I agree with you 100 percent tell that to the Polaris engineers who just came out with a 850 turbo for the trails that puts out like 180 hp.🙉 I love power to but its totally out of control! Definitely not needed for any type of trail riding. Good luck to the inexperienced riders who buy one trying to keep it out of the tree's.

Lower insurance and fuel cost w the 650

@@riverrunner4958 more than that 187 hp stock for the turbo . 850 dyno non turbo is 172 174 ish hp look on you tube . I beat all my buddies 850 xrs pretty good . I Have 850 xcr136 fast stock skidoos are 165 .

​@@JeffCarsboatsatvs Try racing a 2000 srx 700 triple!! A few mods and it kills everything except my buddy 300 hp yamaha chipped, bigger turbo injectors, exhaust... I was doing about 120 he was doing about 140 mph!! One day!!

you know It! Aside from my hot pipe issue I deal with day in and day out but power drop and RPM drop like that is absolutely belt

Yea up in that MPH all sleds take a while to get a coupele xtra MPH

The assaults are faster then a short track! Period end of story. The angle of the track from the rails make It have no drag. I believe what you said all day long. My buddies Assault with a 1.6 track eats me up and spits me out all day long

all things equal the 850 is faster at all times. It has more power everywhere and virtually the same weight(6lbs) heavier.

@@nealcichanowicz5041 I’m sure you’re correct but a lot of riding on trail is way different than a drag race. There can be whole trails or long stretches were you ride in a speed zone with a small window of low and high speed. Basically in the pocket and top end doesn’t come into play. Even acceleration advantage can be greatly reduced. It depends on how wide the trails are in combination with how sharp the turns average with the length of the straight always. I’ve gone back and forth owning 6 and 8 hundreds as have friends, there can be little difference until the real big straight section comes up.

@@mobilewintercamp7515 exactly, from what I have heard from the 0 to 50 mile an hour trails it’s really hard to tell the difference between the two motors but once you’re doing above 51 one is noticeably faster.

tight trails comes down to rider level not HP or CC. I would take my 850 any day because when I need or want the power its there. But no you wouldnt notice much of a difference in tight trails between them.

@@JESSEJAMES322 that’s so true!

David i agree but when you change the belt and go do 3 full length pulls and the problem goes away. It’s the belt. Did It ever pull. Changed belt. Never did It again

@@JESSEJAMES322 my problem was intermittent. I even changed a belt and thought it was ok. Keep an eye on it, I wouldn’t want you to have the same experience as I had. BTW Great content Jesse.

yea that I can see. Mine was all the time and getting worse. I knew I only get about 700 miles to a belt but wanted to test It for sure this year!

Belt wear is inevitable. im sure it might help but it will still wear

@@JESSEJAMES322 trust me I know I drag race on the asphalt the 911 cover has been proven 1 of the adjustability’s is belt to sheave clearance you’d tighten it up when the belt starts losing width from the wear on it

I shim my clutch with the belt wear also. just have to pull the clutch apart and shim It instead of a quick adjust

No snow anywhere else

Getting there today like I said earlier in the week. Eveyone had to work

Great sled no doubt about that!

As I said there are a ton of different factors k to “top speed” this day on the lake best I saw was 102. In perfect conditions I’ve seen 112. Same set up same sled. I do not know about the 659’s

My voyageur 650 has been up to 97mph so far. Didnt take long to get there but didnt hold it long to try for faster either

my sled would eat his up. thats not a MPH sled

99% of the people need 550 fan sleds but thats a whole other topic of convo!

the gas theory is BS. fuel consumption is based on how haevy your thumb is. and honestky if youre on a 650 and riding with an 850 with someone who rides the same I bet the 650 will use more fuel because its working harder to keep the speeds. weve tested It before.

@@JESSEJAMES322 We have tested it to. 9 out of 10 fillups the 650 does at least 20% better on gas.

I believe that! the 1.25 is a fast track with minimal drag!

It was great. This video the sled was 100% stock though!

no 145 is not hot. i think light comes on 175. My sled runs 98-110. If im on a dry road i might see 130. i would not be worried about 145

My 650 Matrix studded run 130 and no stud 650 Matrix runs 140. All good temps

My 850 actually runs the best at 150 +😂It must be the mapping but if it's under 190 it's not overheating 👍👍

so heres what i always tell everyone in regards to the 650/850 decision. You may not need the 850 power but it is nice to have the power on tap ata ny given time. I would say 850. As far as tracks i ran the 1.5 for 2 years. super great track. Good bite in the deeper stuff but it killed to much MPH for me up top but if youre not looking for peak MPH then its a great track!

@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you

No doubt about that!

yes C&A XCS's with 8 inch Woodys Maverick bars

they are off BUT if thats the only thing you base your speed off then It is constant!

as stated many factors go into top speed. this day I saw 102 but this was NOT good top speed conditions. 112 is best ive seen this year

@@JESSEJAMES322 that's a good top speed.....

Always the first! Love It

@@JESSEJAMES322 I am not a Stalker. I'm just a Pennsylvania Kid that loves Snowmobiling!! (Kid) I'm 41

not sure how your 650 is beating 850's. we did that race last year and the 650's werent even in the ballpark. so that would make me think there is something wrong with that 850. 650 boost doesnt make much sense. they have the 850 for that spot.

@@JESSEJAMES322 ya cause i was ahead by a sled and half and we all had er pinned so not sure even if the shop did something to the 650 the day i pick it up in 2021 but ya i figure id have the take off then he would just blow passed me but no not even, so i was really surprised cause ya that shouldn't of happened lol but did!! and yes i seen your video and re watched it cause of this happening lol big fan love the info always too :)

appreciate that! Thank you! ride as much as you can! come back tomorrow for a very cool and interactive video!!!

My man!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

Yes they hold their own for sure!

@@JESSEJAMES322 The smaller sleds almost always enjoy a traction advantage off the line as its almost impossible to launch 170 hp without blowing the track. Gives them the edge (and sometimes even a holeshot) to 50 or 60. Do a roll on with traction on good hard snow at any speed and its a whole new ball game, wave bye bye to the 850.

that was a pre broke in new belt. so was broken in then put as a new spare

ha. ok. keep going by that and lets the seasons pass you as youre doing 30 mph all year

That's crazy excessive for break in, first tank put a little oil in it, vary throttle don't keep it pinned. Once ecu is out of break in you are good to go. Run ethanol free 91 and enjoy your season.

@@JESSEJAMES322 i live in Alaska my winter seasons last longer then where your from of course i wouldnt go 30mph all winter long im at 200 miles on my 650 patriot 137 adventure an theres no snow to sucks

nope right there

Yessir thats me!!

Never said they wouldn’t but they weren’t part of the conversation!!

Only on a lake. Bring it trail riding...you'll see my tail light.

I'm one of the older sledders out there and there is no replacement for the feel and short bursts of power two strokes have!! Sometimes between corners your holding the throttle wide open for seconds than back on,a sidewinder wouldn't have even known what happened in those 10 seconds 😂😂😂

I have run 3 different 850s all stock.2021 XCR 128”, 1.35 Cobra, lightly studded; a 2022 XC SwitchBack 146”, no studs, 1.35, and 2022 XCR 136”, 1.25 IR, no studs. They all seem to win the lake race over everything else by pulling everyone low to MID and by the first 70-80 yards you’re alone and still pulling and the “faster” top end sleds never catch up down the lake as they are beat with separation on the way up, especially in he MIDrange. Same results every time.