He did a video on it

Because he is having unprotected sex with a female that changes mood & hair color frequently.

peposo7 nah she left him they never had that type of relationship.

I believe it's because of his experience on Namek and his power boost from the Grand Elder. For whatever reason that was more effective than Tien's training, because of anime logic.

Toriyama hates Tenshinhan because Tenshinhan is apparently based on a jock who used to pick on Toriyama all the time, that's why Tenshinhan never gets any glory. You could say that it's actually a surprise Tenshinhan even got to face the glory of doing something meaningful against villains like Cell as the only human in the series.

that is an issue with dragonball no mater how cool an and interesting someones powers are they are just overcome by power levels. like with the hit fight. Goku had to use his brain until they got lazy and used power levels to make goku not effected by it.

Honestly, that one's more due to the fact that time stop powers with little restriction are a giant can of worms that really should stay closed. They're pretty much impossible to beat in a satisfying way, since by definition you can't do anything to counter them besides maybe "kill the guy in his sleep". Dragon Ball did a terrible job with them, so did Jojo, and really most stories that tried them.

@@ExeloMinish well I agree time powers can get messy, bit I think they could've used the opportunity to to tease some kind of pre Untra instincts mode. Like a partial step up to it where goku has to stop thinking about the time skip and allow his body to try and react to where Hit would be time skipping too, rather than, "wow I'm just strong enough to fight through time skip XD"

DjiDji no it started promising its not too broken if he can use it for what was it like 0.5 seconds? Because its possible to predict it as goku did they ruined it when hjt started improving tho

@@ExeloMinish I disagree with your statement about JoJo. Sure, the solution was basically "have the same power", but that didn't make the power irrelevant at all, and instead managed to make it stay relevant while the fight itself remained interesting.

No words to describe how amazingly this comment sums up the bonkers power escalation in the DB franchise. It's a great read and great watch, not to mention how much of an impact Dbz has had on the western introduction to anime, but I think everyone in this comment section can watch and love the show while acknowledging its faults.

Still, great comment.

@@EonTheAien show sucks now no matter HOW much you defend it

@@Bleeperblopper497 There's a difference between writing sucking and a show sucking. Writing sucks when it falls apart from a critical, or at least marginally analytical view. A show sucks when it's unenjoyable.

dude stop jrien was never the storgnst guy in all 12 uynvurnse he stognst ofrm u11 storgner then has god but not stornge then all 12 did all 12 unvirnse joiun the fight hell no sotp hate wheny uo kno wnoting and every thin you shit on japen loves airk care what japen not you

This! I've mentioned how the feats kinda peaked back in early Dragon Ball(not even Z, Roshi blowing up the moon is a big deal) yet they expect me to believe that 2 people waaaaaaaaaay stronger than that, fighting at faster than lights speed and stronger than strength power didn't blow up the earth by casually attacking each other? *I don't believe it*

There was also Dyspo who's feat was "Faster than Light" but.....that's been a thing since Dragon Ball Z as well 🤦‍♂

@@fronick9202 filler

They can control their power. Cell can destroy an entire island with a little bit of his power, Buu can destroy the earth and vegeta when he arrives can do it too. It's just that comes to a stage of power, the enemies like the heroes control their attacks so as not to blow up the earth. The heroes are always careful not to launch a wave of energy on the earth

@@moebiusstarwatcher so we gonna ignore the fact out control broly doesn't immediately delete earth?

Yes this. I have been looking for this comment. I understand where plague is coming from but Toriyama has WANTED TO END IT so he didn’t think far ahead, but jump would basically dump money on him to force him to keep writing. He didn’t want to continuing making manga, but when the people who are employing you give you more and more money, it’s hard to turn down that offer. And he kept trying to, until he was able to at the end of the buu arc. And guess what? Toei continued it with gt because of how much money it was making and toriyama contributed to it a bit just in an effort to not make it completely horrible, so he didn’t think far ahead as he wanted to either end it soon or didn’t really care anymore and just knew he had to put something out.

I heard that he originally wanted to end it after the Frieza saga?

@@MrBigcuts36 if that's true then im glad he didnt stop because cell saga was 👌

@@MrBigcuts36 toryama intended to end dragon ball numerous of times but just kept going. Originally it would've ended back when they first found the dragon balls and oolong used the wish on on some panties

Schwartzbruder1 I think when it was supposed to end at a Frieda saga was a myth. And there was also another one where I think that Toriyama didn’t think it would be right to change the main character to gohan

Simón González Luengo and remember in dragon ball super when the gods said they could feel Jirens heat from where they were sitting. So he knows a little stuff.

That's how it works in Hokuto no Ken.

education654321 thats dbs tho they’d have u believe you can go super saiyan 1 and 2 by tickling your back

Thats how it works in hxh

No. That's just the power system buddy

It's one of the most dumb and retarded videos you mean. Half of the shit he's saying doesn't make sense.

@@youtuber-tg1pu How?

What's up guys this is the act man here

@@youtuber-tg1pu I only watched a bit over half the video before I lost interest, but I agree. He makes a lot of poor comparisons throughout the video to try to make a point, and he occasionally takes certain things out of out context and undersells them (like Gohan trying to explain ki/flying to Videl). Also randomly tries to imply that DBZ doesn't look good based off of some cherrypicked shots (as opposed to Super which consistently has an ugly art style?).

@@KirbyGotenksabsorbed Bro, dragonball such a bad anime. Yes, it's entertaining, but doesn't have any good attributes. After all, Dragonball and others are ment for teenagers, authors just need epic flashy fights then to call it a day. Though they should've ended at freezer arc, it just went straight down from there. Even Toriyama had gotten tired from dragon ball but editor kept pushing him so he just made up the rest as he went on the story.

This man is an Oracle

blanco

B e a s t G o h a n

@@flavourously4723 fuck me..

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It's just like Pat said, Plague is successful now and he hates it!

His loathing gives him a zenkai boost

Joe Neutrino our enjoyment raises plague's power level!

Tyler Cafe *Just* Like Broly.

Well when there are few decent new Dragonball channels that tends to happen. The community is among the worst on KZfaq right now.

P247 yea I never liked that.

@@able5119 He shoulda skipped the androids and went directly to Cell. I mean, a villain made of the DNA of all the most powerful warriors in the universe being that strong - that I can actually believe.

P247 also I think the Android were supposed to be the main villains but no one liked it like that and he just made it up as he went. Same thing with cell’s transformations. The first was to bug like, 2nd was to stupid lookin, and then 3rd was the best

@@DrsJacksonn The original story was even worse, Toriyama (who was obviously already very tired of writing DB), intented for Gero and fat clown to be the bosses of the saga, but his editor said they were ugly, so he created 17 and 18, but his editor once again said "now they're just some teens", so he made Cell, and YET AGAIN, his editor was like "he's ugly, but he can transform right?", so Perfect Cell came to be. Seriously, the entire android saga would have been trash if it wasn't for Toriyama's editors.

