Porsche 981 Cayman GT4 vs. Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 | PistonHeads

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3 жыл бұрын

Either version of the GT4 qualifies as one of the finest mid-engined sports cars ever made. But which is best?
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@PistonHeadsTV
@PistonHeadsTV 3 жыл бұрын
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@chojamaru304
@chojamaru304 Жыл бұрын
Great video. 981 GT4 hands down. Raw, exhilarating, this car will be a collectors item. Prices won’t come down.
@BL-zt4es
@BL-zt4es 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best presenters in the business.
@michaelschneider-
@michaelschneider- 3 жыл бұрын
@enjie Lopez. .. Agreed, no question. .. One of the very best automotive Presenters.
@MrGMilitary
@MrGMilitary 2 жыл бұрын
What is his name?
@ghowells5433
@ghowells5433 3 жыл бұрын
Alongside Harry Metcalfe these reviews are brilliant, great presenter but with a background in EVO what do you expect
@ghlibisk67
@ghlibisk67 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Henry Catchpole and Jethro Bovingdon too! I guess EVO is the Harvard for automotive video presenters.
@Forshbr04
@Forshbr04 7 күн бұрын
@@ghlibisk67and Chris Harris!
@wisruteb
@wisruteb 3 жыл бұрын
Dan’s assessment and presentation skills have come a long way since Evo. Thanks for making this comparison.
@PaddyMcQueen
@PaddyMcQueen 3 жыл бұрын
He s one of the reason I left evo. Forced reviews, presuming to give feedback, trying to be someone you aren t. And you can t hide it.
@gingerbrown
@gingerbrown 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think ill ever part with my 981 GT4, Its just about enough of everything. Great review on both
@panigalecars3485
@panigalecars3485 3 жыл бұрын
Do you drive it daily? I’m about to purchase one soon... but will be a weekend car?
@christmasisawesome9348
@christmasisawesome9348 3 жыл бұрын
@@panigalecars3485 It's got a heavy clutch. Driving in congested traffic wouldn't be pleasant.
@clu4u
@clu4u 3 жыл бұрын
@@christmasisawesome9348 I use both feet in my 981 Spyder, lol. Actually the gearing and clutch are fine.
@mrmando69
@mrmando69 5 ай бұрын
The car is absolutely fine as a daily. Nothing is a problem or that heavy
@EGMedia1
@EGMedia1 3 жыл бұрын
Exceptional level of detail, worth the full 11:26. Beautiful shots too. Great stuff as always. Tough choice, the 718 might look better but the 981's steering would probably clinch it.
@adrianleek7211
@adrianleek7211 Жыл бұрын
This review is so much more detailed and nuanced than any other I have watched. Brilliant. It was a key factor in me buying my 981 GT4. Amazing machine and engineering.
@aplatt9
@aplatt9 3 жыл бұрын
Had the pleasure to drive both back to back at Silverstone test facility. Couldn’t agree more with Dan here, old one just has more feel, more engaging and more of an occasion. The new one however is defo the quicker more grown up model.
@denisbarry9436
@denisbarry9436 3 жыл бұрын
Fair assessment of both cars. I have the 718 GT4 and absolutely love it. The way Porsche evolves their cars, it should be no surprise how close the two models are. While the GT4 is a good looking car, you cannot fully appreciate it until you drive the snot out of it.
@machinegunakshay
@machinegunakshay 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. This channel deserves more attention.
@frankly5171
@frankly5171 3 жыл бұрын
Superb presentation that communicates the excitement and ability of these wonderfully playful sports cars. Well done.
@1986Unlimited
@1986Unlimited 3 жыл бұрын
Great review man. Detailed and informative. Beautiful filmography to accompany it.
@wheelsmcfury4086
@wheelsmcfury4086 3 жыл бұрын
I hope PistonHeads gets to test the two on a nice, dry track. Along with that GT4 RS or whatever it's going to be called.
@maniUSArmy
@maniUSArmy 3 жыл бұрын
11:13 is a sublime shot. As a photographer, I can't help but notice such things. The black road snaking along at dusk with the green and reg cars against the white lane markings...bravo to the videography team!
