It’s just for fun mannnnn.

The problem with powerscaling is that battle between characters people care about are almost never remotely close. The answer is almost always "yeah this character 1 touch speed blitzes your verse sorry". So it encourages people to make the most disingenuous highballs/lowballs too make it so their characters stand any chance

I think favoritism is the biggest culprit, like how people hold characters so high standards and just say nonsense to not have their fictional characters ego's hurt. Also, great video as always.

I have a really good power scaling story. So, I used to work in an after school program for an elementary school right? Two boys came up to me and asked "who would win in a fight, Goku or Superman?" My first thought was 'Ok, there are too many factors.' So I said "they *wouldn't fight, because they're both peaceful and want to protect earth." *We know Goku will not throw the first punch for a sparing match, so don't say he'd force it. They then said "well what if they had to fight?" Now, as their supervisor, I couldn't sit there and commit to this, I had to keep an eye on everyone, so I went to plan B "Well, it depends on what version of each. We have base Goku, SSGoku, SSJSS Goku, Superman, Silver age Superman, Superman 1 million, ect. " I expected them to relent and decide it wasn't worth asking, but they called my bluff and asked "Ok, normal Goku and Normal Superman." I gave them my opinion, they listened, thought about it, and then one said "Ok, makes sense. I still think X would win though because Y." Nobody got mad, nobody called the other a liar, they just respected one another's opinions and debated for the hell of it. Freaking 8 year olds man! Still proud of those boys to this day. They achieved a higher power level than adults 3 times their age.

Powerscaling is fine. Powerscalers are the ones ruining it for everyone. If they stayed in their own spaces we wouldn't even be having these conversations

At the end of the day, Powerscaling is just one the many fun ways fans can engage with a series and other fans. It’s really no different from the speed running and Cosplay communities Can it get toxic? Sure, but that can be said about everything ever

The powerscaling problem isnt the actual powerscaling. Its the fact that some man children get genuinely pissed when you disagree with them.

Just casual power scaling is fun. It's when you become a fanboy and make it your entire personality, it becomes cringe.

I'm confused why something can't be cringe and fun at the same time, but maybe I'm just too free. Being cringe or being called cringe isn't the end of the world, it feels weird to me that both sides are so hung up about it.

In the wise words of Billy: *"Power isn't cringe scaling, you're cringe"* lol But seriously I think it just comes down to when calling any other group or fanbase toxic or cringe: yeah every fan base can be bad but key word CAN. There's always gonna be bad apples in every orchid it's best to ignore them and pick the better ones. It also annoys when people try to bring up Stan Lee's: "It's the writers choice" and act all high and smug about it when it's just annoying. There is no writer in a Vs Debate that's the point of one, there's no one really able to answer the question so people debate and power scale it you're just avoiding the question and not saying anything worthwhile. I think that's all I have to say. Fun video META 👌

“It’s just for fun man” THANK YOU OH MY GOD. WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ITS JUST A HOBBY????

It 100% can get cringe. I love powerscaling in moderation but when people take it to serious and act like they have a score card of how many times they have to be right or something. that's when it gets quite annoying, only thing is its pretty common for people to act like its competitive or something.

I like power scaling I just hate people making stuff up or adding so many handicaps to their side and pretending it's a fair fight Like Goku vs Vegeta in Saiyan saga. Vegeta won that fight hands down. Only way he lost was getting 3 more people helping Goku. But if it was a real one vs one Goku would have died. People remember it as Goku beating Vegeta. Same with how people imply what the character can do instead of what is actually shown. If one character has martial arts as well as the same level of skill they win automatically. Basically it's an ego trip for people

Yeah, the biggest problem in power scaling is basically favoritism... "I want the character that I like, to win" that mentality ends up turning a good discussion into absurds downgrades or wanks... (Not even gonna coment the fact that it's fictional so there's no base rules/laws of physics or something like that, so it can vary a lot depending of the author, and opinions specially when a feat is not explained in the series, then the explanation lies in the opinion of the public, wich varies, a lot...

