Just got out of break in on my 650, I noticed the difference, picked up a few hundred RPM and when it did I thought something was wrong at first LOL. Suspected the 650 would hold its own below the top end, but surprised to see it was this close... not sorry I stuck with the 650. Beyond racing, can't see why a trail sled would ever need more power.
@riverrunner49582 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100 percent tell that to the Polaris engineers who just came out with a 850 turbo for the trails that puts out like 180 hp.🙉 I love power to but its totally out of control! Definitely not needed for any type of trail riding. Good luck to the inexperienced riders who buy one trying to keep it out of the tree's.
@maxmartz46652 жыл бұрын
Lower insurance and fuel cost w the 650
@JeffCarsboatsatvs2 жыл бұрын
@@riverrunner4958 more than that 187 hp stock for the turbo . 850 dyno non turbo is 172 174 ish hp look on you tube . I beat all my buddies 850 xrs pretty good . I Have 850 xcr136 fast stock skidoos are 165 .
@simonbenn53406 ай бұрын
@@JeffCarsboatsatvs Try racing a 2000 srx 700 triple!! A few mods and it kills everything except my buddy 300 hp yamaha chipped, bigger turbo injectors, exhaust... I was doing about 120 he was doing about 140 mph!! One day!!
@lennstang2 жыл бұрын
RPM and power fade is caused exactly by what Jessie describes in this video...a worn belt. Every sled I've owned does this. Once I start experiencing this, I change belts. I never seem to get more than 1000-1200 miles out of a belt. If you're into going fast consistently, change your belt!
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
you know It! Aside from my hot pipe issue I deal with day in and day out but power drop and RPM drop like that is absolutely belt
@IceLogger2 жыл бұрын
I cracked 100 on my VR1 650 137” with ice ripper 1.25. It pulled to 97, then took about 5 seconds to hit a hundo. It was perfect conditions, no wind, big wide flat hard pack groomed trail. I would of liked to give it another 20 seconds, but ran out of trail.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Yea up in that MPH all sleds take a while to get a coupele xtra MPH
@wfenas44942 жыл бұрын
You guys should add an assault to the group for chassis variety.. My 19 Assault 850 pulled a sledlength on my buddys' 21 VR1 850 (that has 5 more HP) and held it till I let off. Top speed on flat trail 114 in the recall. (190 pics, no track spin)
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
The assaults are faster then a short track! Period end of story. The angle of the track from the rails make It have no drag. I believe what you said all day long. My buddies Assault with a 1.6 track eats me up and spits me out all day long
@mobilewintercamp75152 жыл бұрын
Here’s something to think about. If your friends are fairly equivalent in skill to you, how does the 650 stack up to your 850 on trails? I’m figuring that on 90 % plus of situations it doesn’t matter who’s in front, no one is easily spanking anyone else with just motor power. Some trails are fast enough that top end can get the edge on smaller HP sleds but I’m wondering if they both pull downstairs close enough that equal riders are mostly matched up on a majority of a days ride. What do you think?
@nealcichanowicz50412 жыл бұрын
all things equal the 850 is faster at all times. It has more power everywhere and virtually the same weight(6lbs) heavier.
@mobilewintercamp75152 жыл бұрын
@@nealcichanowicz5041 I’m sure you’re correct but a lot of riding on trail is way different than a drag race. There can be whole trails or long stretches were you ride in a speed zone with a small window of low and high speed. Basically in the pocket and top end doesn’t come into play. Even acceleration advantage can be greatly reduced. It depends on how wide the trails are in combination with how sharp the turns average with the length of the straight always. I’ve gone back and forth owning 6 and 8 hundreds as have friends, there can be little difference until the real big straight section comes up.
@djg10282 жыл бұрын
@@mobilewintercamp7515 exactly, from what I have heard from the 0 to 50 mile an hour trails it’s really hard to tell the difference between the two motors but once you’re doing above 51 one is noticeably faster.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
tight trails comes down to rider level not HP or CC. I would take my 850 any day because when I need or want the power its there. But no you wouldnt notice much of a difference in tight trails between them.
@djg10282 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 that’s so true!
@davidcottrell15672 жыл бұрын
Jesse, I don’t think a worn belt with cause the sled to loss 700 RPM. A couple years ago I had an intermittent RPM problems on my 2017 800 Assault and it was caused by the exhaust valves sticking. I ultimately had the exhaust valve cable break and the exhaust valves also broke. I suggest you pull the valves an give the cable and exhaust valves a good inspection.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
David i agree but when you change the belt and go do 3 full length pulls and the problem goes away. It’s the belt. Did It ever pull. Changed belt. Never did It again
@davidcottrell15672 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 my problem was intermittent. I even changed a belt and thought it was ok. Keep an eye on it, I wouldn’t want you to have the same experience as I had. BTW Great content Jesse.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
yea that I can see. Mine was all the time and getting worse. I knew I only get about 700 miles to a belt but wanted to test It for sure this year!