@Joshkemponcars
@Joshkemponcars 3 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video! Keep them coming! 🙌🏼
@jetara3082
@jetara3082 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great comparison, enjoyed it alot It's 981 for me...several reasons: - it was the first GT4 - I drove it for so many miles, so nostalgia, I loved every single mile of it - I think the design will age much better, the tail lights and that black...ahm..stripe or whatever it is on the 718 are not my cup of tea - I think it sounds much better, more aggressive, that's were I disagree with you
@tindalljames
@tindalljames 3 жыл бұрын
In my experience the only people who constantly ask questions about the gearing are the ones who have never driven / owned a GT4.
@feelsgoodman245
@feelsgoodman245 3 жыл бұрын
Porsche manual gearing has been long for a decade now. People complained about long gearing in the 997 GT3
@kW4CK
@kW4CK 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a 981 GT4 and I can assure you the gearing was too long
@rashaadadam3359
@rashaadadam3359 3 жыл бұрын
I own a 718 gt4 and can assure you i have zero issue with the gearing. Just use a lower gear ... First gear is an option with the auto blip
@aplatt9
@aplatt9 3 жыл бұрын
I owned one for 2 years. The gearing is too long, it’s not an opinion it’s a fact. Still a great car tho.
@lensoprezole5322
@lensoprezole5322 3 жыл бұрын
@James T : Ok you're a guy that shifts up all gears at 4000 rpm. But that doesn't mean all people are like you. Some of us are real men that shift up at the red line. Why ? Because we love the flat 6 symphony and the sensation of acceleration. So, reality is Porsche gearing is too long. 85 mph in second gear on the open road is ridiculous. The C8 Corvette makes 500 hp and it's gearing is much shorter. The GT4 is not a track only car. For the people living in the mountains it is a superb toy, we have tons of corners that never stop. Amazing fun.
@dnice362
@dnice362 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are brilliant and deserve way more subscribers. Please give us more content
@NoLaneRestrictions
@NoLaneRestrictions 3 жыл бұрын
just Subscribed! So Glad I stumbled upon you channel! Looking forward to your videos!!!!
@JBOsurf
@JBOsurf 3 жыл бұрын
Correct verdict Dan! Loving my 981 GT4. Had a sensational drive in it today. No desire for the new one. At all.
@888mf4
@888mf4 3 жыл бұрын
Great car
@stevecotterill7981
@stevecotterill7981 3 жыл бұрын
Terrific review... great detail. Thanks. 👍
@jryalls
@jryalls 3 жыл бұрын
Great bit of content that Dan. 👍
@enriquearmstrong461
@enriquearmstrong461 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review.. congratulations! I've watched EVERY SINGLE GT4 review available on KZfaq (yep, big fan of it...), and this is one of the best out there.
@JoostH.
@JoostH. 3 жыл бұрын
New 981 GT4 content, great :)
@CPK007
@CPK007 9 ай бұрын
Dan, an excellent comparison. I have a 718 and absolutely love it. Now I can put it into words. Thanks.
@eSysmanSuperYachts
@eSysmanSuperYachts 3 жыл бұрын
That was a great review. As someone about to get my new Spyder delivered, I’m looking forward to driving it myself. Crazy that I’m buying a car without ever driving it. But it will be my 5th ‘Boxster’.
@clu4u
@clu4u 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, I’m on my 2nd, a 981 Spyder, drove my 05 Boxster S 140,000 miles of smiles.
@davonpointer2310
@davonpointer2310 3 жыл бұрын
Great video/insight. Really like the presenter too. BIG thumbs up.
@michaelpoworoznik3159
@michaelpoworoznik3159 3 жыл бұрын
I still have my 2016 GT4 ...Love it
@clu4u
@clu4u 3 жыл бұрын
981 Spyder here, ditto
@andyohara1393
@andyohara1393 3 жыл бұрын
Went out in my 981 GT4 today, what a car! Definitely a keeper for me. Great video and a great verdict!
@888mf4
@888mf4 3 жыл бұрын
Great car
@yetidh9
@yetidh9 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I'm keeping mine. Nothing that has been produced since appeals to me.
