'Pre-war era': 'If Ukraine falls' war with Russia is inevitable | Tim Marshall reacts to Donald Tusk

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What does Putin want? Does he want to recreate Russia’s borders from thirty years ago?”
“Yes.”
Tim Marshall, author of Prisoners of Geography, reacts to Donald Tusk’s claim that “we are in a pre-war era” - but we are closer to 1936 than 1939, he says. “If Ukraine falls, it’s a matter of time before we fight.”
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@philipmulville8218
@philipmulville8218 3 ай бұрын
Tim’s point about Western European intellectuals and politicians mistaking the events of 1989 and the 1990’s for what they were - a holiday from history - is spot on. Eastern Europeans understandably see things differently.
@janniemeyer9951
@janniemeyer9951 3 ай бұрын
“No plans to attack a NATO country.” “We are not attacking Ukraine.”
@operator9858
@operator9858 3 ай бұрын
@@sjengberts5484 he did. but we forced him into it. should have learned the lesson after georgia but learning is not something you folks are capable of.
@DeanFWilson
@DeanFWilson 3 ай бұрын
Exactly. Putin swore blind he wasn't going to invade Ukraine, and then did it. It's just like all oh Hitler's denials before he invaded yet another country. Putin 100% has plans to invade NATO countries if things go his way (Trump election, Ukraine defeat, poor NATO military spending, etc.).
@Anti_Putin_Russian
@Anti_Putin_Russian 3 ай бұрын
The Russians cannot even capture the Donbas. Their army has been destroyed. It's now dragging migrants from the streets and forcing them into the army because they're so depleted. The migrants don't fight , they surrender at the first opportunity.
@independentthought3390
@independentthought3390 3 ай бұрын
​@@operator9858 In which way was he forced? Give us the specifics.
@user-oy5mm3pb2g
@user-oy5mm3pb2g 3 ай бұрын
Why are they afraid?? They pushed NATO into Russian lands and jettison peace treaties and now crying the moment Outin crushed their 8 years misadvensures in Ukraine. NATO us doomed just as the US us heading into the abyss. Live in the cobwebs of your deceits, bro.
@maggotman2024
@maggotman2024 3 ай бұрын
Always comforting that some remember the history of Europe in the 1930s. Many Americans tend to be clueless about what happened last week.
@peternolan4107
@peternolan4107 3 ай бұрын
Millions of Americans do not know what century our civil war was in.
@RedMustang-jw7ec
@RedMustang-jw7ec 3 ай бұрын
They dont even know where Germany is.
@Lucas-wn5wm
@Lucas-wn5wm 3 ай бұрын
The average american will not know untill Everyone is on them.
@jamesandrew1750
@jamesandrew1750 3 ай бұрын
I find it the opposite, it is all the history they teach in schools, what happened in the 1930's was the result of a hundred years of history, a unique combination of events that will never be repeated.
@Lucas-wn5wm
@Lucas-wn5wm 3 ай бұрын
@@jamesandrew1750 isnt it repeating already?
@user-qt1eo7dq8v
@user-qt1eo7dq8v 3 ай бұрын
We promised Ukraine to stand by it “as long as it takes…”We now know what that means: “as long as it takes for us to get bored.” Which is pretty quick…
@cockneycharm3970
@cockneycharm3970 3 ай бұрын
Don't think it's anything to do with 'boredom'. Not all countries can afford to keep giving money and supplies.
@straightreject2947
@straightreject2947 3 ай бұрын
​@cockneycharm3970 incorrect. Most countries can not afford to send people. Until it's too late. Then they'll have no choice.
@dalecrocker3213
@dalecrocker3213 3 ай бұрын
Well, the investment isn't paying off, what else is there to do?
@cockneycharm3970
@cockneycharm3970 3 ай бұрын
@@straightreject2947 The UK, and even the people of the US are suffering with petrol/food, etc going up. Our homeless, elderly, poor, and our Vets too. As for armies I don't think people want to join up. The UK seems to be struggling to get people to join the army.
@johndean1634
@johndean1634 3 ай бұрын
Who actually Promised. 600 MPs or the 67 Million People of the UK. Less than Half of a Percent of the UK making deccisions of 67 Million.
@nemeczek67
@nemeczek67 3 ай бұрын
In 1939, the British did not want" to die for Danzig". So a year later they were dying at Dunkirk and two years later they were taking shelter in the cellars of London. Macron seems to get it.
