Post Office: chair intervenes after groans as Vennells admits she followed 'grossly improper' advice

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25 күн бұрын

Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells followed a “grossly improper” suggestion to not review all subpostmaster prosecutions after her communications chief said it would end up “front page news”, the Horizon IT inquiry has heard.
The probe was shown an email exchange between Ms Vennells and then director of communications Mark Davies in July 2013 in which she said she would “take your steer” after he said looking at all past cases would be “in media terms… very high profile”.
Ms Vennells agreed that had the Post Office decided to review all prosecutions of false accounting, it “may well have” avoided the “lost decade” until miscarriages of justice involving subpostmasters were discovered.
The public gallery at the inquiry, made up of mainly subpostmasters, groaned loudly after Ms Vennells said she did not remember if she took the “advice of the PR guy” to review past prosecutions.
After chairman Sir Wyn Williams intervened, Ms Vennells continued: “As I tried to say before, what we were working to at this stage was numbers of cases going through a scheme, and a scheme that was going to be opened up to anybody who wanted to come forward.
“I understand how this reads, but I don’t recall making any conscious decision not to go back and put in place a review of all past criminal cases.”
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@adrianwade2185 23 күн бұрын

Everyone knows that she is Lying. Horrible person.

@gc6855 23 күн бұрын

I know her lips are moving

@stevedavy2878 22 күн бұрын

And its happening in most services that affect our lives. From Health Service to Water Industry. There is a problem of excessively over paid top tier management that run a culture of cover up when gross errors occur.

@jananders1351 23 күн бұрын

She and quite a few other senior managers MUST be prosecuted for the cover up and their conspiracy to hide evidence revealing miscarriages of justice.

@dodahspeak 23 күн бұрын

You know very well that they probably wont. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

@gc6855 23 күн бұрын

I fear nothing will happen, it’s already a stitch up

@amandamcauley 23 күн бұрын

She's really dragging her "answers" out with word salads and not really answering anything. Also if my memory was as bad as hers I'd be worried about myself.

@madcarew5168 23 күн бұрын

Exactly..Hours of corporate word salad,as she's trained and skilled in.

@nickdoughty518 23 күн бұрын

An essential qualification to justify a £700k salary.

@isabelwilkie9606 23 күн бұрын

Sir Wynn asked her yesterday was she groomed in thinking long before answers. And say few words !!!

@user-by4sq2mj6t 16 күн бұрын

All have been coached… go after there legal team.😊

@bv3bv334 23 күн бұрын

THE LYING VICAR

@paulrossbotham4359 23 күн бұрын

you got the first two words right

@IbnBahtuta 23 күн бұрын

YET ANOTHER THE LYING VICAR. Sorted.

@IanMcKennaLondon 20 күн бұрын

Religion ruins lives, you don't have to be evil to believe in a god, but it helps.

@cliffordchapman4636 Күн бұрын

@@IanMcKennaLondon Does it ever.

@gherkamum 23 күн бұрын

One Massive Cover Up......Prison

@stephenholmes1036 23 күн бұрын

This woman could not lie straight in bed.

@bluehazeburnout 18 күн бұрын

Urgh that is not something I want to think about 🤢

@kevinbennington887 23 күн бұрын

Her rapid blinking is due to Her lies.

@herbertjohnston4608 23 күн бұрын

This excuse for a woman has no shame the lives she has destroyed shocking.

@homeandfamilyservices2650 23 күн бұрын

Brilliant. Love watching this. This reflects her approach. Deception, deception ,deception. And yesterday she promised to be honest and open. She needs to be imprisoned

@TheArgieH 21 күн бұрын

I particularly like the distinct bits where she says I am being truly sincere etc. Jolly good, so what were you being the rest of the time Reverend?

@russelltaylerson4468 23 күн бұрын

I have so little faith in our systems that I don't believe any of these people will face prosecution for their actions. They will suffer the brief embarrassment of this inquiry and then return to their cosseted lives

@Thebustermann 23 күн бұрын

Bingo. Ding ding ding ding... We have a winner!

@stevenptew 23 күн бұрын

Sadly they will never suffer anywhere near as badly as their victims.

