Pour Over Coffee Discussion: Dialing in Your Coffee

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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
1:56 Overview
2:26 Initial Standard Brew
5:05 Initial Observations
7:04 First Sip Thoughts
8:08 Adjustments and Dialing in
10:25 Conclusion

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@seblew4091
@seblew4091 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. If it's okay I'd like to give some feedback :) It would be nice if you talked more about actually dialling in the coffee instead of starting the discussion at 8 minutes... And even after that point you spoke about the coffee itself rather than what parameters may need to be adjusted. Troubleshooting is really what "dialling in" is, right? So rather than "yeah this coffee is a bit thin, it would be nicer if it was more textured", it would be great if you went more into detail about how adjusting temperature, grind size, ratio, pouring speed and method, etc. And it sounds like you're making everything up on the spot as you film. I think if you want to make higher quality videos it would help to follow a script :) I hope that makes sense and good luck with your videos :)
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestions! I take these comments to heart since I am looking to improve. I do roughly script things out like there’s a layout but for the most part it is as it goes. Hmm, I will definitely work on an updated version of this since it didn’t tackle the dialing in issue enough. Thank you again and I too hope to improve and produce better content for you!
@passthebrew4936
@passthebrew4936 3 жыл бұрын
This was excellent. Great job explaining each piece of the puzzle, especially during the pour!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mattdasilva4577
@mattdasilva4577 2 жыл бұрын
Really great content. It's great to finally hear some in depth thoughts on how your actual pour affects agitation, flow, and overall extraction. I've really struggled to find info on this elsewhere. Often people share recipes but with no insight into why they are pouring in certain way, why they made the decision, what they are trying to achieve. Which is really confusing when your starting out and trying to figure out what on earth is going on in your v60 beyond grindsize and water temperature
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss! I also struggled to find more explanations on things. Glad you’re loving the content! Thank you for thissss!
@alaskavaper966
@alaskavaper966 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. One takeaway for me is that I have been starting with my kettle too full to benefit from the very slow pour rate that seems to be helpful.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah sometimes we don't really think about these things. Glad it helped!
@fran9420
@fran9420 3 жыл бұрын
this was a great video! thank you Vincent :D
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@TheBasicBarista
@TheBasicBarista 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 2k Subs!!! Quick question... Any techniques for removing Chaff from ground coffee? On another note Great Vid! Love your stuff as always Xx
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I do actually, you can remove it by blowing on the grinds gently, I actually on my grinder I do not tap the fines that come out at the end so there’s less chaff. If you’re using a manual one it is a bit harder though. I don’t think it plays a huge role but chaff and fines don’t have flavour so I would brew tighter ratios and slightly faster instead!
@TheBasicBarista
@TheBasicBarista 3 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE Awesome! Cheers, I am going to try this next time I have a chaffy-coffee. Will try not to make too much of a mess ahahaha
@MrKerner1111
@MrKerner1111 2 жыл бұрын
You deserve so many more subs. Would love some vids on roasting for home roasters.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Awww thank youuu! We are also still learning roasting ourselves so .. it’s kind of complicated 😂
@gordoncollier4988
@gordoncollier4988 3 жыл бұрын
another great vid thanks V! been practicing and nailed my first proper spin using just the kettle yay! Question for ya (may be related to stir or pour not sure)... when assessing the mound left at the end of your brew, what does it mean when the coarser grinds are at the top of the mound instead of it being a bit 'pastier'? Is this over agitation, under agitation etc? I haven't changed the grind size but have noticed recently the grinds that end at the top being bigger... not sure if this is good or not! So it leads me to think there's something in the technique I need to work more on. Thx in advance and looking forward to next vids!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
So pastier is like when it becomes almost like a sludge. When coffee is fully extracted it'll become more pasty. You'll notice if you do multiple pours on a finer grind water will almost cease to flow through the pasty grinds. It's to do with agitation during your pour. If you press all the floating darker grinds up then you'll have been extracting from everything for longer. The pastiness happens a lot faster when your stream isn't lifting the coffees up either so if your water is too high and the water isn't digging down then your coffees will just be forced into the bottom and when water passes through it becomes a lot more pasty. So the ends at the top being bigger isn't necessarily an issue. If you could send me a picture via instagram it'll be a little easier for me to judge. If it's like super chunky and looks like rocks on a beach then probably you're under extracting your coffees!