@RiperSnifle
@RiperSnifle 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky git! Sadly i will never earn the money to buy a run a car of that value. Hope you enjoy every moment with her :)
@bryantcurtis2665
@bryantcurtis2665 3 жыл бұрын
Evian I’m eating Kraft macaroni and cheese with cut up hotdogs and my vehicle has 8.75 hp a Honda monkey but I’m grateful
@911aircooled5
@911aircooled5 3 жыл бұрын
Torn!! Great review, to the degree that I am soooo torn! The price difference makes the 981 so much more attractable, and your review makes it sound as if it's for me. But it's old, and I am worried about the depreciation (flip) in a few years. Which will be more sort after in the future??? Back to your review; honest, precise and to the point. Thank You. What would you buy?? Seriously. ( I am a driver not a commuter!)
@prazzy4712
@prazzy4712 3 жыл бұрын
spot on review, as a keeper it's the 981, looks, sound and rawness over the 718
@shortlifeliveit8198
@shortlifeliveit8198 3 жыл бұрын
Looks, no, sound yes, more hardcore..debatable. It’s just less good at going fast without making you tired. Although I found my 981 was more tolerable on long journeys vs my 718. Maybe grumbling noise from cylinder deactivation at cruising speeds. The 718 is a better car to drive on track days.
@JetFuelOnly
@JetFuelOnly 3 жыл бұрын
Great B Roll! Love the colors in this one.
@isserdigan2835
@isserdigan2835 3 жыл бұрын
A 718 GT4 is around 110-120k. You can snag a low mileage 981 GT4 for 85-90k. And still have 100% fun with it. I go to the track every year and not a lot can keep up with it.
@Peel5000
@Peel5000 3 жыл бұрын
A CPO 981 gt4 right now is ~$92k. For $106k you can get a brand new 718 gt4 optioned with bucket seats. I traded my 981 Boxster spyder for one.
@isserdigan2835
@isserdigan2835 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peel5000 nice. Here in my area its impossible to get that low. 😃
@mrmando69
@mrmando69 5 ай бұрын
What an absolutely excellent review.
@divisiona3974
@divisiona3974 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Subbed. 👍🏻
@mattyp3119
@mattyp3119 3 жыл бұрын
Love this review, couldn't agree more
@michaelmeredith912
@michaelmeredith912 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! 👍🏼👍🏼
@rust3dsteel
@rust3dsteel 3 жыл бұрын
Great review.
@tantabi2531
@tantabi2531 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, also pls do a comparison between 991.1 RS & 991.2 RS
@neile36a
@neile36a 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best reviews on the net leagues above the others
@alwynmcmath
@alwynmcmath 3 жыл бұрын
There’s only one pistonheads reviewer as far as I’m concerned. This is he. Entertaining, passionate, informed, nerdy stuff. 😆 👍
@mrt.789
@mrt.789 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he was a EVO writer for long time
@chrisjames9577
@chrisjames9577 7 ай бұрын
I totally agree. I love my 981 GT4’s Gearing. I have owned 3 X 911s. The last was a modified 991.2 GTS delivering 580 HP. I live in the Country and come off a Highway at 60 mph onto the Line to where I live. All my Sports Cars have Manual Transmissions. In all 3 X 911s as well as my C7 Corvette, I would come off the Highway and Gear Down to Second Gear as I made the 90 degree Right Turn onto the Line to my home. Guess What??? In my 981 GT4, I make the 90 degree Right Hand Turn onto the Line IN FIRST GEAR!!!! Do you know how exciting that is???? To be able to do make that Turn in First Gear at the same Speed as my 991.2 GTS in Second Gear is Incredible. I love the Gearing in my GT4. It is a definitely a Positive - Not a Negative in any way. Anyone who Bashes the Gearing either has never driven one or does not know how to extract the most from this Car. I cannot even duplicate this with a GT3!!!
@Brakelate879
@Brakelate879 3 жыл бұрын
solid review sir
@alan4444555
@alan4444555 3 жыл бұрын
Has the engine sound been strangled by the new emissions controls, has the electrohydraulic steering been changed. can it be adjusted by a specialist? Or is it different geometry setup at the front? Steering feel is so important in a model like this.