@josimpson7999
@josimpson7999 3 ай бұрын
@richardsanders4624. Spot on! And very well said.
@federicosantoro7100
@federicosantoro7100 3 ай бұрын
well said
@MrMielten
@MrMielten 3 ай бұрын
​@richardsanders4624.And the US did not play a major, leading role in winnig these battles??? What's wrong with you guys that you still really think you won most of these battles alone?
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 3 ай бұрын
@@MrMielten: The Battle of Britain and the Battle of El Alamein were won without US forces. The US Army began fighting in Operation Torch (the Allied invasion of Vichy French North Africa). The Battle of the Atlantic was won with US help, however the US Navy was mostly deployed in the Pacific, so the majority of warships in the Atlantic were British and Canadian. The US didn’t become the leading Allied military power in the European theatre until 1944.
@bigjobs5000
@bigjobs5000 3 ай бұрын
@@MrMielten 90% of Germany's capital ships (Battleships/Cruisers) - as well as most of Italy's biggest naval ships were sunk by the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force. In the Battle for Norway alone the Royal Navy sunk half of Germany's navy at that time (1940). It is also a known fact that Britain's very successful Aircraft Carrier/Swordfish attack on Italy's Taranto Harbour in November 1940 was so devastating to the Italian Navy (3 Battleships sunk and damaged) and admired so much by the Japanese Navy that they copied it for their attack on USA's Pearl Harbour one year later.
@railworker8058
@railworker8058 3 ай бұрын
You’re telling me my sons are going to die in combat in a war we can’t avoid?
@tomstulc9143
@tomstulc9143 3 ай бұрын
Yes and it's your fault because of your Antichrist wicked worldly way of living. That's the consequences of defying Christ the King.
@jodu626
@jodu626 3 ай бұрын
it can be avoided if ukraine stops them
@blythemajors9193
@blythemajors9193 3 ай бұрын
@@jodu626it can be avoided if we stop listening to these muppets.
@UpChuckTheBoogie
@UpChuckTheBoogie 3 ай бұрын
Russia will never attack NATO
@tomislavb5760
@tomislavb5760 3 ай бұрын
Head in the sand strategy.... works all the time. ​@@blythemajors9193
@SimDeck
@SimDeck 3 ай бұрын
While I harbor significant reservations about Trump and find his actions often bewildering, I acknowledge the importance of Europe and Britain assuming greater responsibility in matters of defense. It is undeniable that the United States has provided substantial support in the past; however, it is imperative for our future security that we invest appropriately and enhance our defense capabilities. Recognizing this necessity is straightforward, and our actions today will undoubtedly be scrutinized by history.
@natalieturko4808
@natalieturko4808 3 ай бұрын
Trump has a vendetta against Ukraine because Ukraine refused to lie and back up his false narrative on Hunter Biden. Also, Trump loves dictators, and can't say enough wonderful things about their regimes. I hope this solves your "bewilderment".
@silencemeviolateme6076
@silencemeviolateme6076 3 ай бұрын
The US will be able to provide intelligence and satellite/cyber abilities but they will be on the ground in East Asia. Europe has to take Russia. Most likely n korea will try something with South Korea and maybe Japan. Iran will attack Israel and probably Arabia.
@Scaleyback317
@Scaleyback317 3 ай бұрын
We should have seen the writing on the wall decades ago. Europe does need to take responsibility for its own defence and maybe just maybe the US could and should pull out of NATO and withdraw their forces from Europe. I doubt they will though as Europe is a happy hunting ground type market for the US for their goods and services and the investment opportunities which the US can exploit. Should their military go so should their marketplace and what do you think the chances then would be of the Orange cult leader waking up and smelling his own incontinence pads? US business would do the American version of a defenestration on him pretty tut suite. No America - you want to harvest Europe for the almighty dollar then you continue to contribute to the defence of the dollar orchards. Or don't and we'll see the consequences of that - and btw so will the US see the consequences of that too. Delighted to see Europe standing on its own two feet and announcing to the world at large the rules have changed and some of them may not like it.
@lucianboar3489
@lucianboar3489 3 ай бұрын
Americans won't allow it if they're smart. Why would they give up their profitable hold on Europe?
