouldhave used Xatu to illustrate that. Floatzel also has Swift Swim and is faster and hits harder on top of that. Good game design means flowing the story into the gameplay. Most other monster collectors that aren't Pokemon are better at that like how SMT makes t so your choices matter and it can influence what monsters you fight or recruit. You'd be surprised how many dumb casuals try to use Pachi as an example. Smogon tierings are ultimately a fanmde format from passionate players that care picking up the slack of dev that don't and it has to mod the game through things like Sleep clause just to make it reward actual skill.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 8 ай бұрын
I agree. As I am a person who has played pokemon showdown as my first pokemon game and a rookie to the series as a whole. I can say MAKING A POKEMON COMPETITIVE TEAM SUCKS SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THIS. Sometimes I just want to use my favorite pokemon with out it constantly being outclassed by the top ten of the teirlist. Sure part of that is skill issue but that doesn't change how effective it is at making anything that isn't a legendary feel like trash to play. Making a pokemon team for at least me sucks because I like to create by playstyle but pokemon's customization has too many options in which only of those options is actually effective. So my time feels wasted trying to make a cool concept that face plants because it's too little of everything. I just hate how situational every single playstyle, move, item, pokemon, ability, and stat is. I hate it on the level is to win you need pretty much everything memorized and still out play your opponent cause the game is all about trick the enemy into your win condition like some kind of long winded chess game. I'm just really frustrated about the design of pokemon such wasted potential
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 8 ай бұрын
It's more like a rock-paper-scissors game to get your opponent into your win condition. Chess is a game with board movement and board control with simple pieces like Yo-Kai Watch 3. Pokemon is no such game.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 8 ай бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo hm I didn't know that (the strategy also has rock paper scissors not just the types) as I say I'm a rookie to the series. I though it was like chess in the sense that without near perfect game knowledge one move can make you lose but it takes a long time to do so unless you forfeit. Pokemon having so many options makes it feel daunting to play in a competitive sense since each game has new mechanics added. It's like if you just bought smash ultimate but instead of the characters being famous video game mascots they were just average characters with names like punk rock, little man, and ricky ruckus. Would you even know which character to pick out of 90 options!? Let alone how they play, no you'd have to learn each one individually. And the simpler option is just watch other people play the game first so you get a better idea of it with less frustration of losing and time spent. So you can learn the tips that you may not find otherwise like wolf side b can be aimed or mega man down b has longer duration when the b button is held.
@saxeladude
@saxeladude 5 ай бұрын
I find it funny how I say this and now 2 months later I realize everything I hate about this system in pokemon is part of the design of rivals of aether a game I quite like. cause in that game which if you don't know is a platform fighter but unlike smash bros the strategy revolves around coercing or planning to reach your win condition/advantage instead of in smash where advantage is based off of are you currently in a combo or comboing. in rivals if you don't have your tools set up it's much harder to win as smash attacks are very weak in the game it's better off to use risky and flashy plays for much better rewards. every move has a utility and all characters have so many options even optimized play isn't set in stone.
@jeremiahevans6346
@jeremiahevans6346 Жыл бұрын
Just watched level 5 stream no yokaiwatch but I'm interested in professor layton and the soccer game they shown I'll give it a shot
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Inazuma Eleven is a pretty long series. I'm more interested in seeing Megaton Musashi myself tho this kinda isn't the best place to comment that lol.
@RediteTheGemBoy
@RediteTheGemBoy Жыл бұрын
Poliwrath should get Mach punch and aqua jet
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Yes please.
@Castersvarog
@Castersvarog Жыл бұрын
Better idea, give it Jet Punch.
