Taht makes me feel less scared to die

It's true. I am very sensitive to the spirit world and had some very sacred spiritual experience. I can't deny the feeling of home around spirits who visit me and when I have prolonged communication with them, coming back to this reality feels like simulation. Like everything around me in this world is fake and unfamiliar, like you are inside of a dream.

@@starlegends3092 I know this is a year later but as far as the fear of death goes. God didnt give us the spirit of fear, when I think about the fear of death I think maybe I dont trust what is after death 100%. To brave death is to trust you are in the hands of Jesus Christ. I need to take my own advice.

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That's right. Jesus said the same thing. He said if you have see Him, you have seen the Father for they are with each other in spirit while both the Father and the Son are separate personages. When Jesus said the Father is in Him, He meant God's Holy Spirit is with Him. So many people take this out of context and assume God and Jesus are of one body which is wrong and proves the trinity wrong.

We also have a mother.....there.. Anyting else would make reason stare..-- We are Created. In. Their. Image.

GOD. CREATED ". FAMILY.."..! HUSBANDS AND WIVES, FOR THE BEGETTING OF CHILDREN.. THIS IS THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE OF MORTALITY...TO BRING TO PASS THE EXULTATION OF HUMANITY...

I agree

Thanks for sharing

@@latterdaysaintsqa anytime! You do a wonderful job!

Thanks!

Some excellent additions - thank you!

@@latterdaysaintsqa so why we here

@@snupecruz4652 to become as christ, are you willing to give nothing less then everything, like your father in heaven did?

@@snupecruz4652 Was this question ever answered completely? I'd love to help out if you still have any questions.

Gut feeling* I meant

Yes - that was my experience over and over agin on my mission as well - and it almost didn't seem to matter what religious background they had!

Well the Bible speaks nothing of it so it can’t be true.

Please watch the video to see a number of Biblical verses shared, as well as quotes from early Christian fathers

None of these verses served as evidence to the point of the video. All were misused. The only verse here that even has a chance at being evidence is the Job38 verse. The ecllesiates and revelation Jeremiah John references were unrelated and out of context. The rest of the writers are interesting but the Bible is the only text that truly matters when it comes to topics like these. I don’t mean to be aggressive btw or seem that way. I clearly see things differently and it’s good to be passionate about our faith even if they may be slightly different. We see the text differently obviously. I do have a question as well though. If we were with God does that mean we were cast out. The Bible makes it clear we had no knowledge of sin until the fall in the garden so what would we have done to be put on earth. Also why would he make us lower then the angels if we were with him in heaven? To be with God would mean we were completely sinless because God can not tolerate sin. So the big question is why the switch up? Genuinely interested, again not malicious

Crang Creekin as far as I’m aware. The LDS is the only church with a definition of the Soul. That is, the soul is the body and spirit together united as one.

In other faiths, the soul is another word for spirit. They are used interchangeably. In our faith, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDSs, a soul is a spirit and a body joined together - a living human being.

@@theephraimite I personally believe that the soul is like the middleman between the spirit and the flesh. 24/7 your soul is constantly in the battle of deciding to follow the flesh or the spirit in your decisions. When you die the corrupt flesh goes into the ground, your spirit which has been made perfect (which is also the real you) goes to the Father, and the soul is no longer needed and doesn’t exist anymore.

According to LDS theology, the spirit united with the body is the soul.

The soul your soul is your spirit and your body . Because when we are resurrected we have our body and our spirits United never to be divided . Some people feel like the spirit is the souls but the soul is the body and the spirit . In the garden God made Adam a body and breath the breath of life into him. And man became on living soul .

Wonderful to hear - thanks for sharing!

@@latterdaysaintsqaare you in the Mormon church?

Love your comment - thank you!

Yeah! That suit - is our Earth suit!!!

Thank you!

Thank you for your comment and agree so much with what you said about our knowledge of this doctrine shaping the way we view being a child of God and what it means to call each other brother and sister! Its not just metaphorical for us!!