Federico Palacios It’s already trash anyways, so it’s not like the editors helped.

It's not meant to be a multiplier. In the mange (during the moro arc, I think), Whis explains that the silver hair just shows Goku's potential power, but UI isn't about a transformation, but about preserving energy and landing critical hits rather than just go "punch, punch, boonga boonga".

@@no_less03 Ultra Instinct originally was said to be a technique that anyone can obtain. Not just Goku. Ultra Instinct was the perfect concept to make all the Z-Fighters relevant again because they would have had access to this power of the gods to help keep up with stronger characters but Toei scrapped this and just made it another boring transformation that only Goku can access. UI is a wasted concept and ain't shit anymore cuz Black Frieza apparently overpowers this form and one shot Goku out of it in the manga.

@@no_less03 it's just kaioken white

If UI wasn't turned into a transformation it would have been a great way to reintroduce ssg back into usage. Since UI needs a calm and clear state in order to be used, ssg in theory would be the only transformation to work with the technique (if it stayed as that), and maybe kaio Ken another technique. This would be the power to Goku's strength with UI making it more critical.

You should kinda feel silly for thinking this wasn’t gonna just be another power up.

It isn't

@@Nothingness4907 cope, weeb.

Honestly the more ANY series goes on the more this video is proven right.

What's the lesson here folks? Know when to fucking stop with your story. Lol Thank GOD Togashi stopped at the right time with Yu Yu. Who knows how bad that would have gotten.....

@@tailedgates9 The lesson I got from the video is to make a long lasting power system that doesn't get stale fast.

Wouldnt fully say that that was dbz

@@dialena4418 it was, execpt for the radiz and vegeta fights

And it was fantastic.

I just don't get how to enjoy this... would it even be a good thing if I did?

@@cryw1092 Don't see why not.

Your not wrong. We seen this happens throughout various anime shows.

Not just MMOs, but pretty much every RPG ever The best example I can think of is Star Ocean 2 on the Playstation, whose battles do kinda look like DBZ battles The first boss of the game is some guy who possesses a stone that can turn him into a monster. He's so enamored of his own power that it goes to his head, but he's only the first boss and is quickly outclassed In the late game, you have to do some fetch quests to make a sword that can, and I quote, "destroy a small planet;" and it's not even the best sword in the game Then their solution for beating the final bosses of the game, other than getting some mcguffins, is just train in a training center like in DBZ But then it turns out you can do something to unlock the final bosses true power for a challenge, but to beat him you have to do the Cave of Trials which will kick your ass if you don't use every exploit the game affords you, of which there was enough to break the game wide open up until then It's fun at first, but you eventually realize it's nothing but escalating numbers

I always felt that way, like how Freiza ruled the entire galaxy but Dr Gero makes some robots in his garage that are 10 times stronger.

@@legalam Being a super genius who invents something ridiculous is the ultimate plot contrivance

legalam yea that always pissed me off too cause he never he makes up some bullshit like this is some super metal or anything like that, by all means the one android who is straight up machine should not even come close to a super sayians level no man made should considering they can wipe planets how can any machine come close to that?

There’s an episode in GT where vegeta is looking back on Goku and him fighting and he literally says this. “When we first fought I was clearly the superior but you just kept taking huge risks with your energy and it was paying off”

It's my headcannon too, now

Reminds me of how mana works in Shaman King You need a certain amount of mana to make your Over Soul but if it breaks, you lose that mana and if you run out you can't use your power anymore and potentially die

Yea thats how I always looked at it.

One of the official games actually did a similar system.

that would be funny ngl 💀

@@marxist-leninist-protagonist you're so evil! 💀

That's Vegeta in a nutshell. He's there to soften up the villain so Goku can beat him. Let's not act like he is anything other than a second banana. I mean all he did in dbz was talk crap to the villains and get his shit pushed in. All the villains Vegeta beat on his own were Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, Jeice, Android 19 and Pui Pui. They were all minions. Not exactly impressive. This is the same guy who was such a jobber that he gave up his pride for evil magic powers and still jobbed.

That was where the series ended for me and I just stopped watching

Yusuke, is that you?

Pluto was so good. I wasn't this heavily emotionally invested in a manga for a long time to the point where the whole Gesicht arc, as well as Epsilons death, made me tear up.

It's like, power levels are fine, but they can't be the "be all, end all" to your fights. Someone with a higher number shouldn't automatically be assumed as the clear winner before a fight begins, that's just shitty writing.

i love the astro boy manga!

@@ShookieShook It should be expected by the characters and audience just to be subverted.

Finally some recognition for the god of manga and naoki urasawa.

Or when Launch dissapeared from the setting for a long time because Toriyama forgot she existed?

@@M4x_P0w3r launch was a minor character anyway

He is still a good writer, otherwise DBZ would never have been so iconic

Ah yes, and SAO, too, is a masterful literary piece, simply by virtue of being iconic. Yeah, no. Reputation does not retroactively define quality.

A Mediocre Artist I think you don’t really understand what iconic is... SAO iconic? Don’t make me laugh. Db has it’s fault, it’s certainly not the best in terms of writing but what it is and what it made for future generations of shounen makes it iconic. Star Wars is iconic, Batman is iconic, Superman is iconic, Spiderman is iconic and Goku or dragon ball is iconic in that sense. Goku has a holiday dedicated to him, Db is the most known and popular anime on the planet. Something this big that was and is enjoyed throughout the world has qualities. At one point, reputation can define quality to a degree. Now back with SAO, it’s really not iconic and in no way on the same league as the other stories and characters I’ve mentioned.

Retrospectively, Toriyama should never have created power levels and never have claimed that so so and so being is the strongest being in the universe, only to be eclipsed only a page later by another being. Tactics, technique, and team work should have been the chief basis via which villains are overcome in fights, not just raw power levels. No destruction of moons and planets by any being or even a huge city, without that being dying and probably even being obliterated in doing so... Roshi could have cast a shadow like technique to snap Goku out of the spell by the moon for example. Dragon Ball was popular even without power levels, it would still have remained popular and more 'logical' in Dragon Ball Z without power levels and without planet destroying beings who don't get destroyed while destroying planets. Raditz coming to Earth could have used his ki to sense the strength of Piccolo and Goku without needing a scanner. Was it necessary to establish through power levels that Nappa and Vegeta were stronger than Raditz, did it even matter that they were stronger? It could have have been left to readers to be their own judges of that...

@@musafawundu6718 then everyone would complain they didnt use the special beam cannon to kill everyone if raditz were stronger

@@musafawundu6718 Here here! If you ask me Toriyama should have done one of two things: given every race in DBZ a special type of ki different from others or given every character a different, highly unique ability ala JoJo, HxH, MHA. But no, everybody gets a different number. THATS IT.