@footshill 21 күн бұрын

With all the money from there fat salaries and bonuses for failure.

@kg3718 13 күн бұрын

Am sure Paula is treated as a pariah by most people these days. She’s toxic

@mikewilson8513 23 күн бұрын

I suspect she has been coached as to how to answer Mr Beer. But he is having none of it. It is Insightful to witness how a top KC goes about his job. She really is not coming out of this at all well. I suspect, and it gives me no pleasure to say this, but these three days will have ruined the rest of her life. Welcome to the world of the sub postmasters you persecuted Paula Vennells. Although unfortunately, I dont think you will see the inside of a prison cell though. More's the pity.

@markwatts4750 18 күн бұрын

Totally agree. The Establishment looks after its own.

@mikewilson8513 18 күн бұрын

@@markwatts4750 I have been thinking about this. "The crowd are seething unified anger, not something one see very often in the Uk, The crowd want a crucifixion. I think Vennells could be the one so that the powers that be can say "look, we are on your side" I am not overly convinced, by my own reasoning, but, there is going to be a police investigation. Fingers crossed.

@lesduncan2795 23 күн бұрын

If her first response was about ‘The Media’ why doesn’t it stress the reasons why, the second point is laid out in great detail! If the Post Office was wrong in their beliefs and the Convictions were forced due to lies, surely it falls on the Post Office to investigate and correct its illegal actions, not any outside Agency!

@bigkdog5091 23 күн бұрын

Yeah, like they're going to do that. The reason we're having this enquiry is precisely because they didn't

@lesduncan2795 23 күн бұрын

@@bigkdog5091 thanks for that, didn’t realise we were having the Inquiry for that reason, you must be a University Graduate

@ManCave1972 23 күн бұрын

She said she never took the advice of just one person and two minutes later sees the email where she does exactly that. Still lying, still squirming, still spilling out too many words to run the clock down.

@jamesrashbrook9485 23 күн бұрын

How did she get to the top of the company because obviously she has been promoted way beyond her capabilities and it cost lives

@CYCHIATRIC 23 күн бұрын

She’s actually very good at her job. Which is to walk between the legal raindrops without getting wet. She’ll be toasted for her performance in senior corporate circles.

@daviddowns8068 23 күн бұрын

@@CYCHIATRICshe knows people on high places it's not what you know its who you know she is very clever she just got found out by the brilliant alan bates

@IbnBahtuta 23 күн бұрын

It is, or rather, it used to be called "if your face fits".

@geoffsmith5563 23 күн бұрын

Laying on Her Back.

@louiserobinson410 21 күн бұрын

she was an excellent CEO- in other words she made big money for the post office and she knows how to lie without guilt. Money- the root of all evil

@wolyfood1068 23 күн бұрын

She still lying

@user-zz4wx8yp3x 23 күн бұрын

How can a supposedly woman of God sit there and tell so many lies.

@amandamcauley 23 күн бұрын

She's relied on hiding behind that cloak of respectability and still is.

@johannesnicolaas 23 күн бұрын

She is a vicar for the god Mammon... not for the other god.

@wanderingfido 23 күн бұрын

Positions of authority and power will always attract psychopaths. And despite screening processes, about 6-10% will slip through. The gaussian (bell) curve strongly implies a standard deviation of 10-80-10 for _every_ biological trait: ten will slip through, while 80% will be blocked and finally ten will also be foiled but only through unusual scrutiny. Ironically, the six percent of Catholic pedo priests was statistically _below_ the "normal" average of ten percent.

@bicolouredprawn 23 күн бұрын

Because the god squad don't have the monopoly on being good, believing in god doesn't tell me anything about whether or not that person is a good person.

@IbnBahtuta 23 күн бұрын

She is not a woman of God. She doesn't tell the truth. If you listen carefully to her taking the oath thingy, you will notice that what she actually says is: I promise to tell the truth, The whole truth, And nothing like the truth. I rest my case m'Lord.

@valerietorreggiani9973 22 күн бұрын

I am beginning to understand why barristers garner such high fees!