@gabrielrace35322 жыл бұрын
To fix that belt wear issue you can buy a 911 clutch cover from thunder products clutching in cedarville Michigan all the adjustment you’d need to help with belt wear and performance
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Belt wear is inevitable. im sure it might help but it will still wear
@gabrielrace35322 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 trust me I know I drag race on the asphalt the 911 cover has been proven 1 of the adjustability’s is belt to sheave clearance you’d tighten it up when the belt starts losing width from the wear on it
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
I shim my clutch with the belt wear also. just have to pull the clutch apart and shim It instead of a quick adjust
@bigmurph14472 жыл бұрын
You make it to the hill yet. We come home today. I couldn't beleave the people out today. It was busy up there all week. Great trails.
@justinfranks21032 жыл бұрын
No snow anywhere else
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Getting there today like I said earlier in the week. Eveyone had to work
@lukkar692 жыл бұрын
I love my 650 on the trail
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Great sled no doubt about that!
@jag69rider2 жыл бұрын
What are the top speeds on 650 & 850 ?
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
As I said there are a ton of different factors k to “top speed” this day on the lake best I saw was 102. In perfect conditions I’ve seen 112. Same set up same sled. I do not know about the 659’s
@brandon-tz6bu Жыл бұрын
My voyageur 650 has been up to 97mph so far. Didnt take long to get there but didnt hold it long to try for faster either
@edwardabrahamiii37422 жыл бұрын
For me break in wouldnt be till 1,000 miles is when i finally would WOT i prob wouldnt pass half throttle till like 500 to 800 miles let every component break in smoothly till 1000 miles
@andrewgrenickojr11442 жыл бұрын
i'ld love to see how your 850 does against joeys lynx?
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
my sled would eat his up. thats not a MPH sled
@riverrunner49582 жыл бұрын
Not even close I watched the STV drag race like they say no replacement for displacement. On take off for a few feet the 650 is there but once 850 looks up it's gone. But the 650 is a sweet trail sled and all people really need if your honest with your self.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
99% of the people need 550 fan sleds but thats a whole other topic of convo!
@jjgebarowski2 жыл бұрын
The 650 is made to offer a base level to upgrade and pay Polaris $1200 to buy the 850. The 650 & 850 cost Polaris the exact same amount to produce. Polaris does not want you buying the 650 EVER. Unless you're in the mountains, buy the 650, save the money and gasoline.... You're almost never in a situation where the 850 is ever needed. You're paying the money and losing the fuel economy for a sticker on the side of the sled.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
the gas theory is BS. fuel consumption is based on how haevy your thumb is. and honestky if youre on a 650 and riding with an 850 with someone who rides the same I bet the 650 will use more fuel because its working harder to keep the speeds. weve tested It before.
@jjgebarowski2 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 We have tested it to. 9 out of 10 fillups the 650 does at least 20% better on gas.
@maxballot9072 жыл бұрын
See 109 on my 650 137” 1.25 ice ripper track
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
I believe that! the 1.25 is a fast track with minimal drag!
@tractorpowerkaelin24002 жыл бұрын
What do you think about your clutch kit? Did it make a difference?
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
It was great. This video the sled was 100% stock though!
@traemiller95612 жыл бұрын
Great video, I currently ride a 850 matryx and its amazing, my question is what is the average operating temp? I got to 145 and decided to put scratchers on, my temp light didn't come on but should have I've been worried about 145? The scratchers really brought the temps down to 110 , any thoughts are appreciated
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
no 145 is not hot. i think light comes on 175. My sled runs 98-110. If im on a dry road i might see 130. i would not be worried about 145
@maxmartz46652 жыл бұрын
My 650 Matrix studded run 130 and no stud 650 Matrix runs 140. All good temps
@youareright54312 жыл бұрын
My 850 actually runs the best at 150 +😂It must be the mapping but if it's under 190 it's not overheating 👍👍
@lobbyrobby Жыл бұрын
I haven't rode in a long time. It never snows up here anymore. If it does this year I'm thinking about a xc. However I can't decide between 650 or 850. Most riding would be ditch banging. I don't need a 850 but it's like the man card saying "more power" to me. Any impressions on the storm 150 track for my riding conditions? I do like to play in the deeper stuff too (if that ever happens again).
@JESSEJAMES322 Жыл бұрын
so heres what i always tell everyone in regards to the 650/850 decision. You may not need the 850 power but it is nice to have the power on tap ata ny given time. I would say 850. As far as tracks i ran the 1.5 for 2 years. super great track. Good bite in the deeper stuff but it killed to much MPH for me up top but if youre not looking for peak MPH then its a great track!
@lobbyrobby Жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you
@nwmi4932 жыл бұрын
the 650 may be "small" but she's mighty.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
No doubt about that!
