Yeah I agree but I never got platinum and DP were still great games. I think the main reason they didn't make a Z was because they knew it wasn't good so why fix it.

We're already two generations after this and I am still sad and upset about that. I wanted this freaking Z and I loved the Kalos region!

Them not making Z was a huge mistake. I agree that Plat and Emerald were much better and refined editions of their gens. But even without them DP and SR were strong enough to stand on their own. XY was not. Even if they couldn't fix everything they could have done more and also made more money. A missed opportunity. Also going to gen 7 with the ultra games. To me those felt like cash grabs. Not enough new/changed content to justify TWO "definitive" games.

@@MrSupersonic2012 I agree, Z shouldve been made to fix those things that were wrong with XY. The Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon games were completely misleading. They made it seem like it was going to be like B2W2 in which the entire game would be different. They made two different versions similarly to B2W2 and the legendaries on the cover were fusions exactly like B2W2. Also they haven't made a 3rd version of a Pokemon game in about 10 years making me think that trend died. Even if we put the misleading thing aside. This definitive set of games felt worse in some ways compared to the original. The story was worse (Lusamine and Nihilego was way more interesting) and they removed the whole looker ultra beast missions. I actually prefer fighting the mysterious necrozma in ten carrot hill than what they did in USUM. Necrozma was overly done with gimmicks it ruined what I liked about it from the first set of games. Also necrozma having a catch rate of a caterpie should never be the case even if you fought it as a boss battle before. Catching the legendary should always be the final battle. That's my opinion anyway.

Facts

if not, the best

@smb85 dkc94 like b2 w2

Yeah, both the anime and the manga were better at handling Gen 6 than the games did

Xy and Diamond and Pearl are the best pokemon seasons so far

Miles Sharpe your profile picture is literally Serena

eshop: am I a joke to you?

Amazon for the win

Taking off the plastic wrapping on the game was harder than the game itself.

Have you ever hear of target? Nobody ever buys games when new pokemon games comes out tbh

Sock Team no physical copies

I wouldn't say great per say, but I hope it does get improved upon when the remake/sequel gets made

@James TH Yes, the region looked so beautiful. I definetly want more!

Zygarde was wasted too

James TH honestly though the story is really intriguing and rly underrated

@@jacobmorales2451 yeah it would be great idea the kalos war was actually against galar

Pixel Pudding it would've been awesome to get one!

Itll come out with x and y remakes in 2050

It also has different stats

And with gen 8 that floette finally got removed from the game's data

It hasn't been 3000 years. Or 3000 days since XY's release.

I'm still waiting for that Azure Flute.

GF: she is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

i have her :p

Gen 8 did the same and yeah, that ain't bad at all

@@kwayke9 gen 8 literally has none lmao, it's a joke of a post game

Especially when we consider the next generation GOSHDARNIT ALOLA WE GET IT LEGENDARIES EXIST

It would be if it had been traded by quality, but it didn't

@@Xman34washere is it bad that i haven't played Sun and Moon even though i bought the steel case edition for Moon? The game had such backlash that i just can't brave my way through all the hand holdy stuff they throw at you

Yes the only other Pokemon game XY beats in terms of postgame is the original RBY and that was at a time postgames weren't really a thing.

Dude chill

Meh, I disagree. There's nothing inherent about that. Some games have very simple objectives.

Practically BEGGING you to use surf

Indeed, they deserved those extra mons from Emerald ;(

Goner Kid THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I DID

Do you mean just the first tate and liza fight

And also removing Manectric from Wattson's team

evil team wasn't bad pandering didn't affect it much and how did the 'altering' of locations mess up anything?

Am I the only person that doesn't like Mega Evolutions?

Trigun Vash yes

JJ C I despise them, they broke the metagame if you ask me

No mention of character customization?

that's not really the same honestly and that was when they were makign the 3d models and developing x and y

Yeah i can see a hard mode where the trainers taking advantage of every thing they can, imagine an opponent thunderwaving half your team or going for a sweep lol

Same , I would have never gotten into the Pokémon games if x and y were really hard

Same me and my older brother started pokemon in the kalos in 2014

@@Kage57 just curious, how old were you (and the others in the thread if they see this) when these games came out? It's interesting to see ppl who started with the 3ds generation when I can still remember when gen4 was new and I'm only in my early 20s lol

@@MagillanicaLouM I was 7 when I first got Pokémon y lol every year after that I got the new Pokémon games and some of the older ones

*laughs in 800*

@@LucasMBoysOurRoy *Cackles in 999:59 competitive training*

I had like over 600 in x before my data got corrupted

Here a I have 999:59😂

Honestly tho! Gen 6 is the only generation I actually spent time after I beat them. Most of the other gens I beat the championship and I call it a day. Like maybe it’s just me but Pokémon never had a good post game in my opinion. They typically only had like a few small features and that was it.

