Doesn’t this depend on your femur to tibia ratio? Not leg length?

@@urbrodieaj2363 really depends on your leg to torso ratio. If you have long legs but a long torso then its not as hard as someone with long legs and a short torso. Having a long torso allows you to stay morr upright during the squat.

@@SKgyebaek A long torso requires you to bend over more not stay upright. That is what he said in this video.

@@kevinthomes1046 as i said it depends on your leg to torso ratio. go look at guys like lu xiaojun. he has very long torso with short legs which means he barely bends over at all during back squat.

@@SKgyebaek You are correct. My statement was wrong.

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I have long legs and arms but a short torso

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Check the description box for a link, but Starting Strength, in my opinion, is actually a great resource for this. I don't even care about the program in the book. The biomechanical analysis is by far the most useful part of the book.

It’s still easier for you to keep your back for though. I tend to avoid deadlifts because if the weight even comes close to my max it becomes too hard for me keep my back flat in that position. And I’ve injured myself several times. I think i need to get a trap bar

Think of moment arms in terms of wrenches. You are the bolt. The longer the arm of the wrench trying to turn you, the harder it is going to be for you to resist being turned. You want to minimize the distance between the joints and the bar for this reason.

PowerliftingToWin so in squat terms what does that mean?

***** I might not be quite right but in Starting Strength it talks about how the bar needs to be directly over the middle of the foot. If the weight moves forward or backwards, the squat becomes a lot harder.

Excuses for shit form

Look at the angle between the lower back and upper legs. its very small and therefore requires great hip mobility. when rounding the lower back you make that angle larger, so less hip mobility is required.

This is the question I was hoping to find an answer for!

It would result in teribble half repping in squats and bench because you cant just make your limbs shorter. See you have to make it fair for everyone. Someone who has long limbs will perform shit in bench and squats and gets most of his total through his deadlift. If some short limbed guy comes along with a monster squat and bench and can do a rack pull deadlift aswell just because of his leverages wouldnt be fair. To make it fair youd have to allow long femur squatters to not even squat to parallel and long armed benchers to not even touch the chest. And thats straight bs and basically the same as starting in an elevated position in deadlifts

@@LolLol-fn9vd on squats and bench I do full ROM

@@alaabarakat8609 i hope so, but starting at an elevated Position in the deadlift is the same as doing a half squat. But thats what you have to decide for yourself. As you said, if you think you dont miss out on any gains you can do it how you want to

@@LolLol-fn9vd I started doing deadlifts without elevating the weight. But elevating the weight so you don't have to change your form isn't half repping. If you have short arms, you either have to lean forward more, and/or squat more to reach the bar, (increasing your ROM compared to the average person), which can shift focus on which muscle is being hit more. Having short arms and elevating the weight will cut your ROM to the ROM experienced by someone who has average arm length. You can think of it this way: having short arms will increase you range of motion compared to people with normal arm length. Having long arms cuts your ROM (genetically blessed) compared to a person with average arm length, but that's not considered half repping. I elevated the weight so that my starting position can be more like that of a person with normal arm lengths, and not to decrease the ROM (but that's just something that happens when you elevate the weight).

Also I wouldn't transfer this logic to other exercises, as I don't see much of an analogy in starting position between deadlifts, squats, and bench press with respect to genetic compensation. For squats, we compensate for our genetics by using different stances (stance width and foot direction). Our body structures are different. Someone might be able to squat narrow stance with no issues, while another person can get injured from doing narrow stance squats. Whereas for deadlifts there really isn't a way to compensate, unless you switch to sumo. But if you stick with conventional deadlifts, you either gotta use more effort or less effort depending on your genetics, for the same amount of weight. Anyways, at the end of the day, what matters is that you see results coming in while minimizing/eliminating sources of injury.

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That is always a technique issue.

This is a great point. I would think torso length as well as leg length also comes into play. For example I have short legs, long torso in relation to my legs, medium length arms. Squatting I need a more upright stance at the bottom to keep effective bar path. I have a great conventional deadlift but much less effective sumo. I believe my short legs comes into play because my arms dont have to be as long to have a shorter moment arm during conventional deads, but my short legs hurt my sumo because I dont have the leverage to get the weight moving off the ground. Am I losing my mind?

