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Post Office scandal: outrage as Channel 4 News reveals covert recordings

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Channel 4 News

Channel 4 News

4 ай бұрын

There's growing anger among politicians following the secret recordings - aired in our exclusive report on this programme last night - that prove Post Office bosses covered up the Horizon IT scandal for years.
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The audio reveals that executives knew as far back as 2013 that subpostmasters' accounts could be accessed remotely and altered without their knowledge. Pressure is also growing for the Post Office to face criminal action.
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@GerryT.
@GerryT. 4 ай бұрын
People need to go to prison over this, pure and simple.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@tomricketts7821
@tomricketts7821 4 ай бұрын
Some of the middle of the totem pole will be thrown under the bus those at the top will be feather bedded by the two tiered justice system
@suzannemcguigan2752
@suzannemcguigan2752 4 ай бұрын
​@@tomricketts7821 Exactly this.
@isg022
@isg022 4 ай бұрын
No one went to prison after the whole western world’s economy was brought to its knees by the rogue bankers. So don’t hold your breath.
@davidrenton
@davidrenton 4 ай бұрын
@@tomricketts7821 nah they need to drop this one, act like they the Mafia and they need to Jimmy from Goodfellas on her, clear house, no witnesses. Get a big name like this 1 , 15 years in Holloway, will do a lot to clear up the PO scandal.
@user-ob4wo9po2y
@user-ob4wo9po2y 4 ай бұрын
Paula and the post office management need to be in prison themselves
@pedromorgan99
@pedromorgan99 4 ай бұрын
they should be under remand, with tags and alike (sorry u can only sit at the back of the church) Bettcha Paula will become a Nun.. Like mary
@LordOfLight
@LordOfLight 4 ай бұрын
The "post office"? Seriously? You mean, like, EVERYONE?
@MrMalam1234
@MrMalam1234 4 ай бұрын
​​@@LordOfLight Yes, the buildings and the trucks too..
@Ken-ps9ux
@Ken-ps9ux 4 ай бұрын
Totally agree , though history shows us this is unlikely to happen. They`re happy to jail the poor, even when innocent whilst those in power with money and influence are rarely held to account
@24321619
@24321619 4 ай бұрын
@@LordOfLight Yes they are going to build 10 new prisons!
@mrmyorky5634
@mrmyorky5634 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennels was in charge and it was her who dismissed and buried the report about the unreliability of the Horizon system. She deliberately tried to cover up the faulty system and blame the Postmasters. She needs to be put in jail first and foremost.
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc 4 ай бұрын
And her predecessors
@user-sl4qe5fb8p
@user-sl4qe5fb8p 4 ай бұрын
She needs brough to court to face a trail and justice immediately
@greenandpleasant5523
@greenandpleasant5523 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@user-sl4qe5fb8p Edit: 1) brought. 2) trial.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@Enhancedlies
@Enhancedlies 4 ай бұрын
if it was ANYONE else then that would already be happening
@josiekaposie5783
@josiekaposie5783 4 ай бұрын
Corporate crooks do not go to prison in the UK , the establishment protects their own .
@ilokivi
@ilokivi 4 ай бұрын
The UK has to see justice done, if it is not to remain a systemically corrupt jurisdiction.
@colinpryor4290
@colinpryor4290 4 ай бұрын
Lying to Parliament. Failure to follow the Disclosure Act. Malicious prosecution of Post Masters that they knew were not guilty. There are bound to be other miscellaneous charges but Vennels and others must go to jail. There can be no other outcome. If it means dozens of people are charged, then so be it. .... But there is always the small matter of The Lodge.....
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
Paula is a woman so no chance.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 4 ай бұрын
We're governed by crooks carrying 'stay-out-of-jail' cards.
@larryboyes7276
@larryboyes7276 4 ай бұрын
The postmasters and postmistresses did time and they were innocent. These people are guilty. They should be locked away for a very long time.
@PoppaKrunch
@PoppaKrunch 4 ай бұрын
How has she not had all her assets stripped and been jailed yet!?
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@Purple_flower09
@Purple_flower09 4 ай бұрын
Vennells still has her millions in bonuses.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 4 ай бұрын
She's a Tory.
@andyhelliwell4955
@andyhelliwell4955 4 ай бұрын
@@darthwiizius More like, she is a fraud.
@ct5625
@ct5625 4 ай бұрын
She's a Tory. They protect each other while robbing the country blind.
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc 4 ай бұрын
Poor man commits no crime goes to jail rich commits crime gets a knighthood.
@PatrickMcAsey
@PatrickMcAsey 4 ай бұрын
Do you know how to punctuate? Or is this a foreign concept to you?