@@latterdaysaintsqa I'm a Christian not a Mormon but I respect your beliefs. ATHEISM AIN'T GOT NOTHING NEW OR BETTER TO OFFER THAN THE VERY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THEY'RE CRITICAL OF SO IT'S HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST 😂. Hello this is for all you Atheists, unbelievers and skeptics. I'm going to address a few misconceptions and lies about God's Character and His Word. The Bible doesn't support chattel slavery or anything else Immoral. Ok so Atheists and unbelievers say God is either Immoral, incompetent or not responsible so let's see what The Scriptures actually say. God revealed himself and created a nation in a real, historical context. It was a world with a slave-based economy, with city states often at war with each other, with polygamous marriages to ensure the continuation of family lines. The laws of the Old Testament regulate this behaviour. Slaves are to be treated humanely (Exodus 21:11). They are given rights and not seen as mere possessions. Hebrew slaves were able to buy their own freedom. Human trafficking is condemned (Exodus 21:16). In contrast to the law code of Babylon, Old Testament Israel was a light to the nations. The Old Testament law and narratives do not stand alone. Jesus is now the best example of what we read. So the moral teaching of the Bible cannot be summarised by a quote taken out of context from the Old Testament to demonize God and His Word. Slavery was permitted in Old Testament law but it was regulated by God giving the Israelites instructions on how to fairly and humanely treat their slaves (it was like indentured servitude where someone could work for you if they owed debts or needed income not cruel like chattel slavery). God allowed the people of Israel to own slaves since they themselves has already experienced over 400 years of generations of Egyptian slavery and knew how inhumane it was to be beaten, overworked and taxed so God set them apart from other nations and cultures around them by giving them a fair way to treat their slaves since slavery had already existed in the world but it doesn't mean God condoned it just used it for His Will to bring Good And in the light of the whole scriptural teaching, we find the reasons for its ultimate abolition (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1-3; Philemon 15-16 and Galatians 3:28). The Word of God provided the moral standard against slavery in the Roman Empire and against the slave trade in the New World. But what of genocide or holy war in the book of Joshua? Several things could be pointed out. The use of warfare in the ancient world did not always mean literal total destruction, even when events are described in such terms. Furthermore, the book of Joshua does not describe a genocide. It is not a race who are being wiped out, as in genocide, but a religious practice which was often appalling and degrading. Those who repent (like Rahab from Jericho or Ruth) are not destroyed but become part of Israel. It is not the racial group that is in view but their "detestable practices". However, after all is said, we must still acknowledge that God brought judgment on the nations of Canaan. It is not our place as believers isn't to sugar-coat the Bible. For some skeptics, this is enough to make God a moral monster. But the fact is that Jesus continued to affirm that God is a Judge who will bring a future judgment on all peoples and all nations. God’s judgment will be just. The list of Old Testament stories rejected by critics often leads to a similar dismissal of the New Testament teaching of Jesus on the existence of hell. After all, what was the Flood of Genesis or the conquest of Joshua if not a glimpse of future judgment? Hell does not demonstrate cruelty on God’s part, but it does demonstrate His Holiness and our moral accountability. Perhaps this is the real reason many people rail against the God of the Bible? It is not that they think He is a moral monster, but that they are afraid He is a moral Judge, and that has implications for our behaviour now. God is an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being and we as His creatures have Eternal souls and spirits so the punishment for our sins against Him must therefore also be Eternal but so must the reward for righteousness that's why He sent His Son Jesus to live a perfectly righteous and sinless Life (which none of us could ever possibly expect to do) suffer the humiliating and torturous death of crucifixion to shed His Own Blood willingly so that all who willingly accept His gift of salvation by grace through faith in Him will be saved and given Eternal life because that's what God wants is for us to willingly accept His gift of salvation and choose life. Exodus 21:20-21 literally speaks about capital punishment befalling anyone who mistreats their slaves so yes people are taking Scripture out of context to demonize God who literally promises that slaves who are mistreated under someone else's authority is to be avenged. When we hear the word “slavery” we think of innocent human beings, kept prisoner for life, having no rights under law and so reduced to animals. This is clearly immoral because it is unjust: the slave has done nothing to deserve the treatment. The situation described as “slavery” in the Bible was nothing like this. It is more accurately described as one of indentured servitude. Many “slaves” were indentured servants, working for a term of years Some other “slaves” were prisoners. There were no prisons. Prisoners had to work to live like everyone else. Some had life sentences. Some served a term and were released. People didn't beat their good slaves but treated them well and protected their assets thus. But no matter how rebellious a slave was, you couldn't just beat them to death. And if you knocked out their tooth or damaged their eye then you had to set them free. (Exodus 21:26). God wasn't using what other nations did because He wanted to set His Chosen People of Israel apart from the cruel, inhumane and unjust systems other cultures had so He gave them a fair way to treat their slaves and servants. There is a lot of ignorance on this topic which is understandable given the age we live in but it's not the nefarious set up we think of when we think of modern slavery. The question Atheists must ask themselves is how come the Jews aren't being accused of slavery and human trafficking if they're guilty of it in The Bible and why would white slave owners rip out pages from The Old and New Testament Scriptures to justify their owning blacks as slaves if The Bible already justified slavery?

