MC 12 is worth the risk and its a ron dennis product. Audi R8 is the only other real contender but would take a V8 with full options and use the change to track and tour it.

listenging to your criticism, the 997 turbo S is the one to take. its perfect for what it is inteded to do. its a civilised, comfy superbly built rocket that you can use every day

The Turbo S is still the best choice of the group.

You can't compare the gt3 rs to a turbo, one's a track focused car which can go on the road and one is a every day car and autobahn muncher which can be used for occasional track days.

Very interesting video. Last year I went through this exact process, with very similar reasoning. The McLaren 12c was high on my list, as was the 997 911 Turbo, Nissan GTR and even the Lexus LC500. Major reliability and repair issues with the 12c made me decide to watch that brand for a few years to see if newer models prove better. At age 56 I just don't see myself in the right social demographic to drive the Nissan GTR. 991.1 C2s and C4s quickly became my very serious focus for versatility and reputation of reliability. Then, I started noticing rave reviews for the 991.2 base model and I noticed the impressive torque figures that begin at very streetable low RPM. Slightly updated exterior styling, substantially improved interiors, more performance and convenience standard features in a Porsche that is less than 2 years old for the same or less money. The electric steering system is improved over the 991.1 and personally, I think it's perfect. I would of course be very proud if there were extra letters on the badging but what I've come to realize is that each subsequent generation of base 911 seems to perform as well as or better than the previous S models. Hopefully I'll pay this one off in a few years and can start considering a more exotic and exciting GT4, GT3 or McLaren to park next to it. But for now reliability and reasonable maintenance costs were a major factor. I apologize for the long post. Hope my experience is helpful to someone else out there. Cheers!

Really interesting! And just goes to show how hard it is to go past a 997 of any spec as an all rounder at that price point.

Lovely Jubbly, great to see you back, and your enthusiasm just talking about cars.

I've driven a 430 and a 997 Turbo and there's no way I'd choose a 430 over a Turbo. If all I had was narrow, damp British roads, maybe. But we grow our roads differently here in Northern California and a Turbo isn't boring. The real question is whether the 997 Turbo at $60-70k is worth 3x the price of my 996 cab. And check the highest miles examples of most of those cars for sale online. There's a reason why people don't drive them very much and 911's with 150k+ miles are common.

When I bought my 2018 991.2 Turbo S , I also drove the McLaren 570s and Ferrari 458 and the GT3, after 10 mins your really fill the harshness that’s why I went with the TTS it’s just more manageable for a daily drive. If your looking for excitement it will deliver just do a launch and get adrenaline rush it’s a crazy ride.

Great to see you back Jack! Love your style! What have you been up to? I’m not familiar with UK prices, but let’s be honest here, nothing comes close to the Porsches in practicality and trustworthiness. The GT4 is a pain to get in and out of with the bucket seats and harnesses in the way. The GTS is lovely, but to me looks a little dated compared to the 991.2, so here’s the thing: what about a Carrera T? It’s shouty, it’s raw, it’s mechanical, it’s reliable, it’s manual, it’s trackable, it’s possible to daily, it can be found as a four seater. It’s perfect, but not sure about the budget?

5:32 The 997 turbo s was NOT AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION! It was exclusively available with the PDK 7 speed automatic.

