Porsche 991.1 GTS vs 991.2 S Follow Up Video

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7 жыл бұрын

I asked the question in a previous video, should I trade in my 2015 991.1 GTS for the new 2017 991.2 Carrera S? In this follow up video, I discuss your comments, feedback and answers to this question and share my thoughts. Come along for a ride.
The link to my previous video comparing the two cars is here:
• 991.1 vs. 991.2: Shoul...
My Instagram about the GTS: @porschegtsfan
Link to GTSpirit.com story about upcoming turbocharged GTS:
gtspirit.com/2016/06/22/2018-p...

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@adamnelson3378 6 жыл бұрын

This was a great video! I have been leaning towards to 991.1 for all the reasons you listed. Now, I need to find one! Thank you!

@Tokyuuu 7 жыл бұрын

Joe I'm beyond stoked that you are hanging on to your current GTS :) It's a work of art on wheels. Looking forward to the next update/follow up.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching! As you can tell, I love this car!

@Jorgehotwheels 7 жыл бұрын

Man nice video, and nice topic i love your GTS, im getting a 997, i know you had one, so a question here: while you had the 997, did you complain about anything is there something you would have changed about it? taking away the comparisson with the 991

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

No complaints. I loved my 997.2 C2S. Fantastic car. Plenty fast. Great on the back roads. Nice on long trips. I bought it certified pre owned and the previous owner had the Fabspeed intake and exhaust installed. So on long trips, the loud exhaust note can be fatiguing, but that was unique to my car. Normal exhaust, even in sport mode, wouldn't be that loud. No problems with the car whatsoever. Nothing failed. Prior to the 997, I had a Boxster S for 11 years and nothing ever went wrong with that car either.

@57gord 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a new video Joe always look forward to you and Nick Murray's stuff. Just wondering, what do you keep your tire pressures at? I'm now at 36psi front and 40psi rear on my snows, but it looks like there's a wide range depending on quite a few factors and I hear higher is not necessarily better....................even the dealer is kinda non committal about it.

@That8oySimba9302 7 жыл бұрын

It's such a small thing, but do you think it would be possible to fit the quad tip exhaust from your model onto the new Carrera 4 GTS model? I know if one could, they would have to change the diffuser. I've always performed the look of 4 tips and prefer them towards the outer edge of the diffuser rather than closer to the middle.

@lorenzmarquez8651 7 жыл бұрын

Good video. Appreciate the humble and sincere commentary. Considering the NA 991.1 GTS vs the 991.2 GTS, so the discussion is relevant for me.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Both are excellent cars. Although I haven't driven the 991.2 version yet, on paper, it looks like a great drive. If you want the latest, most powerful version, the 991.2 is the way to go. I really enjoy the 991.1 myself. It is such a fun car to drive and willing dance partner in the twisty roads. It puts a smile on my face. You could pick up a used one for less money than the new 991.2. But both are great.

@TuddecBMW 7 жыл бұрын

Based on what you said about what makes you enjoy driving I think you should keep your n/a 991.1 I do expect it to appreciate in value over time, especially your amazing spec.

@johnchen3 7 жыл бұрын

Definitely keep it. I'm keeping my 981 Boxster S for the NA engine too and the new 718 don't temp me at all. Unfortunately when I can finally afford a 911, there will only be turbo...

@anthonylessthanzero1498 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you're keeping your 2015 GTS! You can only go so fast on our Highways. I think 430 HP is more than enough. You have a strong chassis, engine and handling car with a lot of class and a great sounding naturally aspirated engine! P.S. And I love the front end air intakes of the front bumper much, much better!

@jorgekontor 7 жыл бұрын

One question why did you went for the PDK instead of the manual gearbox?

@skidmin 7 жыл бұрын

I also have a 911 GTS, Yellow, fully loaded with all possible options and absolutely LOVE IT - thinking of putting on a AWE exhaust for even more noise! Like it better than my previous Twin Turbo for everyday driving. Keep it!!

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, it's a keeper!!

@paulbailey5915 7 жыл бұрын

Keep the 991 GTS. It's so special and not many were made!