Great insight - thanks for sharing!

Also consider, we are "redeemed". ie. regain, recover, retrieve, reclaim, repossess.

Thank you and glad you found the video!

Thanks for reaching out - hope you are doing well. Lately I have been extremely busy with work and church callings so glad the video library I wanted to build is complete. I still do spend an hour or two every day answering video comments and emails so its fun to stay involved in that way!

Aww so sorry for your loss. I lost my dad and brother. I believe we will see them again. ❤️❤️

We definitely will as I’ve been on the otherwise and visited with my grandma! It’s gloriously beautiful! Serene and filled with love so you’re constantly being hugged and in a warm embrace! I know these things to be true! In Jesus Christ’s name! He lives and we live after this life!

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So very sorry for the loss of your mom

Wonderful to hear - thanks!

Fascinating info - thank you for sharing!

@@latterdaysaintsqa I am amazed at the parallels between Mormonism & my culture. Thank u for the informative videos that help an outsider like me understand Mormonism. 👍

Thank you for the comment and watching the videos!

LDS in tha house! Love this 🙌🏽

It really brings the idea of infinity and eternity full circle...the idea that we were all created and lived with God before we had physical bodies plays into our deep connection to the Earth and the universe as a whole. Scientists say we are on a one way trip to forever ♾️ as the universe expands more and more rapidly. This really makes me feel very intimate with God , and in my opinion ties into this belief. Of course I was raised in the LDS church, I however haven't been active in over 25 yrs. But this belief has always been readily accepted by me , it just felt , right...

Yeah atheists but also Anti Mormons. LDS content on KZfaq tends to get frowned upon.

Dont athiests believe in the First Law of Thermodynamics? Energy is neither created nor destroyed. What of our life force?

Thank you!

I don't have any videos on that topic. Interesting about your dream confirming your testimony of the Church since the Bride of Christ is symbolic of the Church. Here are a few articles on the topic you might find interesting: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1995/01/the-marriage-metaphor?lang=eng www.ldsliving.com/what-it-means-to-be-the-bride-of-christ-how-to-build-a-lasting-relationship-with-god/s/89645

Thank you!

Thank you for the comment!

I know and love that feeling!!

I feel this too, it's just a familiar feeling. Like going back to an unknown place that you have no recollection of, yet know where everything is.

Thank you!

You will really enjoy the video I did on Heavenly Mother (and ancient evidence for this belief among the early Israelites) - here is the direct link to that video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pslxlc6n0bGboYU.html

@@latterdaysaintsqa Oh no, I'm not coming against you, at all. Everything you've said is true. I'm just saying, don't forget our BELOVED HOLY HEAVENLY MOTHER. Ok, I'll watch your video of, our HEAVENLY MOTHER.

Oh no problem - I didn't have any problem with what you said and believe it strongly as well. Just wanted to know of a video I did on the topic! Thanks for the comment.

@@latterdaysaintsqa Brethren, thanks. I'm just adding unto all the truth's that you're speaking about. And I'm sure you agree with me, with other truth's I'm going to say now. (3 problem's) with the Bible, 1st, missing historie's or book's, 2nd, has been forged, and 3rd, translation.

I have also done a video on that topic, which I entitled “New Testament Issues That Can Challenge Faith”. Here is a direct link if you are interested: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b6t-eriam-DOlWg.html

Thanks for the comment - the video library of content I wanted to create was completed. I left the door open if something comes up that I haven't already addressed in some fashion. Feel free to reach out to me via email - use my website latterdaysaintsqa.com and click on the contact me link.

