Kyle: This is the review I was waiting for. Thank you so much! I'll tell you why. I have a previous generation Cayenne that is my wife's car and I drive a Model 3 Performance. Her Cayenne is getting up there in age and we're looking at replacement. She has loved it and sees nothing else that is more compelling out there. We have considered getting her a full BEV however living in TX we do frequently take longer trips. Trips within TX aren't that bad with Tesla but 1. I worry about the CCS DCFC network based on comments from Taycan and ETron owners around here and 2. Having put some of our trips into A Better Route Planner, I realize that the charging time would start to significantly impact how long we'd be on the road for some of these. Sure, we could do the BEV thing but then we'd rent something like an Expedition for our family trips and be in one of those for hours (or up to two days) at a time instead of a Cayenne. And with 20 plus miles of real world range, plus the option of the 7.2 kW charger, I believe she could do 95% of her daily driving on the battery, and likely the only time the ICE would fire up would be on the long uphill ramp to the short stretch of highway she takes on the way to work. I sent your video to a friend who has a Cayenne Turbo S EHybrid and has put 14k miles on it. He's also owned 6 Teslas and currently owns a Taycan Turbo. His thoughts: everything you said is 100% consistent with his long term experiences over the last 14k miles. While he dreams of the upcoming Macan EV, he relishes that he can take his Cayenne up and down the West Coast without having to stop to charge. He's done several 500 mile trips in his Taycan (and tracked it multiple times!) and is a total gear head so I 100% trust his experiences. He thinks you absolutely nailed the plus sides of the E Hybrid. One thing he noted that you might experience with more mileage: even when the battery is "depleted", the car takes every occasion to shut off the ICE: coasting, braking or the first part of a stop light. It'll keep the ICE off as long as possible even if the battery is too low to provide EV only tractive power. It never fully depletes the battery and is running at the low end of the pack using torque fill, keeping the ancillaries running, etc. He says it's as seamless as you experienced. I know you have questions on why someone would opt for a PHEV over a BEV. Hopefully this ICE / BEV owner's perspective can give you a bit of a use case that makes sense to you. I've done some 500 mile days in my Tesla and can say that with two kids and a not-as-patient-as-Alyssa wife, more than two charging stops on a full day trip would start to wear on them. And we live in the South where cruising speeds are in the 80 plus range so the most I've ever gotten out of my M3P is about 200 miles at a steady 80 MPH cruise (that's only 5 over the posted limit on that road for the safety police; I'm not even in the passing lane at that speed). Cheers and thanks for the excellent review! (P.S. one clarification on what you said: the Panamera hybrid comes in base e-hybrid, S and Turbo S variants; the Cayenne only comes in e-hybrid then jumps to Turbo S for the next electrified step)

I have a Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid, and love it. Can do most of my commute in electric (about 35 miles) if I want. Has enough power for commuting and mountain roads, with the smoothness and silence of electric. For road trips I get 30 MPG with the ease of refueling of an ICE vehicle (and no range anxiety or charger nonsense). Oil changes every 15,000 miles or more, brake usage is essentially non-existent due to regen. Only negative is losing the stow-and-go 2nd row seating, but in return you get better 2nd row fixed seats. If you have a family, it's an amazing vehicle. I'm a huge fan of the plug-in hybrid model (also drove a Ford Fusion Energi as a loaner when my GT350 was getting an oil cooler recall performed). That experience is what led me to the Pacifica Hybrid. Great review of the Cayenne! Porsche does a great job putting in the effort to do things right. Thanks for all the great content.

Kyle did you ever drive a Chevy Volt? 294 lb ft of torque. I used to get about 50 miles of range on electric only. You never needed to lock it in the "pure electric mode" the gas engine/generator worked only when it was running out of battery. It sucks that GM got rid of it. It was a great 'entry level' ev

Biggest advantage of a PHEV is the freedom of not needing a plug. It can be plugged in and used like an EV when needed, and it can also behave like a normal car, no headache trying to find a charging station and wait to be charged on road trips. Best of both worlds.

The key word for this video is “optimize”. Porsche has optimized the pedal feel, transmission, and motor efficiency for this vehicle.

Still love my 2018 Chevy Volt. It's a solid PHEV.

