Porsche 911 GT3 vs BMW M4 CSL: Track Battle! | 4K
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Күн бұрынWe haven't seen the CSL badge in 20 years, but can BMW's latest offering stack up against Porsche's GT3 variant of the 911? Rory Reid and Alex Kersten put the cars head to head and find out.
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@ludda42 Жыл бұрын
The GT3 with a manual might be the best car on sale
@user-qn6yt3zx3w Жыл бұрын
@@MT-kx2uc same car, sans wing…
@user-qn6yt3zx3w Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought 911’s look too ordinary, but that GT3 just looks epic.
@WoTjolly Жыл бұрын
They're meant to look ordinary and they're perfect as they are
@ronin120 Жыл бұрын
@@WoTjolly agreed! 75 years of perfecting that timeless look.
@gerardmcmillan8591 Жыл бұрын
And it is absolutely beautiful!
@khetheloshabangu8291 Жыл бұрын
No way Rory is comfortable with his seatbelt like that but the car makes you forget that 😅
@GurinderSingh-uh6tv Жыл бұрын
I was thinking same , that would drive me mad
@chunbaouk Жыл бұрын
Loving these Alex/Rory track battles!
@StevenYanni Жыл бұрын
I love that you were on the top gear test track. This should be the top gear we have now. Maybe with Chris as well
@skillz1855 Жыл бұрын
Easy decision. GT3!!!!
@JulianZwemer Жыл бұрын
Very easy indeed! PORSCHE all day ❤❤
@henzo7087 Жыл бұрын
BMW anyday over VW
@jameswillard1 Жыл бұрын
There isn’t actually a decision to make here…….one is a garish looking, heavy as hell car that has zero finesse compared to the benchmark GT3
@zzhughesd Жыл бұрын
Yeh. Shocking. Shocked. Should I be. Not really. Did expect BM be closer. It got mullered
@mred1341 Жыл бұрын
@@henzo7087 You’ll know one day if you ever own one, I understand it might be out of your league and that’s why you settle for a bmw, trust me I know
@Marc-nc9yv Жыл бұрын
I feel for you guys, always cold and raining. So hard to do track car reviews. Great job
@stefanocofresi3225 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Coming from car throttle I love to see Alex on the channel. Fills the whole in my heart.
@davidbillberg2203 Жыл бұрын
33 seconds ago let's goooo.... I'll take the Porsche.
@V3LOCITY__ Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbai4708I mean it doesn’t 😂 cheapest 992 GT3 is 189k. Cheapest M4 CSL 140k
@vr5lover Жыл бұрын
@Patrick Bai 280k?? You literally buy 3rs for 250k
@sesvid Жыл бұрын
Power/torque vs weight is one thing. But don't forget to consider aero drag, which the GT3 has more of it. This may be the main reason for the M4 being able to catch up with the GT3 on higher straightline speeds.
@gerardmcmillan8591 Жыл бұрын
It is the same with Turbo S vs the GT3.
@WayApp Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking us along on this incredible adventure. Looking forward to more exciting content in the future!
@skullft7731 Жыл бұрын
This was the video I was waiting for! Awesome! 👍
@muhammadzailani7313 Жыл бұрын
That track 😢. So much memories.
@Under_Construction100 Жыл бұрын
Bro 😢😢😢
@QeeQee1 Жыл бұрын
M4 CSL in US marker now is $300,000 which is completely ludicrous!
@chiragnegi6276 Жыл бұрын
300 grand for that design and mediocre hrsprs
@rdab700 Жыл бұрын
It's a collectible that's why.
@QeeQee1 Жыл бұрын
@@rdab700 No collectible was ever a collectable at inception! Is a chaotic market deluged with new money!
@rdab700 Жыл бұрын
@@QeeQee1 It's a limited edition CSL car. The CSL tag has a pedigree behind it. So yes a car can become a collectible from inception.