@DreamWorkDrive
@DreamWorkDrive 3 жыл бұрын
Still prefer the "old" GT4! Great video as usual
@MD-qp8gj
@MD-qp8gj 3 жыл бұрын
I love my 981 GT4, it's epic.
@TheBucketOfTruth
@TheBucketOfTruth 3 жыл бұрын
Was the 718 on the same tires? I hadn't heard this about the steering comparison before. I would have expected the rack to get better not more numb.
@henryhealy
@henryhealy 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are criminally underviewed.
@Malcom2345
@Malcom2345 3 жыл бұрын
Sports bucket seats on the 718 are un-reclinable so keeps you more upright by default. If you want more adjustment you need to ditch the buckets
@slothdesigns1091
@slothdesigns1091 3 жыл бұрын
I'm intrigued by the rear wing support brackets. They look as light as possible
@PSamson2
@PSamson2 3 жыл бұрын
Good review, thanks. I tend to agree with conclusion but wonder why steering feel (and seat position) would different. They have pretty much the same steering rack and suspension (same for seats and brackets)... Tire pressure? Alignment? Go figure...
@Herman-zc7te
@Herman-zc7te 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly the owner of the 981 installed the seat mod that relaxes the seat angle a little bit
@feelsgoodman245
@feelsgoodman245 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure the point about steering can be right. The 718 generation's steering was a massive step on from 981
@shortlifeliveit8198
@shortlifeliveit8198 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@jeron6108
@jeron6108 3 жыл бұрын
For the base car, yes. Though the 981 GT4 had the steering / front end from the 991 GT3. So it's very, very different to say a 981 S. A 718 S steering is much improved over a 981 S.
@feelsgoodman245
@feelsgoodman245 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeron6108 Have not driven a 981 GT4 or 991.1 GT3, however from owners' views it seems that 718 GT4/991.2 GT3 are a step on steering-wise. Porsche still didn't have EPAS 100% figured out at that stage. Yes, agreed the 981 S to 718 S is a big improvement
@sultanqasim
@sultanqasim 3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t driven a 981 GT4, but I have driven various regular 981s and 718s, and own a 718 Spyder. My Spyder’s steering has the best feedback of any electric steering rack I’ve experienced. It’s not particularly heavy steering, but I think the weighting is just right. There’s a difference between steering weight and steering feedback. I’ve had BMWs in the past whose steering in sport mode was heavier than my Spyder, but they had way less feedback of road conditions and texture.
@Mockle07
@Mockle07 3 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, it’s not right or wrong, it’s Dan’s opinion. An opinion based on driving the cars back to back... He owns an Alpine A110 too so I reckon he knows a thing or two about steering.
@stubailey9433
@stubailey9433 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. Prefer the front lights on the older GT 4.
@daysofgrace2934
@daysofgrace2934 3 жыл бұрын
Well put together, a pat on the back for the whole team...
@muratk.8296
@muratk.8296 3 жыл бұрын
981.GT4 is a keeper
@mlhj83
@mlhj83 3 жыл бұрын
Also, the weight difference between them isn’t much. PH is quoting pre-WLTP manufacturer weight of the 981, which is not representative of real world weights. In reality, both cars are similar in weight.
@Mockle07
@Mockle07 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, there is no way 80kg difference in genuine on the road weight.
@mlhj83
@mlhj83 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen plenty of documented corner weights of both cars to know that the difference isn’t huge. Just like the 996, 997, 991 and 992 all have a similar real world weight. Manufacturers have been bending the truth about the weights of their cars.
@Mockle07
@Mockle07 3 жыл бұрын
@@mlhj83 Agreed. The way that manufacturers have to quote weights and economy etc have all changed recently, hence the disparity. Out of interest, do you remember the actual difference? I seem to remember it being only 20/30 kg
@mlhj83
@mlhj83 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mockle07 If both are optioned similarly and fuelled equally, about 30kg difference.
@Innovaenergyser
@Innovaenergyser 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with other comments, having the GT3 RS from end I would expect the steering feel would be better than its predecessor not worse
@OM-kw4py
@OM-kw4py Жыл бұрын
It's just lighter. People confuse that for less detail.