@orrinbelcher6593
@orrinbelcher6593 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video fun and informative, great tips
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
@mario-vena-barista
@mario-vena-barista 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I would like to know what filter paper you use? Thank you very much for all the great content!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome! We use standard Hario filters for Hario drippers and origami filters for origami drippers!
@mario-vena-barista
@mario-vena-barista 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE Thanks a lot!
@michaelbanuelos969
@michaelbanuelos969 3 жыл бұрын
awesome vid man
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kwok57
@kwok57 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Appreciate the observations/critique in real-time.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We’re trying ir work on different styles!
@taylorwhite3636
@taylorwhite3636 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Vincent Thanks for your videos Your pour over has been a topic of a lot of discussion recently on the Decent (espresso) discord. Many folks there (me included) are really enjoying your v60 single pour style! What is your favorite brewer to use paired with your PO technique?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
oh! This is interesting. I literally bought one yesterday, it’s being shipped over. I’m gonna dabble in espresso nect 😂 . Glad you guys like it!! Wooo!! My favourite brewer for sure is the origami (small size)
@tcandeuyt
@tcandeuyt 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for the video. What was the water temperature you used in this brew? Thanks
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! We generally use 89-91 degrees for all our coffees 😊
@edwincartagena1560
@edwincartagena1560 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, it would also be great to know what roast the coffee you’re brewing.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Ah okay! Sure! We can do that, we just brew our own coffees that we roast. Most of our coffees are around medium but we shall mention that in future videos!
@benjaminzhang9396
@benjaminzhang9396 2 жыл бұрын
Do you ever get a stalled brew after the stirring? I really like the fine grind + no bloom part, but its always the stirring that gets my coffee bed stalled. It is almost as if my stirring opens up the paths for the fines to sink to the bottom of my filter paper and clog it. My grinder is a full metal manual which is already very good in terms of fines. Could you talk about fines and stalled brews in a future video please? Many people struggle with it. Thx!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Nope I don’t get a stall. It probably is cause I don’t stir very long it’s just to get a motion. I definitely will go into the stalling. I wasn’t aware people have been struggling it thank you for the suggestion!
@benjaminzhang9396
@benjaminzhang9396 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE yeah the niche difference in your technique probably made some big difference. I'd suggest using some typical cheaper grinders to test out fines. Chestnut c2, baratza encore for example. Another thing is that my brew tend to be a bit "cloudier" which might indicate fines getting in my brew? Not a huge problem but perhaps worth talking about. I personally prefer a clean cup. Not a huge fan of cloudy French press for example.