@sadesade9505
@sadesade9505 3 ай бұрын
Always appreciate Tim Marshall's point of view, always so well researched😊🎉
@Zummbot
@Zummbot 3 ай бұрын
You are too confident that Trump would not pull out of NATO. John Bolton has spoken about restraining Trump’s impulses to pull out during his first term. The entire Republican party is against supporting Ukraine (and by extension Europe) and Trump would not defy them if push came to shove. If Ukraine falls and Trump is re-elected, I think it is more likely than not that the US will not honor section 5 in the event that Russia attacks a NATO member, and Europe will have to go it alone.
@Joey-ct8bm
@Joey-ct8bm 3 ай бұрын
Trump will be impeached immediately or states will break off. You think a New York or California is gonna except a Trump presidency? States have already tried to get Trump of the ballot.
@rodmarker2071
@rodmarker2071 3 ай бұрын
I think that is preferable, We don't need Trump
@willc1294
@willc1294 3 ай бұрын
@@rodmarker2071as long as he doesn't have US actively help Russia against europe
@vegas1a
@vegas1a 3 ай бұрын
The entire Republican Party is NOT against Ukraine. Been 75 years a Repub, I will NOT be voting for my local extremist Rep. Nor my governor, nor one of my Senators (definite) and maybe not the other Senator. Also, if that is not enough, any local candidates that support The Don will not get my vote. Absolutely 100% NO for DJT......
@psotos
@psotos 3 ай бұрын
@@vegas1aMe too!
@chilldude30
@chilldude30 2 ай бұрын
Always enjoy hearing Tim. Great insights and fun to listen to
@ArjunGhag-ix7te
@ArjunGhag-ix7te 3 ай бұрын
Superb chat Tim. Shout louder & prevent hot ww3
@bryandimery6509
@bryandimery6509 3 ай бұрын
Maybe talking and working out security agreements and not marching weapons up to russia would do more than inane rants
@bobtheaccountant2534
@bobtheaccountant2534 3 ай бұрын
So you are saying without the US, Europe can’t protect themselves from Russia. That’s sad. I guess Europe didn’t learn a darned thing from WW2.
@TheEuropeanPrepper
@TheEuropeanPrepper 3 ай бұрын
Not tru only the illegal weapons .. you can have a weapon if you follow the correct procedure..
@Scaleyback317
@Scaleyback317 3 ай бұрын
And if the US votes the likes of Trump into power they will have learned nothing from the cold war of 1949-1991. Europe can and will defend itself and do so successfully. It would be so much easier with the US but Europe can do it alone if the USA reneges on its responsibilties or pulls out of NATO before hostilities begin.
@GaryGraham-sx4pm
@GaryGraham-sx4pm 3 ай бұрын
'Europe can't protect themselves from Russia'. Seems likely that Europe is in for a couple of decades of jackboot autocracy. Unless ..
@lucianboar3489
@lucianboar3489 3 ай бұрын
It didn't, that's why NATO exists. Because the US won't trust Europe to not go off the rails again. It exists both to contain Russia and another rise of Germany. I think they're right, peace in a Europe left to its own devices is impossible, we're pathologically tribal.
@maciek_k.cichon
@maciek_k.cichon 3 ай бұрын
Kremlin attitude towards the Baltics and Eastern Europe in general is exactly why we need NATO. We want peace, not junk with the red star or crucked z on our streets.
@dalecrocker3213
@dalecrocker3213 3 ай бұрын
This is 2024 'not 1974. You are living in the past.
@micaiahm1
@micaiahm1 3 ай бұрын
Why didn’t Russia invade Estonia before they join NATO?
@maciek_k.cichon
@maciek_k.cichon 3 ай бұрын
@@dalecrocker3213 So Russian tanks in Ukraine are what? Ghosts of yesteryear's fears? 🤣
@drnosey
@drnosey 3 ай бұрын
It's Putin and all of his followers who are living in the past. Time to wake up
@Nicholas-db5sl
@Nicholas-db5sl 3 ай бұрын
@@micaiahm1it’s not the Bread Basket of Europe or indeed hold the reserves that Ukraine has.
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 2 ай бұрын
Great interview. Thank you
@JoeyBlogs007
@JoeyBlogs007 3 ай бұрын
Correct call.
@pp2021
@pp2021 3 ай бұрын
A very knowledgeable man who I have immense respect for. Excellent interview, thanks for this caliber of guest.
@aleaiactaest8354
@aleaiactaest8354 3 ай бұрын
Really? Color me sceptical...