@mred1341 Жыл бұрын
@@rdab700 right lol
@r.r.421 Жыл бұрын
Everything I see a video of these duo, I just like it first and then watch it…they are that good
@denizzsengul Жыл бұрын
Nice vid, love the chemistry between rory and alex as well
@OkulSmoK Жыл бұрын
Great test! Can't remember any gen of GT3 losing duel, maybe except of 991 to 458 speciale. But to me it's always been Porsche.
@jean-pierred1094 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the GT3 is the better car but it costs twice as much in the US in today’s market. Not a really fair comparison. The 911 carrera GTS is the one to compare it to. Also I would love to see you guys test on dry roads for once…
@mightymallet5474 Жыл бұрын
someone commented that the CSL costs 300 grand 🤡
@jean-pierred1094 Жыл бұрын
@@mightymallet5474 $145,000 in the US with the optional paint. $140,000 without.
@roberttranceedm Жыл бұрын
AutoTrader is addictive! I love it!
@mhlengidlamini994 Жыл бұрын
An absolute banger. Well done guys.
@fisalalmannai2754 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’m here just to see more of the gt3
@pandagrill5874 Жыл бұрын
Auto trader’s got the best presenters…. I’m definitely getting both of these machines cuz I need both a tamed and untamed Rottweiler 😂😂
@BrendanEvan Жыл бұрын
As long as you could actually get either of these I think the weight alone makes it an easy choice for me! GT3! But I’ve never driven the BMW so who knows for sure
@christophernissen6932 Жыл бұрын
I know most reviewers put these two against each other, I don't believe it should be.
@nimish2073 Жыл бұрын
I am not sure who is gonna buy CSL over freaking GT3
@henzo7087 Жыл бұрын
BMW over VW beetle anyday
@HITthegymwithjkhman Жыл бұрын
ℹ agreed with nimish
@DDGB08 Жыл бұрын
Great review
@MOTOMAD555 Жыл бұрын
Great review! Shame the UK press M4 CSL does not have the proper CSL seats in it. They make a difference (Once set up for you) and are far better than the Porsche "918" buckets, in my opinion (I own both). I don't think anybody would buy a CSL instead of a GT3, I have love how completely different they are to drive. The GT3 disappears around you, and it feels like you're flying along the road, whereas the CSL demands constant thought, mainly managing traction and speed, as on the road it's a LOT faster than the GT3 in real situations like 40 mph out of a tight corner into a short straight where the GT3 will hit 80 mph and the CSL is at 95 mph. Overtaking is more effortless with all the torque and less likely to offend people in the CSL as it is very quiet. The GT3 is much easier on its tires, I took my CSL on track (Thruxton) on worn Cup 2 R's, and it shredded the rears to the canvass in 7 laps, but wow, what a fun seven laps!
@Fastmetro 5 ай бұрын
Excellent honest owner view, thank you.
@quanbaldwin3610 Жыл бұрын
perfect video guys
Жыл бұрын
Great video.
@Paul-ue8tn Жыл бұрын
Porsche are on top of the game in recent years. They just feel like they were designed from the outset to be a sports car, as opposed to a multi platform car that was designed to take the family to the zoo, supermarket, commuting etc as comfortably and cheaply as possible, but with sports car components and performance added to it.
@FrilansPhilip Жыл бұрын
You 2 are a perfect "Top Tube" version!!
@JohnWilson-tc2rh Жыл бұрын
Love these 2
@slickidrich490 Жыл бұрын
Get these back on the track on a dry day.
@keithronson2624 Жыл бұрын
The Rory and Alex 'bromance' continues! Brilliant! Alex.... ''he didn't turn up that day''... and review of the BMW CSL is incredible. All or bloody nothing.... Still take the BMW simply as it will become a future classic. Cheers guys! More please!
@thomasferrarojr.9772 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@solar5286 Жыл бұрын
great comparison, but you could buy two CSLs for the current market price of a 992 GT3. I think this needs to be addressed, as for $140k US there aren't really many better cars that you can actually buy at that price.
@mspeed2441 Жыл бұрын
Great review. This may be a comparison of cars, but it certainly is not a comparison of pricing. CSL: $130,000, GT3 spec’s like the BMW? $220,000.