@Shsjier
@Shsjier 4 ай бұрын
​@@PatrickMcAseyaww your mum must be so proud of you. Well done. Fixing the world one step at a time
@PatrickMcAsey
@PatrickMcAsey 4 ай бұрын
@@Shsjier That's irrelevant, isn't it? The questions is: What do _you_ think? Or do you have a mind of your own?
@Shsjier
@Shsjier 4 ай бұрын
@@PatrickMcAsey @PatrickMcAsey I think that people who correct grammar, punctuation etc. On a KZfaq comment section are the scum of the earth
@ct5625
@ct5625 4 ай бұрын
@@PatrickMcAsey I'm a copywriter, yet I understood. Your problem isn't other people's punctuation, it's your own arrogance and ego.
@michaelgoode9555
@michaelgoode9555 4 ай бұрын
Vennells should be charged now. And an awful lot of other Post Office and Fujitsu senior people, the lawyers who killed both parliament and the courts, the investigating officers and all involved in this vile scandal. What is worse though is that such behaviour happens in other former public services and even large private companies. The corruption at the "top" of our society is truly horrendous and scandalous. Those responsible must both go to prison and be stripped of their ill-gotten wealth.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 4 ай бұрын
A truly fat chance of anything 'proper' being done: most of the "guilty parties" will never face justice.
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl 4 ай бұрын
Very well put, superb ❤❤❤
@GraemeRoberts
@GraemeRoberts 4 ай бұрын
Yep, the DWP is corrupt too. They employ their family members and cover each others' arses when complaints are made, with no punishment for when they cause disabled people to take their own lives. Rotten country "led" by an utterly immoral government.
@lindensheffield6434
@lindensheffield6434 4 ай бұрын
You're right. And they wonder why we no longer trust any of them!
@BoadiceanRevenge
@BoadiceanRevenge 4 ай бұрын
It endemic! And it will never change! Time to dole out our own justice I think! 😡
@michaelkimber6203
@michaelkimber6203 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely disgraceful. To realise that the PO used OUR money to persue cases that they knew were flawed is beyond the pail. All those involved should face criminal charges AND be liable for repayment to the exchequer and the victims of all monies owed. 😡
@theresearcher253
@theresearcher253 4 ай бұрын
There is a well publicised email sent by Vennells asking to know whether there was remote access to Horizon. If she didn't follow this up, then she's at the very least criminally negligent.
@John-ks6si
@John-ks6si 4 ай бұрын
She doesn't come across as very bright but unfortunately she probably had superior legal minds protecting her from getting her hands dirty.
@srp01983
@srp01983 4 ай бұрын
When Vennels is finally sent to prison,she should be made to sew mailbags. That would be justice.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@rogernevin7461
@rogernevin7461 4 ай бұрын
She will probably think 3 hail Mary's will clean the slate.
@hugolindum7728
@hugolindum7728 4 ай бұрын
She will never be prosecuted. Give an example of such senior person going to prison. It’s just not how the uk works.
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
There's so much money behind this scandal none of these people will go to jail 😢
@eyesodd
@eyesodd 4 ай бұрын
Since Geoffrey Archer, I can't think of anyone in power/politics that has been jailed.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
They spent over £100 million on legal fees. That is astonishing.
@holdmyhand2009
@holdmyhand2009 4 ай бұрын
of our money
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
Ya taxpayers money keeping d legal system raking it in 😢😢
@See-through-The-Veil
@See-through-The-Veil 4 ай бұрын
They shouldn’t mind paying out £100 million to the people who got criminal records, and more for those wrongfully imprisoned…
@John-ks6si
@John-ks6si 4 ай бұрын
The tactic has been to crush the subpostmasters with financial power. And we've all paid for it 😕
@A2Z1Two3
@A2Z1Two3 4 ай бұрын
Taxpayers oaid to hide their GUILT now we need redress fir that money , by seeing them in JAIL
@keith8609
@keith8609 4 ай бұрын
Those responsible for the cover up should go to prison for the pain and suffering they have caused not to mention the millions of taxpayers money they have wasted
@Greebstreebling
@Greebstreebling 4 ай бұрын
I am a former software engineer. The big question which has gone unasked is who manipulated the subpostmasters' accounts in Fujitsu and what did they gain from doing that. Those of us in the know about software systems now see clearly that there was what we call a 'back door' into the software. Why was it there, who used it and for what gain? The money from the subpostmasters' accounts obviously went somewhere and my bet is it was into someone's pocket.
@bobwishart8780
@bobwishart8780 4 ай бұрын
@@sueburgess847but it doesn’t answer the commenters question…..where did the money refunded by post masters (through false allegations) …where or to whom did that money go?