@DacianRider
@DacianRider 3 ай бұрын
Abandon Eastern Europe at your own peril....
@Travis_22
@Travis_22 3 ай бұрын
Yup. Truth.
@RayDaly-sm9wv
@RayDaly-sm9wv 3 ай бұрын
@@Travis_22 Europeans won't abandon it
@anyaharris5617
@anyaharris5617 3 ай бұрын
​@RayDaly-sm9wv That's right, they won't. Because they know Putin will not stop at Eastern Europe...
@markobucevic8991
@markobucevic8991 3 ай бұрын
​@@anyaharris5617got any proof for that?
@Litheon11
@Litheon11 3 ай бұрын
​@markobucevic8991 Georgian war 91/93, south ossetian war 91/92, abkhazia war 92/93, transnistra war 92, tajikistani civil war 92/97, first Chechen war 94/96, dagestan war 99, second chechen war 99/09, Georgian war 08, Crimea Ukraine 2014-present. What more evidence do you need? Russia lies and threatens and lies some more. Nobody will trust Russia for generations.
@luminyam6145
@luminyam6145 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thank you. Yes this is the usual for Europe and it does feel like 1936.
@chotyrystorony
@chotyrystorony 2 ай бұрын
It's interesting to compare people who support Ukraine and those who don't. In the first case they are usually recognised scholars, analysts, experts, who have been studying international relations for years, just like Mr.Marshall. Under the second category usually fall the persons who hadn't even known where Ukraine is on the map before the war started, but they think that they understand better than anyone the situation in Ukraine and the best course of action for their country. The first example that comes to mind of such a person is M.T.Green. I think for any person with at least some amount of critical thinking it must be obvious, that Ukraine's ability to defend itself is within the utmost national interests of the West
@jimthornton2898
@jimthornton2898 3 ай бұрын
Was in the RAF with Tim Marshall. On my shift at Rheindalen 78/79.
@johnvaleanbaily246
@johnvaleanbaily246 3 ай бұрын
Which is why the west should support Ukraine to the fullest, now.
@robertatkins9419
@robertatkins9419 3 ай бұрын
But then the question becomes what it really is to 'support Ukraine'. Is it, for example, arming them so that another hundred or so thousand can die on top of the number of Ukrainians lost already? Or is it supporting and facilitating them to try to negotiate the best terms they can to ensure that Ukraine remains as much an independent integral state as possible?
@rikkidykes1770
@rikkidykes1770 3 ай бұрын
No it should not, Ukraine has already lost, there is no coming back. The best way forward is to negotiate peace.
@danielbailey5849
@danielbailey5849 3 ай бұрын
The question when it is time Ukraine start playing for things, when it time pay own ammunition, you wanted west support Ukraine but who going pay for that ,
@danielbailey5849
@danielbailey5849 3 ай бұрын
So when do you think Ukraine people stop stealing money and military equipment then
@aerial558
@aerial558 3 ай бұрын
What’s happened with US support? Or have they decided it’s not worth it anymore.😊
@GFWFight
@GFWFight 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant guest. Please invite him on again, maybe for a longer session next time 😊
@crownvap6340
@crownvap6340 3 ай бұрын
It's a spoiled child's logic - "if i don't get this icecream now, i will drop on the floor and the world will end!" No, child. You will just have to learn that the world does not revolve around you.
@mike1117777
@mike1117777 3 ай бұрын
I always love Tim Marshall
@marisabenson1222
@marisabenson1222 3 ай бұрын
Correct
@happykarmaman34
@happykarmaman34 3 ай бұрын
I've just watched Rick on the Running Channel podcast full of joy and laughing away with friends.. I now click on this and he's talking about a possible war...!?!?!?!
@longestvideoever
@longestvideoever 3 ай бұрын
I hate this warmonger talk. Its like they rather send nato troops rather than send weapons Ukraine needs
@nellyfootlong
@nellyfootlong Ай бұрын
Love your books TM
@lucdevries8732
@lucdevries8732 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps time to start peace negotiations first?
@user-fk8rb8ue5h
@user-fk8rb8ue5h 3 ай бұрын
2014 and the invasion of Crimea was the 1936. We are now in 1939
@Tony-ci7ys
@Tony-ci7ys 3 ай бұрын
DONT'S SAY THIS.
@DeanFWilson
@DeanFWilson 3 ай бұрын
100%
@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraine
@Britain_Stands_With_Ukraine 3 ай бұрын
Calm down drama queen. Putin useless army cannot even take the Donbas.