My Lexus 450h+ has a 6.6kWh on board charger. 37 mile range, 38 mpg. More electric range is always welcomed, but beats that Porsche range by far. My biggest complaint is a lack of chargers in Oregon and Washington that doesn't cost more than gas to use.

(3:20) ... you're correct that PHEVs don't have electric motors that are very powerful and don't have battery packs that give a huge amount of range. But the best PHEVs (Volvo Extended Range vehicles; RAV4 Prime) give decent range (40-50 miles all-electric range at speeds < 45 mph, which is how most people use them), all drive in all-electric to 85 mph, and give decent power for local urban driving. The forthcoming 2024 upgrade to the Porsche E-Hybrids (including the Cayenne) will have a 26-kWh battery pack and give purportedly up to 50 miles of all-electric range (presumably urban, non-highway-speed driving), with an 11-kW onboard charger. It also sounds like you drive much more than the average person, Kyle, on a daily basis -- so while PHEVs may be perfect for many/most people, I can see how you would not see it so useful to you (especially in Colorado, where distances to get anywhere are so vast). You mention earlier in this video, Kyle, about PHEVs being a "gateway" to BEVs, but they are really more of a "bridge" to BEVs for those many of us who want to drive around locally in all-electric but also do frequent long road trips and don't want to deal with public-charging infrastructure (and many of us don't have the garage space or money to have both a nice BEV for local driving and something nice with an ICE in it for those road trips). So my wife and I each have our own PHEVs for driving locally in all-electric and for our separate frequent (monthly) road trips when we don't/can't charge. Good PHEVs are perfect for so many people. As much as I'd like to get a BEV now, I can't justify it for a few more years until the public-charging infrastructure (which you complain lots about) is much more robust and healthy -- maybe a decade from now. I can't wait to see your video of the forthcoming 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid, which will be way different from the one you review here.

Between my girlfriend and I we've owned 3 PHEV's. From a power and practicality standpoint, I much prefer the "eCVT's"(Honda Clarity being my favorite). I could easily achieve 50-60 miles of EV range(~4miles/kwh), and can drive for months without kicking on the ICE. I was consistently seeing 55mpg while driving the car exclusively in hybrid mode. I sold my Clarity last year and have since been driving a Santa Fe PHEV. Similar to the Porsche, it has a ~100hp 260lb/ft pancake motor mated to a 6spd transmission. After driving both drivetrain types, I feel Hyundai sacrificed fuel efficiency and power by opting for a more traditional drivetrain setup; however, I can see the appeal for traditional automakers since you arent necessarily retooling the factory in order to accommodate the changes. Personally I believe PHEV's play an important role for people stuck in the middle, some of us simply do not have the accessibility and convenience of a powered garage, or drive a short enough distance where a 30-50 mile range battery covers 95% of our annual driving. I think they are a wonderful blend of fuel efficiency optimization, with the ability to opt for electric on your shorter commutes. Not once have I ever had to stress about negotiating a trip to the gas station(or charge station when the garage was being utilized for a project), they are great vehicles.

The Volt was the better way to do a PHEV, where the electric side had more power than the ICE.

Great vid and timely. I just ordered a Cayenne e hybrid and the only concern I had was the potency of the electric motor and transition. I fell a lot better. 28miles will get me 2 days of driving and no worries about charging on weekend trips.

Reminds me a lot of our Ford Fusion Energi! The engine/motor/transmission setup is the same with electric all the way up to 85 mph. Oddly I really like the CVT pairing well in the fusion because you never feel the "torque dip" you were mentioning. I do like that 30% engine kick in on the Porsche though because the engine kicking in on the fusion for those passing moments can be startling!

I’m glad you brought up the cold start issue. I treat my cars the same way. Always would be concerned about the “warm up” phase of the engine. Porsche seems to have thought of this and mechanically a better long term solution and far more seamless.

You nailed it, Kyle 😊. I do wish there were more cars (more broad-market segment than Porsche) using a range-extended EV gameplan: 99% EV-biased, with the ICE simply keeping the batteries topped up for road trips and emergencies. Let today's compact & powerful electric motors provide ALL the propulsion, and then both the battery & ICE can be light & simple.