Same, dude. Saying this as a powercsaler here, I'm honestly doing it for the most shallow of reasons. Example: Me: "Wow. That character has cool powers and looks cool. Me wanna know how strong he is. Oh look. Another cool character with cool powers. I wanna know who beats who." That's literally just it. I'm the type od fan whose biggest focus on a character is their powers and looks. I also look at their personalities and backstories and motivations etc., but I mainly like characters for how cool they look, and how cool their powers are. Thats why I like stuff like JoJo, Chainsaw Man and Overlord. Their powers are cool-looking, complex and interesting to observe, and they look so stylish and badass while using them. And naturally, being so focused on powers and coolness, I tend to look at other characters from other media to see who would win, because their different powers have a cool way to clash and interact, and I find that fun. I said FUN. (Also I just like debates. What's with being part of a debate club and having played stuff like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa and Umineko.) At the end of the day, that's all there is to it. It's meant to be FUN. The biggest problem is the idiots who take it too seriously and snivel and whine when the outcome they want doesn't bear fruit. Those should just be knocked out Markiplier Punch style. Same for those who go out of their way to attack powescalers that are genuinely nice just because they're *cringe.* Know your place, and if you're looking to attack powerscalers, attack the toxic ones. Keep away from the good and nice ones.

There are too many people that think character A is overall better because he is stronger than character B and that is probably why powerscaling is viewed as something cringe. I personally just like hearing a bunch of dudes bring those characters to life with physics

Powerscaling and fanfiction are basically two sides of the same coin, powerscaling is basically nerd fantasy football. No hobby is inherently toxic (unless your hobby is trolling), but certain communities make things toxic. As long as people don’t normalize being an asshole things will be fine and if they do then they won’t.

Great video making arguments even a casual like me can get behind, I'm glad that you addressed the toxic side of the powerscaling community as well. I did not kill a man in downtown Mississippi, 2008.

Powerscaling and debating is fun, its just that the ppl are annoying. Even if theyre not being toxic, they can just be annoying at times. They either cant comprehend a joke, sh*t on others fun, or are actually chill and understand that powerscaling is just to have fun.

Powerscaling is literally just 90% reading comprehension and I cringe whenever people use that stan lee quote because they grossly misrepresent what he was trying to say and also its an appeal to authority

I also saw that video you've mentioned, and it got stuck in my head for some time. So it's good to see this video responding to that video, and hopefully I got a more well rounded viewpoint regarding this topic. TY

What is cringe are people associating coolness and power. When Gear 5 1st came out, people were saying luffy now solos fiction via..... toon force? Them grasping straws to wank luffy aside, there's this very basic idea that losing is uncool, and would devalue their favourite charcters who's coolness relies on their power. Very basically, someone like madara, gear 5, etc getting neg diffed by yamcha would make madara and gear 5 worse losers and jokes than yamcha(yes ik gear 5 is a form not a character). But really, if someone thinks losing or getting defeated is uncool or devalues who they are….. their probably toxic and petty showoffs irl And then there are simply those who deny power scailing because they can't comprehend the idea that characters get stronger, so previously established scailing is now different. And whenever scailing changes, the thing they say is "oh, the fans care more than the writers, writers don't care that much about what they write" which might be true for some, but not all. “what? Piccolo is on par with super Saiyan after 3 years of training? Plot, toryama nerfed the super saiyans. Toryama himself doesn’t know what he’s talking about, probably forgot his own story. Goku getting over 10x stronger in a week when flying to namek and another over 30x after getting a zenkai to fight frieza tho? Makes complete and perfect sense. I wish dragon ball’s power scailing made as much sense as it did back in the day, dragon ball really fell off” The whole "Who ever wins is who ever the writer wants to win" makes absolutely no sense as a debunk to power scailing either, while technically not false, it's just bad story writing advice

I loathe the term cringe. It's such a thoughtless way to say "thing bad" without giving anything any deep thought or reason

Like my boy Kaleb I.A so eloquently put it. Powerscaling isn't cringe, it comes free with your fucking writing

Hating power scaling is so pointless. Its literally the "stop having fun meme"

The Super Saiyan Blue Goku versus Krillain battle can be explained based off of Gokus extreme Ki Control. He was holding back significantly trying to not hurt his friend. At the end he got too exited and nearly ended the life of Krillain by using too much Ki for him to handle.

People hate power scaling because it can be used to prove that yes, your favorite character isn't the strongest lmao

I think powerscaling can be quite the useful tool in assessing the quality of stories. I wouldn't consider it the biggest part of critique, not even close, and you definitely don't need to go as hard into as say you guys do to get the required result, but I think powerscaling is very useful in seeing if a story's characters are consistent (power-wise/skill-wise) throughout. A big flaw many stories could have (especially stories with combat) is that of inconsistent power levels and character skills, but those flaws might get lost in the style and substance of the story, so I'd say powerscaling can be very useful for analyzing the action aspects of a story aside from just set-up, choreography, story significance and whatever else. For example, I've seen a handful of people critique Captain America Civil War for how Iron Man could get beaten by Cap and Bucky in their 2v1, that's powerscaling right there, I've also seen counters to those critiques, that's also powerscaling. Powerscaling helps in discourse, and I really like that.