@roadreg1820 Жыл бұрын
You’ll pay nearly 200 for a GT3.. that’s if you can get one. People are paying almost double list for them. Not the M4 CSL. Also, the CSL is a limited run.
@HURundSoehneAG Жыл бұрын
@@roadreg1820 This sounds pretty particular to the US. In Switzerland, the M4 CSL costs around 244,000 USD fully speced (list price) and the GT3 starts with a base price of 239,000 USD (list price), and yes you can find brand new GT3s at list price at dealers. The US is treated amazingly with list prices for German cars. They literally get all German cars cheaper than the German Market themselves. Just as a reference, the list price for the GT3 even in Germany is 211,000 USD. For even more reference, the starting price of a Turbo S in Germany is 269,000 USD while in the US the starting price is just 216,000 USD.
@kaousmouloud7381 Жыл бұрын
Easy to choose between the two 💙
@Pkari 11 ай бұрын
Auto Trader the new Top Gear? ;) Somehow with these 2 guys you have managed to bring a spark that has been missing from most review channels and even shows like TG
@1991julez Жыл бұрын
Clever edit there Autotrader to hide the GT3 leaving the tarmac @8:31 Even so, GT3 all day long. No question
@grabir01 Жыл бұрын
Which one generates the most error codes.
@Gaming_kids699 Жыл бұрын
I am just impressed that we can now talk about a bmw and a porsche as real competitors, well done bmw for pushing a normal road car to GT3 standards I would go with the bmw just for its sheer driving pleasure and most importantly ITS A LIMITED ADDITION it may be expensive but compared to the GT3 it has better value for money
@benm.3994 Жыл бұрын
Hah the CSL is nowhere even close to the GT3. Limited or not, good luck with getting a GT3. And on the track the CSL will only see the rear end of the GT3 - and not for long
@user-qn6yt3zx3w Жыл бұрын
I thought M3 vs GT3 was an age old grudge match. M3’s typically punch beyond their weight and 911’s from the 1996-2008 era were similarly priced in the used car market (thanks to all the m96/m97 engine issues).
@henzo7087 Жыл бұрын
@@benm.3994 Bullshit
@AutoalexCars Жыл бұрын
I actually had to throw my knickers in the bin after this shoot - ruined.
@AutoTraderTV Жыл бұрын
Look closely… there appears to be toilet tissue in the 911 door pocket 😅
@pmr01 Жыл бұрын
How you gonna explain that to your husband hahaha
@Under_Construction100 Жыл бұрын
This track has just made me realise how much i miss The 3 Wisemen.
@doca8792 9 ай бұрын
I went head to head in my f80 m3 against a 991 gt3rs today. He got me off the line, then I started to reel him in, over and over again.
@37rmstrong Жыл бұрын
... staring at the twisted seatbelt... ಠ_ʖಠ I would not complain about either of these. But one can't beat Porsches flat six. What a beautiful sound.
@SuperLC1010 11 ай бұрын
M3 (csl) that's the upgraded lightweight version, so not standard m3. Why use the normal standard GT3 and not the GT3 RS so it's based on race/track/driving performance?
@AutoTraderTV 11 ай бұрын
Price.
@nicholaswoodward8191 Жыл бұрын
Bit of a knife to a gunfight moment!
@ronin120 Жыл бұрын
The Shark Blue of the Porsche is just gorgeous.
@silv3rArrow Жыл бұрын
In the wet I wonder if you notice any difference between the CSL and a Competition
@rallymosm3331 Жыл бұрын
Good Channel
@Elkott Жыл бұрын
That short bloke is pretty good at this car thing 😉
@YoRAHeem Жыл бұрын
Again…fairly certain the M4 is not in Sport+ Mode. Can tell by stance. Not even unleashing its potential. It’s capped.
@YoRAHeem Жыл бұрын
Yeah! He’s not running it in Sport+ or M1 Dynamic mode.