@@samsoninthepit Your conventional is naturally going to be stronger due to your lengthened torso being bigger than your legs like you stated. Sumo requires more stress on the glutes, hamstrings and quadriceps and at times (depending on depth) can feel almost awkward, like a squat. I dont think you're going crazy. You're going to be stronger genetically with a conventional more than a sumo because with sumo for your genetics having shorter legs is going to increase that range of motion. For myself, I have a long torso and also very long legs, so I suffer with conventional and have to do much wider stance sumos with a big 90 degree depth to exert power up along that axis when performing a lift. I deadlift with my glutes almost touching my heels when setting up, but my strength is maximised as I can still keep that leverage and moment arm to a decreased level due to my long arms and torso. All about genetics dude. Your conventional you will be generating more torque.

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@@samsoninthepit anytime man. Just remember the laws of leverage. For you having a bigger torso than legs you're going to have to naturally rely on exerting more power through your back than through leg drive. Focus on appropriate lat contraction, shortening that moment arm distance by dropping the glutes and hips, and focus also on your hip/foot and shoulder position when setting up.

Bro same except my bench is a weak point aswell so I’m kinda in a bad spot 😂 well actually I’m 6ft2 with like a 6ft wingspan but I have a long torso so it’s so bad lol

@@jooshualewis1872 dang so everything is weak??? 😂😂 A shorter wingspan than your height should help with your bench. It’s funny because I’ve been working out for 8 months since this comment and now my squat and deadlift are insanely good but my bench and upper body has gotten weaker. Complete opposite now

@@ates423 yeah bro I’m weak af

@@jooshualewis1872 dang I'm 5'10 with 6'3 wingspan

@@Luckygun6513 daym bro your deadlift must be pretty good, I’m 70kg rn and only bench like 75kg squat is like 120kg and deadlift like 130kg aha my deadlift is so bad cause of my short ass arms and long legs

Probably. Big bench and squat means short arms and and short femurs (legs). That basically means you have so squat all the way down in the deadlift setup to keep the bar over mid foot thus having your hips back by a huge amount. Because of sumo your hips are a bit closer to the bar which imrpoves the leverages. I can imagine that your deadlift will get better with sumo but it will probably still suck in comparison to your other lifts

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Guilherme Augusto i am long torso ,short legs and long arms

I have same proportion and I am bad at pressing too

Because people are afraid of knee injury since the more forwarded your knee the more stress it gets. And the knees are smaller and weaker joints than the hips joints so its naturally to have more load on the hips, less on the knees

Stepan Pavlovich Thanks, no one else really explained that before, I appreciate your response, it makes sense.

Logic is flawed. A long torso is bad for deadlifts but a long torso requires short legs. So a short torso is good for deadlifts. And if you have a short torso you have long legs. So long legs arent bad for deadlifting

@@LolLol-fn9vd is it though cause I have a long torso short legs but my femurs are still long compared to the lower portion of legs

@@jooshualewis1872 You still have short legs tho. Even if your femur is long. The comparison is flawed anyways because as you said short legs dont mean short femurs. You have to compare each body part with each other to look at your leverages. For example torso and femur length or femur to tibia length and so on

just look in the mirror you can definitely tell.

+John Yellowhawk must be awkward at the gym lol

+John Yellowhawk Reason why barbell shrugs sometimes suck lol

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what's the solution

Not really because more force will be required even though the angle is the same.

+Aldwin Kendrick Sabando In the deadlift? lol

I thought this too haha, clearly a low bar squat is going to increase the amount you are bent over.

+Hip Albatross he is referring to the picture of Eric Lilliebridge and Blaine Sumner. Eric is more upright because he was using a high bar position at that point in his career

I know how it feels. Your body works against you. You aren't built to squat. With long arms you might make a great swimmer though. Great mobility and weightlifting shoes are key. Without em you probably won't even be able to reach proper squat dept without putting your lumbar spine in a dangerous position (posterior pelvic tilt, aka butt wink).

Bet you have a nice bench, though.

Just switch to sumo and open your hips up. You effectively shorten your legs.

@@lanyburnett7966 it s terrible also knee hits the bar easily

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