For me Power scaling was always a cool thing to think and theorize bout witv friends to see what your fav charackters are able to do Then the internet made way too big of a thing with the whole its cringe things Why canz we just all have our fun with it and those that wanna do ot seriously shouldnt get called cringe or so. Cause into legit power scaling a ton of work goes into

This Video is great, I love how its structured and I think it would be great if you could turn it into a series of videos in that you adress some missunderstandings or beiests happening in the community. Sorry if I made some misspellings, im not a native english speaker.

powerscaling is mega dumb but still fun. Their laws of physics don't apply to our world's laws of physics, And different fictional verses's also have different laws of physics and rules that only apply to their world so most of the time it's uncomparable. Yeah sure it's fun to do estimations on how strong your favourite characters are, but why can't people just have a friendly debate about it instead of doxxing and insulting each other based on which character is stronger than which.

bro read the title and took it personally

Meta hit the nail on the head with this one. Powercaling itself isn't cringe. It's typically the (toxic)person doing it, making it that way. Like if my only interaction with powerscaling was rabid individuals going at each other throats over fictional characters' stats. I'm not going to lie I'd think it's cringe to. However, I know that's an outlier and most people are a lot more down to earth and civil. Also, nice shout out to Chuck. His videos and personality in them has really evolved. Hopping Seth can pull a similar redemption but will wait and see

The only big problem I have with power scaling is when fanbases overhype how powerful their character is. For the last time, BEN 10 DOESN'T SOLO FICTION!

Was worried i wasnt gonna see that beautiful intro after that monologue at the start

8:54 Way to misrepresent Big N' Stuff. He was not in denial that Jolyne could punch the meteorites but rather the idea that her punches could deliver a force equivalent to a small nuclear bomb. If that were the case then the rest of the story wouldn't make much sense given she would be able to bypass so many obstacles by punching them like those iron bars which she herself stated she couldn't break open. And in that panel, the only thing that is stated is that her punches had a destructive force equivalent to a small high-velocity meteor. It never goes into the exact mathematics of it.

As a up and coming writer while power scaling in neber my full focus it is important. For certain arks ill write down how strong each character is compared to eachother its pretty easy to keep it mostly consitent with enough planing so a wroter doest have to go out there way to do it but it is important. And also power scaling in fun i love to think sbout hypetheticals between my characters vs characters in and out of my story. Peopel should just chill out and have fun.

Personally, I think the reason powerscaling is even a thing's because people wanted to find a way to use the math they learned in high school that they never used again.

Holy crap this is an amazing video. You probably don't know who tf I am nor will you probably see this but I would like to say that you have been my main source for jjba scales for the past year. I like your content and this video just shows how powerscaling isn't all bad. You're a great content creator.....👍

Those who take powerscalling too far get cringe and toxic

"power scaling isn't cringe" "I'd compare it to the fighting game community or the fps community" Pick one

I agree. I have enjoyed powerscaling for over 15 years, and comparing in-verse characters is fun. However, I dislike cross-series VS debates and find them tedious like comparing apples to oranges. But I understand the appeal.

My big brother is probably one of the biggest Goku meat riders I've ever seen. I'll ask him for proof and reasoning for Goku's strength and he gives the most vague manga panels that explains nothing. Goku is not the strongest anime character and he doesn't understand that. I'm getting him a Goku body pillow for Christmas.

I love this video so much. I think you did an amazing job at approaching a broad (maybe controversial?) topic in such a civil way. Then again, most of your videos are usually formatted in the sense of sticking to the facts and not being biased, so I knew this video was going to be a banger to begin with. I just wish there were more videos (on youtube in general) that cover one side of a coin without becoming extremely opinionated, or just straight up a slander match, and I think this video is a pretty golden example at being able to do that. Keep up the great work!