Thank you for sharing your personal views and glad you are here visiting the channel!

I almost felt like this a comment I had left. I have the same remembrance as you! I was a spirit and it's like being in a space with unconditional love surrounding you. We all have to be born through water in the womb and come here when it's our turn. Our purpose is to help each other while here. We are given physical bodies and are able to help each other. God wants us to love him but we have free will to choose if we want eternal life and will be written in the book of life If our works and hearts are good.

Good to hear and thank you for watching!

It is an old concept that was clearly lost as evidenced by the citations in the Bible as he mentioned. It was restored in modern times by modern prophets. Welcome

It is beautiful to know we lived with him before coming to earth. A loving God would want us to we with him and give us the knowledge we would need to return to live with him.

Do you believe in the Bible?

You pointed to Revelation 12:7-11 The war in heaven Where are those 1/3rd of the angels can't out of heaven? Here on the earth. Every time you read in the Bible about a person being posessed of a spirit yhey are being possessed by one or more of the cast out angels. Luke 8. The man in the tombs cutting himself. A Legion of devils possessed him. How bad did they want a body? So bad that they preferred the bodies of pigs rather than not having a body at all. Are they jealous of us because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes ! Do they hate us because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes Are they at war with us because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes Why do we have a body, and they don't have one? Because we are the ones who kicked them out of heaven.

I love the first scripture thank you

Likewise! Very powerful when the Lord is saying not only that he knew Jeremiah before birth, but that he ordained him to be a prophet before birth as well!

Thank you!

Thank you for sharing one of my favorite scriptures which truly encapsulates the essence of the gospel!!

Thank you so much for sharing - absolutely love and agree with your comment!!