@StPiter111
@StPiter111 3 ай бұрын
But Russia's against you this time, and Romania, Greece and Italy are on your side now😅😅😅😅
@bryandimery6509
@bryandimery6509 3 ай бұрын
Only morons need to compare today to the past. If you cant get your point across its notthat valid
@RonaldDean-sp6jl
@RonaldDean-sp6jl 3 ай бұрын
Good podcast 😊
@mindbanx
@mindbanx 3 ай бұрын
Thoughts manifest …
@leninha5549
@leninha5549 3 ай бұрын
So why is it taking so long to welcome Ukraine finally into the NATO.. !!!!absurd how this all is going still.
@nomdeplume881
@nomdeplume881 3 ай бұрын
A country cannot join Nato if it's a) at war; b) if it doesn't control all of it's internationally-recognised territory. On the latter point, that's why Russia has fostered seperatist movements in Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia.
@dalecrocker3213
@dalecrocker3213 3 ай бұрын
So you really want World War III, do you?
@ukspizzaman
@ukspizzaman 3 ай бұрын
That would mean that we are already at war with Russia. A whole different situation. One that none of us will survive. We know it, Russia knows it. We are at the edge of really bad things, but we have not yet crossed it. None of us want to die. That is what keeps us all alive, for the moment.
@nerowulfee9210
@nerowulfee9210 3 ай бұрын
@@nomdeplume881 West Germany joined just fine.
@mdiesel23
@mdiesel23 3 ай бұрын
​@nerowulfee9210 how long ago was this and how close is NATO, an "anti- Soviet" organization close to Russian border? The Soviet Union is long gone, so why does NATO still exist? Russia actually tried to join NATO in the past and was rejected. So what's the message? You got to be a fool to not understand why Russia can't have a NATO country right along its borders. It's a geo-strategic land mass Russians can't give up because Ukraine and Belarus are buffer countries.
@Bobby-fj8mk
@Bobby-fj8mk 3 ай бұрын
Sound volume is low again. Increase by at least 12dB.
@JoeyBlogs007
@JoeyBlogs007 3 ай бұрын
If Ukraine falls, then they become military servant to Russia. A battle hardened capable servant and at that point, an adversary to the EU and NATO.
@Everyonehasanopinion
@Everyonehasanopinion 3 ай бұрын
Ukrainians will never become military servants of Russia. If they were to lose the present conflict they will make sure that the territory isn’t ever safe for Russian occupiers; they won’t suddenly flip.
@natalieturko4808
@natalieturko4808 3 ай бұрын
They won't. They will likely turn on the Russians.
@louisaparker
@louisaparker 3 ай бұрын
You think the battle hardened Ukraine military men would all start to serve Russia? I'm not so sure about that.
@Joey-ct8bm
@Joey-ct8bm 3 ай бұрын
Nobody would live in Ukraine anymore. They would flee to the rest of Europe.
@roguestorm7rooper451
@roguestorm7rooper451 3 ай бұрын
@@louisaparker Is already happening in the occupied territories of Ukraine. If you don't go to war with the Russian army, they will imprison you or worse.
@niklaswikholm514
@niklaswikholm514 3 ай бұрын
Trump can do anything, nobody knows...
@GaryGraham-sx4pm
@GaryGraham-sx4pm 3 ай бұрын
trump has an ego, nothing else. unfortunately americans will vote for an ego.
@ThomasBusby
@ThomasBusby 3 ай бұрын
Props for correct pronunciation of Tusk
@jwadaow
@jwadaow 3 ай бұрын
The issue with supplying the Ukrainian armed forces is not that there is "fatigue" the issue is that the stockpiles are exhausted. The USA does not share the view of the Europeans that their garden is the most important theatre for America's geopolotical interests and will husband what they have left for the Asia-Pacific.
@geraldtraynor
@geraldtraynor 3 ай бұрын
DTRH again on Rupert's Radio!
@WIBBS75
@WIBBS75 2 ай бұрын
If, ifs and butts were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas all year long.
@fredo1070
@fredo1070 3 ай бұрын
These events are more like 1914, politicians talking themselves into a war in which ordinary people will pay the cost.