@andrewmcgee382 23 күн бұрын

Every time she opens her mouth, she just makes iy worse for herself

@wickedwitchoftheeast88 22 күн бұрын

She's been doing this for years through the whole thing why would it change now? She has had many opportunities to stop what she was doing and what the PO was doing to innocent people and she chose not to do the right thing. Had she done something she wouldn't be where she is now and she could have got away with saying I wasn't here when Horizon came into the branches but she refused to back down that the PO was wrong she kept defending and obstructing anyone asking questions thats why it took so long the government could have been more firmer in challenging her but they couldn't be bothered

@TheCervelo100 23 күн бұрын

Her “conviction” in this piece is to cover up, it’s as clear as night follows day

@TBFI_Botswana 23 күн бұрын

Post office and the Anglican Church - a marriage made in heaven 🤯

@fasthracing 23 күн бұрын

Slippery as an eel .

@dovetonsturdee7033 22 күн бұрын

She seems determined to refer to 'The Board', The Post Office' and 'The Business.' None of these things have consciousness, or make decisions. However, people within them do. In most cases, these 'people' were actually one person, Paula Vennells.

@TheOriginalDaveJ 23 күн бұрын

Just put her in jail and stop prolonging her misery!

@chrisready9254 23 күн бұрын

well no one at the enquiry hearing believes her .... after hearing those groans

@joe2grand 23 күн бұрын

be honest with yourself and ask : Will anyone face prison for this ? in reality, no one will get prosecuted

@fgrsimon 21 күн бұрын

In reality who knows? But at the very least they have been exposed to total public humiliation. If it was one of your friends would you keep that friendship going? Plenty of people bailed on the wrongly convicted SPMs.

@brianlopez8855 19 күн бұрын

She will enter a religious retreat, then a mental health facility, then be found "unfit to stand trial".

@robintaylor7004 23 күн бұрын

At least I'll remember watching this.

@mikegleed5842 23 күн бұрын

😂

@KeaneVincent-ws6kk 22 күн бұрын

Thank goodness, our shared world is full of really good, honest, moral people, and then we see this highly rehearsed, performance to justify her indefensible, personal actions. Sickening!!!

@prose3562 23 күн бұрын

Isn’t it remarkable how her spoken manner is so different from the tone of her emails? Given the enquiry one might expect her to have refreshed her memory - too many ‘I don’t remember’, etc. etc.

@Felix-rising 23 күн бұрын

How do you get into these positions with such poor memories ?

@majorlaff8682 23 күн бұрын

I've been pushing for ten to twenty years in prison. After the last two days, I'm pushing for twenty to thirty years.

@Simon-im2zn 22 күн бұрын

Unfortunately this isn't contested in the States....

@madcarew5168 23 күн бұрын

I was only following orders didn't work at Nuremberg.

@danielboone8435 23 күн бұрын

And she was the one giving them?!

@shauntaylor6040 23 күн бұрын

Lots of Albert Speers.

@paul-gr9jk 23 күн бұрын

Digging a bigger hole every lying word

@Stu718 23 күн бұрын

Referring to 'the post office' in the third person!! The correct pronoun is 'I"

@user-uy3bj9ue5c 22 күн бұрын

Yes it was like she was commenting as an observer rather than the main perpetrator.

@user-gv4jk1le3d 23 күн бұрын

rather than just put her hands up and admit to everything, take responsibility and except justice, she is basically kicking the victims while they are down.

@Withlovefromwales 23 күн бұрын

Saying anything just to save her self she makes my blood boil

@bryanfish7303 23 күн бұрын

The way she twists and plainly and deliberately misinterprets the meaning of the documents is just bizarre. Why does she think just because she says that's what she meant to say, everyone is just going to believe that and not their own eyes. It must be incredibly frustrating for the KC and the victims listening to that all day

@TheCervelo100 23 күн бұрын

She certainly ended up being on the front page … and will end up chip paper once she’s prosecuted

@anthonymathews3872 23 күн бұрын

The problem is that this a Public Inquiry, whereas it should be a trial in the Crown Court with a jury and Vennels should be sent to prison as she indirectly sent many Postal Workers.