@perdomus
@perdomus 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think happens the same with the 981 spyder vs the 718 spyder?.
@WP0EU
@WP0EU 7 ай бұрын
plz help.... what are the listed seats like in terms of comfort?😊
@papajimg9238
@papajimg9238 3 жыл бұрын
Great review!! How strange... One would think that with the adoption of GT3 parts, the steering feeling would be better than the previous one
@turbolurbo
@turbolurbo 3 жыл бұрын
The 981 GT4 also have GT3 parts, including a complete GT3 front suspension setup. Look up Chris Harris test drive of the 981 GT4, with included walk-through of the suspension setup with Andreas Preuninger.
@craigc8682
@craigc8682 3 жыл бұрын
Turboturbo absolutely correct here
@Bogster_Bogs
@Bogster_Bogs 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@CanadaLuke
@CanadaLuke 3 жыл бұрын
Great video of a pair of awesome cars! ps. Try to match the shots to the commentary, for example, show rear diffuser when you're talking about rear diffuser
@MarcusMadril
@MarcusMadril 3 жыл бұрын
what song was used at the beginning ????
@marklawrence9416
@marklawrence9416 3 жыл бұрын
Fab review. 😀😀😀
3 жыл бұрын
Biggest flaw. No front axle lift system on both. Dat really sucks. Besides driven both & love both. Oldschool analogue car produced at modern times. Kudos.
@user-gl2eq2ly4g
@user-gl2eq2ly4g 3 жыл бұрын
I have an original GT4...... Sublime car. Re.....the gearing ...... Just drive it and quit moaning ..... It's a fantastic beast. 😅😅😅
@xIRATUMx
@xIRATUMx 3 жыл бұрын
Confusing as every other reviewer has said its ride is too harsh for uk roads. How did you find it?
@russiaviation
@russiaviation 3 жыл бұрын
So the current GT4 is more like “everyday’s super car” than ever. Sound like the Honda NSX to me but with the glorious six speeds manual transmission....I am in love indeed !!! ❤️
@kimera99999
@kimera99999 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid Dan. Here’s a question though. 2015 GT4 or New 918 GTS all things considered? Decided where to place my cash.
@timburton1080
@timburton1080 3 жыл бұрын
I'd assume used 981 GT4 if it's more rewarding than the GTS bigger brother. That said there is no wrong choice there.
@Herman-zc7te
@Herman-zc7te 3 жыл бұрын
GTS for more road biased driving. GT4 for more track biased driving
@brucemackenzie4952
@brucemackenzie4952 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 981 and really appreciate this review. I love my 981, I am waiting for the coming RS version!
@ironmantooltime
@ironmantooltime 2 жыл бұрын
Is the yellow one the one that smashes its turrets?
@zaverdi5986
@zaverdi5986 3 жыл бұрын
The final verdict is 100% true, the 718 Gt4 RS will be the ultimate track car from this platform
@steffydog
@steffydog 3 жыл бұрын
Fab, thanks.
@tommeeng
@tommeeng 3 жыл бұрын
Our presenter seems to forget to mention that the 1st gen had no optional PDK & and the aero was at least 50% less than the 718 GT4. We buy these cars for track use, both the PDK & aero make this car go quicker on the track. If we want these car for street driving, stick with the GTS please!
@wildey36
@wildey36 2 жыл бұрын
Pdk for people who can't drive
@mrmando69
@mrmando69 Жыл бұрын
PDK GT4 is for rainbow waving gender confused conformists.
@jhrodriguez08
@jhrodriguez08 3 жыл бұрын
Lighter steering, gear shifts and clutch pedal....more sound deadening, poor exhaust note. I would not change my 981 GT4 for a 718 GT4
@philippendlebury4518
@philippendlebury4518 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant report by a person who obviously knows what he's talking about. Well done.
@jryalls
@jryalls 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what the gearing is like on the PDK version of the 718 GT4?
@NoName-qp1op
@NoName-qp1op 3 жыл бұрын
A bith shorter, there is a video where they stack the car up against the m2cs and a lotus, there you can see that the 2nd ger runs out earlier
@jryalls
@jryalls 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoName-qp1op thanks, do you know where I can find the video.