@trifectaCA Жыл бұрын
The blue one won’t depreciate half as much
@scottw7895 Жыл бұрын
Oh look, another rainy day car review from the UK...
@schallrauch1187 Жыл бұрын
both cars are reference in its class. The sportscar is more expensiv...for a few thousand Dollars you can get a serial kit to catch exclusivly with this 4,80m long middle-class based car also this reference-sports-Car on driver-streets...
@Tinei1 Жыл бұрын
Lap times?
@danieljordan5572 Жыл бұрын
Recognized that track in minutes, good it's still getting used
@furzedowner Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what the Lighthouse Family were up to these days...(?!)
@TimWilliamsHD Жыл бұрын
Transformation 😍
@johnscpmg4862 Жыл бұрын
Double wishbone is not new to sports cars. Why did it take them 50 plus years to catch up? It's kinda like not having lsd as a standard in their 911s.
@Gautam454 Жыл бұрын
Is there a single person in the world who would take a M4cs over a GT3?!!
@edmurth Жыл бұрын
Double wishbone suspension has been around forever, Porsche stick it on the front of their beetle and they’re geniuses 😂
@joshreynolds729 Жыл бұрын
The vw beetle was a pos and drove like crap, looked even worse. The 60s edition was the only one made that was decent but even then it was slower than a toad.
@CLSTRN911 Жыл бұрын
Ahahaha you are so funny 😂 double wishbone from the RSR lemans race car and guess what ? The beetle destroy 98% of the supercars with 700hp+ on the track. There is more than just having the name double wishbone Porsche hater
@edmurth Жыл бұрын
@@CLSTRN911 not another keyboard warrior, it’s a joke you clown. And if had a brain you’d understand the reference to calling a 911 a beetle on that track. Nice work there though, getting defensive for an huge car manufacturer, I’m sure Porsche are relieved you’ve got their back 😂🤡 700hp? You’re clearly a subject matter expert, not 🤡
@joshreynolds729 Жыл бұрын
@@CLSTRN911 I don’t hate Porsche 🤣. I hated the Beatles, specifically the newer ones. Never said the double wish bone was bad nor did I say that Porsche isn’t accomplished in racing and sports cars along with handling. But the beatle was a chicks car all of them. Yeah sure you can make them fast but really that’s mainly due to weight. But it’s not on that stock motor that it comes with 🤣.
@CLSTRN911 Жыл бұрын
@@joshreynolds729 nooo the comment was not for you 💀
@tyronethecarkid5810 Жыл бұрын
I loves bmws alot but gt3 with manual if one of my dream cars❤
@pamo5900 Жыл бұрын
No race? No lap times? This wasn' track battle..
@AutoTraderTV Жыл бұрын
Too wet for hot laps, sorry. The track was pretty dangerous.
@jaysparrow6631 Жыл бұрын
@@AutoTraderTVI say my fellow good man; you know what we want but went ahead with a wet track anyway!!! Sad times 😢
@Kingabdvl Жыл бұрын
Basically, if you’ve got the money for a Porsche, get the Porsche 😊
@Lindi82 Жыл бұрын
Once I got a 997.2 GT3RS and that noise never left my ears again. A naturally aspirated Porsche engine sounds orgasmic.
@InfoHubZA Жыл бұрын
You should've done a drag race as well.
@catchlive3994 Жыл бұрын
They did, previously video they did drag races and rolls
@MrRoyck10 Жыл бұрын
Comparing ASDA plunk with fine wine, rabbit and rat, Porsche GT3 and M4 Turbo on a generic saloon platform. The last BMW remains the e46 M3 CSL powered by M, naturally aspirated engine craftsmanship.
@DaveFuucck Жыл бұрын
Rory and Alex are great together
@juicyjuice841 Жыл бұрын
Early bird catches the worm LETS GO
@tepes141 Ай бұрын
For sure it's a matter of brand preference so I'd take the bimmer 😁💪
@dy8863 Жыл бұрын
cars that are not within $10K of each other, should not be in a comparison test. No one cross shops a GT3 with a M4CSL
@salomonyffeler5679 Жыл бұрын
Porsche ❤️
@dnice362 Жыл бұрын
These are the price?! Criminal
@arnsteinholm7372 4 ай бұрын
You add a lot more downforce from the wing ... just saying ;-)
@drivnapparel9575 Жыл бұрын
Splendid review.