Thank you for watching and commenting! I will share how we would answer those questions, but to do so first requires explaining how we view the pre-mortal and post-mortal life, noting this is coming from a doctrinal perspective that might differ quite a bit from your background. Please stay with me on this because a number of things need to be explained so it will be lengthy, but then I will answer your questions at the bottom. We believe that we all existed as intelligences who were then born into God’s family as His spirit children. There we learned and progressed. We believe that we had agency to choose as spirits, between right and wrong. We believe God provided us with a plan (we call it the plan of salvation) in which we could progress further by coming to earth to obtain a physical body. We would have a veil placed over our mind so we couldn’t remember our pre-mortal life, allowing us to learn to experience the trials and oppositions of mortality, to learn to choose good and to follow God with faith, not by sight anymore. This would provide a deeper level of growth than could have been accomplished in the pre-mortal life. God knew we would make many mistakes while here on earth, but He provided a Savior for us, His only begotten Son in the flesh, Jesus Christ, which would allow us to be forgiven if we choose to follow Him. We believe that this plan was presented to us in the pre-mortal world and that there was an opposition to this plan, led by Lucifer before he was cast out, and became then known as Satan. While we don’t know exactly what he proposed, we are taught he sought to take away the agency of man. Lucifer, who wanted all the glory, essentially wanted to save everyone by not allowing agency, taking away the ability for us to truly grow. To have agency, you need to have 3 things: choices, freedom to choose, and consequences for the choices. My guess, especially based on what we see here on earth now, is Lucifer’s pitch was probably to take away consequences - everyone would be saved no matter what they did and without any requirements. It would have been an attractive sales pitch for those worried about failing here in mortality. We believe that the reward for us choosing God’s plan of salvation was to be able to be born into mortality on this earth. We believe those who did not agree with it and who maybe even tried, with Lucifer at their helm, to overthrow the Father’s plan, were cast down to earth, without receiving physical bodies. They became devils, allowed to be the opposition to good which is needed on earth for us to learn to use our agency to progress, strengthen our faith, and learn to become more like God. The scary arithmetic is that we believe 1 out of 3 spirit children rejected the Father’s plan and followed Lucifer. We believe that this “war in heaven” is what is described in Revelation 12 (vs 4 is where you read about the 1/3rd part, vs 7 the war and vs 9 the casting down to earth of Satan and all of his followers). Those who followed Satan and were cast down (like described in Revelation 12) are considered Satan’s angels (or better known as devils!) God has angels too whom He sends to visit the earth, with specific assignments to minister, strengthen, protect, warn or admonish His children. God’s angels are among His spirit children, either those who have not yet been born or those who have already been born and died, having been faithful to God’s plan. After death, we spend time in the spirit world, in a portion referred to as paradise, or another part referred to as spirit prison. Those in paradise have been faithful to God’s plan on earth and can serve as angels to teach and minister to those in spirit prison who never had a chance to know God’s plan on earth or who may have known it but never chose it. Prison is just a figurative word meaning their progress is stopped because they still need to be taught the gospel or repent and follow it. In this post-mortal spirit world, we can still repent and make progress with the help of angels who can teach and strengthen those who need it. For those who died in wickedness, spirit prison can be a hell for them as they will have to suffer great anguish for their sins that they would not repent of on earth. But if they do repent, and turn to Christ, they can be forgiven in the spirit world. Upon the resurrection and final judgement, we believe we don’t just go to heaven or hell. We believe there are 3 heavens or “degrees of glory” we are assigned to according to the degree we chose to follow Christ on earth and in the post-mortal spirit world phase. There is also a place referred to as outer darkness, where the very few will qualify to go - more on that belowl. In 1 Corinthians 15:40-42, Paul talks about the resurrections of the dead and different celestial bodies - comparing them in light or glory to that of the radiance of the sun, moon and stars (even the stars have light to us and are much better than darkness, but are a long ways in brilliance from the moon, and especially from the sun). He gives 2 of them names - Celestial and Terrestrial. We understand the last, that similar to the stars, to be the Telestial. Also, in 2 Corinthians 12:2, Paul talks about being caught up in a vision visiting the “3rd heaven”. If you want to read a description of a vision had by 2 individuals together - Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon in 1832, describing these 3 degrees of glory and who will be going there, along with outer darkness - it can be found in part of our canonized scripture known as the Doctrine & Covenants, specifically section 76 - here is a direct link: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng Now that I have shared all of this background, I can address your two-part question. You asked first “if we have pre-earth lives in the spirit with the Father, how can such a large proportion of those follow evil and end up in hell?” Based upon our beliefs shared above, we would first acknowledge that anyone who is born on earth, followed God’s plan and chose Christ in the pre- mortal battle against Satan. We know this by the very fact that they were born and received a physical body. The devlis we don’t see, but are here, were punished by not being allowed to have a body and experience mortality. As far as who ends up in hell after this life, because we believe there is a post-mortal spirit world between death and the resurrection, people can change and repent there as well. Then after the resurrection, comes the final judgment where Christ is the judge, so it is hard for us to say who is going to which of the three kingdoms of glory or who will be among the very few who are cast down to outer darkness. The vision of the 3 degrees of glory and outer darkness mentioned above gives a very good idea of where someone will be assigned, but we have to be aware of that interim spirit world condition in which someone can change. Those in spirit paradise are working with and teaching those in spirit prison to try and help them change. We believe based on the descriptions, almost everyone will be rewarded with one of the 3 degrees of glory (although those assigned to the lowest will first have to suffer completely for their sins since they didn’t accept Christ’s atoning sacrifice on earth or in the post-mortal spirit world.) We don’t know what that suffering entails but even D&C 76:84 refers to their experience waiting in the spirit world to be some of the last resurrected as a “hell”. But even these people who lived wickedly on the earth and didn’t change in the spirit world end up after resurrection and final judgement in a “degree of glory” - the “telestial kingdom”, or lowest kingdom but still a degree of glory. D&C 76:89 says “And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding” (imagine what the “moon” and “sun” glories must then be like!) The number who are cast into outer darkness is extremely limited, they are known as sons of perdition. They have committed what is known as the unpardonable sin, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost - see Matthew 12:31-32. In the link I shared above, see also vs 34-36 - Those who deny the Holy Ghost after having received it and crucify the Savior unto themselves will have no forgiveness and will be sons of perdition. Joseph Smith once elaborated on what this entails "All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against Him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith Section Six 1843-44, p.358) So for the last part of your question - “Do the souls of irredeemably evil people like Hitler exist as premortal souls in hell before they’re born?”. We would say again that anybody born on earth chose God and Christ and their plan in the pre-mortal life. It’s hard to imagine that somebody like Hitler chose God’s plan in the pre-mortal world, but that is our understanding. Those who chose evil in the pre-mortal life are devils now and will never be born. As far as Hitler’s future, only Christ can be the judge and we believe all the above will apply. Hope that all helps - you may also enjoy 2 other videos I did on Restoring Original Christianity (in part 2 I discuss the 3 levels of heaven believed by the early Christians for example).

