pretty sure it’s the only one as well.

your video made me listen to Hadestown in the first place, thank you so much for introducing me to it, it's been one of those rare pieces of media that keeps on giving.

I Love the fact my two favourite KZfaqrs are watching each other's videos

I KNEW you were going to be here!

Make Frying Dory! wait...

Holy shit. And how has its impact been on you?

I saw Hades Town at the Barre Labor Hall. It was an amazing moment in time. My friends from Langdon Street making great art together.

@@drartemisa21 well, my dad wasn’t wrong

Had to be 2006. I saw her in June 2005, before she was introduced to Ani. And again in February 2006, on the fateful night in Buffalo in a small, storied, bohemian dive bar / music club, where Ani was there to hear her. And the rest, as they say, is history.

2005??? Man she's worked on it all her life 😭

I'd always wondered who was the hand model for that poster.

NO WAY ITS THEIR HAND OMG Its gonna be so iconic like rocky horror lips

This rings “my sister’s cousin’s step-mother’s best friend from 3rd grade’s dog sitter is totes dated the lead” vibes. Not being a jerk, just silly 😂 Being the model for art that will forever touch the world is seriously an incredible gift !

There are different tellings and variations of the myth, usually to be used to serve another message. Like the story of Medusa, Hades and Persephone, etc

Yup, and he also doesn't fail because of some moral failing on his part in the old versions and isn't exactly punished for what he tried to do. The story of Sisyphus is about the hubris of thinking he could avoid death and live for ever and he was punished for it by having to push a rock up a hill for eternity. Orpheus on the other hand does it all to bring the love of his life back to life. A relatable motive, but it's asking for the impossible, and that's why he fails. The message of the story there is, that no matter how much you miss your dead loved ones, you can't bring them back, any attempt is doomed to fail, even if you go into the underworld itself for it. It gives some comfort in knowing that you're not alone in your grief, that many like Orpheus have felt that way before, and that's normal. It's just the way life is. I always loved the story because it's just plain brutally honest. From my memory I think this one (and maybe the story of Prometheus from the same book) may have been one of the first I ever heard that wouldn't insist that everything will always turn out with a happy ending, that you can achieve anything you set your mind to, etc. Even back then as a child I could understand that's not really how life works and I was really glad to see a story that acknowledges that.

I feel like it really depends on the particular portrayal of the myth. Some versions seem to make it more about pride...not usually hubris, but that Orpheus' belief in his talents is so strong that it almost seems boastful. I've never really seen it shown as Orpheus challenging Hades, though I've seen it as Hades presenting a challenge to Orpheus before. Usually, it's that Orpheus must make Hades weep to earn the chance to get Eurydice back, or something similar, though sometimes it's just that Persephone is the one moved by the tale and tells him to let them go, or any number of variants, before Hades proposes that Orpheus must lead her out without looking. That said, most interpretations I've seen don't have the ending portrayed as Orpheus losing faith in his bargain with Hades, but are even more tragic because they are the inevitable hand of Fate at play. Eurydice's fate was to die, and that couldn't truly be undone, so in the versions I've always read, it was that he stepped out of the Underworld and turned back to offer a hand to help her out of the cavern, but because *both* of them weren't out of the Underworld, he lost her to death once more. I've also never seen a version that *didn't* have him torn limb-from-limb by rampaging Maenads who were angry that the musician wouldn't play for them, but that's another story. Also, it strikes me as weird considering that hubris is normally the purview of humanity, and most often Orpheus is a minor demigod or even perhaps a minor god (his mother is almost always one of the Muses, typically Calliope, and in some versions his father is Apollo), and thus shouldn't fall under the trope.

The only hubris I could think of was him doubting a gods word. By turning out of fear that he’d been tricked because he couldn’t hear her steps behind him he basically called the god a liar. And if a god is a lying what is the point of checking will you go to him and force him to honor the agreement? Do you believe yourself to have the power to call a god a liar to his face.

@@SirConto The story that for me was Echo and Narcissus. From the first time I read it (when I was 8), I understood it completely. At one point I included it in my storytelling shows, but it was emotionally draining for me.

oh hey jordan lol

I just got chills thinking about it.

I just discovered it last night and I can't stop playing it on loop

Saw it and planned to listen, but this recommendation had bumped it up - thanks!

LET OTHERS RIIIIIISE TO TAKE OUR PLACE

He also helped inspire some revolution in Hadestown. He helped people realise that building a wall to protect building the wall was not freedom and they were being used by Hades, who had all of the real power.

nah, i'd win

That movie was actually my introduction to the myth

After a rough Thanksgiving, this gave me a laugh.

@@kgrimes4934 Dude, listen to this; is a couple of spaniards that makes songs and videos about the Gods ( put subs and laugh) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZiHZs2X28C5ZKs.html

@@kgrimes4934 thank you

Not just women

*AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS intensifies*

That sucks, I was supposed to see Green Day but then every thing went to hell :( here’s hope’n that you get to see the show :)

HmmmmmMmmmmm

Don’t ask where brother don’t ask when

mmMMMMM

It was hard times...

"Why do we build the wall? We build the wall to keep us free, that's why we build the wall, we build the wall to keep us free."

Nice to see Olly Stans here

H. Szymanski "The enemy is Poverty!"

Except for the blatant misuse of the word myself. In a video about the importance and significance of words.

@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n words are important. Grammar is a game.

@@Ergoperidot Yes, one only adults can play. Go home little boy.

@@BariumCobaltNitrog3n language is not a rigid game overseen by a referee; english is a hodgepodge of words borrowed from five other languages, with new ones invented and hoping to join the common parlance whenever it catches someone's whimsy. A single mild grammatical mistake that doesn't entirely obscure his message isn't a grand sweeping mistake worthy of such patronizing scorn, my dude. It's youtube. Deep breaths, bruh, the very structure of the english language will survive, it's lasted through much harsher storms than this single grammatical error in a video essay.

@@oohwow2787 Quite the bloated effort defending a mistake.

I also highly recommend checking out the Off Broadway recording from NYTW! It's a live recording so it has amazing energy, and the characterizations of both Orpheus and Hermes are quite different from the Broadway version (though in my opinion just as interesting if not more!)

@@dancinislivin828 Thanks for the recommendation! I will definitely do that!

A lot of great musicians are featured in the album, and the arrangements are so cool, but the musical has some veracity to it that I sometimes find overwhelming Edit: I really dig Hadestown, in case it wasn't clear

I am still amazed at the prescience of “the wall” metaphor. Reminds me of the proto-Nazi slogan that Munich was the “Ordnungszelle” (individual cell of order amongst chaos) of Germany.

Lol shiver and cry 🤧

I’m very happy I scrolled all the way down here to see this 😄. It’s a shame the Decemberists are not so recognized on KZfaq.