@adammack47722 жыл бұрын
Curious are you running the c and a xcs on this sled, and if so what carbides do you run and size
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
yes C&A XCS's with 8 inch Woodys Maverick bars
@dgross83412 жыл бұрын
Idk how accurate the speedos are had my pro s 600 hit 100 mph on the lake perfect conditions didn't stay there but seen a 100 I was like hell ya!!!
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
they are off BUT if thats the only thing you base your speed off then It is constant!
@Keith630602 жыл бұрын
Nice one 🙂...what was top speed ...I have seen 108
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
as stated many factors go into top speed. this day I saw 102 but this was NOT good top speed conditions. 112 is best ive seen this year
@Keith630602 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 that's a good top speed.....
@darrellfolk52842 жыл бұрын
Get it
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Always the first! Love It
@darrellfolk52842 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 I am not a Stalker. I'm just a Pennsylvania Kid that loves Snowmobiling!! (Kid) I'm 41
@hungrypigsfarm2959 Жыл бұрын
I'm always gonna stick with a 650 personally it's just as fun has almost the same hps as the 850 and i'd love to have a 650 turbo or boost plus i beat my cousins 850 2022 xcr and was just a sled behind my buddys new turbo mach 1 ski doo so crazy to think some 650s are fast asf also they had studs on their tracks i had none and i didnt even wanna race it was awesome kinda made my day lol
@JESSEJAMES322 Жыл бұрын
not sure how your 650 is beating 850's. we did that race last year and the 650's werent even in the ballpark. so that would make me think there is something wrong with that 850. 650 boost doesnt make much sense. they have the 850 for that spot.
@hungrypigsfarm2959 Жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 ya cause i was ahead by a sled and half and we all had er pinned so not sure even if the shop did something to the 650 the day i pick it up in 2021 but ya i figure id have the take off then he would just blow passed me but no not even, so i was really surprised cause ya that shouldn't of happened lol but did!! and yes i seen your video and re watched it cause of this happening lol big fan love the info always too :)
@JESSEJAMES322 Жыл бұрын
appreciate that! Thank you! ride as much as you can! come back tomorrow for a very cool and interactive video!!!
@UpstateBlake2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed buddy🤘🏻❄️🔥
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
My man!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
@edwardabrahamiii37422 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt be lining up my sled with no 1 till 1k miles
@BCJ3712 жыл бұрын
650 held with them pretty well until the top end which is my experience too.
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Yes they hold their own for sure!
@flyin427ford2 жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 The smaller sleds almost always enjoy a traction advantage off the line as its almost impossible to launch 170 hp without blowing the track. Gives them the edge (and sometimes even a holeshot) to 50 or 60. Do a roll on with traction on good hard snow at any speed and its a whole new ball game, wave bye bye to the 850.
@mnjikaning1 Жыл бұрын
Going full throttle on a new belt for that long is a recipe for blowing the belt;/
@JESSEJAMES322 Жыл бұрын
that was a pre broke in new belt. so was broken in then put as a new spare
@edwardabrahamiii37422 жыл бұрын
For me break in is averaging 30mph no faster then 50mph till 1000 miles is what im tryn say
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
ha. ok. keep going by that and lets the seasons pass you as youre doing 30 mph all year
@LiamG903 Жыл бұрын
That's crazy excessive for break in, first tank put a little oil in it, vary throttle don't keep it pinned. Once ecu is out of break in you are good to go. Run ethanol free 91 and enjoy your season.
@edwardabrahamiii3742 Жыл бұрын
@@JESSEJAMES322 i live in Alaska my winter seasons last longer then where your from of course i wouldnt go 30mph all winter long im at 200 miles on my 650 patriot 137 adventure an theres no snow to sucks
@andrewgrenickojr11442 жыл бұрын
those 650's weren't far behind
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
nope right there
@JoePayne692 жыл бұрын
No boost, is that you?!
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Yessir thats me!!
@powderhound0332 жыл бұрын
Sidewinder would run down the 850! Lol
@JESSEJAMES3222 жыл бұрын
Never said they wouldn’t but they weren’t part of the conversation!!
@lennstang2 жыл бұрын
Only on a lake. Bring it trail riding...you'll see my tail light.
@youareright54312 жыл бұрын
I'm one of the older sledders out there and there is no replacement for the feel and short bursts of power two strokes have!! Sometimes between corners your holding the throttle wide open for seconds than back on,a sidewinder wouldn't have even known what happened in those 10 seconds 😂😂😂
@kevinlivermore11122 жыл бұрын
I have run 3 different 850s all stock.2021 XCR 128”, 1.35 Cobra, lightly studded; a 2022 XC SwitchBack 146”, no studs, 1.35, and 2022 XCR 136”, 1.25 IR, no studs. They all seem to win the lake race over everything else by pulling everyone low to MID and by the first 70-80 yards you’re alone and still pulling and the “faster” top end sleds never catch up down the lake as they are beat with separation on the way up, especially in he MIDrange. Same results every time.