While I never turned away from power scaling for the sake of writing, I haven't been able to really enjoy the community around it. The few times I tried getting involved in discussions, I found it hard to find people that wanted to TALK about it. Everything had to be a debate or argument, and it felt way too combative. With how aggressive people were, it made it feel like nothing could be discussed in good faith. It sucks, because I genuinely enjoy the topic. I've said it before, but the animosity towards powerscaling has had a really negative impact on authors. Powerscaling SHOULD just be a very basic aspect of writing where needed, but with all the bad blood being thrown at authors, it's leading to cases where the subject is actively avoided.

Power scaling is honestly fine in concept. It’s just power scalers try to do everything in their power to justify their favorite character winning. It’s annoying and kind of ruins what would normally be a pretty fun conversation.

Love your videos man, would love to see you react or comment on certain Death Battle results/scaling.

Can't really blame people for thinking that way when guys like seth & chuck were making it pretty toxic and unfun over the few couple years. Not to mention Seth was a pretty rude guy

Bro it’s because people get tight about it and kinda feeds into the most unhealthy aspects of the discord debate bro culture. The act of being a super nerd and attempting to use as many known quantities as possible to plug into different equations as a way to try and haphazardly stretch the laws of physics to fiction is on its own fine. But it’s inherently quite silly and a lot of us me included take it way too seriously sometimes

People meme "Batman with prep-time" so much because "prep-time" is not meant to be taken at face value. "Prep-time" doesn't mean Batman is invincible, it means he picks his fights carefully, it means he never faces an opponent half-cocked, and while he can improvise he never wins all fights.

It is always funny when people look at versus debating and forget it’s debatable able

I heard powerscaling so much that now it sound like a fake word

It's not the concept itself that's bad, it's the people that ruin it. Power scalers get overemotional

I owe to powerscaling and the vsbattles wiki, the most fun Berdly wiki description I've ever read.

The only problem I have with anti-powerscalers or people who have the opinion that powerscaling is cringe is that they always bring up the "the winner is whoever the writer decided to win" argument which is a stupid argument. I'd rather have someone simply saying that they don't like powerscaling because it's cringe because that at least boils down to one's own personal opinion. The very reason powerscaling exist is to scale how strong a character is when fighting another character. And not just in crossover battles, but in the character's own verse. I mean now imagine a Marvel comic where TOBA for some reason started to destroy the multiverse and then suddenly base form Spiderman with no amp, no enhancement and no power up whatsoever defeated TOBA just because the writers wanted to. See how the "the winner is whoever the writer decided to win" argument is stupid? Because narrative wise it's also stupid. There's a reason why Training Arcs are so popular in battle manga or characters in basically every fiction that relates to battles requires some form of power up or method to make them stronger. It's so that they can be at the same level or surpass the level of their enemy. That in itself is a small application of powerscaling and yet most people, specifically the active anti-powerscalers, tries to ignore powerscaling for some reason. There needs to be a *reason* for a character to beat another character. Writing wise writers can't just write a character beating another character without any reason or explicit explanation on how and why said character wins. I'm just rambling but as METAs said, powerscalers (at least in the community) do what they do because it's just fun. So let us be lol. If you criticize the powerscaling community to be cringe or toxic, that can be said to any community.

Rip Akira toriyama the legend

well its a little cringe but that's fine, its part of the fun.

Mfs be saying Powerscaling is cringe when they can’t even solve basic Algebra equations in highschool. Can’t even do geometry right smh 🤦‍♂️ Can’t be all bark and no bite. Yapping without any proof you smarter than these mfs that try to calculate how Goku can physically destroy an 8th dimensional realm outside the multiverse.

My man hit the risk of rain returns soundtrack in the mid of the vid as I was playing risk of rain returns

Great video, man 👍

9:19 & 9:47 are favorite parts of this video because it can be summed up as "Dude wtf are you talking about it's literally right here on the cover of the book, the author even says it himself like right here."

The two videos brought up by their thumbnails have a bunch of Strawman and Poisoning the Well arguments, just to tell all 14 people who haven’t seen them.

Specifically about the part of "the winner is whoever the author wants to win" as a way to say powerscaling doesn't make sense, is actually why powerscaling makes sense. If both sides can claim a win then what's the point? There's no debate to be had. The reason we use feats as arguments is so that we have something to talk about and reason with, not something intangible like author's intent. Basic communication theory states that communication (such as debate) can only happen when both parties agree on certain things as basis, for example having a shared language and common definitions of things. Feats are the language in which powerscaling happens, without it there's no communication to be had.