Hi Jack, GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK! Good video as well, as always. Here's my tuppence worth.... 997 Turbo S, I would spend less and get a 996 turbo, perhaps I am an odd ball but I much prefer the 996, or even a 996 GT3 comfort spec. 991 GTS. I test drove a lot of these and the later 991.2 are very rapid but the turbo runs out of steam at high rev's. The manual box in the .2 is also a 7 speed box which is awful, as is the one in the Carrera T (another option). The .2 is perhaps the only car I would take 2 pedals over 3. The .1 GTS is altogether different and comes with a 6 speed manual. For me its the pick of the 991 GTS's, get the full GTS option pack, carbon folding buckets and a pano roof and joy of joys However while still on Porsche if you don't need need a 2+2 then the GT4 is so much better, in fact the 981 Spyder is even better again! Its a convertible (roof is not a faff its 15 seconds), has a 3.8L NA flat 6, a standard 6 speed (not 7 thank goodness) manual box, mechanical LSD and can be had with the buckets seats and CCB if you so wish. So good is the 981 Spyder I bought one over all the GTS's I tried. It has 2 boots for touring and I can confirm an easy 30mpg touring ability. Did I mention the noise! One of the best! The CSL, I have been in one but not driving. The gearbox was awful and it didn't feel that quick had no suspension at all. Don't get what the fuss is about, get a CS with a manual box or even a standard M3 and fettle it. GTR never been in one I can't get over the look of the interior, one for the PlayStation generation possibly. Also hear bad things about reliability, no denying they are quick but not for me. Likewise Audi R8, sure it's a nice car but that's what Audi's do, nice cars, I have an S5 and can't fault it as a daily but never driven an Audi with good steering or any feedback. AM V12, been in a few and again leave me cold, don't handle that well and for a V12 don't make a good enough sound that would make me happy to be averaging 13mpg when touring. Evora, difficult one as tried a few myself and the engine is magnificent but I ended up in an Exige 430 CUP which I found MORE comfortable and much nicer to drive. The sound they make is epic, really in the top 5 road cars ever made. I would certainly have the Evora on my short list (and did) but the Exige twisted my arm. Ferrari.....never again, been there, melting interiors, horrendous maintenance costs, not that fast, just not worth the agro. As for being a better daily than a 12C, no way! Have to disagree with you BIG TIME on that. Would have a Cali T over a 430 but only if I had to. Sagaris, yes, its wild, if you could why not! Would need to swallow a big brave pill and make sure the engine has had all the improvements. TBH I would quite happily take a Tuscan (not an S) at 30% of the cost and be almost as happy. If they don't work then you can always just look at them and that's fine ;-) finally The 12C. IMHO its the pick of the bunch alongside the GT4 / Spyder. it's rocket ship fast, looks stunning, has a big boot, again will tour at 30mpg and its a peach of a car. Put aside everything you have heard about reliability because get a warranty for the 1st year by buying from McLaren or privately with a warranty transfer and if anything has not been sorted it will be sorted. As you say Thorney can do almost all the out of warranty repairs now. The corrosion issues have all been sorted and the new wings / panels fitted to most cars are all fine. Change the hose clips and away you go. They are eminently usable as a daily, more so than most on the list being comfy, economical with a big boot and perfect view out & vision. The 12C is actually the smallest McLaren made (yes its smaller than a 570!). I know several owners who use daily and some with 70k+ miles on then clock, try that in a Ferrari 430! I made the leap back recently after selling my 12C and now have a 675LT so the 12C experience didn't wound me as much as my Ferrari experience. For what it costs the 12C is an utter bargain, it will make any Ferrari of the same vintage, even a 458, seem slow, it has a CF tub and loads of innovative design. At £70k with a 1 year warranty it has to be the most exciting option. So for £70 - £75k:- 1) = 12C (for the digital fans) 1) = 981 Spyder (for the analogue fans) 3) 981 GT4 4) Evora / Exige 410 5) Sagaris (with a brave pill & back up car) 6) 991.1 GTS manual 7) 996 GT3 comfort spec 8) 996 GT2 with high miles on a good day just about 9) There is no (9) buy a MK1 MX5 and spend £70k having loads of holidays, fun & 2 years off work.

He chose the right car, just the wrong 'friend' to review. Zero respect for the Turbo S and giving it a thumbs down over an Audi R8 about sums you up sir. If I had a friend that recently spent that much on a car they adored and I did a video a week later on it with the theme of 'wow this money could have been spent on something more exciting' - I would have to consider myself to be a first class douche bag. Poor form indeed.

Great to see you back mate. I am so envious at how cheap exotic cars are over there. In Aus the cheapest 997.2 Turbo S is AU$230k which is around 120k GBP.

If he'd bought a manual, it would be much more fun imo.

A 997 turbo with an aftermarket exhaust and a stage 2 tune is just amazing. Nothing beats it in terms of performance and fun for the money

GT3RS may be more emotional, but when it comes to hard facts Turbo S is hard to beat.

Really useful video, thanks! I’m currently in a gt4 and considering a turbo for the extra seats and usability. Prices have climbed in the last couple of years but this video is still relevant with some great alternatives.

Smiling while bashing the car..... Best car I have ever owned......