@Greebstreebling
@Greebstreebling 4 ай бұрын
@breamoreboy I didn't see the drama, but if as you say it's factually correct, that adds another layer of despicability to the PO management. They saw some people die and others lose everything, just to fatten a balance sheet? That really is Capitalism gone wrong.
@John-ks6si
@John-ks6si 4 ай бұрын
The depressing thing is that I believe all they gained was not having to admit that the system wasn't fit for purpose. The subpostmasters were prosecuted for fictitious shortfalls brought about by bugs in the code. As others on here have said, though, it's astonishing that the investigators were incentivised by bonuses.
@John-ks6si
@John-ks6si 4 ай бұрын
@breamoreboy I agree it appears to have been manual intervention by support personnel as a result of the bugs. The support people had nothing to gain personally by changing figures, though, so I suspect this was bugs being addressed by a buggy back-end.
@kevinsyd2012
@kevinsyd2012 4 ай бұрын
Remember that not all sub-postmasters were totally innocent. There were over 7,000 sub-postmasters during 2000 -2010 and 900 were convicted, so the Fujitsu system worked for 87% of the sub-postmasters.
@simonk8270
@simonk8270 4 ай бұрын
Prison for senor ex management is the only way forward.
@JugglinJellyTake01
@JugglinJellyTake01 4 ай бұрын
Willingly prosecuted 100s of sub post masters, perjury, lied to government, misled investors on the liabilities and therefore the value of the organisation and shares. These are serious criminals that should receive long sentences. Any talk of self regulation should be viewed with serious scepticism. The taxpayer will also pick up the cost for pension scheme shortfalls. I hope executives are also stripped of their assets.
@richthompson1234
@richthompson1234 4 ай бұрын
The 'Proceeds of Crime Act' should kick in after someone is convicted of a crime.
@gerrybailey447
@gerrybailey447 4 ай бұрын
The Vicar of Diddly has cleaned up the money she received during this scandle, so now it's cleaner than as shirt thats been washed consecutively by every Chinese laundry in England.
@thedancingdreamman
@thedancingdreamman 4 ай бұрын
The shear audacity of the Post Office to throw their own staff under the bus is both disgusting and harrowing when you consider how many people took their own lives due to their lies…
@Victoriaward
@Victoriaward 4 ай бұрын
Thank you channel 4. Performing an absolutely vital role in society. Real journalism.
@sadjaxx
@sadjaxx 4 ай бұрын
Rarely seen in the UK. Very well done!
@colinlavery625
@colinlavery625 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennels, minister of the church, doesn't look good for the Church of England.
@stephendriscoll7549
@stephendriscoll7549 4 ай бұрын
She is a false church leader and should be sacked!
@markskoda8862
@markskoda8862 4 ай бұрын
She doesn't look good, plain and simple.
@Adrian_Nel
@Adrian_Nel 4 ай бұрын
@@markskoda8862 Yeah, mole rats ain't 'pretty' animals.
@brianharvey9765
@brianharvey9765 4 ай бұрын
Utterly disgraceful
@alanfrost4661
@alanfrost4661 4 ай бұрын
We well the jailings begin
@brianlopez8855
@brianlopez8855 4 ай бұрын
hard to believe she was actually a CoE Priest !
@tonygunn6889
@tonygunn6889 4 ай бұрын
Lock up time
@geraldandrew3289
@geraldandrew3289 4 ай бұрын
​@@brianlopez8855 Awful lot of hypocrisy in the CoE, we only have to look at it's current leadership, also in it's silence over the lockdowns 3 and 4 years ago when people suffering, not able to bury their loved ones with dignity, church mice comes to mind.
@IncognitoChild
@IncognitoChild 4 ай бұрын
The fact that the government has already given preferential consideration to Fujitsu with regards to the digital ID contract tells you all you need to know. Neglect and incompetency runs deep.
@OH2023-cj9if
@OH2023-cj9if 4 ай бұрын
Who do you think is behind Common Platform, the program forced in a real hurry in to every criminal court. The CPS and Police refuse to use it or share access to their systems through it. There is NO audit control, anyone can change or read and delete ANY criminal case, documents and hearing details without trace. There is also remote access to the system. The government contract is open ended because it was agreed the software will never be completed. No wonder people wanted to force this system in, a system that doesn't work and causes people to be kept in prison when they shouldn't be. How convenient to mess up cases or delete documents...
@harveyneedleman817
@harveyneedleman817 4 ай бұрын
And brown envelopes
@sadjaxx
@sadjaxx 4 ай бұрын
They have a current contract?!!!
