Yes. They don't make a bad car even a stripped out base model.

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Martin Espinoza I fully agree. great video

Daniel Maia Well said. What do you personally think Porsche will start doing in the future in regards to this?

To be competitive they will have to turbocharge everything, they already tried to shorten the cap by adding the all wheel steering but it wasn't enough. For the purists they will probably end up trying to cut weight with new and more expensive materials and build a NA flat 4 cylinder.

A good driver can use 9/10s of an GT3 911, you need to be a great driver to do that, but most people buy supercars or sportscars to show off that's why the big numbers really matters to the manufacturers. For example the Aventador is a selling success because it's loud, very powerful and good looking so people can do little accelerations in the city to show off. I personally rather have a less powerful car that I can reach its limits and learn how to be a better driver than have a very powerful car that I can't use most of its power and won't make me a better driver but it will make me look like a better driver like the Aventador for example.

So you never heard any journalist using this terms like 9/10s? It's simple 10/10 is the max that the car is capable, if you drive at 10/10 you would be basically be driving like a race driver pushing it to the limit, so if you have a Miata it's easy to do it because it's light and not powerful (that's why the Miata it's such a success, it's more gratifying to drive at higher levels like 9/10 or 10/10), but if you have a 458 Speciale you will need to be a way better driver to drive at its limits because they are higher so an average driver would drive it at 7/10 at max you won't be able to reach its limits because you don't have the skills and it scares you so you will drive it "safely", you respect the car, but by doing that besides being less grateful you will not be learning to drive better like you'd in a Miata because reaching the car limits push your limits. This being by the drivers perspective, they want to drive the car and have the most fun out of it, so they want to drive as close to 10/10s as possible. However, most of the consumers of these kinda of cars are not drivers and they are more interested in showing off (that's why Lamborghinis are a selling success) so the manufactures have to do want their consumers want, they want as much power as possible to be able to say their cars have it despite not being able to use it, in the end it's a business and the manufactures need to respond to what their consumers want. Porsche still one of the few manufactures that have a lot of "drivers" consumers so they respond more of it, but things are changing so more and more Porsche consumers are becoming more posers than drivers and to be able to compete with the 600+ base Ferrari Porsche needs a PDK, an all wheel steering and now to turbocharge the flat 6 that reached its limits at 500hp without blowing.

Daniel Maia LOL

Thomas Anglim Lagones i think it's just a mode selector.

Thomas Anglim Lagones Yes you can.

Pure conjecture; clearly you have never driven a Porsche.

Amin El That's where you're wrong. 996, early - modern Cayman/Boxter, and the 997. Have yet to have any friends pick up new modern 991's, but it's not something I really care for. The one I really can't wait for is the new 488. :-)

***** He's just peanut butter and jealous.

Hare Brahs The ring? What about the wheel! It's in a Porsche and on the wrong side! As a german i'm just fulfilling the cliché about being nitpicky and not funny. So there you go. Also don't mention the war!

Hare Brahs You know nothing, Hare Brahs

BullrockMcHammergeil fuck you

Hare Brahs I'll take "Missing jokes made in reference to my fucking profile pic" for 400, Alex.

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Ja'crispy Diablo i agree, the gt4 is absolutely great. but i'd have a hard time deciding between the gt4 and a lotus exige cup. for pure driving experience, nothing beats a lotus. for practicality, anything that's not an ariel atom beats the lotus...

Ja'crispy Diablo It's a better car anyways, lighter, more agile and it usually is faster around a track than most 911's because of this.

Theoretically for the price/fun relationship the GT4 destroys the GT3 and goes head to head with the GT3RS on the fun perspective, but Porsche gave every 918 owner priority on the list for the Cayman GT4 and limited its production enough that people that made the deposit for it may not get one. The Cayman GT4 value on the used market may go crazy high like the Ferrari 599 manual did.

You Lucky boy !

basshead972 It's coming in the 2018

Seige CJ 9000rpms and N/A on its way out the door and this is your prediction? Silly.

sportscentury (1) Electric steering which will feel outdated and numb with the relentless drive of progress making future systems better (2) No Mezger engine; the DFI has no connection to Porsches motorsport heritage and legendary GT1. (3) PDK system that will feel slow and dimwitted in about 2 years time. (4) The car is too wide to give the driver confidence to really explore the car on small b-roads. The previous incarnations of the GT3 are timeless cars, the 991 GT3 is a car of its time. In my opinion the 991 GT3 will be a fairly unloved GT3 in the future.

sportscentury (1) Electric steering which will feel outdated and numb with the relentless drive of progress making future systems better (2) No Mezger engine; the DFI has no connection to Porsches motorsport heritage and legendary GT1. (3) PDK system that will feel slow and dimwitted in about 2 years time. (4) The car is too wide to give the driver confidence to really explore the car on small b-roads. The previous incarnations of the GT3 are timeless cars, the 991 GT3 is a car of its time. In my opinion the 991 GT3 will be a fairly unloved GT3 in the future.

Seige CJ they're already worth more than what they sold new

Seige CJ So far the market has proven you wrong. By your logic, all older cars should depreciate, since manual gearboxes especially do not have greater performance...

candy-ass roodypoo " the sudden push for automatics over manuals in the media" Or maybe it's the fact that the people who actually buy these sort of cars want DCT's.. Maybe a moot point for the GT3 since it's never been offered with a DCT before but look at Ferrari and Lambo, less than 10% of their cars were sold with manual gearboxes the last few years they were offered. I very much doubt the buyers were swayed by any message in the media.

candy-ass roodypoo Your opinion doesn't matter. It has no weight in their decisions. If you were a consumer, then yes, your opinion would matter but you're not. Ferrari got rid of the manual since only 2% of the 599s were optioned with a manual. It's a waste of money.

Porsche Curves Given the outcry every time a manufacturer drops manual as an option on a new model, I always find myself wondering if a lot of people who are buying these things go "ra ra ra, I want a manual" and then find themselves checking the PDK when they are actually filling out the paperwork. As you say, it all comes down to statistics.

There is a reason manual 599s are selling for $600K+ and the 997 GT3 RS appreciated $50K after the 991 GT3 was announced as PDK only.

eeterp32 Because they are last of (Porsche) or they are rare (599). That is the only reason. They haven't increased in price because consumers want manual gearboxes in their cars. It's the same reason why Nissan isn't making the IDx. The internet talks about what they want but at the end of the day they are buying 10 year old Corollas. Buying used cars makes your opinion on what x automaker should make worthless. So, if you're buying used cars, don't talk about what the market should have.

Gt2 doesn't exist this generation

+karlmalone11 apparently they're making one.

Tempus Apache What's a corvette ?

Neil McMahon An automobile.

Tempus Apache Never heard of it.

Tempus Apache Spanks a Corvette. And has the bonus of not having a plastic interior and a Hot Wheels exterior. Next.

Tempus Apache I'm pretty sure the new ZO6 is a bit quicker.

Vega Rapidus You clearly didn't understand his analogy. Also, 99% of car reviewers wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the quoted Ring time.

Alin Marginean but my question remains... so why they review cars ? To understand the handling of a car you have to be talented isn t it ?

Vega Rapidus You also need another talent since they are not out just to with a gran prix. They need to relay to the viewer what the car feels like in relation to other and for that you don't need to be going flat out. A professional race car driver is worse than a drone when it comes to these kind of things. Just watch an F1 interview to see what I mean. Every sentence starts with "for sure".

Alin Marginean it depends of the type of driver I think u don t see my point. I was not speaking about pure laptime skills.

Vega Rapidus Check out Derek Bell. He won Le Mans and he also reviews cars but he is boring and less than insightful.