@JustTakeAMoment
@JustTakeAMoment 3 ай бұрын
NATO not going anywhere, interviewee loses all credibility at this point. Trump would stay in NATO, it's in the US interests to do so. However, he would be clear about everyone needing to contribute the right GDP% to defence. Countries that weren't contributing enough have been increasing their own spending on defence. There's more work to be done but it needs to happen. He's just admitted that the Baltic states pay more than their fair share so defended they will be.
@TM-zj1xt
@TM-zj1xt 2 ай бұрын
Does anyone know how to reach Tim Marshall? I’d like to invite him to my school -in London-to speak. Thx!!
@theveryfirst
@theveryfirst 3 ай бұрын
Trump would be a disaster. He already is.
@StPiter111
@StPiter111 3 ай бұрын
We like Joe the Mummy here, in Russia too. He made Russia great again 😁
@tellyboy17
@tellyboy17 3 ай бұрын
Putin wouldn't even have invaded Ukraine with an unpredictable lose cannon like Trump in charge. Coward Biden was the ticket he needed.
@andrewst9797
@andrewst9797 3 ай бұрын
He is a challenge. We need a challenge in the West!
@Marco-te9ns
@Marco-te9ns 3 ай бұрын
​@@andrewst9797I think the west have enough challenges
@andrewst9797
@andrewst9797 3 ай бұрын
@@Marco-te9ns Constructive challenges. Not the green/left/muslim alliance challenging modernity
@ShaunStruwig
@ShaunStruwig 3 ай бұрын
I get the impression that half the "experts" interviewed by TimesRadio are a bunch of people who've read a lot of books and formed some opinions from them and now think that makes them experts.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 ай бұрын
Russia wont wait 2 more years to make his point. Thats the scarey part.
@georgerice4207
@georgerice4207 3 ай бұрын
Putin also said he would not invade Ukraine
@mcslifestyle
@mcslifestyle 3 ай бұрын
Putin also said that he would never attack Ukraine
@fluffyusa
@fluffyusa 3 ай бұрын
The USA also said we wont move our NATO bases eastward. Did the CIA take part in overthrow of Kiev? Nordstream? Bio Labs in Ukraine? Did the US/UK govt stop the Ukrainians about a year ago in Turkey for peace talks with the Russians? Did Angela Merkel say that the Minsk Agreements was a stalling tactic for NATO to build up the Ukrainian Army to fight Russia.
@LA-kc7ev
@LA-kc7ev 2 ай бұрын
I don't ever hear the UK or EU going after those countries that continue to pay well below the 2% level, such as Spain at 1.4%. If they don't do it, they should.
@andrewst9797
@andrewst9797 3 ай бұрын
This man is convincing.
@JonDow-ow2fc
@JonDow-ow2fc 3 ай бұрын
he has had constipation for a while you can see the backed up brown logs making him sweat 😰 in the vid 😢
@chadlineage
@chadlineage 3 ай бұрын
this is quite confusing in other interviews they say nato is not ready for war with Russia but here they say russia is “vastly inferior in military aspect vs NATO”
@ozyrob1
@ozyrob1 3 ай бұрын
Putin had no plans to invade Ukraine either.
@tomstulc9143
@tomstulc9143 3 ай бұрын
Yes I'm a historian. This absolutely parallels the summer of 1914 an the summer of 1939. It's going to be in the fan before this fall. 2022 was the 1936 of our era.
@pauljames6721
@pauljames6721 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant, thanks for making everyone anxious
@michaelreynolds2508
@michaelreynolds2508 3 ай бұрын
Anyone who has studied the diplomatic history of the inter war years 1919-1939 would appreciate the dangers of appeasement, and disarmament which encouraged the dictators and weakened the democracies. One of my late colleagues was a former Polish diplomat attached to the Polish embassy in Berlin before 1939. I have no doubt whatsoever that Tusk’s warning is reminiscent of a former Under Secretary of State Vansittart at the end of 1936.
@johnmccaffrey5942
@johnmccaffrey5942 3 ай бұрын
I don’t get your point of view. In 1939 the Germans were expanding towards the Soviet Union. Now it’s NATO who are attempting to expand towards Russia. If Ukraine remained neutral this war wouldn’t have happened.
@Blanka1100
@Blanka1100 3 ай бұрын
@@johnmccaffrey5942 Nato does not expand by force. Countries apply to join in order to be secured because they know Russia has never been a friendly neighbour. It is like blaming a victim for calling the police because she did not want to be hurt anymore.