It ain't ridiculous that freiza is strong though

@@sbevexlr848 No one said he isn't strong. I say screw power levels, they have no place anywhere and they don't mean anything. If you want to give me numbers, give me this: How much can Goku lift? How fact can he go without Instant Transmission? What's the most amount of damage that he has eaten without death? What kind of measurements are you using? Stuff like that.

Time powers are bullshit to begin with, so the only way to counter them is with more bullshit.

@@theking8347 So why make time powers in the first place without THINKING?

​@@roytheidiot4844😂😂

I can get powering up to be fast enough to compensate. What's really BS is Jiren just becoming "stronger than time"

Tbh Goku is so strong strong that he realistically should be destroying universes in his "God Forms." Because you know he has a higher number.

@@JuwanBuchanan They kind of covered this with his fight with Beerus in the original god form. Where they were slowly destroying reality by punching each other? But then goku 'figures something out' and cancels out the punches so that no more damage is done to the universe. Idk, it was pretty poorly explained in the show.

@@MrTokyoJunkie Beerus was canceling out the waves as he felt it was enough collateral damage plus to make up for the time he was asleep

The dead cats are supposed to be the destroyed civilisations?

@@MinscFromBaldursGate92, Beerus is based off an actual real life Spinx cat that Akira Toriyama owns, and Champa is based off of real life Egyptian Pharaohs because the Pharaohs in Ancient Egypt were as obese as the country with the most obese people in the world, and the Pharaohs also had the most cats.

SHiity Writing? Under who's authority?

@@slipgate5293 The fundamentals of storytelling.

@@LJ-hk4tv No such thing, Rules were meant to be broken

Agree😂. Im a one piece fan, and our fandom think that we have the best fight scene

@@slipgate5293 If you break them like Hunter X Hunter, absolutely. If you break them like RWBY, hell no.

Plague was referencing a preexisting meme. Back during the Tournament of Power, people were making fun of Gohan fans who claimed he would unlock a new form and become the strongest fighter of all, by making up a form called "Gohan Blanco", which is Gohan with white hair. (It's "blanco" because South American DBZ fans are particularly crazy about this.)

​@@misterbadguy7325dont forget about el hermano de jiren

MicManGuy it was actually only 8 involved in the tournameny

@@DetectiveMysterious THAT'S EVEN WORSE! He had twelve infinite possibilities and barely explored four of them!

Hell, if you think about it, we only got a look at Universe 6 before the tournament began. It's like one of those cursed images that gets worse the more you look at it...

@@antitheist3206 We barely even got introduced to that universe. 95% of what we saw was "oh holy shit look at the AU SAIYANS GUYS!" With another 4 % being "gosh Hit is so kewl! Look at how keeewl Hit is ohmahgawd"

The perfect summary for this video

@@gajodealfama2280, that's nice

We enjoy this anime, but this video is full of passion.

Don't we all?

XII IIX god I hate when people that haven’t written a day in your life

@Ker yeah. The fact that they don’t even need stray ki blasts or shockwaves to destroy the ground is impressive, but if I’m supposed to be impressed by the speed, power or skill, then they can at least move too fast to follow, or have one of those illusions of speed like in vegeto’s fight with majin buu.

And they are “Gods”

i’m pretty sure the “fight” was just them staring intensly at each other while storms happened nearby. they were having a stand battle at that point

@@user-lo6iq2lu1g yeah. That’s pretty much expected of DBZ and super at this point

OMG you’re right lmao

God that comment aged like a fine wine.

Wait he actually has white hair???

​@@ouchiegiverjrThe new transformation in DBS Superhero, He gains a new BS transformation that's just SSJ2 but with white hair

Gohan Blanco has existed for a while in db af so that's probably where he got that from

Buscuitnaught ay

Conflict1914 : Nah man. I still get them to talk, but due to the speed of the fight - they'd just be shouting incoherently at each other due to no thoughts being artculated in the brain. Like a pair of drunken idiots that they are.

Can't they communicate telepathically? Wait...what if, like the fights being slowed down for our benefit, they show mouth flaps for our benefit too!?11! ?

honestly sound lag makes for a good joke. in the archie sonic comic, he played a guitar on a hill and then ran down to the base to greet tails faster than the music did. thats stupid as fuck but thats the kind of stupid shit you should do when you establish your character moves faster than sound.

I just defaulted to Goku and Vegeta doing some ju-tsu looking stuff, then Vegeta just flipping Goku off.

I would honestly adore this cos it honestly sounds super neat.

Ask Seth the Goku dickrider.

Well he had a camera watching fights you see......... No that's literally all the fucking explanation. He had a robot spy on Goku's fights and he JUST MADE THEM STRONGER! Keep in mind FRIEZA was blown to bits, SURVIVED SOMEHOW and then was augmented BY STATE OF THE ART SPACE CYBORG SCIENCE SHIT to make himself even STRONGER than when Goku fought him, and he's still SO WEAK a version of Trunks MUCH weaker than the MUCH WEAKER version of the Androids he fought (cause supposedly the present day 17 and 18 are even stronger than the future versions I think for some reason) was able to manhandle him with zero difficulty. So Gero built 17 and 18 to not just be stronger than Frieza, but MILES stronger than Frieza to the point much more advanced technology cannot do THE SAME FUCKING THING that he did to make Frieza stronger! WHAT!? Let me say this shit AGAIN. Frieza achieved the POWER OF GODS by working out for a few MONTHS, and doing the SAME THING as Gero did to 17 and 18 with VASTLY superior technology and resources, made him WEAKER than the pussy that 17 and 18 could slap around without so much as a scratch. Then he got EVEN STRONGER THAN THAT BY DOING LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

@@haku8135 yea the camera thing was stupid no way it should have survived all the fights

@@rileyfreeman3778 Especially with how much they like to jerk off their character's power levels because they're not actually as impressive as people make them out to be. "Oh, his power is so great, it's SHAKING THE GROUND AROUND US! IT'S BREAKING APART THE STONE!" But this small delicate camera over here is totally fine.

Well he was an average fighter but a BRILLIANT SCIENTIST!

Dr Gero built these androids in a cave....with a box of scraps!! Similar logic as Iron Man. It demands that you don't think about it.

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22:53 is now the meme

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@JLW2490 98?

@@prachetasnayse9709 kf

That worked so well on Sword Art Online Abridged.

SAO abridged is a gift

Oh my goooood.

I scrolled down for this comment.

@@Idontrunntoofast LMAO

That's one reason why a lot of fans still liked Dragonball and z up to that point. After the Namek and Freeza arc stuff was over was when DBZ increasingly lacked any creative or clever writing. It all just became about power creep and plot devices making the newer threats sinmply "stronger". An old man creates a couple of cyborgs 10x stronger than evil galactic tyrant guy because... Reasons?

That’s part of why namek saga was the peak of the series imo.

@@FizzyCape It certainly had the best plot and story of the Z portion of the series. Cell is just overrated and Buu was a dumb parody of the series.