Ive had my Volvo V60 T6 hybrid for two years, it does 80mph on electric power, it has real 45km of range (50-55 if you really drive slow)… 87 hp electric motor is plenty powerful enough for everyday driving…. Love the car and it totaly makes sense nowdays. The refreshed ones have 150hp electric motor, 75 km real range (90 km claimed). Do about 75% of my driving on electric only and for longer journeys petrol engine drives the wheels

After 7 Tesla's got tired of poor build quality and just wanted a change. Ordered a Taycan and one of these (I got used to sitting up high in my MX). Having been a mostly electric family since '13 (though we did have a Range Rover too) I was super nervous about a drivetrain this complicated but I honestly love this thing - though the infotainment needs a Tesla engineer to give it an overhaul. Mine is a '22 with the larger battery pack and even with 22's I can easily get all of my driving done on the pack ~30 miles/charge. I did opt for the 7.2kwh charger and it does make a HUGE difference since I top off between errands quite a bit. According to my Porsche app I've done ~65% of my driving on pure electric and that is with the 500 mile road trip I took driving it from Wilmington NC to ATL. Like you, I get nervous about having an ICE go full throttle from cold so honestly most of my 'ICE Mileage' has been me warming the engine/fluids when I know I'm going to exceed my EV range or literally just warming fluids so they wouldn't become gelatinous on freezing winter days (we got it in Dec. '21). I do wish Porsche would have engineered a way to precondition the fluids, etc. when preconditioning the cabin - surely there's some waste heat somewhere to do that.

I vastly prefer to drive my Prius Prime in EV mode, especially in the city because it has so much low end torque. In EV mode it will stay in electric only until the battery is exhausted. However range is limited as it only has a 7.2kw useable battery capacity and a ~35 mile range. It is also true that I want to have a pure BEV for my next vehicle. I'm averaging about 62us MPG when in hybrid mode.

My e hybrid I use as my daily 26 mile commute.Electric in heavy town traffic hybrid mode on motorway.Achieve 27 range perfect combination.no range anxiety perfect

In my 2013 Volt in the Midwest I get high 40's miles per charge in summer, low 30's in the winter, local driving (I don't economize on heat in winter). Great car, use gas only for long trips. Over the past 9 1/2 years battery has lost about 10 percent - used to get low 50's in summer.

We have an XC90 T8 Recharge (PHEV). The electric motor is plenty fast enough for local and/or city driving in the UK where journeys are a lot shorter and much more local than in the US. It doesn't do much, (30 miles max) but we find on a normal weekly basis: the range on pure electric is absolutely fine for errands and we often get 95-98% electric-only use. Hybrid mode works brilliantly on longer journeys. In regen (B mode), it definitely extends the pure electric range and I've managed to get more than 30 miles from it driving carefully and doing a lot of regen/coasting. The power driving mode also is blisteringly fast considering the cars size. Currently we manage a combined fuel consumption of 56.4 MPG, from a huge PHEV, that we fully utilise for it's boot space and extra seats. I am getting a full electric shortly, but we really love the XC90 and won't be getting rid of it any time soon.

Most of us can only live vicariously through your videos. As for the most part we can't afford anything at these prices. Which is a bad thing for EVs for the general folk's. Which is why Nissan, Toyota etc have the Corolla and Versa. I am retired and we both drive EVs. My wife has a Leaf and I drive the Bolt. We would love to be able to get a better charging EV. But we would have to go to have one car only. Which is not something we can do yet. Nice review keep them coming.

How about compared to a Rav4 Prime? I have one and it has the same 18kW battery with 14.5kWh usable, I get around 2.8-3.3mile/kWh average on the highway and can get 45-50 miles on a full charge.

I couldn't be happier with my Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe PHEV. I typically get 25-26 miles of electric range. It is fast enough in electric mode to keep pace with traffic easily. When my battery is almost depleted I switch to manual mode which fires up the ICE, that way it can warm up gently before really being under load. Charing time is a little over 2 hours with a level 2, not unreasonable in my opinion.

Pacifica eHybrid. Perfectly drivable in EV only mode, 30+ miles on a charge, 6.6kW AC charging. And for me it was a classical gateway car that helped me to go from ICE to EV I drive now.

You should give the Pacifica Hybrid PHEV-33Mi a spin. I built a 2005 Prius PHEV-12Mi conversion and had an OEM 2013 Prius PHEV-12Mi, and those were super weak. But the Pacifica is a boss PHEV.

