Potential Bonds - A SciShow Video Response

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Frame of Essence

Frame of Essence

9 жыл бұрын

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This is a video response to a SciShow Talk Show interview with Veritasium:
• Logic Problems, Energy...
SciShow's Channel: / @scishow
Veritasium's Channel: / 1veritasium
Potential Energy Links:
Gravitational force: • Why the solar system c...
Strong interaction: • Your Mass is NOT From ...
Nuclear force: phet.colorado.edu/en/simulatio...
***This video uses a simplified model of how organisms process glucose. In actual cellular respiration, organisms do not convert glucose and oxygen directly into water and carbon dioxide. There are internetiate steps. Also, there are other ways in which organisms can process glucose, namely processes which to not take up oxygen. This is why plants can produce more oxygen than they use, and why you and I are not suffocating right now.
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UPDATE - Aug 18, 2015
The Science Asylum made a good video response to the interview as well. Check it out: • Bonds Do NOT Have Energy!

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@ScienceAsylum
@ScienceAsylum 9 жыл бұрын
I saw this same SciShow vid when it came out and it had me off balance for a day or so... but it's all a matter of where you define "zero" energy. The physics equations we use define zero potential energy at infinity (so, basically, the end of the universe or no bond). In biology, you never actually get to "no bond" because there are always chemicals, so it doesn't make as much sense to use the same zero. I've actually been meaning to do a video about this. Looks like you beat me to it ;-)
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 9 жыл бұрын
***** Haha, don't let me stop you! It's always interesting to see different perspectives.
@liamamyot5608
@liamamyot5608 7 жыл бұрын
YOU GOTTA PUT MORE VIDEOS OUT! you're an amazing presenter/host!
@MakeMeThinkAgain
@MakeMeThinkAgain 8 жыл бұрын
I came here from Veritasium but I have to agree with Hank while seeing Derick's point. An energy bar contains energy even though you have to expend energy in digesting it.
@sgouli
@sgouli 8 жыл бұрын
love your videos! :D you give a great perspective on the topics at hand, hope to see more in the future ^^
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 8 жыл бұрын
***** made a really good video response to the interview as well. Check it out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZlpodp_0pa8lqs.html
@ObjectsInMotion
@ObjectsInMotion 8 жыл бұрын
In that case, if we are using Hank's argument, we should say the energy is stored in the oxygen, because most of the energy is released when the CO bonds are formed into CO2, not when the glucose OH bonds form water. The error comes in singling out glucose as the energy storer.
@saltyman7888
@saltyman7888 7 жыл бұрын
has senpai noticed you yet?
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 7 жыл бұрын
金大恩 :'(
@saltyman7888
@saltyman7888 7 жыл бұрын
Frame of Essence its ok. one day.
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 7 жыл бұрын
金大恩 :D
@anonymoushawk1429
@anonymoushawk1429 8 жыл бұрын
You have awesome science videos!!
@noamtashma2859
@noamtashma2859 8 жыл бұрын
you missed half the argument, in my opinion. people usually say glucose is rich in energy and that this energy is stored in the bonds of glucose. but the energy that glucose isn't actually coming from there - it comes from the the carbon's and the oxygen's merging into carbon dioxide. it isn't that people usually say that the energy of environment A (=glucose + oxygen) is greater than that of environment B (=water + carbon monoxide). rather, they're saying glucose carries energy. the popular explanation never says "glucose and oxygen carry more energy than water and carbon dioxide", they say "glucose has energy". and that's wrong and misleading.
@josephmarsh5031
@josephmarsh5031 6 жыл бұрын
I like his videos but I agree with you. I do think he had a point about it being a better cognitive tool but I think we as people are too prone to creating narratives rather than understanding the facts of any given matter.
@orlandomoreno6168
@orlandomoreno6168 4 жыл бұрын
It's not wrong. Glucose "has energy" in some potential form.
@HeythemMD
@HeythemMD 3 жыл бұрын
So does carbon dioxide...
@Njuuuuuu
@Njuuuuuu 9 жыл бұрын
First! Mom will be proud
@jmanzx5508
@jmanzx5508 8 жыл бұрын
This video (and the one from The Science Asylum) quite enlightened me. Thumbs up!
@ak7586
@ak7586 8 жыл бұрын
Dude, what a community... ☺
@iamamithshetty
@iamamithshetty 6 жыл бұрын
Greatest explainer.
@Lolwutdesu9000
@Lolwutdesu9000 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Next, all the mistakes in MinutePhysics videos!
@aajjeee
@aajjeee 7 жыл бұрын
so its true that the energy isnt in the bonds, but as a potential energy what can be made from creating more stable bonds
@Tomyb15
@Tomyb15 8 ай бұрын
Derek is right as far as the point he was making is concerned. Any particular bond is a net loss of energy compared to the same atoms when broken apart from each other. Hank often said that "energy is released when breaking chemical bonds" which is precisely the misconception that Derek was correcting. But it is true that the molecule of glucose has more energy than the co2 and water that it came from, and that energy is indeed somewhere in the bonds of the molecule. But the point is that the entire molecule as a whole, the system of bonds, has more energy than the molecules used to make the glucose. Stronger and more stable bonds in co2 and water were replaced with a bunch of other bonds that when compared to the bonds in co2 and water, have more potential energy. Another caveat is that you need o2 to break apart the glucose and release the 23 or so atp molecules' worth of energy. That o2 also has a weaker bond than the bonds in the final product and thus contributes to the net energy output of the reaction. Meaning that it's not really correct to consider fuel to be the "source" of energy in a redox reaction (as we often think).