I always found that to be pretty stupid. So Frieza, with his speed, can't easily scour the planet for the dragon balls or any enemy? That's just stupid.

I agree that early Namek was a fun cat and mouse game. The best parts of a story are usually when the heroes are at their lowest point and are on the edge of defeat, just barely scraping by. It’s not just apart of the Namek saga but most DBZ arcs. Good build up where we get a strong sense of impending danger and mystery about our new opponents before halfway through Goku or someone else just starts punching the bad guy. Real waste

I see. I'm glad you're not a writer. Indeed it would be a problem if Krillin was as strong as Beerus

Well the whole thing about power level is that it's supposed to be a measure of combat effectiveness. It's not a completely arbitrary number. If someone spends a week in a high gravity chamber training their power level doesn't rise for no reason, it's because that person's body became stronger as well as them being more in control of their body and energy.

@@slinkyslink5161 it shouldn't be too easy either. For example in the arc Cell vegeta he trained for 3 in the room of spirit and time and yet he was still not strong enough to defeat Cell. It's that we blame DBS. To fall into ease

​@@moebiusstarwatcher It's also a problem if the hero is the only one who can actually accomplish anything, no matter what the supporting cast tries. It really defuses the tension of any situation where the outmatched supporting cast try various clever tactics or make desperate last stands when the work routinely just has everyone's best shots completely fail to work, and the bad guys are able to power through everything the cast throws at them until the hero shows up. Maybe you can mine tension out of situations where the supporting cast are trying to accomplish something non-combat related in hostile territory full of enemies who are much stronger than they are, like collecting the Dragon Balls on Namek, because they might actually succeed at that and strategy can still be used to *avoid* or *escape* fights, but if they have no choice but to fight and you already know that they won't accomplish anything no matter what they do, there's no suspense. The answer to "can they succeed in the face of overwhelming odds?" is always "no." Even if there's no damn reason why what they tried wouldn't have worked.

Pues sí xd

this is one of the reasons why ive always been ashamed of being latin american

Kamen

@@pokeman5699 You shouldn't be ashamed of what others do

@@Hextor26 Actions made by others make stereotypes, and that's bullshit.

I only watched the anime, and I thought it was odd that Tao was just able to shrug off General Blue's power. Especially when you consider that later on, Goku, who is arguably stronger than Chiaotzu, got paralyzed by him.

@Sun Wu-Entai 90 That's a good explanation for Tao, but it still pisses me off when Nappa wasn't even slowed down by Chiaotzu's power. Then later on namek they Krillen and Gohan, who I'm pretty sure are a good amount stronger than Guldo, were caught by his power.

@Sun Wu-Entai 90 Not sure I believe that. If it wasn't for Guldo's unique abilities I'm sure either Krillin or Gohan could have killed him in two seconds flat. A lot of the fight was just Guldo running away from there attacks like a coward. He didn't seem to be a competent fighter either missing plenty of chances to kill them in his time stop. Jesus, you do think to much about these things when you're older.

@@valydendor4472 ok with guldo...pretty sure his powers were stronger. That and of course the strength difference between chiaotzu and nappa is a lot huger then krillen gohan and guldo, even if krilln and gohan were stronger then guldo.

@@valydendor4472 also lol there is no such thing as thinking to much about stuff like this XD. well maybe there is...but I don't think your over thinking it.

Even other dragon ball stuff after barely utilizes that The Moro Arc of the Dragon Ball Super Manga had a really promising start with Moro himself Working in a way that just punching him won't do anything, since he can just sap away your power Later forcing both Goku and Vegeta (Vegeta mainly) to learn techniques since power alone wouldn't win I like that But of course it didn't stay Vegeta had spirit fission, but it was mostly about punching again And Goku was more or less the same, just with a Gundam Goku once And Moro degraded to a cell ripoff, all about that super duper power Granted, it did become interesting with him becoming overwhelmed by angel power, and merging with earth But once again, it's the same bigger number crap

@@sketchydude8431 The series has reached a point where it desperately needs a hard reset of some kind (new cast/new power system/change of genre/DC style reboot/whatever), hell just depower the saiyans or something Toriyama/Toei's obsession with super strong reality bending forces (that never blow up more than a couple mountains because plot) and nostalgia bait has turned the series into a zombified corpse that refuses to die like it's the simpsons.

The writing is improvised through and through, so I imagine these things happen just to set up for the same end goal of surprises in power creep without the use of numbers. Some shlack happens that puts characters is pickle, then they resolve it with mind bending power and abilities that are rooted in gags. But as for your observation of UI, it is a bit different because the main gimmick of UI is that you reach a pinnacle of body and mind optimization where you can fight without thinking and allow unlagged reflexes to boost your speed and adaptability. Hence AUTONOMOUS Ultra Instinct, even this however is a rehashed tool (in my opinion) from when Goku trained with Popo at the lookout. Ki control 2.0

@@thelivingglitch307 Regarding UI, at first I thought the concept - perfecting the ability to act without conscious thought - was pretty cool. Having studied a bit of martial arts, I was genuinely excited when it was revealed and I could recognize the idea from my own experience. And when it's introduced, the animation used to visualize it is genuinely striking and does a lot to sell the idea that UI is something truly different. But while Your Mileage May Vary, I feel like there's no getting around the fact that in plot terms it's mostly just another power-up. In fact, since it's about removing conscious thought from the equation, you could argue that the writers have put themselves in a place where even if they decided to try to address these concerns, in UI Goku _can't_ use clever tactics and strategy to win without opening a plot hole.

@@Sayrden I hope Hit doesn't befall the same fait. But also would like him to not be undermined.

Another brainlet gets filtered by based CHADren.

Tien is crying

@@joshgroban5291 Don't you have a realm to rule?

@@fgersacig5573 , Jiren is the sigma mortal of Dragon Ball Super, and that’s why he’s the most godlike human being ever because sigmas are the best males ever.

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr you're pathetic 🙄

Exactly Mann, dbs is like : everybody gets to be Gods now

One reason Dragonball super is trash

@@JuwanBuchanan so is Z

I guess they manage to control themselves? That's probably what Toriyama was thinking of... at least I hope he was thinking of something.

@@JuwanBuchanan fax

In hindsight, the fact that Blue Goku and Vegeta struggle so much against so many mortal opponents (Bluegeta was equal to Toppo's base form) means that Goku and Vegeta are actually very weak in scope of the strongest of the multiverse. But if they weren't, their godly forms would just wipe the floor with everyone. Godly ki should have been reserved to actual gods.

@@leirbag1595 Exactly.

"And what is this, Super Saiyan with blue hair dye?" - Frieza, Resurrection F

I was so confused that ssb wich as stronger then God right? Cuz it's God +ssj, couldn't even beat frieza for example. When in that great fight ssg was already a small challenge for Beerus. Or when UI had a hard time beating ssj2 kalifla that was so much bs

@@alexhosten1508 well you seem to miss the point that it had no attack power and was all defense and reaction at that point. Kefla literally tells goku he was tickling her compared to earlier.