@IncognitoChild
@IncognitoChild 4 ай бұрын
@@sadjaxx Can you not see the problem with that????!
@KeldonA
@KeldonA 4 ай бұрын
Life in jail. She is responsible for every suicide. We must not let her get away with this.
@Pieman2008i
@Pieman2008i 4 ай бұрын
The amount of money spent on lawyers could easily have gone on financial redress for the postmasters and this would be over.
@seonadmacleod139
@seonadmacleod139 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennells and her cohorts need to go to prison!
@kr0gan105
@kr0gan105 4 ай бұрын
They spent over £100 Million in lawyers fees but then want to give peanuts to the people the lives they destroyed. Sickening
@MrPinkStrat
@MrPinkStrat 4 ай бұрын
The CEO & Board of Directors Have Been Payed Their Bonuses The Sub Postmasters have NOT Been payed Their Compensation ! EVEN NOW !
@Manic.miner2077
@Manic.miner2077 4 ай бұрын
Has anyone been compensated yet? Have any of the executives gone to prison yet?
@emmettculleton7165
@emmettculleton7165 4 ай бұрын
Why is this woman not in prison or is lying to the government okay?
@fusionfan6883
@fusionfan6883 4 ай бұрын
And let’s not forget Vennals left the PO with a big bung only to take up another cushy job. Not only should she be prosecuted, but efforts should be made to recoup salary and payments. It is inconceivable she did not know about the issues, but even if she didn’t, there was a complete failure of corporate governance and the buck stopped with her.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
Villains every one of them
@gsxrinfrance5827
@gsxrinfrance5827 4 ай бұрын
I guess we all know that ABSOLUTELY no one in the top echelons of the P.O. will ever be prosecuted, let alone recieve a prison sentence, yet there isn't a decent person in the whole country that doesn't think those involved shouldn't be..
@HPB1776
@HPB1776 4 ай бұрын
Never a truer word spoken. It's a reflection of today's society. It makes me sick to the core.
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
Keep d peasants in line
@TheOwlsarewatching606
@TheOwlsarewatching606 4 ай бұрын
we know nothing of the sort
@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768
@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768 4 ай бұрын
The government and the rich all look after eachother. " The people " are just bugs in their way.
@peterbennett5910
@peterbennett5910 4 ай бұрын
The public need to see justice in action. Police please explain reason why Paula Vennells has not already been charged with perverting the course of justice?
@sianjones2760
@sianjones2760 4 ай бұрын
This women carried out miscarriage of Justice, covered up & lied.....She should be made to pay back every penny, plus compensation. And serve all the time other's did in prison plus some for her lies ! Absolutely appalling
@jonhelmer8591
@jonhelmer8591 4 ай бұрын
It's not complicated: Huge compensation for those who suffered. Prison for those responsible.
@tightcamper
@tightcamper 4 ай бұрын
A chap in my club worked with the PO 10 years back. He said it was common knowledge Horizon was useless and senior PO management were lying.
@cliffordbuttle4529
@cliffordbuttle4529 4 ай бұрын
I don’t doubt it for one minute they just keep digging the hole deeper 😮😮😮😮
@markmccoskrie2871
@markmccoskrie2871 4 ай бұрын
This really goes to prove how flawed the the current form of Government is along with the Justice system. These victims will never be compensated for their losses or pain and suffering.
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl 4 ай бұрын
I concur ❤❤❤
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
Nothing can compensate these innocent people their lives were destroyed d only thing I would wish for all d crooks involved should be behind bars sadly I can't see that happen these big boys control everything 😢
@marineboy1964
@marineboy1964 4 ай бұрын
This is a absolute disgrace A mass cover up on record People still need to be brought to justice
@OH2023-cj9if
@OH2023-cj9if 4 ай бұрын
It's disturbing that British justice is based on your bank account and not evidence.
@user-px3sw2up4p
@user-px3sw2up4p 4 ай бұрын
Why has Vennells not been charged with any criminal offences yet ?
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@BLUESKY-zt1nv
@BLUESKY-zt1nv 4 ай бұрын
.there is more chance of her getting a massive bonus for being a Beautiful looking woman than her going to prison.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
@@BLUESKY-zt1nv Harsh but true.
@rogernevin7461
@rogernevin7461 4 ай бұрын
Malfeasance in Public Office for starters.
@gilbertmoyes2918
@gilbertmoyes2918 4 ай бұрын
If the charged Vennells today people would start to ask, why haven't they charged people involved in PPE scandals, People involved in water company scandals, Heath care rip offs. HS2 debacle.To name but a few. Just too many people at the top making to much money. Someone has to keep these people in champagne and mansions and the UK general public are the one's they have chosen. For God sake UK, stop feeding the beast. PS, Met Police, The proverbial, Let's hide it under the rug.