So with you

You're probably not the only one. Though, I still dislike X & Y. Everything from it's terrible story & worst villians of all time to the horrendous pacing of it's gameplay, forgettable region exploration, forgettable characters, broken battle systems no thanks to Mega Evolution & the difficultly being way too easy ( even without the Exp. Share ), this is definitely my least favorite gen.

You are not alone. I’m straight up obsessed with it.

JJ C “worst villains of all time” *yeah cause Chairman Rose is totally great and amazing*

Doggy. He's not really an villian.

Bruno Linares I am going to be completely honest, that newbie boom you mentioned, I was part of it since my “first” Pokémon game was Pokémon Black running on an R4, and due to the R4’s problem with “breaking” when you buy them, I couldn’t finish Black and X was my first time finishing the game all the way. I was truly upset that it was mainly easy. I played Pokémon Black when I was 10 and it was so/so hard. When I went to X when I was 15, I though it was much easier since I could have figure out things better, but the game was much easier in general and I saw how much easy it was when I bought a copy of Pokémon Black, and a legit copy this time, and played it. The fact that Game Freak thinks kids are “not good at handling difficult games” is absolute nonsense. There is literally kids that are amazing at harder video games and the fact that Game Freak doesn’t see that is just sad. Also, I really want to get into competitive Pokémon battling, but as I got older, I have never got the grasp of it due to time.

@@MrOfflineAlways One of the reasons I think XY was made to be an entry for newer players was its lower difficulty. And it must have worked, that game sold inmensely well and I regularly hear comments like: wow I remember XY, my first Pokemon game (I began with Pokemon Gold). I do agree with the difficulty being poorly implemented. Sweet lord, even turning off the exp share and ignoring the other OP toys the game brings you, it's still a pretty easy experience with how bad the npc teams are designed...

Forgot to mention, "an entry with lower difficulty for newer players". Pokemon (despite being my fav franchise) is already an entry for RPGS in general, and so all games are easy. So an even easier entry just sounded like a bad idea...

Don’t forget the PSS. It made battling randoms so much easier

Honestly, I expected the grade to be lower like a D+

Yeah that would've been way better, that story was cool. Especially since Diantha isn't doing anything about team flare, girl let the damn second in command in her e4 lol (love Malva though).

Yesss, someone said it!

@@MagillanicaLouM do champions even get to decide who's in the elite4?

glad to hear you got back into it!

Huh Gen 6 was when I got back into the franchise. BW1 was when I gave up

Phil 21 Exactly, man! I considered stop playing pokemon after BW. Thanks god XY came to bring me back to pokemons games. Gen V was disgusting.

Pedro Monteiro if you think Gen 6 is better than Gen 5, then I'm sorry to tell you that you have terrible taste.

Phil 21 Your crazy man. Gen 5 was a lot better. Best story, content and postgame. How can you even hate it? Because there is no Bulbasaur, Charmander or Squirtle?

Thelivelysnivy They're good, but they could be considered a downgrade from Emerald. Except in the music department, everything sounds fantastic on ORAS.

Am I the only person that actually likes the remake of Gen. 3 more than the original?

@@jjc4924 No you're not I prefer Oras over the originals to.

I agree.

At least we got a better Ruby and Sapphire known as Pokemon Alpha Sapphire

Segun. True.

Gen 6 was a huge disappointment, I used to love this game as a kid, but after replaying through it and slowly going through kalos and button mashing my way through an unbearable amount of dialogue from the worst “Rivals” I now hate the kalos region. But I can say that the new games after are even better, and I see the franchise making a huge comeback not only with the new dlc (which I think is an interesting turn of events and I can’t wait) but also with the diamond and pearl remakes that will probably come out next year (it makes sense because 15th anniversary). So although Pokémon has changed radically from these two games, I can see the franchise skyrocket high again. This franchise will always be something special no matter what happens.