An anime savvy teacher…sounds both neat and dangerous. Maybe he could genetically engineer an overpowered shonen jump protag

I think he was just being a dick

And then everyone clapped.

As someone who failed physics in college this is accurate

And he fought the new strongest biggest dude who's apparently even worse than jiren and broly or something

@@Mox1990 It was a giant, mindless, monster-thing... that was a call back Cell's worst looking form. Don't get me wrong, I thought Super Hero was mostly good tbh... just a little disappointed it boiled down to a fight with "Even Worse-r Cell form 2". I think pushing Goku and Vegeta away from the main story and focusing on characters like Piccolo is a smart move at this point. I liked the movie way more than new Broly and all of Super Combined. I'd like them to do more content on other characters.... but that'll never happen.

Android 16 Skyrim pretty much is a brief power hard on

He'd become one punch man

Did I just read someone referencing the ogmar infinium glitch. Holy hell, I haven't played that maxed bretin in years, you could get to level 83 and one half with the method. Didn't really ruin my game, though I did have more fun roleplaying a kleptomaniac argonian I leveled after they patched the glitch(prestiged pickpocketing and maxed it again, chest was so full of stolen loot it took 5 minutes to scroll through).

Im pretty sure he'd forget about his jump button.

Why weren’t you wished back?

Agreed.

human.... huuuuuumaaan :D

No any expert can be taken out when they are caught off guard so please try again

I wouldn't be surprised if he got in before Raditz.

@@palantiri6590 Raditz was such wasted potential, he deserved more than merely 5 minutes of life.

Totally Not Mark indeed.

I want someone to animate it..........

eh, it was funny but DBZA is a lot funnier, don’t understand how you got that. Humour is subjective I guess

same also love your vids

@@weggygaygay9940 Just shut the fuck up

What could you possibly miss about her? She had one gag and it got old real quick.

Saul Diaz I dunno. I liked her more than I did Bulma back then.

I prefer dinner.

I'm of a breakfast kinda guy

Just wait for the next ship.

Or King Piccolo (260) only being twice as strong as Chi-Chi (130) i.imgur.com/DZzPPaY.jpg

It would take 60 humans to destroy the moon, isn’t that w a c k y

Maybe because an increase of 1 point in power level is not linear but exponential, this would explain the fact that the King Piccolo was just twice as strong as Chi Chi and why a Moon can be blew up with just 300 points. Anyway a SS God Blue already has a power level exponentially higher than a previous form. Thinking power levels this way, it should be exponential, of exponential ! ... Well, nothing makes sense in Dragon Ball 😂

@@michc204 Indeed, this explanation makes the power level expansion even worse. Like, Vegeta originally is between 10000 and 20000. Then Freeza, the next villain, has a max power level of about 200 millions. This is just ridiculous.

@@theking8347 That makes EVERYTHING in Dragon Ball make both more AND less sense.

Totally agreed piccolo was at his best when dragon ball was at his best. Original DB and Saiyan/freeza/androids/cell sagas is where piccolo was the most badass and coolest character my god allways admired how fcking badass he was and what development he had his character arc is arguably the best only vegeta comes close. From buu to super is when they stopped having him as a main character the show itself was going downhill from there sad really how it become too centered to goku and vegeta but im sure peoples will get fed up with the same characters every arc and with the same unoriginal storys and oh boy it will hit toriyama like a truck.

@@opgamers6491 Piccolo stopped being useful halfway through the Cell saga. He got bodied by stupid, idiotic little Cell jrs. Despite the fact he trained for a year in one day in the Room of Spirit and Time. The Cell saga turned to shit halfway through. Plagueofgripes explains this on another video.

Same

@@LordMalice6d9 To be fair, even Goku got bodied by Cell Juniors, they were only slightly weaker than Cell himself.

@@kingp260 The 2nd half of the Cell saga is just plain stupid and moronic! It was really when DBZ jumped the shark and the only reason why anyone puts it on a pedestal is because Gohan beats Cell. You mean to tell me Cell can crap out not just 1 but 7 little Cell jrs. that are all almost as strong as Cell is, yet his power level doesn't go down at all?? That's stupid!

And you can tell they were DEPSERATE to try and not do what people expected. Like, yeah, 17 won but it feels super obvious that it’s a “yeah! Bet you didn’t think of that!”

Sanobearon Because the the tournament of power couldn’t just be a battle for survival, it has to be one of ideals and apparently no universe has better ideals than universe 7.

they're not flying they're just "jumping good"

@@greenman394 There was only U6 and the Pride troopers everyone else was just filler for the heavy hitters

Francesco Lombardi they’re just falling with style

Its not like they do that every day. Plus for training to be effective, you'd have to be pushed to and past your limits. In the Saga he's swatting them like flies, it's like Frieza sure he's killed millions and shattered entire planets. But, he did it with a thlick of his finger. Because of overconfidence and pride. Leads to arrogance and leniency. They, dominated the planet until Trunks got stronger and defeated them.

@Ignatius David Partogi Because power levels are bullshit at this point, unless your a sayain, you're trash.

@@coolbeans3752 if you push your body past its limits you destroy it. When you work out you don't do your maximum always because that would be shit training and youd ruin your body

what do you mean weaker then post tournament trunks?

Ignatius David Partogi easy roshi someone who was clearly much weaker did it

Hahaha... Typical Gokuturd answer...

When we're talking about fiction it's possible for that to be the correct answer.

honestly

Guy screams and his hair changes color. That's cool enough for me!

It’s just the nature of Shonen. Dragon ball, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, and hell even Hunter x Hunter function like this. Some series just have interesting writing and characters to go along with the genre conventions.

@@MultiSpeedMetal and that's why shonen is awful

@@brokenlegs8431 It’s a cool shiny thing to distract people from bullshit in life and that’s completely fine. Shonen is basically animated sports ball for dweebs.

Cheers2Moon I

Welcome to the internet. Where everyone is at their worst.

CHADhan always wins!

Gohan Blanco* El Grande Padre* dont mess them up again

Godhan > Cuckifla.

dragonball got away with it for starting the formula....or mastering it for little kids and marketing after fist of the north star set the example and experimented as its made more for teens and young adults...the issue is with gt they wee still doing it in the mid to late 90's when better series were out there and by 2015 super started doing the same shit they did 30 years prior..smdh...evolve dragonball my god...so many series came out since the early 90's ..you can't just be trash anymore...write it better

tbf Toriyama wanted to end the series with the Frieza arch, so it made sense to state that Frieza was the most powerful in the universe, there was nowhere else to take the series, but the fans and publishers forced him to continue the series, and it went downhill from there.

@@enzo91821 he wants end it. but he adds a transformation that kickstarts a genre of power levels

@@razkable you are the idiot who thinks boruto is good naruto devolved instead of evolving

@@enzo91821 The sad thing is if Goku had *stayed gone* then Goku being the rare legend and power levels could've been scaled back considerably and give the other characters a chance to be useful again. Instead, the first chance it gets, the series not only brings back Goku, but trivializes the legendary transformation by making it something any of that one race could do.