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
Yeah
@LordDio
@LordDio Жыл бұрын
I feel as though you've slightly misrepresented the competitive scene. It's important to remember that there's 2 camps: The official VGC format and the fan community smogon. Your criticisms of pokemon being outclassed certainly applies to VGC, but smogon's tiering system allows any pokemon to have a niche, and that's because they're always fighting pokemon on their democratically assigned power level
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Smogon is ultimately a fanmade format from people that actually care about the game to pick up slack where the devs fall short such as how laughably awful stat maxing on cartridge Pokemon games are compared to ither monster collectors let alone how easy Showdown makes it. As good as its system is, they practically have to mod the game with special clauses like Sleep Clause and Freeze just to make the system reward actual skill over extra luck factors due to how infamously Sleep ACTUALLY works on cartridge. If you have to mod a game to make playing it more pleasant, that just seems to reinforce how much in need a game is of a rebalance and rework.
@lillywalker8464
@lillywalker8464 Жыл бұрын
You can easily use just the pokemon you like in any playthrough it doesn't apply to competive which I feel is understandable and makes sense
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Again, these things still apply to casual playthroughs. You can very easily get monsters that are much better for clearing certain Gyms or Elites.
@rayyaninspookymonth1630
@rayyaninspookymonth1630 Жыл бұрын
Karen thumbnail 🤨📸
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
Sauce in comments
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
​@DrCoeloCephalo which one 🤨
@penitente3337
@penitente3337 Жыл бұрын
I was playing DQMonsters TW while watching this and seeing DQMonsters recognized as a game with so much customization (or even recognized) made my entire day. Monsters is so fun, I love when I end up making a Dark Slime (monster with passives that increase darkness damage) and give him skillsets that only contain healing abilities because I needed a better healer. If someone wants Pokémon merged with oldschool RPGs, I genuinely reccomend to try those games. They don't have much overlap either, since you can give monsters virtually any moveset you want. However, do keep in mind you may need to use certain methods, since they never release outside of Japan nowadays. Thank you, sir, very cool. As for the video itself, what I like about the sheer number of Pokémon is that it makes casual gameplay really fun. Certain monsters combinations can help you tell a bit of a character's story or personality (Oleana from Sw/Sh is a neat example), and when played with friends in something like Pixelmon, it makes it so everyone can have the mons they like without a care in the world because we don't care about winning every game, just beating the challenges we make for ourselves. However, you're right on the competitive side. Pokémon meta is complete chaos.
@jeremiahevans6346
@jeremiahevans6346 Жыл бұрын
My fave has got to be syborg y a b rank yokai that can turn enemy yokai into syborg y
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
That doesn't really have anything to do with this video but he IS unique in his game compared to other monsters.
@josephbulkin9222
@josephbulkin9222 3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah? Id like to see what you have in mind to fix this so-called problem.
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 3 ай бұрын
Watch till the end.
@nnightkingj
@nnightkingj Жыл бұрын
Most the talk about using Pokémon you like etc isn't talking about competitive just the anime and people like karen the base game where it's possible to use your favorites because it's easy lol
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
It is possible to use your favorites in better games. It just tends to be more of a skill issue. Git gud.
@nnightkingj
@nnightkingj Жыл бұрын
@@DrCoeloCephalo idk if it's a skill issue because some peoples favorites are Pokémon like ledian lol
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
@@nnightkingj Sorry. Let me elaborate. In a better balanced game where low tiers are more viable and the game is far more challenging, then using your favorites to get through the story becomes way more of a skill issue like with Dragon Quest Monsters or Yo-Kai Watch as opposed to Pokemon where the need for skill is null because the game is so easy.
@user-AADZ
@user-AADZ 7 ай бұрын
Game balance good capitalism bad 😳
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo 7 ай бұрын
Yo-Kai Watch 2 outsold Pokemon ORAS in Japan an used that opportunity to make a better balanced game in Yo-Kai Watch 3, so not quite lol.
@yatogami0073
@yatogami0073 Жыл бұрын
Skill issue
@DrCoeloCephalo
@DrCoeloCephalo Жыл бұрын
I breezed through ladder with Hyper Offense with little brainpower last I touched Showdown lol.
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