@NoName-qp1op
@NoName-qp1op 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9JomJyDyr22emw.html
@jryalls
@jryalls 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoName-qp1op thanks
@Hrtt
@Hrtt 3 жыл бұрын
GT4, Spyder and GTS 4.0 are now available with PDK gearboxes
@888mf4
@888mf4 3 жыл бұрын
Lighter clutch in the 718 GT4 which makes it more useable but also less noise which makes it less enjoyable.
@muratk.8296
@muratk.8296 3 жыл бұрын
I find the old clutch more controllable compared to the new one. Yes it is heavier but not like 997 GT3 heavy. When I compare the 981.GT4 clutch vs. 991.2 GT3 Touring, I would go for the 981.GT4 clutch every time.
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
The clutch in the 981 is not heavy at all, just nicely weighted. Similarly the 997 GT3 clutch is not particularly heavy either. I’ve owned both and all this talk about the weight of the clutch is just horse poop!
@888mf4
@888mf4 3 жыл бұрын
@@gjonno I currently have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 and a 981 Spyder. There is a huge difference between the two!!
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
@@888mf4 mine was a lowly 997.1 3.6 which I don’t have now, but at no point did I find the clutch particularly heavy. Maybe the rarified 4.0 is somewhat different? However gen 1 was a rubbish daily due to the harshness and uncompromising ride. The Spyder is far better in that respect. You wouldn’t daily a 4.0 would you? And if you do then hats off to you indeed
@drhml2010
@drhml2010 3 жыл бұрын
Top notch
@P1_TDT
@P1_TDT 3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!
@samuelsessions2817
@samuelsessions2817 3 жыл бұрын
If you don’t believe me watch Steve Sutcliffe’s review of 718 GT4 at Knockhill. Best auto journalist bar none. Watch him drive Formula 1 car at Silverstone. His time is .4 sec behind test driver’s (if I remember correctly). Passionate, knowledgeable, skillful, observant. He’s the authority.
@kickyadick
@kickyadick 3 жыл бұрын
The 718 rear diffuser and exhaust looks off don’t they?
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
Just looks rubbish an tacky to me. Much prefer the 981 rear end.
@timw308
@timw308 2 жыл бұрын
Horrible look
@frankalarcon635
@frankalarcon635 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! I can't help but think whenever i watch a GT4 review that it would benefit from a shorter diff ratio so you can make the most of all gears, not just the first 3 gears. Surely a shorter diff ratio is a do-able mod..
@timburton1080
@timburton1080 3 жыл бұрын
There are kits to address the gearing
@lensoprezole5322
@lensoprezole5322 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan ! Which car is more enjoyable to drive between the GT4 and the A110 ?
@carpediem1140
@carpediem1140 3 жыл бұрын
As an owner of an A110S and test driven alle cars ... my opinion: A110 or A110S are so different. If you want a precise racing maschine ... take the Porsche GT4 (and take alle options!). If you want to smile and feel the road every day ... take the Alpine A110 or maybe even the A110S (like I did). But of course you have to test drive all to find out who you are on the road or maybe on the track ... 😁
@lensoprezole5322
@lensoprezole5322 3 жыл бұрын
@@carpediem1140 Appreciated your answer mate, have a good day 👍
@fragu123
@fragu123 3 жыл бұрын
...do you prefer fish or meat? I mean n/a or turbo? Stick shift or double clutch? 4 or multi cylinder? Which roads do you like to drive? Aso..... both great cars, but so different! I took the 718GTS4.0.... as an open top, for the drivers😉
@bigben57
@bigben57 3 жыл бұрын
Dan did refer to it as "...the best midengined sports car I've ever driven." in the opening statement, and he owns an A110.
@lensoprezole5322
@lensoprezole5322 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigben57 "Best" doesn't mean the most enjoyable in my opinion. "Best" can mean the fastest or the one that have the best quality overall, etc. Have a nice day mate.
@hadrienlf23
@hadrienlf23 3 жыл бұрын
Almost bought one, until i saw the strut towers issues, then the 3rd gear issues... The strut towers failing is properly scary and the numbers of cars failing keep growing due to age and mileage. Would be able to push on a road after i saw those pics of the suspension going through the frame and into the front hood.