Basically the Western superhero style of writing.

Saitama's an interesting character because he's already at the top of the power scale from day one. It doesn't matter how much stronger any villain is from the last one because none of them will ever be stronger than Saitama is, so the focus of the show is, what do you do when life has no challenge?

@@AnEnemySpy456 I think that's a really basic question the show asks but not the focus of the show at all. Saitama sacrifices his chance at recognition he's been striving for. Mumen Rider perseveres against impossible odds he knows he has no chance of overcoming. We see Seiryu go from a proud, boastful, selfish man to a physically and mentally broken coward who in a desperate last attempt screams out for help from those he's looked down on his whole career and even though he knows he doesn't deserve it, is saved. Even Puri Puri takes a beating and learns from it and comes back stronger. The show isn't interested in power scaling. It isn't even really about what to do when life has no challenge. It's about what makes someone heroic besides having superpowers. Saitama is the strongest, sure, but look at how humble he is, his self sacrifice, his humanity. That's what makes him a hero. Sorry I know this is really long but I just really admire the way that is portrayed in the show.

If you going to keep them alive you have to aid more arc that the problem with dragon Ball z the creator killed the side characters in the first arc and then they do nothing

Gerardo Santana same I was dying the entire time

Only thing that would have made it funnier is if after the attack the villain asked, "Is that all you got?" Goku: "Oh no! That didn't even leave a scratch on him!"

Super ultra deluxe bacon edition kioken times 4 googleplex quintillion!

Lmao😂😂😂

Gerardo Santana with the baconator part lmao

BlueMageDanny I’m Colombian. That made me laugh really hard XD

GOHAN BLANCO UNLOCKS ULTRA INSTINCT AGAINST EL PADRE GRANDE

Super syaian cumbia dance.

☝💀

I'm colombian as well and this shit had me dying😂

I … I thought it was canon just not explained very well in the story

@@marlom7882 Maybe, who knows? Toriyama will never explain it.

@@chrisoconnor7894 remember Toriyamaos the same guy that forgotten the hair color of Android 18

@@tomtheconqerur WAIT REALLY!?

@@Trizic_ yes

Except when Jiren was meditating, he wasn't just "jumping good" - he was obviously flying/levitating.

That’s not flying, that falling with style

I see your samurai jack reference and I love it

Ironically i think letting just anyone who knows ki be able to fly was the first cornerstone to power levels are bullshit Like there's this Dragonball game called advanced adventure where flying is a huge privilege. Comes in handy, but only a hand full of character unlocks can do it well and most are restricted to using wings or jetpacks or whatever. Hell Yajirobe never learned how to fly in Dragonball. Climbed Korin's tower, hurt Vegeta, Goku seemed excited thinking he'd help them fight the androids, managed to survive in the Goku Black timeline somehow. Yajirobe could've been a prime example of a good fighter with limitations.

Yeah that was one of the things about it that pissed me off, first time I remember the "screw the rules" fallacy taking place was when Krillin somehow saved 18 from falling out of the ring by jumping behind her to catch her and then jumping off of absolutely nothing to go back into the ring.

Man That Goku vs Vegeta fight is so good I Always come back to it lmao

I would also say Namek does a good job, power levels are used strategically. You need to hide them, you can use them to intimidate opponents, and Toriyama straight up wipes out the scouters to keep it fresh by the end.

but that doesn't mean skill isn't important there wins weren't so straight forward against the ginyu force mainly captain ginyu or vegeta and even buu

"slow and steady wins the race" Whis

Yeah its especially weird because a big point of the anime from Raditz to Freeza is that power levels are indeed bullshit. In fact, power levels are meant to be bullshit. All those arrogant ass aliens going around with their silly scooters and power levels, not an ounce of real martial arts skill on sight. Your position is a function of your power level. Earth changed the balance, because even through terrans have weak ki, they also have things like ki suppression and concentrating enough ki to fire an attack stronger than your own power level. Raditz learns that the hard way when he takes a Makankosapo to the chest.

"Strength isn't the only thing that matters!" ...We're holding you on that, Goku. _Moreso than before._

@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 Not Terrans/Humans but Saiyans/Half Saiyans.

That's why I love Jojo.

JoJo.jpg

man power scaling is stupid and ruins animes...how cool would it be if the main character wasn't op from the start or even at the end...if everyone was close in power and it was strategy that got them wins?...like imagine if goku and krillin were close in power when they fought....not totally in different classes causing no tension in who wins cause we know whose better so if goku loses its bs and if he wins its predictable and boring....smdh...wow what a concept...its dragonball that created this trope for other shows to follow to get successful..cant have the side characters keep up with them..ichigo and renji cant stay even ..even 1/4 the way into the series gotta power creep ichigo up

A big part of this is that stories normally just aren't _meant_ to keep going forever and ever and ever. This kind of escalation is, by default, not something that has to be worked around because it normally _shouldn't even happen._ The only thing that suddenly made this a thing was a financial greed or need to write "endless" stories like that to begin with; artistically it's _complete and utter _*_bullshit!_* But corporate wants money, so _here we freakin' go._

Nguyen Dong Hung Pham nah that’s naruto with dragon ball wits aren’t even that important

@Ker nothing is "wrong" with anything. I'm stating my opinion and it's shared by many. I don't feel like characters need to get 10 trillion times more powerful to progress a story. It's actually very predictable. It would be better in my opinion if they concentrated more on strategy and skill instead of ki getting 10 zeptillion times stronger. Just me

omg, i loved Hit so much, and it makes me mad whenever everyone ignores him, like seriously, Hit is literally a Jojo character inside db, he's literally the only antagonist that never uses generic ki blasts and who's fighting style is based on martial arts and pressure points.

Hit is just in the wrong anime. He'd be a threat anywhere else.

For an even earlier example on how power levels ruin anything interesting, you can just look at Burter from the Ginyu Force. He's introduced with his gimmick of 'I'm the fastest being in the universe' yet his speed gets outclassed by Goku on his arrival to Namek purely because Goku's power level is higher, despite the fact that as far we see Goku did not do ANY training to get faster. If you only lift weights for a month, you are not suddenly going to be able to compete in the 100 yard dash. Power levels have potential to be an interesting storytelling device, but the way that DBZ implements them is so lazy that it actually hurts the material.

Hit : Nah, i give up, there's no way my time skip can beat your PLOT ARMOR.

Skip time... KINGU CRIMSON

El grande padre

Cell Dorado

Wtf

@@vividlantern8854 Angry Watermelon

@@jghifiversveiws8729 It's The Spanish Lore, fanfics (but mostly parodies of fanfics) from Latin America where Gohan does everything the teenage edgelords wish he would do.

So does Seth?

And the superhero community also.