@abbeysultan8359
@abbeysultan8359 4 ай бұрын
People were convicted and their lifes upturned. This is simple if you can convict post master's we can convict those responsible for the coverup. Those people prolonged the suffering trying to save their own skin. This country needs to see some justice.
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
Well said
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl
@TrevorHerbert-dj1jl 4 ай бұрын
Well said.❤❤❤
@thedangler1754
@thedangler1754 4 ай бұрын
How is it that Vennells avoids a jail sentence after all the lying she has done over many years? Vennells should be brought to court by the government immediately.
@michaelmcginley7930
@michaelmcginley7930 4 ай бұрын
She will escape jail .the establishmet eill make sure of that.she is one of their own
@mikeellis4345
@mikeellis4345 4 ай бұрын
Venells will no doubt bleat her ignorance of this recording
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 4 ай бұрын
Let her bleat all she wants from a prison cell.
@cliffordbuttle4529
@cliffordbuttle4529 4 ай бұрын
And poor old ED Davy 😮😮😮😮
@peterbennett5910
@peterbennett5910 4 ай бұрын
Sunak here is a chance for you. Stop Vennells pension payments. Write to her and tell her to pay back all bonuses she should never have received and also tell her she need to pay personally reparations to the post masters and their families
@suzannemcguigan2752
@suzannemcguigan2752 4 ай бұрын
They need lots more than what Vennels is worth.
@kevinsyd2012
@kevinsyd2012 4 ай бұрын
The sub-postmaster convictions started in1999/2000 funning up to 2010, and Vennells did not become CEO of the PO until 2012. What about those running the PO in the period 2000 - 2010 and those in government at that time?
@ZLFLG30
@ZLFLG30 4 ай бұрын
738 convictions. It was hardly a blip. Did they really believe 738 sub postmasters were stealing from them. It is a total joke if it weren’t so serious.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 4 ай бұрын
Of course they knew.
@WorkerDroid
@WorkerDroid 4 ай бұрын
Clearly the corporate structure is still holding firm within Post Office….delay, demand verification, deny, refuse……it’s astonishing that this corporation has not been thoroughly excised, and been shut out of the compensation process to the postmaster claimants. It should be an independent body that is authorised to expedite the claims, compensation and finalisations of the claims…because nobody can trust PO to be fair.
@ArjunGhag-ix7te
@ArjunGhag-ix7te 4 ай бұрын
Channel 4 did brilliantly on this
@FM-in8pn
@FM-in8pn 4 ай бұрын
Thats why the tories want to shut channel 4 news!
@aleccap5946
@aleccap5946 4 ай бұрын
They should go to prision not living the high life. Call this justice with our pathetic government dragging their feet
@jimbowers8278
@jimbowers8278 4 ай бұрын
In 2017, Paula Vennells was an Anglican minister and reached the shortlist of three for Bishop of London. After relinquishing her clerical duties in 2021, she remains an ordained priest. This is possibly why her word was so readily but mistakenly accepted.
@MarkHiggins-hq1st
@MarkHiggins-hq1st 4 ай бұрын
Really good reporting on this tragic criminal abuse of power.
@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers
@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers 4 ай бұрын
Why do those involved in the Post Office management need to hide behind the enquiry? They know whether or not they sent the innocent to prison. All they have to do is, say, yes we knew we were sending and had sent the innocent to prison. Simple. Honest. But, they have never been honest.
@hugolindum7728
@hugolindum7728 4 ай бұрын
The idea that Venels didn’t know is ridiculous. CEOs take personal interest in this kind of issue. She would have had it directly from Fujitsu.
@JugglinJellyTake01
@JugglinJellyTake01 4 ай бұрын
So has Fujitsu been investigated to see if monies were redirected? They should lose all government contracts, while the inquiry needs to give recommendations in the use of remote access and back doors to such software. Further, government needs to investigate whether this is an issue in other systems.
@doomwizards
@doomwizards 4 ай бұрын
The person in charge was an Anglican Priest, who could a someone from the church lied so blatantly.
@harveyneedleman817
@harveyneedleman817 4 ай бұрын
Have you looked at welby. He lies that he's a Christian every day
@conradharcourt8263
@conradharcourt8263 4 ай бұрын
Has Vennells been defrocked for her lies which wrecked the lives of thousands, not just the postmasters but their families.
@paulukjames7799
@paulukjames7799 4 ай бұрын
Yes she is no longer welcomed as a lay minister
@andybez5169
@andybez5169 4 ай бұрын
Prison sentence need handing out to these crooks
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@michaelmcginley7930
@michaelmcginley7930 4 ай бұрын
Aint gonns happen
@fusionfan6883
@fusionfan6883 4 ай бұрын
Justice delayed is justice denied!