Thank you for sharing! You would love a book I just finished reading about NDE's and how many of the experiences relate to Latter-day Saint doctrines - the title is "Glimpses Beyond Death's Door" by Brent & Wendy Top

I am very grateful you found the channel while you are investigating and that it can be a counterbalance to all of the negative you have seen. At the end of the day, what I love about our message is it doesn’t rely on what anybody says - the evidence for the restoration is the Book of Mormon and the test of its divinity comes down solely to the reader and God (see these key Book of Mormon sections with regards to that test - Moroni 10:3-5 and Alma 32:26-43). If you haven’t seen it already - a key video on the channel I would suggest for you is Book of Mormon: Match It! Here is the direct link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptSbpbSAqs7ZeHU.html Ponder as you are reading and praying about the Book of Mormon - could this have been produced via oral dictation from someone with a 3rd grade equivalent education, in appx 65 days with no source material (it simply bogles the mind!). Some other videos on my channel regarding The Book of Mormon, which you may find interesting: Book of Mormon Author Theories Debunked, Book of Mormon Evidences, LIDAR - Changing History & Rewriting Archeology, Why Book of Mormon Anachronisms, Understanding Book of Mormon Word Choices, What is the Bible Doing in the Book of Mormon Please let me know if I can help you in your journey with any questions - please reach out to me directly through my website latterdaysaintsqa.com, using the “contact me” link. Thanks!

@@latterdaysaintsqa Thank you for all of that! I have gone to church with the missionaries last sunday and Im going again this sunday too. Theres alot of material you left for me to unpack. I will surely go through all of it. Thanks again!

Wonderful and please stay in touch if I can be of further help on your faith journey!

Thank you!

I remember a calm and soft voice calling to me from a light in a dark place. I don’t know when this happened exactly, but all I remembered after that were some images from being an infant, and then waking up at age 4, waiting for my school bus to preschool.

I am not sure what that means but it sounds like a special blessing to have had that glimpse. In general, we have a veil over our minds, because we are to walk by faith in this life, but the Spirit can help us feel things about our pre-mortal experience, while still requiring faith. Maybe in special cases, and for reasons we don’t fully understand, extra gifts or blessings are given where even more is revealed as in your case. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it is really quite stunning that a Roman Emperor was behind all Christians (except Latter-day Saints due to the restoration!) losing this critical understanding!

Thank you!

Thanks for sharing your thought! Our first prophet, Joseph Smith received a revelation in 1833 that had similar thoughts to what you just shared. It is canonized to us Latter-day Saints in our Doctrine and Covenants (found in section 93, verse 29). Here are the exact words: Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

Few people ever get back to me. Having a grandmother who was a Mormon... Jewish grandfather... catholic clerical training... I suppose my point of view tends not to follow a specific party-line... which almost always leads to some form of ostracizing. Joseph Smith can’t be considered a prophet in the Jewish sense... however... his genius is often overlooked or not even considered. I understand organizations often feel the necessity to sanitize history. This is not necessary. Let’s celebrate all Christians (yes... Mormons are Christians... and act like it) that believe Yeshua is the Christ and take Proverbs 25:2 to heart. We can celebrate all who seek the truth about the Savior... Philippians 2:9-11. Creekin. How can Isaiah 7... and 9 possibly be true? The answer can change even the hardened of hearts amongst non believers. Let us not denigrate so much the true seekers of the Messiah. Creekin.

Thank you for sharing!