Keep them coming mate because we have missed the on point un polluted motoring journalism 😎👍🏽so if your gonna hit the road Jack 🎥take us along for the ride

You did a good explaining why the Porsche 911 Turbos S is the logical choice. A lot of great and exciting automobiles which would be great to own, but power, high speed, controllability, drivability, reliability, usability, clarity of design, bring the Porsche to the front, unless it is your 2nd, 3rd or 4th car. Would also love to own the Ferrari, McLaren and Cayman GT4 in that order.

Great to see you back here Jack...everyday car I’d go for the Nissan but my god for the money (and my heart) it’s has to be the Ferrari ❤️❤️

I've become somewhat familiar the British car world, here on YT. But I'm far from being an expert. One thing; you guys all seem to be comfortable with stunningly expensive cars. Maybe that's of necessity. Here in America, we have all kinds of affordable options that don't seem to figure in your market. I am personally not able to even consider the cars you covered here. They all cost more than my house. For my money (literally), the Chevrolet Corvette is the option of choice. They're full of personality and excitement, very fast and well-balanced, affordable to buy, reliable, and affordable to run / maintain / repair. Kind of like a sensible TVR, I suppose. I'm OK without premium interior materials and an endless list of luxuries. It's just a sports car to me, a toy, the point of which is a visceral and engaging driving experience. That, it delivers in spades. Even an old one like mine. It's plenty fast enough, with a mountain of torque right from idle and enough horsepower to obliterate any speed limit on any road in the land. Braking is fully up to the challenge, all responses are sharp, and handling is excellent. Driver ergonomics (once you get past the high sills and maneuver inside) are among the best I've ever experienced. The shifter is a beefy-feeling joy. Seats are comfortable and the ride is firm but not harsh. It's also reasonably practical, with decent storage capacity, etc. The standard targa roof is a treat. And I think it's gorgeous to look at. You'll notice that I haven't specified what year or even generation my car is from. Well, it doesn't matter, really. Here in the US, there is a Corvette for ANY reasonable budget. When new, any generation Corvette was a competitive sports car in terms of performance and livability, if optioned appropriately. It has always been a solid value. It IS very 'American' in its execution and personality and, like any iconic car, it isn't for everyone I suppose. Since it doesn't seem to be an option over there, I should really apologize for missing the mark by even bringing it up. But I'm quarantined and bored, so I did it anyway. I'll stop now.

You need to do more vid reviews. I am tired of some these YTers who are clueless about cars doing reviews.

The Evora 410 has the new model 400 sill making it very easy to access compared with the early Evora that you owned...the engine is incredibly reliable and responsive and the sound..build quality is now very good worth a look

cayman over a 911 turbo S LMFAO

Nice vid. and great to see you back! One of the better KZfaqrs! For me it would be the 430. You only live once... But I'd also consider an Aston Vantage V12. Back to basics and got to be up there in the special stakes. Keep em coming!

997 is a gentleman's car if you want crazy you get the gt3

good to see you back, hope all is well.

It’s a fantastic car but make sure you put plenty of pennies to one side for when the turbo actuators fail, because they will. And you’ll need to replace the whole thing - in a matched pair.

Glad you’re back! Hope you keep them coming. Good idea for a video.

I’ve come to the following as the fundamental major categories of vehicles people should own depending on which use scenarios apply. They are listed in top-down order of prolific use to more specialized use. You can blend vertically adjacent uses but at the compromise of the capability of both. 1. Daily driver/small hauler A2. Large hauler (e.g. SUV or minivan) A3. Special Utility/tow B2. Sports car (e.g. 911 Turbo) B3. Track car (e.g. 911 GT3RS, or other highly prepared street car, formula)

Welcome back! Great start to the weekend.... first thing I watched over breakfast here in California.

It’s missing a manual shift. That alone will make it an exciting car. A drivers car...and an every day car.

GTS or GT4. Probably would go for the GTS for everyday use. Both sound great and much more involving than the Turbo. 👍

Most of the cars you recommend offer short term thrills which quickly pass, coupled with ££££’s servicing and trouble. Once you learn to appreciate what the 997 turbo S does, the layers of incredible engineering and driver enjoyment, which only happens with time behind the wheel, you will recognise it as one of the true super car bargains of the new decade.

I have owned a 997 TT and now own a 991 TT. The 997 TT is great if it is has the PDK or manual.