@mvernez 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Joe! I tried the new Porsche 911 991.2 GTS yesterday. The acceleration is incredible. It is really impressive. With the Launch controlI I had the hair of the forearms which bristled, I had shivers in the back. It had not made me this feeling with the 991.1. It goes very fast without noticing it. But it is distinctly less noise than what I have with the naturally aspirated engine. The noise with the 991.1 definitely is the best. You don't need to go fast to have a big pleasure. At the bottom it doesn't much matter to go quickly what counts it is feelings. Now that I know this difference I will definitely keep mine!

@locutusdborg126 7 жыл бұрын

This was a very interesting and insightful video. I really appreciated it. I am a former 911 owner.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

thanks so much for watching!

@soyee5037 7 жыл бұрын

You are right!!!!! Keep GtS I bought 4GTS (2016) last year and I am enjoying it every moment of sound of it. It is one of kind so keep it for good....... Can't beat naturally aspirated engine with turbo........

@That8oySimba9302 7 жыл бұрын

soyee "can't beat an N/A with a turbo" In what sense? We talking performance or preference?

@theporscheproject2136 7 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Do you find yourself using the paddle shifters much?

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Not as much as I would have thought. Again, I am used to driving a manual, so I thought I would use the paddles more. But the PDK is just so good about selecting the correct gear and it is very quick and responsive. It seems to read the situation right. For example, I was diving into a tight righthander and needed to scrub off speed quickly and it just kicked down the gears so fast as I as braking heavily. So smart. So I have been leaving it in auto lately.

@magellster 7 жыл бұрын

Joe first off, great video. Secondly, I would love to know about maintenance costs and any costs associated with maintaining the car or upkeep on the car.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

OK, thanks for watching and thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to hit that in the next video.

@anthonylessthanzero1498 6 жыл бұрын

Regarding your 991.1, I agree with you 110% !! KEEP IT!

@tim2468 7 жыл бұрын

Old vs new. If you can do it it's best to have both. I have an 1987 Targa and it is a unique experience vs my 2016 Boxster Spyder (911 engine) but I love them both and need both for a more complete experience. Good videos man!

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

That is great! I believe you when you say the "old" is a unique and positive experience and distinct from the new. I just love my buddy's 1991 Turbo! So much character and that sound is so unique. But the grass is always greener. He looks over at my GTS with admiration. Maybe that's the way we can have both! We enjoy each other's cars when we need a different "fix"!

@cyrilguo9907 7 жыл бұрын

991.2 gt3 will be 4.0 NA engine. I suggest you to get that car if you can. I think it will hold its value for sure

@williamscott67 7 жыл бұрын

Thinking about adding an elevated console lid arm rest at about $550 to my C4GTS. The new C4GTS comes with it as standard. Expensive for the item. What do you think?

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Elevated console lid arm rest? I am not familiar with how the .2 arm rest differs from the .1 version. In the photos I have access to on Porsche's site, the .2 looks so similar to the .1. If it makes you more comfortable, go for it. As long as it doesn't impede your driving.

@ronhunt2477 6 жыл бұрын

Joe, you have some great insightful videos here. I've watched both your first 911.1 vs 911.2 along with this follow up. But I have to say that I am a bit confused. How on earth can you list these videos as "comparison" videos when you freely admit that you've never driven a 911.2? Look, I am also a "car guy" always have been, but when I make comparisons, I believe it's important to make comparisons on actual experience rather than "hear say". Over the years I have had 3 911's, an "84 Carrera (which for investment reasons I wish I still had) a 2007 Carrera 4 S, and most recently a 2017 Carrera S. I have loved all of them, however, having put several thousand miles on each of the two earlier ones and nearly 500 miles on the new on, I can say hands down that my new 2017 Carrera S is by far and away the best Carrera I have ever had my hands on! It is a drivers car like no other! Your GTS is a great machine, and I can appreciate your hesitation about trading it on a new one. But if you're going to make comparisons that are believable, please actually drive a new 911.2 and then provide your comments based on that experience. Thank you.

@freud2695 6 жыл бұрын

Keep the NA. I think the GT cars will eventually go NA + hybrid as you'll get the sound and the power. All the others will have turbos.