Cullen Bloodstone Seeing so much hate for gen 6 brings tears to my eyes 😭 Tears of joy! I can’t even get started on how these games absolutely ruined Pokémon for me. When I bought them I was so excited and then I played for a few hours and something just seemed off. The models didn’t look too good, the fact that I was just getting all these free Pokémon, those stupid bland “rivals,” I didn’t even get to the second gym and I knew something was wrong. I put the game down for a couple weeks, went back to my heartgold, black, pearl and realized how much better and how much more heart those games felt. To this day I haven’t finished the game and have zero intention, but I’ve clocked hundreds of hours on my gen 4 and gen 5 games to this day. These games truly deserve hate because of how trash they really are !!

yeah it's pretty sad to say the least

@JPRPokeTrainer98 I second that.

SwSh is a similar case, it just depends on if the story actually matters this time unlike x and y, but even then no national dex does not make the game worth 60$

Yes he is a gen oner

Who is?

The guy who made this review

@@themarmot8943 Watch his Gen 1 review

Chaos Lesbian I liked the remixes for ORAS and Zinnia's theme. But X and Y have the most forgettable soundtrack for me. That gym leader theme is easily the worst in the series.

Ifrit101 how dare you the music is perfection

I prefer rse’s music over ORAS especially songs like rustburro but x and y’s soundtrack was AMAZING

Facts. X andY’s gym theme is horrible compared to BW/2’s

mujiha That’s because bw2 had a gimmick with the music and we can agree that both generations had good music

Yeah. I agree.

true.

not every legendary has a legend

The legendary trio brids dont have any legends about them

Neither does Latias & Latios.

Heatran : yes I have legend Wait I don't?

What do you mean?

Yes but Diathia from Gen 6 is way far better as a Pokemon Champion then Leon from Gen 8 is in Pokemon Sword and Shield!

@@oliviamiller1388 she might be a bit better as a concept but she is laughably easy to beat unless you don't ever use Exp Share. Leon can actually be (sadly almost the only) tought opponent (unless you consume too much Exp Candies, of course)

agree to that!

Everything is better than sun and moon

Lilcavi At least Sun and Moon weren't easier than buying the games themself

DapperDavid only ultra sun and moon were challenging

At least Sun and Moon had an better story.

landon taylor That’s not an uncommon opinion tho

I’m not surprised

Yeah I mean Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are by far my least favourite Pokémon games alongside Let’s Go Pikachu and Let’s Go Eevee.

Where are you heading now furret?

To the original hoenn region

@Mr. Man it's not even a skeleton budget thats the issue its lack of time. Their not giving themselves enough time to finish it, and no matter what they say or do these games are not worth 60$ with no national dex that's less for more

Probably because they scrapped it.

Not really underrated. That goes to Firered and Leafgreen.

How it is underrated? It's the best selling 3DS game and one of the most popular Pokemon games, along with Red, Blue & Yellow, Gold, Silver & Crystal and Sword & Shield.

@@KKHell who’s joe

What about the original RSE? I never played the original so I'm wondering if it's any better.

Andrew Harris They aren’t my favourite games in the series but I enjoyed them much better than Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, granted since you played the remakes first, i doubt you will find the originals better just due to natural bias.

@@kpbevan_904 I didn't enjoy ORAS really. I thought the legendaries were lazily slapped around the region in wormholes and regigigas was terribly executed... The evil team was cool and so was the E4 and region though. It was ok but I always had issues with it...

Am I the only person that actually prefer Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire over Ruby, Sapphire & Emerald?

@@kpbevan_904 I mean many people fidn the originals better due to natural bias so...yeah

Keep sleeping on it, maybe it'll go away

Mathew Ricafrente you don’t have to play it

It doesn’t have much so of course people don’t care for it.