I would prefer the 997 turbo s

Welcome back, I think comparing this with the gt3 rs is a bit silly really, completely different cars for a different kind of driver,the turbo is a touring car the rs is a racing car, and I'd take the f430 over everything else . .it's a Ferrari, it's a no brainer cheers from new Zealand..

Can't believe how cheap that 430 is, with a manual transmission! Those are over $200K here in the US. That's the one I'd recommend, unless he's going to be sitting in heavy traffic a lot.

The Most Underrated 911 Turbo S

you drive the 997 Turbo S like a granny. this car is a beast

As a daily? - I don't need 4 seats, I would go for the GT4, for sure

Shocking conclusion: driving a GT3RS on the track is more exciting than driving a Turbo S in the rain. Sorry for the snarky comment, but that's pretty much what you said without reviewing the Turbo S at all :(

The Ferrari is a great price but the cost of that first tune up would stop me. 997 is the way to go.

The 911 Turbo S is a pretty sanitary vehicle, though with scary speed, but with the 6MT it is much more engaging, and not to mention more of a handful at speed.

I’ve thought about most of these cars at one time or another. One aspect of a daily driver that people seem to overlook is storage capacity. A car can’t be a daily driver if it won’t hold the stuff you need on a daily basis and that will vary from person to person. I need a car that will hold a regular-sized golf bag. That excludes the Cayman GT4 which will not accommodate a golf bag . For others, the space in the GT4 might be fine. I love a manual, but if you spend a lot of time in traffic, a manual might not be a suitable daily driver. People extol the virtues of NA engines, but a lot of these engines have their power in the middle or upper band of the torque curve. Again, this is fine on the track where you can keep the car at a constant boil, but on the street that kind of engine can be a PITA. Again, it depends on the driving conditions you normally encounter. For my tastes and driving conditions, I would opt for a Porsche 991.2 GTS with a manual. I believe Porsche fixed a number of issues with the 991.1 and the 991.2 with the turbo has the low-end torque that the NA 991.1 lacks. But that is just me.

No one of mentioned cars is competition for absolutely beautiful and outstanding 997 turbo S .I personally think that 997 turbo S is the best car made in that century yet .

Maybe 997.1 GT3? Similar price range?

Lotus reliability is really not that bad; think you missed a top choice, there.

Great review.. Appreciate it ..

As a daily from those two it would have to be the GT4, wouldn't want to even think of the Ferrari's running costs. Personally the GTS in manual would get my vote.

I'd have the F430, DBS or Evora. Would stay well clear of the 12C.

Nice to see you making content 👍

I nearly bought a 997 turbo. But I also wanted a convertible for the summer. So in the end I got a Ferrari 360 spider. That does booths jobs, and looks even better than the Porsche. Also Porsches are a bit common. Very happy with the 360... although I do tend to use it only in the summer when the sun's out. The rest of the time I've got a sensible Range Rover as my daily driver, and a 997 C4S Gen 2 PDK coupe when I want to drive something nice but the sun is not out.

So the turbo engine response isn’t as immediate as the normally aspirated GT3..... umm... hardly a revelation. And the suspension lacks directness - but then you have just said you’ve deselected the sport suspension..... doh. Is this whole video going to be you stating the blindingly obvious?

Turbo S is two classes over all this cars mentioned. In any category.

Just got your videos and found this one on the 911. Technically it is a great car but lacks emotion and character. I was interested in various Porsches but end up with a Jaguar F Type R with an amazing supercharged 550 hp engine. No turbo lag and AWD. Yes a bit heavy but drives beautifully as a daily or tearing up the back roads with it in Dynamic mode with the exhaust wide open.

Wow, crazy to see a manual F430 for 80k GBP (about 100k USD)... they’re about double that here in the states, simply because of the transmission. Maybe a bit cheaper lately but I’ve seen them going for as much as $300k in the last few years, while the F1 box was in the low 100s

I'd stick with the 911 Turbo S. You can't go wrong!!!

It's really good to see you back mate, I miss watching your vintage Porsche videos. This car is absolutely king of the road while the GT3-RS is king of the track. Even though it's more of a GT car I would choose the Mercedes AMG over this one. Hope to see you again soon!

Think a newer PDK GT3RS would certainly offer the edge he’s looking for no doubt.