@tonygunn6889
@tonygunn6889 4 ай бұрын
Post office as broken down
@pedromorgan99
@pedromorgan99 4 ай бұрын
@@tonygunn6889Imagine trying to recruit staff. .Kinda going strong now and put past behind
@pedromorgan99
@pedromorgan99 4 ай бұрын
The legal system is wonderful in the UK (lots of paperwork). means more hours
@danielrawlings8355
@danielrawlings8355 4 ай бұрын
End all food and drink deliveries into the Borough of Westminster. Stop feeding the beast.
@portcullis5622
@portcullis5622 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennels, Adam Crozier, Tim Parker, Ed Davey and many others are keeping a very low profile in recent months. I wonder why?
@PeterKirkMusician
@PeterKirkMusician 4 ай бұрын
How on earth did she go on to become a vicar????
@brianvidler1201
@brianvidler1201 4 ай бұрын
Why is a class action against Fujitsu and Post Office not being proposed?
@susanparkauntiesuze5447
@susanparkauntiesuze5447 4 ай бұрын
Isn’t she a friend of Welby?
@greenandpleasant5523
@greenandpleasant5523 4 ай бұрын
Apparently woke Welby has abandoned her.
@user-bl8zw4ol1j
@user-bl8zw4ol1j 4 ай бұрын
Well he has no backbone
@bomberdores1
@bomberdores1 4 ай бұрын
So should all those who had a higher level job and a direct influence on this scandal should be arrested and charged
@cliffordbuttle4529
@cliffordbuttle4529 4 ай бұрын
Well 😊😊
@cristosl
@cristosl 4 ай бұрын
Every single post I’ve read is demanding her arrest and conviction 👍
@mikewalton8086
@mikewalton8086 4 ай бұрын
The people involved should be named shamed and locked up.
@janwhite6038
@janwhite6038 4 ай бұрын
The recent Fujitsu UK gov contract for digital ID needs to be reconsidered, in the light of these recordings.
@michaelmouse4024
@michaelmouse4024 4 ай бұрын
Vennels - a good example of a pompous relic
@crunchyfrog555
@crunchyfrog555 4 ай бұрын
This is fraud. Simple and clear. This demonstrates they knew, they spoke of it and yet continued with the system and PROSECUTIONS. They must go to court.
@emmettculleton7165
@emmettculleton7165 4 ай бұрын
In any business, the CEO is responsible, she should be in jail
@maximusretardious4597
@maximusretardious4597 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennells should be in prison, she lied to the public, to the MP's and people were wrongfully conficted for it. nothing short of 15 years would be justice.
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But Paula is a woman so no chance.
@Elberto71
@Elberto71 4 ай бұрын
And profiting from it aswell 😒
@StimParavane
@StimParavane 4 ай бұрын
But she is a woman so no chance.
@hugolindum7728
@hugolindum7728 4 ай бұрын
15 years? For sending others to prison for decades.
@joelfildes5544
@joelfildes5544 4 ай бұрын
Not a chance.
@alglavic8475
@alglavic8475 4 ай бұрын
People's lives were ruined because of what they knew and did. All of those responsible should be prosecuted.
@EdgyNumber1
@EdgyNumber1 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennells.... lovely bit of jail time. JAIL TIME!
@mandriod5255
@mandriod5255 4 ай бұрын
Seems there needs to be the people that knew about this should be locked up they are criminals
@StuartJ
@StuartJ 4 ай бұрын
There is no appetite to lock these people up. I have watched all of the witnesses so far in the enquiry. Many of them should be in jail already.
@noelfleming3567
@noelfleming3567 4 ай бұрын
On several counts
@davidstone9786
@davidstone9786 4 ай бұрын
Vennels is supposed to be a person of faith. She's nothing but a liar and a hypocrite. Considering the lives she's ruined ,I don't know how she lives with her conscience.
@jasonharryphotog
@jasonharryphotog 4 ай бұрын
100 million wasted, outrageous when they know it is a lie
@crunchyfrog555
@crunchyfrog555 4 ай бұрын
Also, thank you Channel 4 news for yet again showing that someone in the UK is at least still doing proper journalism.
@mikeharvey9811
@mikeharvey9811 4 ай бұрын
The post office should never have been sold off. Shame on the Lib Dem’s and tories. Barb
@StuartJ
@StuartJ 4 ай бұрын
All this happened while in government hands.