@yetidh9
@yetidh9 3 жыл бұрын
Most 3rd gear issues are fixed under warranty or good will. Strut tower failure is so rare, it's not worth worrying about. All cars have problems that are 'well documented' on the internet. You are missing out on a great car.
@bigben57
@bigben57 3 жыл бұрын
The strut tower issue is due to hitting berms when going off track or striking very sharp road imperfections at high speed. If you aren't driving 10/10ths on horrible roads there isn't much to worry about.
@hadrienlf23
@hadrienlf23 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigben57 ​@UCy8omVerI0Jcwi0yuzHCJag I have actually seen GT4 and GT3 ( same front top mounts ) failure on road cars. The fail rate isn't high true but more than 200 case is starting to be quite a lot for a low production car. I just don't see my self going straight on a mountain road with my wife on the side. Of course the cars have been pushed hard but failure like those usually happen long after the build date, while you see cases of cars with less than a year or less than 10.000km. Porsche is being pretty good about this, making you sign documents to not tell the issue and they fix the car for 95% of the bill ( like the GT3 gen 1 engine, which i broke one at 25.000km on a B road with correct oil level ).
@eungbeomyeon3198
@eungbeomyeon3198 3 жыл бұрын
I own a 718 gt4, i doubt the opinion that the steering in 718 is less intuitive. It’s lighter for sure but very much improved from the previous one. He should’ve driven them in a track...
@shortlifeliveit8198
@shortlifeliveit8198 3 жыл бұрын
I know it’s just your opinion but I don’t agree about the steering. I had a 981 for 18 months and swapped for a 718 GT4. I actually prefer the steering on the 718. It was the first thing I noticed at the first corner. The way it loads up on corners better than the 981 and feel off centre I prefer. Also the engine revs more freely. Seating position I noticed nothing much, both feel very upright. I track my 718 regularly but never did 981. On track 718 is sublime. It’s where you really feel why Porsche did what they did. Steering has so much feel on the limit that I didn’t feel I got from 981 on the limit on the road because it was heavier so could feel subtle changes in weight as grip levels changed. Got lots of opinions on 718 vs 981 as I’ve had both, however overall I prefer the 718. I now mainly use it on track after thinking of selling due to less excitement from exhaust note but I realised I was missing the point when I took it ok track I realised the noise was just right for a long day in the track. No issues with noise fatigue after hours of track use and still sounds amazing as the valves are always open in track. Also long gearing you don’t notice as you’re in high revs so change more often. Would I switch to 718 again given option? Not sure as I am hoping to get 992 GT3, but 718 felt like such a fresh start after jumping out of 981 I’d have to say I would do it again. Only my POV as an owner.
@samuelsessions2817
@samuelsessions2817 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve driven them both. SMSA certified. Disagree with him completely. Live in GA, USA, and there’s a road that is the ultimate challenge. Don’t tell me that the 718 version isn’t precise. I think if you own a 981 you like it; you own a 718 you like it. I have an early Cayman with hydraulic steering BTW and the 718 GT4 matches it. What a great combo. And seating position? Stay away from the bucket seats: they’re idiotic.
@samuelsessions2817
@samuelsessions2817 3 жыл бұрын
And when I say driven them both I mean on the same roads, so I’ve done the direct comparison, too. Both great. I prefer the 718. And BTW: low end torque much better than he says. You do not, by any means, have to get to 6K rpm to notice it.
@bigben57
@bigben57 3 жыл бұрын
I think the 981's design will age better. It doesn't have those horrid mandated rear reflectors.
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
Agree. Add to this the more simple and flowing lines of the 981.
@OM-kw4py
@OM-kw4py Жыл бұрын
Yes but it has those ugly bulbous rear lights and square front lights. Oh wait that's subjective and means nothing. Both are amazing but I understand you want to feel better about your car so go ahead.
@4liter
@4liter 3 ай бұрын
More power, and better looking rear especially. Don’t think you can go wrong w the 718.