Okay, let's get it clear here, powerscaling itself isn't bad but people take it way too personality, don't understand that there is a large element of subjectivity to it, and just make up a bunch of tiers or rankings of power that make sense in their diluted minds but are actually nonsensical when you actually look at it. A lot of these higher tiers literally only exist for people can wank their favorite characters to. Everything in what's called "tier 1" is just a bunch of malarky. Hot take: "Outerversal", "hyperversal" or "complex multiversal" don't exist. Like yes, they have a definition but the words themselves are about as empty. It's just used by a bunch of people who think of themselves as physicists when they're not. "Irrelevant speed" is also innately self-contradictory and the way people define immeasurable speed with a non-sequitur. In what was does having the ability to run backwards or forwards in time mean that an infinitely fast character will look frozen? Scaling a character anything above multiversal is wank 90.00% of the time. Goku isn't "complex multiversal" or "outeversal" because the very concept of those things is needlessly complicated for a relatively simple subject, and because the requirements and definition of those tiers make literally zero sense. The same thing goes with Sailor Moon, or Sonic, Superman, Thor, or literally everyone else.

part of the reason i think people say powerscaling is cringe is the fact that they'll see, for example, a youtuber talk about goku's fight with beerus when goku first acquires ssjg. they hear the powerscaler scale goku to low multiversal because of that fight and think "wtf?!? goku isn't that strong? that makes no sense." basically a character gets scaled to absurd heights that doesn't seem feasible nor possible and people just don't even think twice about it. despite the fact it's literally said that he can do said feat, people just choose not to believe it for some reason.

I agree with this video. I personally dont care for Power scaling, I preer to just like learning more. The only reason I find it cringe is how hard people are with favoritism and generally how toxic parts of the community can be and its sad to so but the toxic parts of a community tend to be the loudest parts

Meta, you do a good job of keeping it for fun and entertainment. I think power scaling 100% has a place in media, especially if an author wants to make an older character relevant. Let's use a very recent example, the Spot from Marvel. The Spot was treated as a throw away villain of the week for a long time. However, his abilities have a ton of room for potential growth. Fans who power scale his potential give a framework to the author and vice versa of what the character can do. Thus allows the author and fans to give feedback without directly interacting. The spot's potential for growth lead to him going from a minor villain, to the main antagonist of argueably the biggest spiderman film ever. What I'm saying, is that power scaling gives a """"realistic"""" framework for how much growth characters can go through, and allow shonen stories to grow in a way that people believe more consistently.

My problem with powerscaling boils down to 2 things: 1, in powerscaling i only care about seeing my favorite characters win agenst someone who vaguely seems op from another Frenchise and yet most of the characters i like are either unliked by the communityand thus never win anything noteworthy or are too obecure so that there are no debates about the characher at all 2, no one will will simply do matches i'd find interesting, the only vs debates the community semms to do are ones between characters in the same franchise or that arbitrarly similar to each other yet the kind of battles i want to see are ones where the charaters are pited agenst opponents whos powrsets are different enough that the fight ends up being more like a puzzle. Jiraya vs master roshi happens to be simply very boring to me i'd more want to see jiraya vs ash ketchum because i think seeing and figuring out how jirya's trickery and theatrics would interact with ash's creativity and environmental awareness would be super interesting

One great example of a power scaling mess I got myself into was this time where I saw this meme on FaceBook about Mario walking down an urban street at night where a koopa warns the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that he was the one who hurt him and the other koopas. So, there was this comment that said something on the lines of, "Mario just needs a superstar to defeat the turtles." So, I added, "Or *various other items from Mario's long list of games* to defeat them. Then there was this guy who was REALLY into the TMNT series and shot down my comment saying the ninja turtles would mop the floor with Mario, saying that the superstar is the only item that could give him a win. So, I tried bringing up some of Mario's biggest feats as I used from Death Battle between Mario Vs. Sonic 2. He actually called my claim, "fanboyism" and then just the whole debate with agree to disagree. I want to add that he powerscaled too, so if my attempt to bring up Mario's feats "Fanboyism" than what do you call his claims?

As someone studying philosophy as my college major, I look at Powerscaling as a rigorous exercise in understanding and comparing different metaphysical systems.

Big N' Stuff's argument about the Jojo character breaking a meteor with a punch because ''the author thought it'd be cool'' but otherwise has normal human limits I don't watch Jojo, i didn't know he was wrong, but even if he was right, not seeing the problem is wild. Inconsistency is awful and bad writing.