@@giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 Especially Seth.

@@AzraelSoulHunter seth was drunk

@@giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 The guy told a kid to eat their own feces and humiliated a girl he also sexually harassed. The guy is a scumbag deserving of everything bad that can happed to a human being.

And why he's so afraid of his wife...

Goku almost always loses....

Nah man just give him the plague

Oni Bank nope because all of a sudden He’s been secretly training to counter that and no one knew all this time

Jokes aside, Goku is bullet proof, ki or no ki

@Zer0dog Honestly play that game with your friends you'll see how repetitive the fights get lmao We did this at Anime Expo this year and we all had a blast xD

@Zer0dog It is really what happens, but fanboys like you will defend toriyama's writing no matter what.

@Zer0dog Not really "strawmen" if ive seen first hand the bs you are willling to spout in order to defend toriyama's writing.

@Zer0dog Not to mention that its prettu hilarious to read that claim of yours when you strawmen the video claiming poor research or when you resort to your "you just have a hate boner" excuse to defend the writing of the show.

@Zer0dog Laughable, the same argumentation you used before, and yet you have the nerve to claim im the broken record.

It was only really acknowledged in 'Resurrection of F' when a severely weakened Frieza destroyed Earth in the blink of an eye without lifting a finger.

@@EatWave I feel like the Beerus movie dealt with it a bit too. The punches they were dishing out were so powerful that it was about to destroy the entire universe. Not that it really matters though. The very next arc they're throwing even more powerful punches left and right but the universe is in no apparent danger.

@@UndergroundHorrorRap That was in the Dragon Ball Super rendition of 'Battle of Gods'. Goku learned to cancel out the destructive waves emitted by the clashing of god ki by attacking with exactly the same force and at the same angles as Beerus was. It would have been nice to see that level of thought go into such things in later fights.

Every villain past Vegita tries at some point to blow up the planet. Take it or leave it but it is consistent with it.

@@winden-3685 but they always charge up some powerful blast when in reality they could just flick their finger and poof gone

If you want, you should check out the show Hunter x Hunter. Its power system, "Nen", is quite literally that.

Yup, really neat idea. It actually explains how the characters can fire laser beams that put the death star to shame, yet Goku needs to turn into the literal stuff of legends to lift the equivalent of a school bus

Zamasu is another fight like this. Black gets better and stronger the more he fights. And Zamasu can't be killed. So what do you do? Well you seal him. So the name of the game is separating Black and Zamasu, sealing up Zamasu, and attempting to overwhelm Black before he becomes too powerful to stop. But no. They just fuse. And Vegito beats him up. And then Trunks beats him up. And then they use a literal "I win" button to just stop the plot

I've heard that even the Power of Destruction has been hampered by the power of numbers. Like, you'd think from Beerus's demonstration on Zamasu that it's not blockable at all. But nope! There are characters that have resisted or absorbed the energy of the Power of Destruction! Now instead of some imposing force, it's just another energy-based attack that can be stopped by STRONG.

I also loved the idea that ultra instinct wasn't a transformation for while and it was Goku peeking to its martial arts and mastering fighting without thinking its like becoming the embodiment of martial arts kinda I guess, BUT NO! I watch thousands of videos cause it was recommended to me by KZfaq and read an article saying that ultra instinct is a new form with a higher power level why would someone make MUI a fucking form and just make it like the name says just a "fucking instinct" a sixed sense like the spidey sense or some other shit, anything other than a new form😤

@@elevate07 While I liked the idea of Zamasu fusing, it would've made more sense if it gave him a power boost, but at the cost of removing his immortality. After all, one of the fusees was not Immortal, so it should reduce it to a more manageable healing factor.

To be fair... Goku increasing his numbers made Hit increase his time-skip. I actually liked the Hit fight because Goku didn't even transform at the start - unlike Vegeta, who thought that fight was a straight fight, went straght to blur and then got brutally ragdolled by Hit. I think it actually makes sense that time skip can be countered with enough speed - see: Dyspo vs Hit. Still, Hit is a killer. He was holding back in the two tournaments. If Hit had fought Jiren outside a tournament, Hit would have killed him.

Logical Juan I’d praise you for making the prediction, but it’s too predictable an ending to really deserve praise for guessing it.

Worst Thing is, that imperfect ultra instinct was actually interesting. Goku can autododge Basically anything, and can wholly Focus on Attacks now? Cool! Oh, perfect ultra instinct is just the same but now Attacks Are strong too? Oh Hey, goku's pissed now. Shouldnt that discract him from letting that *instinct* get to work? No, He gets stronger like usual...

@@rednidedni3875 yeah imperfect un was badass

Carlos de Brouwer Before Ultra Instinct, Goku's attacks couldn't hurt Jiren. After Ultra Instinct, they could hurt Jiren. So yes, Ultra Instinct very much was about power level. Even at the very end with Mastered Ultra Instinct, Jiren still lands some hits on Goku, so clearly that whole perfect defense thing doesn't mean shit when fighting someone who's actually at your level.

@@rednidedni3875 I actually never thought about that, great explanation

I was going to make the same comment 😂

It's debatable.whether one punch even is a parody. Too much of the shown is played straight. It'd be like saying Superman is a parody. It does have a lot of comedy but so do a lot of shounen battle.manga especially at the start. Most of the rest of it is fairly straightforward Saitamas.character does fit the mold.of parody. But the world around him is built like a normal show .and his own desires at times is normal..wanting to be a hero. And wanting a good fight ect. A lot of it is played straight. His emotion at helping the heroes by making himself.a bad guy and not taking credit for example. Whether that makes it a good parody or a straight show with a twist is where it gets grey.

Obviously it's played straight. Everyone else is not Saitama living in a world where stuff is a joke, he is. For the same reason everyone is drawn detailed and even acting serious in a certain range... then there's saitama completely disregarding all that while being a half assed drawing.

@@DSan-kl2yc played straight? You have a superhero that rides a bike.

there are at least two martial arts anime where someone fights with a bike. Yugioh has cards on bikes. That doens't mean its a parody.

Come on now, Your really going to tell me that a hero where his only ability is that he can ride a bike is playing it straight? One punch is a hilarious parody on the superhero archetype cause it turns everything upside down and utterly ridiculous.

Metal Slug: son i am dissapoint

Saving Private Ryan

@733Rafael Is this a really dry, poorly delivered joke?

@@dogtime7061 He isnt technically incorrect. Over an ridiculously long time the armor would start to wear down at that point.

theone102 Yes, except you would never reach that point because the tank would have destroyed you before you reach it. You can’t power through everything, otherwise this shit will get boring af.