@allanthorpe7139 23 күн бұрын

In a court her lawyer would advise her to say “no comment” at least in this enquiry she’s squirming in front of the whole nation

@TheArgieH 23 күн бұрын

How is it indirect? The Post Office is empowered to prosecute and they did.

@anthonymathews3872 23 күн бұрын

@@TheArgieH It was the CPS via the courts that issued the summons and Warrants. The P.O. supposedly submitted the evidence.

@anthonymathews3872 23 күн бұрын

@@allanthorpe7139 Or I do not recall.

@TheArgieH 23 күн бұрын

@@anthonymathews3872 I believe not. The Post Office has the power to prosecute. Similar powers exist (or did) regarding the TV licence fee. Others have pointed out already that it is part of the whole tragedy that the CPS was circumvented. The PO's alleged cavalier treatment of evidence and alleged disregard of rules of disclosure would not have got past the CPS. Also the CPS would have recognised pretty quickly that there was more than one SPM having problems or that there was a sudden plague of fraud in SPOs. Furthermore, watch the inquiry sessions and you will see senior PO managers expressing evident surprise that they as the PO had exercised their power and taken the decision to prosecute. If someone knows otherwise they will doubtless say so.

@thomascooney6644 23 күн бұрын

Untouchables getting away with murder for years ‘

@MM.-qo7pk 22 күн бұрын

The Parliament/government UK needs to bring in laws to protect the consumers and the public, and more broadly, to protect everyone against this type of criminal activities and fraudulent activities by CEOs, board of directors, managers, fraud investigators, law firms, etc. Laws will make these criminals accountable for their actions in the uk and overseas !

@NinaHarvey-wk7ei 23 күн бұрын

She remembers all the things that defend her but none of the things that go against her-let’s see some justice.

@user-uy3bj9ue5c 22 күн бұрын

She knew exactly what she was doing and blamed others on the day quite successfully

@johndavies6258 23 күн бұрын

After all of this i hope no one here thinks there will be the right and proper outcome as in jail time for anyone of these vile people

@IbnBahtuta 23 күн бұрын

When is her first court appearance happening?

@onenote6619 23 күн бұрын

The buck stops ... hey, a squirrel .... over there!

@electricpalace4720 23 күн бұрын

The volume is ridiculously low, I can barely hear anything. I know the problem isn't from the Inquirey itself as I can hear that just fine. Please adjust the volume on your channel upwards.

@Stephen-gv4og 23 күн бұрын

Exactly. Too low.

@user-uy3bj9ue5c 22 күн бұрын

She should have her house and all her money taken off her and given to Jo Hamilton.

@iagree5313 23 күн бұрын

I now realize that all the excessive coughing was from the Sub Post Officers who were present. Their blimin anguish had to be expressed somehow.

@rsb8653 23 күн бұрын

Only a sociopath would do what she did

@valerierooney1299 20 күн бұрын

She's lying through her teeth..... She's sorry now she's got caught.... prison for what she did to those poor post master's , she's got blood on her hands...

@judithtaylor4767 23 күн бұрын

"I can't remember "I can't recall the call" shy hasn't got very good memory has she

@charlessimmons7825 23 күн бұрын

Another "Christian" - either doing kids in the pooper or covering up something

@josephdebri8941 23 күн бұрын

Not to mention colluding with genocide

@ilokivi 23 күн бұрын

@@josephdebri8941 Are you suggesting that sub-postmasters are a distinct ethnicity?

@fitness6681 23 күн бұрын

She’s not a Christian

@davidrenton 23 күн бұрын

yet Athiests (Hitler, Mao , Stalin) killed 10's of millions, what's up with Athiests and their need to mass murder, or in a religion of 1.5 billion, this women does not represent all Christians, btw i'm an Athiest

@BeardLAD 23 күн бұрын

@@ilokiviAre you on crack?! Go troll somewhere else!

@allanthorpe7139 23 күн бұрын

By not revealing evidence in this way surely is perverting the course of justice

@philradbourne 23 күн бұрын

A broader conspiracy.

@The19610211 23 күн бұрын

Send her straight to jail!