@samuelsantiagoramirez1058 7 жыл бұрын

I think your 991 gts its the perfect 911 but lets see how the 991.2 gts looks and performs

@dons6087 7 жыл бұрын

Joe, granphite blue looks killer with the new black wheels that the 991.2 offers. Saw one on the floor here in Pa Mainline. My GTS is Mexico blue and gets a lot of attention at cars and coffee here in west Chester. Interesting that people are not brave enough to choose the colors that they love because of what other people think and thusly has effect on resale. I keep my cars for the long haul and ordered a PTS car because I wanted a car as spectacular as this GTS in the color that I love and never get board of it. I guess an option is wrapping if resale is an issue but that felt fake to me. Like giving your wife a CZ ring.u can see my car in a cars and coffee video by " don't call me bob " if you wish. It's a time lapse which is pretty cool on our meets.I have enjoyed your videos and unpretentious and insightful reviews

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, I think if you are buying a car, any car, get it the way YOU want it, not the way the next owner wants it. I don't want to sound dismissive of resale because I suppose it's a factor. But my feeling is if you are speccing the car you should get it the way that will make you happy. Especially at this price point. Hey, I will check out that video for sure. And thanks for watching!

@sdb87149 7 жыл бұрын

Real car enthusiasts are definitely very genuine. Doesn't matter how wealthy they are. Two quick examples from our local car show out near Seattle: 1) A man we actually made good friends with who owns a '91 Testarossa, '97 C4S and 944 Turbo. He is super friendly, always loves to share stories and talk to people about his Ferrari (that he brings to the shows), lets people sit in it, and took me for about a half an hour ride in it to lunch. 2) Greg Whitten- fmr Microsoft and billionaire car collector is very open to sharing with people about his collection and the different details and stories about them and events he's been to over the years. These are just 2 examples but I've definitely found this to be true that car people are extremely nice

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

I love that. For the first time I went to a few local cars and coffee meets and it was so much fun hanging out and talking to folks about their cars, my car, other folks cars and even cars the local folks don't even own. If there are mechanical or car care issues, there is usually someone around who could speak on the issue and offer helpful advice. And we can talk about topics beyond cars too but I find that people who are passionate about cars tend to be very friendly folks.

@sdb87149 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely. I love the car community. Cars truly do Unite People.

@Danny2k38 4 жыл бұрын

I just want to buy your car off you, it's fckn perfection

@v8ssf 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Joe, as you know I have a 991 4 GTS and have just ordered a 991 Turbo S Gen 2. If I could I would like to keep the GTS as well but don't know if I can afford them both. You are so right about the sound and overall package of the naturally aspirated engine

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Wow, a 991 Turbo S on the way!?! Amazing! That is truly one of the best cars in the world. Although I love my N/A GTS, a Turbo S is a whole different league! When are you taking delivery of it? Enjoy it when it arrives!!!

@v8ssf 7 жыл бұрын

Joe Hutchinson I take delivery March 17, I just can't decide on a colour, the dealership would like me to choose a colour to sample but I can't decide. I have chosen black interior with alcantara seat inserts/steering wheel and gear knob the same as our GTS's with yellow stitching and yellow dials and seatbelts. The exterior is so far GT Silver with high gloss black aero turbo body kit. I like your grey is it Agate Grey? What colour do you like? Thoughts on the new Graphite Blue?

@57gord 7 жыл бұрын

Wow do not go with yellow dials you will regret it. Why they even offer anything but black or white I don't know. Have you seen them at night ? But hey each to their own...........Not good for resale, if that's a consideration?

@v8ssf 7 жыл бұрын

Gordon Schwartz Hi Gordon, I haven't seen them at night, do they look terrible?

@57gord 7 жыл бұрын

I have not seen them, heard it's worse at night? But.............My salesman thought so, plus he said he thought it was too distracting, also mentioned the resale factor. Not that I was going for yellow or anything colourful, I went all black but with a white sport chrono........Red belts. Fun to build though eh?

@991RDC 7 жыл бұрын

Don't like the old ones for racing, too many issues with maintaining those cars at a race level. They eventually Time Out. I've owned 2 GT3's and now the 2016 991 GTS, will probably keep my GTS. Thanks for the insightful video.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. How does the 2016 compare to your previous GT3s? What era of GT3 did you have? And, what made you go for a current GTS since you previously owned GT3s? Just curious.