Great review. I have a '19 Cayenne e-Hybrid, so it has the smaller 14.1kW battery than the vehicle you drove - I usually see 17 or 18 miles of range on pure electric power. The Cayenne is a phenomenal car, but I am leaning towards swapping out for the new BMW iX since one became available this week in the greater Denver area. Nothing beats a Porsche when it comes to driving characteristics, but I want to go full EV and don't mind swapping driving feel for the no gas component. Have you had a chance to follow up driving the iX after the review you did in Vegas? I would be curious to know your opinion of the BMW iX once you get more time behind the wheel.

Great video. Do you give any points to hybrids just for consuming less gasoline? Some hybrids can get up to 60MPG and typically fall between 38-49. In the world of addiction treatment, there is a well respected alternative to total abstinence called “Harm Reduction”. Sometimes the “best” option is not available and we can try to at least do “better”.

I think in Toyota hybrids and phev the electric motor and battery heat are used to heat the engine block if the combustion engine.

We have had a Cayenne since 2013 (delivered in Germany) & Porsche knows how to build a car for drivers. Very predictable performance & handling. Would like to have different brake feel. We now have 120,000 miles on it. Would like to see an all electric Cayenne.

Do you know if you you can drive a Cayenne E after the hybrid battery dies(permanently)? Rather than replacing the battery can you just set it to full gas mode and drive it?

My RAV4 Prime is a lot of fun to drive around town and it's good on the freeway too. I chose it in part because it had the best EV capabilities I could find amongst the PHEV competition. The 42 mile range works for me until I go out of town and then I don't worry about charging. Now that it's warming up I can get up to 50 in town. The slow charging speed is not of great concern as I charge over night and it's rare that I don't have time to charge it to full. I'm using a regular 120 V charger. It's been fun to have the option of switching between EV and HV at will. I'd like to see a Prime with a solid state battery that could increase the range in the same size battery that it has now. I drove the original version of the Volt years ago and it seemed great. The efficiency was good. I'd have bought one if it came in the form of an SUV. Even it was the size as the Bolt EUV. At this point from what I can tell from all the car reviews it is more a matter of range irritation than range anxiety as finding a charging station doesn't necessarily mean all the chargers will work and even a fast charging car like the EV6 and Ioniq 5 will only fast charge if you can find a DC fast charger and your battery is ready. And it's still really slow compared to fueling with gas. My next car will most likely be an EV, but Prime is great right now. I'm not spending much time at gas stations or charging stations.

Kyle, you mentioned the rear axle steering a couple of times in your video. Do you think it is worth the $1,600 option? I know the Cayenne is a fairly big SUV but certainly a lot smaller than most others these days. Thanks.

I’d really like to hear what you think of the Pacifica hybrid. I drive a 2017, and as an early large PHEV, it has some issues, but from what I’m hearing here, it’s more livable than many others.

Kyle, you are in Colorado. Can you please do the hybrid Sienna with seven adults in it on a sustained high altitude mountain climb and what happens when the hybrid assist battery dies and you are left with 130 hp.

Please view the Weber U taredown of the Chev Volt. It has been the only series EV, PHEV. A must watch for EV understanding.

I certainly agree that we should never leave trash behind on the ground, but the state has some copiability here for not having trach cans in that area.

Excellent review. Would’ve have just loved to know the gas only mpg. 🤔

it has 18 kw, which is same in the volvo xc60 recharge extended range, so why isnt the eHP of both the same or similar? Volvo's 155hp, vs the Porsche's 13x hp.

Korean HEV and PHEV also has electric motor sandwich between engine and transmission

Last year, we decided to replace our aging Toyotas, a Sienna and a Camry. I did a lot of research on ICE, hybrids and, eventually, EVs. Ruling out ICE was easy and quick. Then came hybrids, especially PHEV, notably the RAV Prime. I decided against the hybrids because they came across as unnecessarily complex. Basically, you’ve got three propulsion systems: ICE, battery only, and combined together. That’s three times the complexity, for what? To get a bit of the EV? No thanks. We went all in with EVs. A Model 3 and a VW ID.4. I am curious if people who have a PHEV are 100% committed to plugging in every night (we do with our EVs). I could see that it’s very possible they don’t. In the back of their mind, they must think, “I don’t have to plug it in tonight - I’ve got gas in the tank.” Maybe it’s late, or cold/wet outside, or some other reason (just don’t feel like it). Do they simply get out of the habit of plugging in every night? Especially if gas prices are (relatively) cheap. Just curious… Great video, Kyle!