@NbNbNbNbNbNbNbNbNbNbNb 23 күн бұрын

A huge cover up which is what usually happens in the U.K. Also nothing will be done after this enquiry because this is what usually happens in the U.K. too. I feel for the families stress and loss it’s caused.

@fgrsimon 21 күн бұрын

Let's see what happens with the Grenfell Inquiry first. 72 people died there, someone was responsible and I don't think the public mood will settle for another Hillsborough.

@wantobeaprincess 20 күн бұрын

KC Beers is absolutely extraordinary. What a forensic investigator

@danielboone8435 23 күн бұрын

Sound is really low

@IanMcKennaLondon 20 күн бұрын

Only one place this terrible person belongs. In jail for the rest of her life. The need to get this enquiry done and start all the prosecutions

@martinriley106 23 күн бұрын

She is lying through her eye teeth and just won’t see it. How can she live with herself?

@danburycollins 22 күн бұрын

The continued contact with the PR person seems a bit odd - when she says 'reasons that were very personal to him' - what on earth does that mean?

@romainvicta3076 20 күн бұрын

If this was me I would owe up to it . The idea you can’t have integrity when caught just shows you need jail time 100% percent

@robhayes6121 23 күн бұрын

We’ll try sifting through the chaff, why do they swear an oath when it really doesn’t matter, as what we have heard it’ll come down to the people around her didn’t let her know an that will be the case for the defence, five million in the bank account an live happily ever after, an be the next bishop of England no case to answer for or to, they look after their own, needs a private criminal court as was the ceo at the time innocent people were sent to jail, also lives totally ruined, Alan Bates an innocents take them on now, as this will get that much money thrown at it, it will go away, the real people to blame is this management government who own this corrupt company. Words and Lip service Not worth listening to.

@garyknight2084 22 күн бұрын

When questioned, she remembers immediately the reference to date & subject (up to 13 years ago) & replies, pausing only to choose her answers carefully; except anything she was responsible for, & there she passes the buck or can't remember, every time!

@ericanderson9664 23 күн бұрын

Does anyone notice the volume is low?

@Lui-893 11 күн бұрын

Lying under oath 👹

@kg3718 13 күн бұрын

It’s painful to watch and hear Paula Vennells

@malcsco 21 сағат бұрын

Sir wyn stop the enquiry now, hand all reports to police and advise them with your knowledge of the cover up who should be doing jail time. There should not be many missing from your list. Money talks and all will walk.

@Simon-im2zn 16 күн бұрын

Maybe what the KC's should do from now on is open the line of questioning with "Do you ever recall, remember or for that matter have any memory whatsoever of working for the POL". At least then that will set the tone for what answers will be provided afterwards.

@junewalker4835 21 күн бұрын

It amazes me how many people who rise to top jobs, on huge salaries, all seem to be afflicted with the same desease, having the worst possible memories. How do they ever get their positions?

@leeskinka 23 күн бұрын

Can you sort the volume level out on these videos, it’s lower than a Post Office director. 👍

@philipjohnkaye8890 23 күн бұрын

Just you... Nothing wrong with the sound at all.

@Rachel_M_ 23 күн бұрын

@@philipjohnkaye8890 you sound like the post office _"You're the only one"_ And just like the post office you know it isn't true because you have said the exact same copy and paste answer to others in this very comments section...

@astrusis_dantis3655 22 күн бұрын

Jail time.

@elizabethryan2678 22 күн бұрын

She should be locked up for a long time

@petrus666love 22 күн бұрын

If she comes clean and admits she lied offer her a lower sentence, “ let’s say ten years in prison instead of twenty “ that’s what you offered the post office sub postmasters , admit your a lier and you’ll be spared a long prison sentence.

@alanrobertson3172 20 күн бұрын

When she talks she is lying.

@user-uy3bj9ue5c 22 күн бұрын

Hope there is a civil case against her - doubt there will be a criminal trial.

@simongee8928 23 күн бұрын

Interesting how that now Vennells is directly in the firing line for ber gross mishandling of the Horizon issues, her memory is distinctly iffy.