@EverythingorNothing
@EverythingorNothing 3 жыл бұрын
You absolutely nailed it with this review being a 981 GT4 owner I empathize I understand and I relish my 981.
@terokallio9339
@terokallio9339 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the 981 is the better car. Lighter (by a huge margin), both has the GT3 front suspension, the 3.8 is a better engine, PLUS as the Sport Auto (German sports car bible) tests (2) show, the 981 GT4 is also quicker - both on track and slightly also on straght line.
@mikemcinnis1523
@mikemcinnis1523 3 жыл бұрын
718 GT4 is 11 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than the 981
@alexgreen4997
@alexgreen4997 3 жыл бұрын
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard haha. As Mike said, the 718 is 11 seconds quicker around the ring. The 3.8 does sound better stock for stock but the 718 is objectively better in every measurable way.
@NoName-qp1op
@NoName-qp1op 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexgreen4997 yes. New Pilot Sport Cup 2 also ;)
@wildey36
@wildey36 2 жыл бұрын
Put the same tyres on both cars and I bet you the 11 seconds is reduced by quite a margin.
@fer1306
@fer1306 Жыл бұрын
They are not go fast in the straight cars but 718 is also faster quite a bit.
@mlhj83
@mlhj83 3 жыл бұрын
The seats are exactly the same, and so should the body in white, how is it that the seating position has changed? Were the seats set at the same height, because the buckets do become more upright as they are raised. Also, has the geometry and tyre pressures been set correctly to ensure an accurate comparison of steering feel and response?
@Mockle07
@Mockle07 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂 You know Dan’s been doing this for a while, right?
@mlhj83
@mlhj83 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mockle07 I’ve followed Dan since his early days. But I never make assumptions that reviewers are absolutely fastidious. I bet majority of reviewers don’t measure the tyre tread depth, or use an accurate pressure gauge, or check with Porsche whether the geometry was bang on. Unless all the parameters are the same (or within manufacturer’s tolerance), a 1-2PSI pressure difference or 2+mm diff in tread depth, or a few minutes of toe difference, is all it takes to make a car handle and feel different.
@Mockle07
@Mockle07 3 жыл бұрын
@@mlhj83 Fair enough, you’re not wrong in what you say but in fairness that would throw literally every car comparison feature ever written/filmed wide open, you have to draw the line somewhere.
@vincentjoo915
@vincentjoo915 3 жыл бұрын
981 GT4 will be my choice!
@chrisgtx2630
@chrisgtx2630 3 жыл бұрын
The 981 GT4 is a must have and keep! The 718 is not selling and we know why :)
@Peel5000
@Peel5000 3 жыл бұрын
718 gt4 is definitely selling, but corona shutdowns halted production. There’s more 991.2 gt3rs’ for sale than 718 gt4’s right now.
@chrisgtx2630
@chrisgtx2630 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peel5000 nope some friends work for Porsche and it’s a total disappointment. Clients are bringing back the 718 and prices of the 981 have started to pick up again.
@Peel5000
@Peel5000 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisgtx2630 I’m reading Rennlist everyday. Nobody is disappointed.
@chrisgtx2630
@chrisgtx2630 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peel5000 I think Porsche insights are better than a website where only « happy » owners try to lie to themselves that they made the wrong purchase ;)
@gt4viking789
@gt4viking789 3 жыл бұрын
Well well, who would drive a GT4 every day anyway?! Have the Manthey front axel upgrade to allow for a more aggressive camber setting resulting in a razor sharp turn in on the 981 and put a smile on your face! 👍🏼 ATB Peter
@roxteddy8749
@roxteddy8749 3 жыл бұрын
I drive mine everyday dude... 🙂😎
@johnrussell3986
@johnrussell3986 4 ай бұрын
I have a hopped up 987 ... 480,000 miles on it. All mine except for the original 42k from Brumos. So... EVERY FAY is a holiday in a Porsche. So yeah... Next car is a Gt4... Probably a 981. Which I will drive EVERY DAY...
@AbandonEarth911
@AbandonEarth911 2 жыл бұрын
Both are very nice, but i prefer GT4 with pdk box.
@cayman9815
@cayman9815 3 жыл бұрын
the new one with PDK pls
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