Z- Reggie it’s a fun adventure full of charm, without the expectation, the preconceived idea about what should be in a Pokémon game (like post game content and a better story) I imagine most people would have loved these games Those expectations have caused us to create a bar....a line....that if a game does not meet this bar then it is bad It’s a narrow minded way of looking at things, we lose sight and appreciation of everything a game has to offer because we are so preoccupied with what it does not... It’s like going to Disney land and having your favourite ride closed down....there is still so much to enjoy about Disney land however to some people they don’t have the ability to appreciate everything else or anything else and now Disney land sucks because space mountain is closed down Plenty to appreciate in most things we just have to choose for ourselves wether we want to focus on being happy or focus on being negative We have far more power in the control of wether or not we enjoy a game than we realize It takes an internal change of character to go from focusing on he negative to focusing on the positive (not artificially in your mind I mean ACTUAL appreciation...tangible enjoyment) You can eat a good meal with a great dessert at a restaurant....but the next time you go there you order the same meal and it’s good but then you find out they don’t have the dessert anymore and so you’re disappointed and dissatisfied ....the experience is now “bad” for you even though for another person who didn’t care if there was dessert or not....they would think the meal was really good! They enjoy and appreciate the food they got instead of focusing on something they didn’t get And it just takes a change in a person’s heart and mind from negative to positive, apparently it’s a completely foreign concept and action to people...they don’t know how to let go of the negative and enjoy what they can for the sake of their own happiness When I see Avengers Endgame....do I let the fact that Tony Stark just casually solves time travel one evening? Or the weird science behind all the time travel stuff? No. Why would I purposefully make my experience of something worse? Well a lot of people do this....but it’s not purposefully....the are not setting their intentions or controlling their emotions proactively before hand.... I used to be like this....and so I very much disliked Gen 5 and Gen 6 when they first came out....:I was negative and complained and didn’t get enjoyment out of the game....but after some personal work and revelations I understood the state of spirit and mind I had when I was a child....that I would pretty much enjoy anything you threw at me....give me a ball and I could spend hours of fun....give me a new Pokémon game and I don’t care what it is I’m going on a fun adventure! And so I revisited Gen 5 and Gen 6 back in 2016 and had a completely different experience with the games when I just opened my heart and mind, setting my emotional and mental intention to enjoy the games regardless of what I thought I “knew” before .....regardless of my previous thoughts and opinions If I was never open to changing myself I would have never grown to love these games and I would be missing out on a lovely addition to my life. I couldve stuck with the opinion that I hated those games and the Pokémon sucked now and it as too linear etc....and most people stick to their previous mindsets and opinions for life. Never changing or growing. It was only until I changed myself, was I capable of appreciating these games and all the things they have to offer .... The things that I had previously been BLIND to... if you understand me At the time if you were to tell me those games were good I would’ve argued until I was blue.....nothing would change my mind.....but after being able to see a bigger picture .....and the other side of my own personal growth I now have more knowledge, understanding and perspective than I did back then And so I know what it’s like to be where you are now and I know trying to change your opinion isn’t going to work so I’m talking to you because I want to let you know I used to be like you, until I changed my own inner workings and now I would never go back....because after seeing good where you never saw it before....why would you ever want to erase that? If you played X and Y as a child how would you have felt about it then...is a good way to reorient yourself And if you can’t or don’t want to, that’s fine, but if you’ve never been to the other side you can’t really tell someone that there isn’t another side

Yeah I get what you mean, the only thing is I loved Gen 6 as a kid and as I’ve gotten older I just didn’t like it as much anymore. I even replayed it recently trying to get that feel I had when I was a kid but I just couldn’t even looking past it’s flaws didn’t help me. I don’t hate Gen 6 but I can’t say I love it either. My standards for a good Pokémon game are basic it needs to have a good story, interesting Pokémon( well interesting to me at least), and a rival I can really hate and enjoy beating. In my opinion XY didn’t do that for me, also I’m indifferent when it comes to ORAS they were just there no hate no love. XY were decent games Imo, my love for the games when I was 11 compared to now has just fade a bit. My favorite Pokémon is Black and Gen 5 gets tons of hate I just have a bias towards it. I do apologize if I sound like an ignorant child I really just made that comment to see what would happen. Also thank you my eyes were opened a bit I will try loving Pokémon games more, and not judge them based on what I hear about them or things youtubers point out.

Gen 3, 4 and 5 are my favorite gens, kalos didn't have anything to do after story really, the best games in my opinion seem to have more of an extensive post game and growing up with that it kinda trains the mind to think the main story is only half the journey, platinum and white 2 had plenty of stuff to do after beating the main story, i personally enjoy going and hunting more pokemon and filling out as much pokedex as i can and training up pokes for the battle frontier, the post game in kalos to me was underwhelming, there was no "grandness" to it like it felt in emerald or platinum, it kinda felt like an after thought of the developers, i enjoyed what i did with x but all there is left to do is shiny hunt in friend safari and that definitely not as fun as what platinum or b/w 2 has to offer

DG 2 any particular reason you prefer ORAS over Emerald?