Fr. If you don't like power scaling then go away and don't interact. Power scaling doesn't mean toxicity.

You know, came into this pretty leery but I think you made your arguments extremely well. I've dabbled in power scaling less for VS debates and more to get a sense for how strong certain characters were and enjoyed that. Still, the more toxic side of debates is a huge thing that often drove me away from liking it. The other thing, which you did correctly call out here, but that I also think remains a bit iffy is the Jojo example. You correctly address that the author does in fact think about these things, which is neat to know, but I am unsure if that or the statement regarding her ability to punch meteors entirely holds up given the example Bigs supplied regarding her struggling to beat regular people with punches. This feels a bit like a glaring omission and is part of a wider strain of such things that pops up in a lot of shows. See for example, the fact Piccolo can blow up a moon with minimal effort at less than 500 Ki, but then struggles with a metal door when over 100 million. DBZ is kind of the ur example for inconsistent nonsensical power, but I do think its a problem in a lot of shows and makes stuff like this harder.

I think Powerscaling is fine, it the people who are literally always commenting about how this “character wins” or “this character can’t even beat this character” or the most famous of all “Goku Solo”

It's not cringe in and of itself, but taking powerscaling so seriously to the point that you breed toxicity in the fanbase is definitely cringe. The worst culprits are the people who compare two characters from different fictional settings who have nothing in common with each other except that both characters are powerful but one is blatantly more so, and the people who resort to personal attacks and call you "retarded" because you don't agree with them. Even if they're right and you're wrong, it doesn't make that kind of environment any less toxic seeing someone resort to insults over a trivial fictional character dick-measuring contest. "The writer determines who wins" isn't a valid argument in powerscaling, but it for sure is a good reason to not take powerscaling seriously. This concept applies to a lot of things. There is nothing wrong with words commonly labelled as derogatory slurs, it's the asshole who's using them to insult you that is the problem.

I misread the title as "power creep" and was a bit upset for a minute

Some people forget or don't know the fact that this is a trend in Battle Fandoms that was created for fun. Power scaling is all about creativity and imagination. No one can deny it or formalize it. So there's no point in getting too worked up about it, guys.

3:50 King Crimson being the most infamous. Most likely, if a writer wants someone to win, they'll write a way for them to win. A lot of the complaints on the other video aren't applicable to VS Battles Wiki, for example.

Not everybody likes powerscaling... Maybe for you, it's just for fun, but a lot people take it very seriously a lot of times. People can get very salty and ignorant when they realise the character they liked isn't actually at a certain level of power like they may have thought. 6:24 This part where you talked about how people got mad over Krillin doing well against Super Saiyan Blue Goku because it didn't make sense and that if the author writes something like that happening without a good explanation, that that makes them a bad author, i know a lot of people who would disagree with you on that and actually try to defend that scenes and try to make sense out of it even though there is no concrete, sensable explanation for it, you see? So, some people will start to be in denial and try to bullshit like that and they are part of the reason some people find the powerscaling community cringe.

9:29 a little bit of a highball? I think I remember Jolyne not being able to bend the bars of the prison, so obviously she doesn't have the power to destroy the ENTIRE PRISON WITH A PUNCH. Power scaling is usually cool, but I hate when it's so inconsistent. Like when I want to see a fight between characters that shouldn't be god level and suddenly these characters have absolutely ridiculous power levels, or even worse, "light speed" or "FASTER than light speed" (whatever that even means)

I think its mainly just if its a Seth the programmer figure then yes they take it beyond being fun.

Every single conversation I've ever seen with powers scalers turns into people throwing personal attacks that IRL would get someone a mouth full of blood and tooth soup. It holds no predictive power over how writers write, and ignores the narrative purpose characters have in a story. If fans didn't get too emotionally invested, and didn't resort to insults, it would be fun, but that always happens. They also spill out into every conversation other people have online about the characters, and engage with the insults with people not interested in their vs argument, and highjack any discussion into a vs battle with scaling based arguments. It makes it hard to be involved in any fan community, as it drives people away, and from the outside looking in, appears to be filled with autistocrats that take being fans of fiction into a weird and hostile territory, for something that again, holds no power over writers and thus has no predictive power.