If you want to try a very similar PHEV with a dual clutch transmission go for the Audi Q5 PHEV. I’ve owned one for a year now and everything you love about the Porsche you’ll find in the Audi for less money.

Thanks Kyle, you tried not to... But you just sold me on the Porsche's PHEV specs😃

Our loaded 2019 e-Hybrid was the nicest car we've ever owned, but it's a terrible EV! With a lot of short trips we did average 36mpg, and it's really good for towing. We switched to an e-tron SUV, but are looking forward to Porsche's next EV crossovers.

Cool that you bring up the garbage thing. Thought in the first few seconds already bad how dirty it is there.

Many plug in hybrids have smaller fuel tanks from their petrol counterparts. The difference that the EV range adds does not equal the size difference in fuel tank size - this you end up with less range

Love the channel and reviews and watched a few of the long trip videos. That said those long trips and challenges with EVGo/Electrify America stations I'll stick with my non Porsche plug-in hybrid for now. Not interested in praying to the EV charge Gods each stop.

The only correct way to make a PHEV is build an ev with a range extender. Basically a gas electric vehicle (in the same way a trains are diesel electric). Chevy did this with the volt but gave up. Of course that isn’t to say the volt was perfect, because as a hybrid the fuel economy wasn’t great compared to hybrids of the time, but the lack of a transmission is integral. Hell, most hybrids are doing that now, eCVTs are just generators connected to motors.

what a coincidence that most automatic transmission logic lockup clutch engages at 1/3 throttle. theyre trying to give that petrol car feel.

5:08 😂

seems like you are finding reasons why not to get the PHEV more, would like to see what you think if you had one for a while, our family has a prius prime, and I see the benefits of driving in EV and would totally get a BEV for our new vehicle

Do you really need to repeat the cold start issue 3 or 4 times?

Chevy Volt wasn't much of a performance vehicle, but I don't remember it overheating once while driven hard. But GM prioritized EV capability first, gas second with that vehicle. Fantastic thermal management.

Have you ever driven a Karma GS6.

It's clear that u haven't looked into the Toyota rav4 prime. Because it's literally the same and has a 45mile electric range

Plugs Ins might not be the best EV but I'm glad that range isn't an issue with them

True - good comment about littering and other driving with responsibility

I have a 2020 outlander PHEV. I don't give a rates ass about acceleration. I like to drive around town electric and not spend hours on long trips. If the range on the elec part of the outlander was 30 or 40 miles I would be happier.

Your take on the importance of a PHEV doesn't make a lot of sense. The intent of a PHEV is simply to improve fuel economy; especially during your daily commute where you may be hoping on the highway for 15 miles and then just sitting on cruise control. You charge every night, and start every day with 20-50 miles of range, depending on the car. For those cases... why would you install expensive equipment to charge them faster? For long trips, which for most people make up the minority share of their annual miles, you simply use gas; and often PHEVs get pretty decent fuel economy when using gas. Performance PHEVs are kind of "Meh". That's because unlike a PHEV like a Volt, Escape PHEV, RAV4 Prime, etc that use small fuel efficient engines, performance vehicles still use huge heavy engine that still needs huge air intakes, making its range and fuel economy pretty crap. The electric powertrain having to move a heavier load makes it sluggish. In terms of just everyday ordinary daily commuter cars, mass production of PHEVs are probably far superior to mass production of BEVs. Why? Because we have limited cell supply. We may have limited cell raw material supply as well, as skyrocketing battery metals prices are indicating. They're currently cheaper to buy than BEVs, cheaper to fuel than ICEVs, and they have many of the maintenance benefits and cost savings of BEVs. If a PHEV gets 32 miles of range, a person drives 13.5k miles per year, equally distributed into 365 days, and they charge their PHEV every night... then 11,680 of those miles are driven in electric mode. That's a lot of money and fuel saved. And we can build a LOT more PHEVs than BEVs right now.

You can also help by picking up some of the trash if you see it. I always do this whenever I can. Take care of your environment.

REALLY want the gf to get a PHEV. Not great options available. In the midwest, charging is very scarce.

So when is the 100 kWh Macan EV coming?

Hey Kyle... ...you didn't tell us how many miles it went on electric. The last we heard was 10 miles, but you didn't give an update.