@z3r0w1ng
@z3r0w1ng 2 жыл бұрын
More great content as I scour all your videos. Thank you for your thoughts on coffee. A question I have is, I noticed you actually compress the divot in the middle. I am sure you have experimented with this technique a lot, but I was wondering why the compression? As in all my experience of doing pour over technique compressing the middle has been avoided due to slowing the water and mitigating some of the benefits of the v60 method and allowing for more bypass to occur. Perhaps, bypass is the answer, lol. I will definitely experiment with your technique as anything new for me is simply another learning experience.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
HEYY! VERY good observation, so the tap differs between each type of bean and what I wish to achieve with it. By stirring the grinds before we have stopped the clumping already. As for different taps, there are beans that sink extremely quickly (tend to be lighter) and ones that have more gas and lift. So packing it makes the first drip come out later. Depending on how you pack it you change your pour. So for example on my single pour (Brazil) it’s a very fast sinker so for me the technique I use is to pack it a little bit more flat so the divot is weaker. This way I can maximize the extraction early in the brew. So I pour extra slow as well but the secret is speed up and to pour really quickly down the middle to lift all the coffee and speed up the drain time. It’s just slow in the beginning and then speed up to make sure there’s no clogging. As for “bypass” like through the side of the filter, it’s going to happen anyways. The rate at which bypass or side channeling happens is constant at the same height. The higher your water level is the more “bypass” happens. But it isn’t really an issue IMO. It’s an overrated and not calculated thing. It just helps with speed. If your pour technique is good enough you will have a full extraction anyways. There are small tests we can do to prove this but yeah. Probably a long winded answer but if you have any other questions keep asking away 😬
@z3r0w1ng
@z3r0w1ng 2 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE Thank you for the well put reply. Never long winded when a good answer is given. Thank you for the answer and I have started using this technique and will let you know how my brews progress. ;-)
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Do let me know what you think of it, packing is like another level of testing but yeah. Remember it’s all in the conceptualizatioj of how yoh want the coffee beans and water to flow. I think a lot of it is FLOW and the imagination for it
@deo.strengthspan.project
@deo.strengthspan.project Жыл бұрын
Dialing in question for you! My resulting brew this morning tasted good, but I’m experiencing a bit of astringency. I feel the conventional approach would be to adjust grind coarser, but since your approach tends to keep grind size the same, I would be interested in your thoughts about how you would address astringency in the cup. Granted, my brewing parameters are a bit different from yours (larger batch, no bypass, weaker ratio), so apologies if that complicates the situation a bit. Here’s this morning’s recipe: Coffee: Peru single original anaerobic natural process Grind: Baratza Encore setting 14 Ratio: 31 g coffee to 500 g water Brewer: Cafec Flower, plastic Brew time: 01:54 I notice my brew time is quite fast given this larger batch, but I feel like pouring slower wouldn’t address astringency(?) I could be wrong. Perhaps a larger coffee to water ratio would help? As always, thank you for your videos and sharing your thoughts!
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
WOOOO Ok, so given your parameters I feel your coffee could be weak. Your flow rate is actually very high tbh. For you to finish 500 grams in 1:54 is actually quite quick. So if anything I might even try grinding .. finer .. HAHAHAHA The astringency might actually be from a weak brew. If you can't start with a slower pour you should still try. The go back to your normal speed, but your flavours should balance out a bit more. If you could send me a picture of your finished coffee, like the grounds. Send that to me over instagram and I'll help you figure it out a little more!
@deo.strengthspan.project
@deo.strengthspan.project Жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE thank you for the help! 🙏🏼 Yes, totally could be a pouring technique issue. I am trying to start the initial center pour as slow as I can, but perhaps I am still too fast. And I will try finer grind, very possible I haven’t optimized grind size for the technique to the point where it’s a variable to be left alone just yet.
@bars9316
@bars9316 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how can you make that dome shape on the coffee bed all the time
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Ahaha it’s just understanding the pour and then stirring quickly from top and outside to the bottom inside
@deo.strengthspan.project
@deo.strengthspan.project Жыл бұрын
My resulting brew bed dome shape has gotten better as I’ve gotten less timid with the chopstick stir at the end. So I’ve found stirring more aggressively and really get that coffee slurry moving in a swirling vortex results in a brew bed that looks more like Vince’s.
@edwincartagena1560
@edwincartagena1560 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, but can you recommend a grind setting for the Comandante hand grinder?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Sorry foe the late reply. I inquired a few friends and had them send me pictures since I don’t have the comandante grinder myself. They suggested around 16 clicks! Give that a try and let me know how it works for you!
@edwincartagena1560
@edwincartagena1560 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, I normally brew 13 grams worth of coffee at a 1:15 ratioat, can you guys do a video with an ideal recipe for that amount of coffee?
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
If you follow us on instagram make sure to tag me with this comment so I can do an IG story for you! I'll show you a full brew there!