Will Mau Well ORAS does have better music, Megas, more pokemon, and is more easy to come by than Emerald. I prefer Emerald, but there's nothing wrong with preferring ORAS.

Ifrit101 I’m just genuinely curious, I’m not implying that OP’s wrong to like ORAS more. Could also be younger and not been playing when Gen 3 was new.

Am I the only person that prefer ORAS over Emerald?

Shoot. Not an remake. But an enhanced version more accurately. It desperately needed an enhanced version.

I totally agree, I play since Yellow and the best community online was during Gen 6! Gen 3 and 4 was the time when we all believed in mysterious occurances and Gen 5 altough it was good was quite silent. I remember ORAS battles on YT and participating myself when YT was flooded with great channels and people.

Regarding the lacking story and cohesion, I'll just quote: "You had kings, wars, Pokémon, giant weapons of masss destruction and fanservice for nostalgiafags. How the f*ck can you screw up with that formula?!"

Gen 8 will certainly be better because they aren't putting every Pokemon in, which was a main priority in X and Y and let to a somewhat rushed development cycle (at least from what I can tell)

Mathew Ricafrente “lack of new Pokémon” Gen 7 Sun & Moon had exactly that too. “dreadful music” Wtf? Boi I gotta stop you right there. X&Y easily had some of the best soundtrack in the entire Pokémon franchise, and the gym leader theme was the only bad one. “boring region” Disagreed. Alola was a boring region. Kalos was based off of France and Lumiose City (being based off of Paris, France) is the largest city in the Pokémon world to date. “boring character designs” Maybe some of them were. But I liked most of the character designs.

I agree with most of your points, but I completely disagree with the "Pokémon who didn't need a mega" bit. The only broken Pokémon who received a mega was blaziken (for fanservice reasons); other strong Pokémon who had the same treatment were garchomp and tyranitar, but their megas were never relevant (M-Garchomp was in fact worse than regular Garchomp). Every other Pokémon with a mega needed that mega to compete.

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like Mega Evolutions.

actually mega evolutions, Gigantamax and regional variants count as new Pokémon

I want all of the Gym Leaders and Elite 4 to have a Mega Evolution. Even Viola, been the first Gym Leader, could have a Mega Beedrill since you can get Beedrill at level 10. Diantha was done dirty. Not only was she completely wasted in the main story but the creators didn't bother to make her a real challenge as a Champion. On paper, her team's pretty good. In practice, they fucked it up because neither Gardevoir nor Aurorus know Hyper Voice, which takes advantage of Pixilate and Refrigerate respectively, and Tyrantrum had Head Smash despite not having Rock Head. Also, Goodra rightfully belonged to Drasna. Give Diantha Blissey with Seismic Toss, Counter and Toxic for a stronger defensive core while Gourgiest handles physical attackers with Will-O-Wisp. Save Goodra for rematches where she replaces Tyrantrum and Aurorus with Goodra and Eelektross respectively. Then we'd have real Champion material.

@@KKHell Thanks for attacking my character over a neutral comment, without a rebuttal, random internet person. I hope it helps you sleep well at night.

didn't cost everything I didn't mind gettiong a legendary mid story felt weird yet cool wasn't that op

@@Jdudec367 I didn't say it was OP. I said I wanted to do it later, at my own leisure. You can't even knock it out and come back later like other legendaries.

@@tyranitararmaldo true you didn't say It was op and zi heard what else you said

I never played any Pokemon games after Gen. 5. So am I missing anything?

@@jjc4924 only seeing pokemon from gen 5-onwards in 3D. And Sun/Moon has a good plot (but it just does not involve your character). Other than that, you are missing nothing.

I'm probably the minority out there that thinks the Battle Frontier is overrated.

@@jjc4924 lol ppl probably like Emerald more also cause of the added locations, harder game in general, gym leader rematches, no handholding and etc

Segun. Maybe. But I don't see any appeal to it. I don't know. There's something about it that is really tedious to do & it's just an one big area and going to building & building for more battle. It doesn't add any offer to this reward.