RENAULT 5 TURBO

Funny enough this popped up on my you tube feed been thinking of splashing out on a 997 turbo

Thank you. Very knowledgeable and enjoyable review. However the running costs vary wildly; e.g. the Aston service intervals compared to the Porsche are half the mileage and twice the labour cost making the Aston 4x more expensive, without comparing mpg and depreciation. Someone once said, “If you need to ask the price then you can’t afford it.” Currently a scale model is too… A major repair on the McLaren (apparently can run into 5 figures 😨😱🥶) Doesn’t impact on the entertainment when things are good or your post. 👍

I’m looking at an upgrade for my current C63 and have always dreamed of a 997 Turbo, I know logic does not really apply when it comes to supercars but logically it’s the best car out there for performance, something to be said about a reliable 2 door car that has iconic 911 shape and can run 10 second 1/4 Miles with minor mods yet still pick up groceries on the way home.

The car you should buy instead is absolutely the 996 Turbo. The same Mezger engine, better styling, no camshaft issues, and mechanical AWD instead of all the nannies.

As a daily/all-rounder, I'd take the 997 Turbo S PDK. As a weekender, I'd take either the Ferrari F430 manual or the McLaren 12C (or other McLaren). However, as I am writing three years later, I think the F430 manual has dramatically appreciated, so is no longer a comparative option. As a weekender, I'd seriously consider the R8 V10 instead. I note the 997 Turbo S PDK has appreciated 5-10% in those three years. Personally, I think I'd now try to find a 991.1 Turbo S, which are negligibly more expensive at this time, as I think such would make a better daily/all-rounder. On the other hand, maybe a 'lesser' 991.2 model, while less powerful, could be a more engaging daily driver. But, if your daily commute is short, and you don't need the added practicality of the 911, a McLaren would be more special, and the R8 V10 would deliver more aural pleasure.

997 GT3?

I will certainly go for the Audi R8, but only the V10's engine. Delicious monster.

Very strange! I thought i might learn something and he basicly offert crap in exchange for that awsome porsche😂 you need to realy start learn about porsches mate!

It's so good, so usable, so easy to drive it lacks excitement, Summed it up perfectly. I took one out on a private test track and said the same to my girlfriend. Just wasn't exciting to drive. The last 911 I drove was a 964 3.6 Turbo, with a sports exhaust, That was scary, loud, and exciting to drive.

Isn't the 430 V8 a flat plane crank? Sounds totally different to the Maserati.........anyway, nice problem to have, choosing between those!

Thoroughly enjoyed the review and great see other alternatives being shown.

I agree that a factory spec 997 turbo is a bit spongy in handling and with the power level at 500+bhp is about acceptable. However, as a starting platform for modifications, it has a far higher potential than any of the alternative vehicles you selected and one can turn a 997 turbo into a complete beast that will keep up with all the top modern supercars. I speak from experience as I pilot a 997.2 twin turbo 6 speed manual modified with full engine bolt ons making an est 725+bhp (600 wheel hp/dyno confirmed) with full coil-over suspension/monoball camber plates/adjustable sway bars/and an aftermarket computerized suspension management unit. Every person who’s taken a ride in my 997.2 turbo has stated that the experience is simply mental. Also, cheers on the great review which I felt you’ve portrayed very fairly on a 997 turbo. It does have its few shortcomings, which a bit of modifications can resolve.

In terms of get in and go anywhere under the radar, in comfort with ballistic speed the turbo S just cant be beaten, Mercedes e63S 4 matic wagon comes close on some levels perhaps. But the Turbo S just doesn't get any attention. R8 does, GTR does, Ferrari forget about it.

Had one of those in manual....a brut, in the dry with the big tyres it (dry) plains and will wheel spin up on very very smooth tarmac, but it goes like....sh*t off a shovel....You will have to own or at least drive one of these if you can’t afford the Ferrari. It’s not a daily Sainsbury’s run to the shops car.....next pick would be the F430...but not silver yucky colour

Welcome back, I enjoy your videos as you don't preach or pontificate!! I've recently been going through similar machinations. I have a 993C2 manual and been looking to upgrade. For about the same money I can get a 993 Turbo with low miles or a 991 GT3. The GT3 is more hardcore but the 993 is more rare and seems to have more of a sense of occasion when you get behind the wheel, perhaps due to its idiosyncrasies. One consideration for me when buying a car is the exit strategy, my feeling is the 993T will hold its value better than a GT3, as there is less of them on the road. What's you view?