Heh no it's not

until u realize gurren lagan can do that seriously

exactly and when it came to the fight of the universe it was an all or nothing fight and the series ended there

Mmm.. THATS GOOD SATIRE

Well, Raditz told Goku that Goku didn't have necessary training to challenge him when he met him. His words were "And also, please... don't make the mistake of trying to fight me. Even if you had the power to challenge me, you haven't a fraction of the necessary training", proving that Raditz had to train. The important thing to keep in mind with Raditz is that unlike Goku, Raditz is a warrior and an enterpreneuristic at that, meanwhile Goku is a martial artist who just fights for fun most of the time. Raditz's power is justified, because unlike Goku, he spent his whole life on the battlefield alongside Vegeta and Nappa, conquering worlds and selling them to aliens. The more a Saiya-jin fights, the more powerful he becomes, meanwhile Goku's birth was low and he had to fight only low lifes for the most part, so his growth has been awful until that point. The thing with Saibaimen and the Z fighters growing so powerful is really confusing though. Saibaimen are confusing simply because it makes you wonder how did Raditz train his whole life, since Saibaimen are suggested to be the training dummies so to speak (at least in Bardock's special episode), and Raditz is only equal to them in his adulthood, and as for Z fighters being so strong - well, Goku underwent Mr. Popos training, which took him 3 years and he powered up rather marginally if you think about it, meanwhile the rest of the Z fighters spent 1 year with Kami and Mr. Popo and their powers went up almost 10x in most cases. Piccolo and Gohan didn't even have the luxury of training in specialized environment such as the Kami's temple and had to do with wilderness for 6 months, yet their power increase was also ridiculously huge. Only Goku's training made some sense since he was training in an environment with 10x greater gravity.

@@smaragdchaos You know Kami trained Goku to better fight with his KI and reduce unnecessary movements while fighting and dodging. This is only explained once. Goku never Questions it either he just goes along with it. Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu are already on this level when beginning training for the Saiyans so he decides to Fokus on Raising their Power Level. It's never explained and should be but it's not for some reason (Toriyama Syndrome). Super still sucks.

@@Michaelbrown-xi3mr Neither Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamucha and Chaozu were on Goku's level at the beginning of their training. If we go by the official power levels, Goku when he started his training with Kami was at the power level of 260. At the beginning of DBZ, Tenshinhan was sitting at a power level of 250, Yamucha was 177, Kuririn was 206 and Chaozu was weaker than all of them, and neither of them had gone through Mr. Popo's movement training prior to that either.

​@@smaragdchaos No but maybe they kept training? They could have done that during the timeskip from DB to DBZ. I don't try to Debunk you or the video. Again the problem is we don't know what happend. Toriyama explains extremely little and forget things all the time and had to rewrite history from Z to Super to avoid GT going Marvel and DCs Multiverse Route. Vegito for example. The 1 thing Potara had over the dance was time limit and they got rid of it because they wrote themselves into a corner with immortal Zamasu and Goku Black. It took Zeno to erease Future Trunks story only to replace it with a identical timeline. So nothing lost nothing gained besides saving this timeline and Goku and Vegeta got stronger. That's it. There are alot of mistakes and nitpics but as long as you can enjoy it it should not Ruin it for someone right? In the end since Toriyama explains nothing fans can make head canons that may come true who knows.

@@Michaelbrown-xi3mr *No but maybe they kept training? They could have done that during the timeskip from DB to DBZ.* You mean Mr. Popo’s movement training? Impossible. Kuririn was shocked to hear they’re getting trained by Kami and Mr. Popo from Yajirobe. If he and the others had undergone this training before, it shouldn’t be such a major shock for them. *I don't try to Debunk you or the video. Again the problem is we don't know what happend.* Well duh, that’s why I said that part is very confusing since no explanation has been provided to us. *Toriyama explains extremely little and forget things all the time and had to rewrite history from Z to Super to avoid GT going Marvel and DCs Multiverse Route.* DBGT is an alternate timeline compared to Super, and OG DBZ could be considered one as well quite honestly. *Vegito for example. The 1 thing Potara had over the dance was time limit and they got rid of it because they wrote themselves into a corner with immortal Zamasu and Goku Black.* Well, not really. There were many ways to go around that problem: 1. Instead of using Vegetto, they could’ve used Gogeta 2. They could’ve changed the time limit bullshit and apply it only to Universe 10 potaras and try to justify it with some ambiguous reasoning such as „Mortals using potara are only allowed to fuse for an hour in the universe 10 due to an incident long time ago where the power of potara has been misused.“ - With that, Goku and Vegeta could’ve fused through U10 potara earrings with no hassle, because Vegeta would have a much easier time fusing for just an hour rather than an eternity. 3. They could’ve simply stayed permanently fused and used the Dragon Balls to unfuse later on, or just use Majin Buu. I don’t really get the point of Vegetto anyways since he never gets any wins in the series, so might as well let him go away with killing Fused Zamasu. *It took Zeno to erease Future Trunks story only to replace it with a identical timeline. So nothing lost nothing gained besides saving this timeline and Goku and Vegeta got stronger. That's it.* Frankly, erasing that entire universe wouldn’t even be necessary had they actually obliterated Zamasu. Zamasu’s immortality isn’t a true immortality and completely disintegrating would mean his death. It’s a joke writing. But then again, we don’t really know how much of it belongs to Akira Toriyama since he doesn’t actively work on DBS, he only provides basic plot outlines and the anime staff/Toyotaro change it at will. *There are alot of mistakes and nitpics but as long as you can enjoy it it should not Ruin it for someone right? In the end since Toriyama explains nothing fans can make head canons that may come true who knows.* The DBZ mistakes are fine, since they don’t impede with the story drastically. No such luck with Dragon Ball Super and constant rewriting of already established things.

But the thing is, Dragonball has passed that line, its too late to go back to that level. It should've been a slow ascend to power than jumping up levels. Even the Universal Tournament had to make rules so that the OP heroes don't just blast everyone away. The best you can hope for is just shut your brain and enjoy the ride, looking for good writing in Dragonball is just asking to be disappointed.

I'm not specifically talking about DB just my thoughts on anime and stories in general.

By the end of the first arc of Dragonball Z, the main villain could blow up a planet. And there were still two more arcs to go. I think it's inevitable that things ended up this way.

I'd say smaller fights with medium stakes are the best. Fuck this world destroyer vs world destroyer who can casually fart a galaxy to oblivion. Just two dudes with swords, maybe an army, a bit of magic, with the stake of a kingdom, or a country.

Low stakes are great, because you can imagine the hero losing so there's weirdly MORE tension. Like, if GodKilled PlanetExplosion is here to kill god and explode the planet.... he HAS to lose. There's no way he won't. But if Ace Goodkick is here and he's just... super good at kicking, and there's a tournmanet with a huge prize that would really help the hero out but if he doesn't get it he has a whole different arc he's gonna have to go on? Well shit. The hero might not beat Ace Goodkick and I need to tune in to find out.

Gabriel Tripp yes yes nobody lays on quite as thick in detail and I love it

"Gripe Draggin' His Balls All Over _inset series title here_ "

El Gran Padre. El super pappy.

It's been a meme for decades. It had to happen at some point.