Which would make God, who "is Spirit," (John 4:24) the "Father of spirits," (Heb 12:19), even the spirits of all men, right? This seems to be what Paul declared to those in Ephesus when he said there is "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Eph 4:6) The spirit returns to God who gave it because it is His Spirit, His Life, His breath, that was breathed into man (whom "Adam" represents, whether "the first man Adam," or "the Last Adam"). Scripture tells us that God is Spirit. It also tells us that there is only "one Spirit" by/through which all men are united with each other, as "one body" (the body of Christ, whose body we are) and with God (through Christ, whose Head is God). It seems to me that this is why scripture speaks of "the only begotten Son," who is bringing "many sons" to glory. The Head (Christ Jesus) and the body (body/bride of Christ) make up "one man," who is "the Son of God." So I agree with you that our spirit is a piece of God. Amen! Which is why scripture calls men "gods" and God "God of gods." To Latter-Day Saints' Q&A: While I agree with Crang Creekin, that certainly doesn't prove the pre-existence of man in the way LDS doctrine teaches it. Nor does it necessitate that we have a "mother in heaven" (as well as a Father), as LDS doctrine teaches. After all scripture tells us that the "first man" was natural, earthy, formed out of the dust of the ground... into which God breathed His Spirit, or the breath of life, making man "a living soul." It also tells us that all things that were created were created in, by and through Christ. He is said to be the beginning AND the end of ALL things. However, the LDS Church does not teach that. Not only do they teach the eternal separation of some soul (whether in outer darkness or just some lower kingdom of heaven), they place divisions in heaven, wherein not even all who make it to "heaven" make it back to "the Father." So while LDS doctrine doesn't send quite so many people to "hell," as does traditional Christianity, neither does it proclaim the truth of who Jesus Christ is, the Saviour of ALL men. I have a question that I will ask in a separate comment.

Chrissiela I felt the spirit of Christ in your response. How much does G-d weigh? No kidding... this is a serious question. I suspect just about as much as the 1.2 billion waveforms going through our bodies right now. What makes man so special compared to the many different humanoid forms that exist and have existed throughout the eons? Serious questions. Reading Isaiah Chapters 7 and 9 we see that this creation was chosen for God to manifest himself... and in part... through Yeshua Jesus... his issue in a sense... in human form... in human flesh. Not hard for him to do since he designed everything we see. The Word that all things were created through. The Word that was with the Always from the beginning this was done through. Once Jesus ascended to the Father (not touched by any human at this resurrected point in order not to receive any type of virus) he reintegrated with the Always... beyond our imagination... where he came from. The Father felt every insult and stripe. But it seems to me that Yeshua gave up much more than just suffering... as part of God that felt every insult and stripe... Yeshua took on flesh for eternity. He gave up so much so he wouldn’t have to destroy it again as he has done so many times. But he’s testing us. Is Jesus G-d? Of course he is. Jews can get this if they open their mind a bit. Is my son me? Of course he is. Much of the same programming. Except Jesus came from G-d... G-d from G-d... same for the spirit. Perhaps not completely integrated by design from time to time but all are part of the great undivided. Yeshua and G-d... G-d and Yeshua... the Holy Spirit. You show me where they all start and stop. Thank you for sharing. I read your response three times. I suppose what is discarded on the day of judgement is the soul and not the spirit that can’t be destroyed... the bad programming that we chose not to be fixed by the Blood of the Lamb... which is G-d from G-d... separated for a time... but not really because the Holy Spirit is always present. Creekin.

While pre-mortal life isn’t the doctrine of any major Christian denomination except the Latter-day Saints (and the original Christians!), I have found that most people have an intuitive sense that you just described and feel it is true doctrine.

You will really enjoy the video I did on Heavenly Mother (and ancient evidence for this belief among the early Israelites) - here is the direct link to that video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pslxlc6n0bGboYU.html

Here is a brief article with a well articled thought to your question: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/new-era/2015/02/to-the-point/why-cant-we-remember-our-premortal-life-as-spirits-and-when-will-those-memories-return?lang=eng

Several suggestions: You could reach out to schedule a visit with missionaries for the church - you can arrange a visit in-person or online. Here is the link to request that: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/requests/missionary-visit In conjunction with that, I would be happy to correspond with you on questions as you research - you can contact me through the website latterdaysaintsqa.com, using the 'contact me' link. Lastly, if you want to go deep on this specific topic of pre-mortal existence, I would suggest the book: When Souls Had Wings: Pre-Mortal Existence in Western Thought by Terryl Givens

Thank you!

Absolutely!

Thank you for sharing!