@gordoncampbell100
@gordoncampbell100 4 ай бұрын
Royal Mail was sold off , not the Post Office .Get your facts right .
@tomtucker83
@tomtucker83 4 ай бұрын
The Post Office was never sold, it is still Government owned. Royal Mail was sold ,which has nothing to do with the present scandal. A Labour politician, Tony Benn, bears some responsibility for Horizon, because he rescued ICL from bankruptcy.
@tricky1581
@tricky1581 4 ай бұрын
Think you are confusing The Post Office and the Royal Mail which are two separate companies. The Post Office was not sold off, and it is still owned 100% by UK Government. This will mean that when compensation is eventually paid to the sub post masters, it will be out of the pockets of the British taxpayer. The letter & parcel delivery service Royal Mail was privatised by the conservative Government in 2013 but retained 30% of the company before selling the remaining stake in 2015.
@sie4431
@sie4431 4 ай бұрын
Um, what have the lib Dems got to do with it?
@smellslikethinice1107
@smellslikethinice1107 4 ай бұрын
Jail time, for all involved. If they were willing to let people serve time...then the same cruelty applies.
@nommag2383
@nommag2383 4 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter if Vennals knew or not, she should have, she gets paid for knowing what's going on, she's the skipper and she's responsible.
@robhayes6121
@robhayes6121 4 ай бұрын
What more evidence do you require, an arrest warrant should be issued to make sure all parties are protected.
@annette9354
@annette9354 4 ай бұрын
Refreshing to see at last a great piece of investigative journalism for a change. More of it please and more of these protected criminals held to account. One rule for us and another for us.
@roybatty2030
@roybatty2030 4 ай бұрын
How the CEO had the sheer face to accept an OBE while spending £100M of taxpayers’s money to jail people that she knew were likely innocent… jail is necessary to restore public confidence.
@threethrushes
@threethrushes 4 ай бұрын
'Public confidence' - is that a joke? People have short memories. I remember the Conservative scandals involving MPs and their expenses, the Labour scandals involved second, and third-homes all mortgages paid by the tax-payer. There is zero confidence in politicians for decades now. Anyhow, not my problem anymore. I emigrated 10 years ago, but it is sad to see a once-great nation reduced to simple avarice.
@noumanchoudry3147
@noumanchoudry3147 4 ай бұрын
Oh you can bet your last £1 on it that no one from the top will ever go jail and if they do it will be so short that it will be like a holiday
@majudaem
@majudaem 4 ай бұрын
Lock her up!!! Why hasn’t she been arrested
@bwghall1
@bwghall1 2 ай бұрын
WHY WHY What hold has she Got. and Whom!
@andrewdenby8239
@andrewdenby8239 4 ай бұрын
The Met have had 4 years and have, in that time, managed to interview only 2 people. That is a classic 'kick the can down the road' tactic, what are they waiting for? Those involved to put themselves beyond the reach of the UK courts? If the Met want to be taken seriously they need to pull their finger out and get those involved charged.
@johnself8766
@johnself8766 4 ай бұрын
Some Post office sub masters took their own lives, others went to jail and lost their livelihoods as a result of this mis courage of justice. Paula Vennels was at the heart of it , she was told that Fujitsu’s had manipulated the data to protect themselves, she then protected herself by covering the whole thing up, she should be tried in the high court like any other person and serve the correct amount of time as a murderer.
@johncallaghan5003
@johncallaghan5003 4 ай бұрын
The police say it will take years to get to the bottom of this. That's telling us the detectives involved must be stupid ,if you consider a murderer is jailed swiftly.
@langtoun8235
@langtoun8235 4 ай бұрын
Shouldn’t take years at all, months at most. The enquiry has done all the hard work and pulled together all of the evidence. Literally all that would be required would be framing the criminal charges. In addition, I would expect a number of the lawyers involved to be struck off, even if they don’t face criminal charges. Once the enquiry concludes a number of those interviewed who are still working will suddenly find that their employers no longer require their services and they will effectively become unemployable.
@adamwaddoups7811
@adamwaddoups7811 4 ай бұрын
Paula you piece of work
@ben001
@ben001 4 ай бұрын
How were these recordings obtained? Because whoever had access to them should have come forward sooner. Their silence meant that people suffered for longer than they had to.
@shieldaigbencher
@shieldaigbencher 4 ай бұрын
Paula Vennells needs to be in prison.
@frankward8336
@frankward8336 4 ай бұрын
WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?
@matt_cummins28
@matt_cummins28 4 ай бұрын
Why, in the reporting of this story, is there no mention of Private Eye's reporting of it? Way ahead of everyone else.