@user-hu4ex7wy9z Ай бұрын
You got to hand it over to BMW for being able to turn a full size luxury coupe into performance car that can keep up with a GT3 . It never stood a chance vs a rear mounted engine sports car .
@premonemo 7 ай бұрын
I’m always confused by the comparison between the M4 CSL and GT3, besides the price (M4 CSL way too much but the GT3 will never be sticker). The M4 is a souped up saloon and the GT3 is a watered down race car… They don’t meet in the middle.
@premonemo 7 ай бұрын
Objectively the GT3 is the better car, anyone who buys the M4 CSL either wasn’t interested in the GT3 or already owns one.
@naskrajuciszy Жыл бұрын
Comparing a purpose built sports car with a tuned 4 series doesn't seem like a fair deal. The only thigt these cars have in common is the price
@anesennaidoo5279 Жыл бұрын
Just because you have 2 cars on the same day does not mean they should be compared... the GT3 is in a league of its own.
@MarcSob22 Жыл бұрын
I take the M4 any day!!
@reilym979 Жыл бұрын
I like seeing Rory by himself
@rjd592 Жыл бұрын
Porsche PDK vs BMW 8AT is not both losing. There’s a CLEAR winner lol
@johnblackburn4759 Жыл бұрын
Likable reviewers, but a "track battle" in the pouring rain? And the M4 isn't even in the same class as the GT3. Still a bit fun to watch
@GarryMcGovern Жыл бұрын
Manuals are for investors or those too influenced by KZfaq videos. If you're focussed on the 'involvement' of a manual when out driving a GT3....... you're not doing it right. I'll keep a manual in my Caterham or old Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi, but in this? PDK, all the way.
@3030ncdido Жыл бұрын
Drive that thing Rory! Hmmm hmm!
@05assahse Жыл бұрын
GT3!!!
@alexgadsdon5375 Жыл бұрын
csl isn't a track car it's a handling focused road car that is capable on track. Track cars have wings and diffusers. Waste of time if you aren't maximizing aero.
@rubenq93 Жыл бұрын
Always raining in uk😆
@dair919 Жыл бұрын
Taking the GT3 3very day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
@ponanikhoza1934 Жыл бұрын
Y'all crazyeth...🤣
@proteinfart5017 Жыл бұрын
130 pounds for a gt3, cars are like double the price of the CSL in the US lol
@albertogonzalez1746 Жыл бұрын
Why do the Brits insist on reviewing cars in the worst weather all the time. Just go to Spain to review
@rafi7252 Жыл бұрын
i really hope to afford one gt3 in the future, i really really want that car, good luck to myself.
@SimmeKumpel Жыл бұрын
Csl means coupe Sport lightweight 🤓
@mateosinani7936 Жыл бұрын
When you say track battle I expect times to be measured. This was just a review. Pick up the game lads.
@michaelbyers955 Жыл бұрын
I'm a BMW enthusiast but this isn't a competition. Its a GT3 which maybe the best overall car made. Dude come on.
@Bobby.enjoys Жыл бұрын
M4 cls is excellent but I prefer 911 gt3 👌🏻
@johnv4866 Жыл бұрын
I won't be disappointed if I don't see any more videos of Alex. In fact, I probably won't watch any if he is in them.
@declanminoli5361 Жыл бұрын
He is really annoying
@nimish2073 Жыл бұрын
Who does drag race on wet surface?
@AutoTraderTV Жыл бұрын
We didn't order rain.
@nimish2073 Жыл бұрын
@@AutoTraderTV it's pretty useless. But it's your channel. Do whatever you can do :D
@kenoh818 Жыл бұрын
Of course the GT3 would prevail. It was predictable but... for the M4 CSL to get this close! Hats off to BMW!