@991RDC 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Joe, I had a 2014 and sold it for a 2015 GT3. Sold the 14 because of the engine replacement. The GT3 is a bit different than the GTS with respect to a more visceral feel for me, and more track focused. I wanted the GTS, one because it's a great daily driver and I have 2 boys. I am lucky enough to drive both of them to school everyday in the GTS, and they love it!. I wanted the NA GTS, not the new 991.2 turbo. Not a turbo guy. The GM at Porsche of San Diego also said the depreciation for the 991.2 will be much greater than a NA GTS. I will keep the GTS and possibly add the 2018/2019 991.2 GT3 RS. You made the best move with buying the GTS, if I had to choose only one, the GT3 or GTS, it would be without any hesitation the GTS. Thank you, Rock

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

That all makes total sense to me. I totally get that a GT3 would have a more visceral feel. Wow, if you add a GT3 RS to your stable, you will have the best of both worlds! One of the best sports cars ever made in the RS plus the usability and fun of a GTS. Amazing combination!

@hobear637 4 ай бұрын

The difference between the 993 values and 991.1 values is rarity. They barely sold any 993’s, finding one in a specific spec is futile endeavor. They made hundreds of thousands of 991.1’s, plenty of supply to go around and they’re also very reliable and unlikely to go through heavy attrition.

@sinoperture 7 жыл бұрын

I outgrew my Audi TTS. I had that thing at the limit. Power, handling, everything. Now I have a 981 Spyder and I feel like a noob on the track and all skittish.....even though I did 8 seconds better on my first outing. So yes, I think you can outgrow a car when used for certain activities in motorsports.

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

I am sure you are right. With enough frequency you can become attuned to the behavior of your car and maximize your abilities. It just seems that with modern sports cars the limits are so much higher!!

@sinoperture 7 жыл бұрын

Joe Hutchinson True.

@maxpowers3732 6 жыл бұрын

Why not get a 991.2 GT3 with the manual transmission? Best engine with best transmission.

@Joe_Hutchinson 6 жыл бұрын

No question, the 991.2 GT3 is a great car. I'd love to track one of those. It would be a blast down a country road. Maybe one day in the future. For my use right now, doing long distance drives as well as those fun things in the country/autocross, I'll stick with the GTS. More all around use, which fits my needs right now. But that GT3 is super awesome!

@anthonylessthanzero1498 7 жыл бұрын

KEEP YOUR CAR! IT'S IN A CLASS OF IT'S OWN! There's a reason why I bought mine at that time and not a Turbo. The only way I would sell my 2016 911 GTS is to buy a newer Naturally Aspirated GTS. That is if Porsche would make one again. Which I serious doubt it will ever do. ENJOY your car! Tony

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

It is so awesome the GTS. So yes, I plan to keep it!!! Congratulations on your car purchase too!

@locutusdborg126 7 жыл бұрын

There is a difference between being fast and feeling fast. The older 911's feel fast.

@sdb87149 7 жыл бұрын

Locutus D'Borg Yeah for sure. 944s are pretty slow by today's standards but feel fast. Which is actually better when you wanna go fast. However the 488 is the opposite

@sammy50001 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly! My Corolla feels faster than any 911. So fast that you feel the car is going to take off on the freeway with side winds!

@ricaroel 6 жыл бұрын

Exactly, is better to feel than really go from my perspective, Is like when you look at a beautiful car and when you actually owned!!

@sinoperture 7 жыл бұрын

Your friends car needs a detail bad! Even from a distance the paint flaws are menacing!

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

You are right. There are a lot of swirls and imperfections on that black paint. I think black paint shows imperfections the most of any color.

@sinoperture 7 жыл бұрын

Joe Hutchinson I love black but I had enough of the maintennce headaches. So went GT Silver with the new Porsche.

@FITTOO 7 жыл бұрын

Rockland county !!!

@Joe_Hutchinson 7 жыл бұрын

That's right! Very pretty scenery there.

@UPHOTO75 3 жыл бұрын

The arguments about holding or increasing value are always silly. Yes, air cooled went up after the change to water cooled. Yes, 997 will hold value better or increase because it's the last of the smaller body and hydraulic steering. Yes, 991 will hold value or increase because of last of the NA cars. Yes, 991.2 will hold value TOO or increase because it will one day be the last of the non hybrid or electric or.......goes on and on.

@salangchoi02 3 жыл бұрын

well, most people love to own air-cool turbos. everyone is eager to own gt2rs. so what na engines about? well, the best porsche is the one you are driving.

@sinoperture 7 жыл бұрын

Try to trade your current GTS for another 991.1 GTS but with three peddles.