Is this the new 2005 Porsche? Crazy…

hhmmm my experience with my new 450h has been awesome.

Now do the Polestar 1

Too much monkey business, as Chuck Berry might've put it. Give me full BEV. But if I had no choice but PHEV, these observations nudge me a lot more to thinking of the virtues of series hybrid. Ane one more thing to realize for series hybrid: You can regenerate as much power as you can push in acceleration.

Kyle, you're still totally, TOTALLY wrong about why most people buy PHEVs. All of my PHEV-driving friends looked at the low cost of electricity, the high cost of an EV, and then selected a PHEV. We all selected a PHEV with the right work-commute range for each of us - 20 miles for my Fusion energi, 30 for my friends Prius. 60 for my coworker's Clarity. None of us ever worried about EV range. It was irrelevant given the price differential. You're treating KZfaq trolls as though they're the general public. It should be unsurprising that they're not. None of us ever considered "range anxiety." Edit 5/27: None of us shopped for performance. Either. This Porsche and high-end PHEVs may be different. But the claim that range anxiety is a factor is wrong. That's Twitter troll nonsense. (By the way, slow charging is still irrelevant. It's a plugin hybrid. Fast charging makes no sense.)

Affordability? 😜

296 gtb

Best PHEV was the Chevy Volt.

LOL the Crossfire sound was the sound of it crossing the double yellow lines

Again Volvo’s design of their AWD using only electric motors is awful. Once battery is out of juice, Volvo PHEVs become a front drive car. Like how Porsche and BMW have implemented it. No matter the state of the battery there is AWD advantage always.

Oh come on Kyle, you know better. 14kWh usable battery and 26mi low speed electric range? That is HORRIBLE electric efficiency. You make all the point about electric+transmission optimization yet get those pathetic numbers. Less than 2mi/kWh low speed efficiency? REALLY? If EV/hybrid driving is about efficiency, this is NOT it.

Since when have $100k+ cars been something to recommend to anyone but the rich?

dirt everywhere, so disgusting

First problem with PHEV is range. Should be at least 50 Miles. 70 miles would be great. Problem number 2 Recharge speed. Should be able to Recharge in one hour with level 3 charger. Put this in a big SUV like Navigator or Truck.

So what problems did that fix ? It has only 16 to 25 miles of EV range max then it gets like 20 mpg on gas for a $90K car ? Just skip the PHEV on that car, don't waste expensive batteries save $15k and gas mileage only drops by 1 on the non hybrid. My Niro gets 30-32 miles of EV range then 50-60mpg driving on gas, yes it's totally slow but that's it's purpose, gas mileage over power. The 2023 Niro should get 40+ miles in EV with 50% larger batteries.

So annoying to see the plastic and paper junk on the ground .

You get it, right? You give us an ad in the video ("this video is brought to you by Magna") AND you monetize with KZfaq ads. Ads - plural. Rather than double dipping, you should make up your mind. Sorry, I'm a fan of the content but the ad situation is frustrating.

Biggest problem with Phev is the ice and associated maintenance and repairs. Makes no sense to me.

80K for 28~ mile range. Get out of here.

doesn't look like they have a trash can out there

25 miles for a PHEV today? Pathetic.

The only two PHEVs that are worth something are the Chevy Volt and the Honda Clarity. This Porsche might be able to 'shred' and have good pedal feel but at 26 miles of range it won't cover the average round-trip work commute for most Americans. As other people mentioned, 50 miles should be the minimum range for PHEVs.

What a surprise, the only PHEV you find acceptable is a $100,000+ Porsche. Here's a clue: most people get a PHEV/BEV for the efficiency not the sports car performance. You are losing touch with the "everyman" perspective, and your reviews are losing relevance because we don't drive like F1 Drivers.

Hybrids are kludges. You have all the downsides of an ICE and very limited electric range.

Dude - that red beverage cup thrown there next to that Cayenne was most off putting and showed a bit of carelessness for the environment. It could have been removed even if it weren’t yours… thumbs down buddy.

Why anyone would even consider a Hybrid is confusing. By the way. That interior is stone cold UGLY. Lastly that vehicle is grossly overpriced.

PHEV are the worst idea. You get the worst of both engines. Electric engine gives little range. Gas Engine - now you have to maintain a a gas engine. And you have to lug around extra Gas Weight. Don't understand why these cars sell.