@garetclaborn
@garetclaborn 6 жыл бұрын
"really guys? doesn't it seem a little silly to argue about this?" [proceeds to present arguments]
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 6 жыл бұрын
But it's an argument about the argument, so I get a pass right? :P
@garetclaborn
@garetclaborn 6 жыл бұрын
psch nah you only get a pass because you had good arguments lol aint no inception up in here
@sssgautammm
@sssgautammm 6 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, keep making awesome videos. Ignore comments from the haters. :V
@chazguthrieful
@chazguthrieful 2 жыл бұрын
I sure miss your making new videos.
@ourtube1128
@ourtube1128 2 жыл бұрын
You and I both man. I subscribed a long while back thinking they'd continue and he'd be up with the best of them :-/
@unoriginalusernameno999
@unoriginalusernameno999 6 жыл бұрын
Its all very conventional. Consider two situations where in the first case the object undergoes an exothermic process and second, an endothermic process. Case 1: Exothermic Object loses heat Medium gains heat. Case 2: Endothermic Object gains heat Medium loses heat. You see, if the object undergoes an exothermic process then it is an endothermic process for the medium and vice versa. So in a closed system where there is an object and a medium, there can never be an "increased" energy state or "decreased" energy state. It is very subjective, when we talk about this and we have adopted the convention that bonding means that the newly formed molecule has more energy than when its component atoms are seperated.
@TheSandreGuy
@TheSandreGuy 8 жыл бұрын
Why can't these guys just ask a *chemist*?
@purewaterruler
@purewaterruler 8 жыл бұрын
+The Sandre Guy hank is a chemist.
@TheSandreGuy
@TheSandreGuy 8 жыл бұрын
purewaterruler Really?
@Tiago211287
@Tiago211287 7 жыл бұрын
DO you think Chemists would know? We are constantly teaching stuff that seems correct but are misleading.
@Dani0x1B
@Dani0x1B 6 жыл бұрын
Chemistry is just applied physics...
@garetclaborn
@garetclaborn 6 жыл бұрын
ha hank is not a chemist. he's an avid science spokesman with a bachelor's in biochem sure. he is capable of chemistry but i would be pretty surprised if even he would call himself a chemist let's not get carried away here lol
@theowleyes07
@theowleyes07 6 жыл бұрын
Hey have you have ever heard about ATP
@ohokcool
@ohokcool 7 жыл бұрын
It makes more sense to think of it as energy storage because it demonstrates the relative increase in potential energy in the system. I think you were too fair with Derek's argument. Simply put, if you put more energy into a system than you lose getting it to a stable configuration, the energy is being stored. Derek's view seems to ambiguate or ignore relative potential energy that's the only problem I have with it. It makes more sense to look at final potential change rather than based on change relative to the transition state. What do you guys think?
@mina86
@mina86 7 жыл бұрын
Derek’s point is that energy is stored *in the system* but not *in the bonds*. For example, O2 molecule has less energy than two oxygen atoms.
@johnnybravo1041
@johnnybravo1041 6 жыл бұрын
Dude I might recommend changing the music; it doesn't really feel like the right demographic.
@yyny0
@yyny0 8 жыл бұрын
3:48 U 2
@MaxwellsWitch
@MaxwellsWitch 6 жыл бұрын
It's not in the lowest possible ground state--the end!
@kamran133
@kamran133 7 жыл бұрын
No dislikes as it should be! Great job.
@biratuba
@biratuba 7 жыл бұрын
what is the third video at 1:57 like i doesn't have an hyperlink
@frameofessence
@frameofessence 7 жыл бұрын
It's a PhET simulation. Link in the description
@josephkent9870
@josephkent9870 2 жыл бұрын
I wounder if the sun will go dead out 1st or humanity. If humanity goes out 1st, it could be ww3, large meteorite, cosmic event (blackhole). Only time will tell, and in the end life is what we make of it. I'm glad to live in a time where the world is so interconnected more than ever, since the past 200 years.
@tofolcano9639
@tofolcano9639 8 жыл бұрын
verissassastium?
@TacoSt8
@TacoSt8 7 жыл бұрын
its physics vs biology
@AnstonMusic
@AnstonMusic 8 жыл бұрын
I see that someone's been listening to HI. :D Veristablium.
@guineapigger3426
@guineapigger3426 6 жыл бұрын
You're representation of of photosynthesis is wrong and not because it doesn't show the complex pathways. The oxygen that comes out of plants didn't come in in the form of CO2 like you show here; it came in as water and was split to supply hydrogen radicals. Since aerobic respiration evolved from photosynthesis, the oxygen you breath in comes out as water not CO2. Please don't promote this common misconception.
@PasinduPereralink
@PasinduPereralink 8 жыл бұрын
Ha, take that KZfaq
@randomquestion7592
@randomquestion7592 7 жыл бұрын
This is all beautifull and so but.....first make some basic videos that explain atoms and bonds.
@harsharya545
@harsharya545 3 жыл бұрын
Energy is lost
@JesusChristlovesyouverymuch
@JesusChristlovesyouverymuch 9 ай бұрын
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