My main issue with powerscaling is how most people I've interacted with always take the highest ends possible for every character. I like debating who would win based on how characters fight on average, but when a character's entire debate meta revolves around one random outlier it majorly sucks the fun out of the discussion for me. Another issue I have is "dimensional tiering." My eyes roll into the back of my skull when I hear something like "X beats Y because X is 7D while Y is only 6D." There is no universally agreed upon definition for what these terms mean, and what one author writes as "fifth dimensional" could very well differ from another setting by another author. Also, some settings straight up have "lower" dimensional beings defeating "higher" dimensional beings, so the entire premise of scaling based on random numbers of dimensions is inherently flawed.

Most powerscalers are biased and or obnoxious because “nuh uh this guy is stronger so I like him and ur dumb”

I think jjk’s power scaling is pretty straightforward up until it gets to more complicated situations and powers or when Gege writes himself into a corner where it fumbles a bit for fellow powerscaling people Another thing I do think that Authors don’t DIRECTLY care for powerscaling they do it passively so that a character can overcome a current obstacle. Authors like One Piece just laugh at the idea of it and beat around the bush for it because he does think it is silly but irons it out in his writing

Powerscaling in life : Man vs Crocodile = man is weak unless he has a certain weapon capable of oneshoting it. Nerd vs chad : nerd is weak but powerful unless he calls the authority or learns to gain muscles capable of overwhelming chad the right way

I usually don't understand a damn thing when it comes to power scaling, but I do like to learn about what they can do.

Powerscaling itself is fine, but powerscalers are really toxic a lot of the time which makes powerscaling kinda annoying

9:12 bold of you to assume that a jojo fan can read

i believe that the power scaling should at least make sense with shows themes

Nice video and I love your content

Powerscaling itself isn't the issue but rather some of the nuances going on with it. You have powerscaling itself and the community(communities) who discuss it, whether they're good or bad. The only real way to learn about power scaling is through someone else who HOPEFULLY knows what they're saying. Since 90% of the internet doesn't power scale and we have bad eggs in the community, it leads to crap like this. Fellas, we power scale for fun. Don't take something like this seriously. You'll bring down the crowd that way.

I like the discussion and design which goes into creating character matchups. It helps with both worldbuilding, settings and consistency, and plot writing, and especially plot appreciating too. But I really don't like it when the discussion gets reduced to comparing numbers and picking the highest, especially when those numbers are only given in the first place based on easily made up theory. _Like in Fighting games, character matchups are given as ratios, and it's (very often but) not always a case of high tier beats low tier.. For example in GGST; Happy Chaos is a giga-high tier, with a gun which can extend combos freely or lock down opponents at fullscreen.. Meanwhile Potemkin is a slow, easily zoned, low-tier grappler.. It would be easy to say that Happy Chaos wins easily because Happy Chaos is stronger than Potemkin..._ _But _*_actually_*_ Potemkin is considered to have a 6:4 matchup against Happy Chaos because one of his tools is the perfect anti-Happy Chaos weapon where he can armor through the gunshots and close the distance.._

It's literally just a hobby. If someone said video games were cringe the whole internet would explode.

I always viewed powerscaling as another way to enjoy a series. Figuring how a characters powers relate to real physics and other characters is fun. When used genuinely it can enhance the audiences enjoyment for a series. Its cringe when poeple use it to deteriorate others and other franchizes because they cant comprehend physics or something.

I'm no power scaler and i have no problem with it until i list my top 5 on who i think will win in a fight base on the characters available and some random power scaler just start dissing me saying "your argument make no sense, it's just stupid" 🙄

0:41 "By no means am I trying to hate on the guy, he's just came to the same conclusions as many others before him. And I'm not going to throw him underneath the bus like my predecessors, Seth and Chuck did in the past when these same arguments came around." Instances in which he distinctly _does_ take on a somewhat hostile tone towards Bigs: 0:35 "However this anti-power scaling video is the same regurgitated arguments that I have been personally seeing over the past ten years." 8:33 "However, in Big N' Stuff's video, it clearly shows that he did not do his research, as right before his favoritism segment within the segment, he cherrypicks and is biased right before it." I do believe you when you say you're not trying to hate on Big's video, but I still think you could've done a better job conveying that because how you talk about him does sound kinda hostile a lot of the time.

Powerscaling is fine, but we can’t deny that there is a side to it that is very cringe. Like it delves way to deep for it just being fun anymore. Like some of these powerscalers treat it like there conclusions are absolute and attack those who disagree. That part of the power scaling community is 100% cringe. If you just do it for fun, then yeah it’s fine

Stone from One could beat most, if not all, fictional characters since he'd have decades of prep time in advance

I HEAR COALESCENCE