@josephdowling4524 19 күн бұрын

Does that judge not understand ventilation when hearing untruths being spoken after being victimised by these very same untruths

@littlenan3576 21 күн бұрын

What can be done to help those Post Office people who were, more or less, threatened to admit they did do something wrong or they could be punished much worse? Some of those must have pleaded guilty under duress, That should not be held against their aquittal and recompense.

@michaelmcgrath9811 21 күн бұрын

Send her to prison

@dafydddale-jones2631 21 күн бұрын

Put her in jail

@Rachel_M_ 23 күн бұрын

Audio is very quiet.

@kinorspielmann4649 23 күн бұрын

CofE ➡️ CEO ➡️ CBE

@pjmoseley243 23 күн бұрын

Such a sad situation for all concerned but none should lose out no matter who was at fault. Give back to the people what belongs to the people.

@alannarutter5033 23 күн бұрын

Playing ignorant now...😖

@petefl1818 22 күн бұрын

So, we're to believe that Vennells got to be head of the Post Office with such a poor memory.

@therichrandomguys1991 22 күн бұрын

Jail her

@seandoran2209 21 күн бұрын

Oh..word salad with no words 😮

@nordic1121 23 күн бұрын

Lies Lies Lies , every word she says is lies

@robpaterson4775 22 күн бұрын

Prison

@p1966kful 23 күн бұрын

The inquiry chair should refer Vennells’ replies to the CPS who should conduct a review of her responses, with a view to establishing whether Vennells has lied under oath and committed perjury.

@daveallsopp320 21 күн бұрын

She’s not a very good liar

@rubberplantsandwich 21 күн бұрын

Imagine, at your place of work, some money goes missing. You get blamed. If you deny it you are threatened with court resulting in prison. Or if you admit it you just get a suspended sentence or community punishment. So to avoid prison you admit guilt. Over and done with you think. Then your company sues you for court costs because you were found guilty, you owe £350,000 in court costs. Your life ruined. This company is called the Post Office. Their logo is " whatever you need us for, we're here for you". They spent £100 million in expensive lawers to try to avoid paying £58 million in compensation. The class action saw the incorrectly convicted see £20,000 in compensation after court costs. The executive salaries were between £250,000 and £500,000

@chris-vn6sw 22 күн бұрын

The PR guy was under orders to contact her directly hence the others kept out of the loop. 🤔

@sphinx1017 23 күн бұрын

Her hairstyle is a crime in itself.

@johndavies6258 23 күн бұрын

She just never tells the truth, and thinks that we all beleive her

@kiwi2222 21 күн бұрын

You can see how these KCs earn there money.. Mr beer is a formidable lawyer…on top of his job…quietly and forensically dismantling a witness like Paula vennnells.

@virtualunreality8326 23 күн бұрын

Jeez she's got a brass neck. Once she gets cornered it's "I don't remember" Thoroughly despicable individual. Notice when she says sorry it doesn't carry any responsibility. All the post office management and fujitsu staff have been lying.

@nicksmith4361 23 күн бұрын

She was not qualified to run such a large organisation and naively believed what she was told. She was told a pack of lies by her management who had been corrupt for years and because she had been brought in as a “yes” person rarely questioning what she was told as she had been in previous roles she repeated what she was told. As has often been the case the messenger for the criminal is equally guilty.

@charliekelly1920 22 күн бұрын

She knew exactly what she did and exactly what she was she was saying and for anyone to make excuses her by saying she was nieve they should get a reality check and look at the evidence against her.she"s totally complicit in what she's done and has never felt sorry for the lives she's ruined but now she's had to amswer for her actions all she does i put on the crocidile tears and try to convince the inquiry and public she was misled by the people she was in charge of. What a load of rubbish? 9:31 She's an out and out liar. .

@chrissammels5444 23 күн бұрын

Delusional memory syndrome.

@aitchhennequin3979 22 күн бұрын

Her actions andattitude at the enquiry prove she was not a suitable candidate for the senior position within the Post Office So who in the goverment and in their right mind appointed her?

@user-uy3bj9ue5c 22 күн бұрын

I could live very well on £8million taken from these poor people thank you very much.