Perhaps the PDK dulls the charm...?

997 ticks all the boxes for me as a daily. Close second GT4, both will hold their money. Third would be between the GTS & R8

Manual 430!! Classy spec as well

Omg you alive👋🏻

Thanks, I enjoyed this video. Interestingly, prices for 2006/7 997 C2S/C4S are now in the £25-30k range (for a reasonable one) and similar money would buy a 2017 Audi RS3. If you find yourself with free time I would love to see that comparison!!

CSL over a 997.2 Turbo S ?!?! Just the SMG in the E46 is enough to rule it out. If you manual swap the CSL, then it becomes more interesting... but then for that money you could add another 100hp to the Turbo S... Porsche still wins... especially with a mild tune.

I owned a 997 turbo and sold it for a 430. ok the turbo may be a better car but it doesn't compere to the Ferrari as far as drivers satisfaction. sitting behind the wheel of the 430 is definitely more fun

Great to see you back Jack 🙂 really enjoyed watching number 27 again and I'm in total agreement I'd take the 12c really cool car! Keep the videos coming if you can buddy and happy new year 👍👍

I reckon because the car was essentially bought as a daily driver, you have to only consider dailies for the comparison. Therefore my choice would fall between the Audi R8 and the Aston while I'd throw in the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio as a leftfield choice.

Save your money, 987s,981s...mid engine, practical,,,,and fantastic....convertible, manual.I’ve had mine for ten years . I work all over Europe drive everywhere...I love my car......

FIRST TIME SEEN YOUR VIDS, HAVE SUBSCRIBED. LOOK FORWARD TO GOING BACK TO FIND YOUR PREVIOUS WORKS AND ALSO TO NEW RELEASES. GREAT TO SE YOU MENTION THE TVR. WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOME COMPARISONS BETWEEN THESE AND OTHER SIMILAR ODDBALL MACHINERY. GOOD WORK.

Thanks for your review and comparison. Very illustrative. 997.2 tts for me pls. I’m in California as well and I daily mine. Perfect and very engaging for spirited canyon carving on weekends (miss a manual gearbox here but just a little as the paddles are pretty engaging at speed), easy on rush hour commute and beautiful for a dine out date. Super reliable so far. My second option was a gt4 but at the time they were overpriced and I’ve seen too many issues with the strut mount area on the chasis fracturing. This will keep me well away from those. Also, gt4s have a very long 2nd gear, for a winding canyon road, you don’t need to shift at all. And... For tracking? Motorcycles.... nothing more engaging that that in my opinion. :)

Welcome back, keep posting great videos like this!!

Ferrari California is more of a direct competitor to the Turbo S than most. Four seats(ish) naturally aspirated if go for the early ones, good reliability, cheapish service costs compared to most ferraris, plus can lower the roof in good weather and seem to be holding value at the lower end of the market.

The McLaren is cheap to buy, but the maintenance can bankrupt you, if you are unlucky. Still, I agree with you about the looks, I much prefer the 12C to all other McLarens, other than possibly the P1 in black.

I'd go with the new 718 Cayman 4.0 GTS! Should be better as a daily driver than the 981 GT4, and for that money it's a new car with warranty rather than a 10-15 year old car. OK so it's not in the same league as a Ferrari or Aston or McLaren, but with 400bhp in a lighter mid-engined car I'd bet it's just as entertaining to drive, if not more so. But then I'm biased - I have a 981 Boxster S with an LSD and it's just amazing - I just wish it had more power!

Buy a 997 GT2 or a 997 GT3 RS for sure...but you will have to spend from 150k to 200k

Drive a 3 pedal 997 turbo and redo this video.

Would take the 997 turbo S over all of them. There are more reasons not to take any of those listed ones.

You could probably liven the 997.2 turbo s with an exhaust and a few suspension adjustments. That said, my money would go towards the GT4 or a 996 GT3. As he went for a turbo though, I’d assume he wants something a bit more usable, so perhaps the R8 V10 or 991 GTS may be more suitable

I own a 997 Turbo manual and would not trade it for any of the given options. My car is fast, exciting and handles well but also docile and happy to pootle around town in.

The down side on all the other comparisons makes me think the 997 T is the better car. I got to have reliability, Not a problematic money pit. 997 for me thanks