When the spirit enters the body is not something that has been revealed. Here is a link you may find helpful on a number of related questions, with links to various sources: mormonr.org/qnas/NqLo5b/abortion?gclid=CjwKCAjw7eSZBhB8EiwA60kCW2IFpWzUbyr_r_zrBmojpfJKiTdSjbp8VTB8j-9VNz843AjLu5-VcxoCZZcQAvD_BwE

Thanks!

The Bible scripture he’s quoting shows that this doctrine is biblical. Therefore has its base on the Bible.

And not exclusively LDS

@@LuisCastillo-fw9moI’ve been studying the Bible from cover to cover for decades, served a mission. I already know the preexistence doctrine is biblical but is virtually exclusively LDS, despite the fact it’s in the Bible. So, why don’t other church got it is a mystery to me.

Thank you and God bless you as well!

You are always you - your spirit is your and yours alone, but yes, you can be influenced and strengthened by other spirits, and you gave some perfect examples of this from the scriptures. I often talk about having the sprit of Elijah when I am driven to research my family ancestry (see Malachi 4:5-6).

@@latterdaysaintsqa thanks for insights.

It hasn't been revealed at what point during pregnancy that the spirit enters the body

At conception www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-1-31/

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks!

Thank you for sharing your insights

Thank you - love the comment!

Haha 😄, l always wondered why a few Christian Churches ✝️ believe God and Jesus Christ are of the same person or personage. I found most Churches, that left their mainstream and established another church, but with honest, intentions of virtue, well versed in the Bible. Reasons they had and all. When it was said by Heavenly Father, lll try remembering "for l am he and he is me, my only begotten, praying unto me, is praying unto him;" Standing together as its always portrayed. The two as they appeared to Smith, young man Joseph. Not one, so l say the same, b-cuz, Son and Pop stores are the same, authority to sign off, fire, hire and run the place. "Yall listen, ah Working with my boy is like working with me. So, if its all just the same," Something like that, Which couldn't be, the universal law of the universe is

@@cowboyneverdycowboynevercr2027 We also read in the Book of Abraham, that Abraham saw the pre-earth world in vision. He saw in a group of the Great and Nobles that there was one "like unto God". We see that Jehova/Jesus Christ was well established in his pre-earth accomplishments with the Father of us all. John 1:1-3 Jehova had already accomplished godhood before he was born, one who the Father could delegate over all parts of eternity.

Here is the video I did on that topic - “Joseph Smith’s Seer Stone Culture”: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNahoZNlsqzVnWw.html

Thanks for the comment - love it!

Thanks!

I've often wondered if there is something to that occasionaly! Here is a fascinating quote from President Eyring's last general conference address: I have been blessed to feel that peace every time I enter the sacred temple. I recall the first day I walked into the Salt Lake Temple. I was a young man. I looked up at a high white ceiling that made the room so light it seemed almost as if it were open to the sky. And in that moment, the thought came into my mind in clear words: “I have been in this lighted place before.” But then immediately there came into my mind, not in my own voice, these words: “No, you have never been here before. You are remembering a moment before you were born. You were in a sacred place like this where the Lord could come.”

I did an entire separate video on Heavenly Mother - here is the direct link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pslxlc6n0bGboYU.html

Thank you!

Good to hear - thank you!

@@latterdaysaintsqa For real, I was having an existential crisis back then and this video really helped me.

Glad you came across the video when you did and that it helped you in the way you needed at that time!

Yes

The King James Version is the official Bible of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can read it at the official website churchofjesuschrist.org.

Chrissiela, I understand the point that you are making. We look at Jacob and Esau. We also understand God's fantastic grace that he blesses us by. My mind is drawn back to Jeremiah 1: 5- As a man destined to become a prophet, Jeremiah had rough times during the conquest of Jerusalem. God reminded him; Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Since we can't remember our life before our birth, we don't remember the accomplishments we made in that yonder heaven before the throne of God. From a personal experience, I learned that before we were born we had a fantastic amount of respect for the Noble one we called Father! Nothing was done without his stamp of approval. I also know that he was personally involved in our pre-earth spirit life and knew our accomplishments. Jacob was a good man and God already knew what man he was destined to become.

Only the prophets make church doctrine. My experience was doctrine to help me. Abraham was given similar experience to help him. Therefore I was able to understand the love and majesty of the father & Jehovah.

Thanks. I will look into Andrew Jukes' read.

Thanks for the comment