@alexmitchell7563
@alexmitchell7563 4 ай бұрын
Ed Davey should not be allowed to blame the post office for his incompetence
@Ken-er9cq
@Ken-er9cq 4 ай бұрын
This guy has spent the last 10 years, knowing that something that had happened was wrong, but being restricted by non-disclosure agreements. I expect that now he has been able to include it in his evidence, so there is no longer a restriction on him. I get the impression that he is a bit annoyed and will be very happy to dump any of the post office management in it. One thing about Paula Vennels is that even if she didn't know originally, when she found out that there was a problem with the convictions, she had an obligation to reveal what had happened. The post office is going to do what the government wants it to. If they haven't already, they will be getting a completely new management team, who will be told that they are expected to play by the rules. The post office doesn't have the money to pay restitution, so the government will be paying their share.
@snatch709
@snatch709 4 ай бұрын
Agree we need to see some Criminal convictions and serious sentences, possibly including some lawyers
@adrianlloyd6403
@adrianlloyd6403 4 ай бұрын
It tells you all you need to know about many public services, involved in scandals, that management thought they could behave like this under the arrogant assumption that they would never be answerable or accountable for their criminal actions.Why would they have behaved like this otherwise? They had everything to gain in the way of juicy salaries and annual bonuses,but everything to lose from revealing the rotten IT system and questioning the PO contract with Fujitsu. This cover up went on for decades, with no one being able to break the conspiracy of silence and lies, because the post office was a revered,trusted and reputable organisation,being protected by vested interests.A fish rots from the head down.....just like the post office.Fujitsu's management, meanwhile, have just as many questions to answer for their reprehensible behaviour.The public will demand nothing less than prison sentences for all those involved in this conspiracy of silence that destroyed many innocent people's lives.Justice demands it, if there is anything left of the credibility of so called British justice.
@gillianmcmullan6023
@gillianmcmullan6023 4 ай бұрын
Andrew Bridgeton brought this up years ago and was ignored Labour need not climb on the bandwagon now.
@thomassummerhill6357
@thomassummerhill6357 4 ай бұрын
They should be made to hand over every penny they fraudulently took , they were not doing the job they were paid for .
@cliffordbuttle4529
@cliffordbuttle4529 4 ай бұрын
That nothing new if they knew what there were doing they would not have got the job in the first place 😅😅😅😅
@stevewhite658
@stevewhite658 4 ай бұрын
Feel quite sick after seeing Edd Davey spinning why he is just inept, rather than part of the problem!
@conradharcourt8263
@conradharcourt8263 4 ай бұрын
So if what we all believed to be a trustworthy institution lies then we are 'inept' if we believe them. At least Davey said something, the God knows how many Tory ministers since have stayed in hiding. Odd that the press chose to pick on Davey alone. More Tory lies and corruption, situation normal!
@thesmallerhalf1968
@thesmallerhalf1968 4 ай бұрын
Why pick on Davey? He was just one of a number of ministers over time. The defence that he was deliberately lied to by PO management is entirely consistent with what was are hearing now.
@stevewhite658
@stevewhite658 4 ай бұрын
@@thesmallerhalf1968 Davey went on to work privately for those who prosecuted these poor people and made tens of thousands of pounds! On top of his very nice salary ! In business sometimes people lie to you but he went with those who were to pay him handsomely rather than giving an equal ear to the little people. Davey is someone without honour and is self serving!
@marqbeatty2694
@marqbeatty2694 4 ай бұрын
If there's such a thing as genuine British justice remaining in our country, ex P.O. CEO Paula Vennells should be arrested; questioned; charged if any unearthed crimes meet the appropriate legal threshold and then sent for trial at Crown court. If found guilty after a trial, one would imagine a custodial sentence would be the most appropriate punishment.
@rosemarymonty5399
@rosemarymonty5399 4 ай бұрын
Anybody who lied and are still alive should be charged! Regardless of who they are or how high up in the Post Office. They did not give any breaks to the people who had the post office sites so they are not entitled to any breaks themselves. Any taxpayers money spent on litigation for Post Office Employees must have been known and approved by the Government.
@sprint955st
@sprint955st 4 ай бұрын
No one will go to prison. Those responsible will remain free, and people will continue dying and never seeing the proper amount of reimbursement and compensation - note, those two are separate amounts. Government is complicit; politicians like Sunak are rich enough to not care, they don’t suffer, they have nothing to lose. I don’t believe any of that is fair, but I believe that is how it will pan out.
@user-dt2up9wo4u
@user-dt2up9wo4u 4 ай бұрын
The people who’s passed away there families should get the money
@thelegendofspitfirehunter1457
@thelegendofspitfirehunter1457 4 ай бұрын
SEND THEM TO PRISON
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