@edwincartagena1560
@edwincartagena1560 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I don’t have Instagram.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
@@edwincartagena1560 Ahhhh hmm okay we can do a youtube shorts for you :) let me figure this out ahaha
@YKKY
@YKKY 3 жыл бұрын
I love the video subject and info but pretty please, why yelling??
@lukesp5721
@lukesp5721 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting but lots of pseudoscience. Actual dialing in with a more fact base explanation would be interesting.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t claim my methods are the correct way do I? I merely say this is how I dial in my coffees and my thoughts on how I would adjust to the beans I’m currently using. Though .. if you guys want a more in-depth kinda video .. you got it! I’ll get onto that 👍🏼 I’ll try being more factual on things. I do just sometimes feel like sharing personal thoughts.
@lukesp5721
@lukesp5721 3 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE thanks, yeah I enjoy your video and many of other tutorials I see online. but I usually find the videos less fact based. I've been brewing and roasting for nearly 20 years but I'm still of the mindset I know nearly nothing. I always try to stay openinded to try new ways to do stuff. I tried your method on some coffee I roasted.. of which there probably to many variabilities known and unknown to really translate exactly but I found my lower quality coffees tasted a littler rounder and slightly sweeter kinda like an aeropress. The higher end unique coffees I tried tasted round and less unique, it was missing some of those really distinct notes that makes a cup standout. But recipes don't always translate verses tips and facts.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukesp5721 agreed yeah. I personally do like the rounder mouth feels and flavours. On the note of complexity, there's generally more complexity if you end up brewing for a little longer. A lot of my techniques are based off feelings and not super scientific. I do run specific tests to verity my theories. 20 years though! Congrats! I'm actually relatively new, started coffee like 5 years ago at most just opened a shop and learned as I was running it ahaha ... (bad idea)
@lukesp5721
@lukesp5721 3 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE I'll keep experimenting :) I find every coffee is so unique I end up changing my method. Haha , 20 years is good for shaping the palate and knowing what and why I like something. but as you know there is so much info out there now you could probably learn everything I know in one year 👍.
@xRazzzza
@xRazzzza Жыл бұрын
Terrible video... you didn't explain how to dial in the coffee at all. You didn't mention changing any variables such as grind size and water temp. All you said was you would pour a little slower next time and didn't even mention if the coffee was under or over extracted.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching the video :) It's been a while since I made this video. I do believe I did talk about the grind size and how I never change it really. Incase I missed it, I believe in doing finer grinds. The finer the grinds the more consistent the grind size at least from a deviation point of view. As for water temp, generally the rule is lighter coffee = higher water temp, darker = lower water temp, Is that it? You can watch my newer videos on what determines an over or under extracted coffee. I talk about how a certain shape/granularness to the grinds and pastiness show either under extracted or over. Generally under extracted have granular looking grinds on the walls of the dripper. Over extracted is when your beans are just super pasty at the top. Though you probably won't watch this I do think you should to understand my thought process. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/esiKqrZ3nZ65qI0.html&ab_channel=TALESCOFFEE Have fun with your coffee journey hehehehehe
@xquadra
@xquadra 3 жыл бұрын
These videos show up in my feed quite a lot and I’d like to watch them, but that dirty grinder puts me off every time. I couldn’t trust brewing techniques from anyone with that grinder as backdrop.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
All these guys with their perfectly cleaned grinder is just suspicious. At least you know I make a lot of coffee ;) but will clean for next video haha.
@xquadra
@xquadra 3 жыл бұрын
@@TALESCOFFEE C'mon... it is not suspicious. If you own a café, lab or roaster you keep things clean as they perform better.
@TALESCOFFEE
@TALESCOFFEE 3 жыл бұрын
I do daily check ups, it’s just during the video I had to refilm the scenes a few times 😂 you know .. noob tuber here. Also because of Covid I’m filming on my own now director/editor isn’t there to help me quite as much and end up leaving some parts oit. I will keep it clean for next ones though!
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