@johnmccaffrey5942
@johnmccaffrey5942 3 ай бұрын
@@Blanka1100 NATO does not expand by force. Are you serious. Just ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia,Libya, Syria, the blowing up of Noordstream. They even toppled the democratically elected Ukrainian govt in Kiev on 2014.
@Blanka1100
@Blanka1100 3 ай бұрын
@@johnmccaffrey5942 Nobody forced my country to join Nato.We asked for it because we were tired of Russia's aggression. We knew Russia would never change for better and we were right. Nato does not annex. I am not sorry for Milosevic or Assad. Yanukovich was voted out by Ukrainian parlament, he lost support of his own party and run to Moscow where he belongs to. He refursed to sign deal with EU, he hurt protesters.
@johnmccaffrey5942
@johnmccaffrey5942 3 ай бұрын
@@Blanka1100 sorry Yanokovich not voted out by Ukrainian parliament. Complete myth. Parliament voted but couldn’t get majority. Putsch NATO backed parliamentarians went ahead with the vote anyway declared themselves winner - without majority. Then UK foreign secretary William Hague in an attempt to cover UK tracks for support of a Putsch parroted the line Ukrainian parliament voted by majority for new government. Was put under pressure by UK journalist Peter Hitchens to back this up. Couldn’t do it then backed down.
@stevencharnock9271
@stevencharnock9271 3 ай бұрын
History ism a point in time that fits your point of view. Tusk looks at it from the Polish point in history
@rapture1949
@rapture1949 3 ай бұрын
NATO... very spoiled people 😂 weakness 😢
@bec5250
@bec5250 3 ай бұрын
Russia....very small man. Very small parts.
@CakesWarden
@CakesWarden 3 ай бұрын
Much like Ukraine, Poland is very aware of the kind of threat that Russia is. We need to listen. A message for my fellow Americans who want to be isolationist: we tried this approach and STILL got dragged into 2 world wars. Now that nuclear weapons are a factor, we CANNOT afford to make the same mistake again.
@imrobertgrayson
@imrobertgrayson 3 ай бұрын
1. One member of the Duma submitting a draft bill to parliament does not make it the view or the policy of the government. 2. Look at the impact of the end of the Soviet Union on Russian society in the 1990s, then you'll understand why Putin described it as a catastrophe. If you want to know what Putin thinks of the Soviet Union, consider his famous quote that: ‘anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.’ 3. Tim's argument seems to be that war between Russia and a NATO country is only likely if NATO ceases to exist, which as he concedes is not going to happen. By his own logic, whether Ukraine 'wins' this war or not has no bearing on the likelihood of Russia invading a NATO country. It's in Ukraine best interests to negotiate a settlment to end this conflict as soon as possible. Ukraine is never going to win this war, even if it got all the support it asked for. Delaying reaching a settlment is only going to cost Ukraine more land and more lives.
@swojnowski8214
@swojnowski8214 3 ай бұрын
there is no settlement Ukraine can accept, so there will be none.
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 3 ай бұрын
What if Trump gets to be President and pulls the USA out of NATO? NATO without the US would be extremely weak, and Putin would almost certainly test their commitment to Article 5 by invading the Baltic States on a pretext, in the expectation that Article 5 is just a bluff, and that in practice the Western NATO countries would make any excuse to get out of fulfilling their obligations.
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 3 ай бұрын
@@swojnowski8214: South Korea didn’t want to accept the armistice that ended the Korean War (because it meant that Korea would be divided forever) - but eventually the US forced it to accept.
@swojnowski8214
@swojnowski8214 3 ай бұрын
i do mot believe Russia is willing to negotiate, it is all or nothing now. Either they take Kiev or be beaten. I really see no other way out of this quagmire both for the US and Putin.
@markbryant4641
@markbryant4641 3 ай бұрын
Excellent comment, Stephen. I'd like to add that Russia is leaving Europe. Just after the invasion Putin gave a speech and clearly said so. Russia is through with the west and is turning it's back on Europe for the foreseeable future. These words have and are being proven every day. Russia has worked tirelessly and remarkably successfully to create relationships with non western countries that will replace Europe. Take care. Mark.
@TalkingPoint773
@TalkingPoint773 3 ай бұрын
Why do they always compare to the past? Things change its never the same
@michaeljackson5914
@michaeljackson5914 3 ай бұрын
Human nature never changes
@TalkingPoint773
@TalkingPoint773 3 ай бұрын
@@michaeljackson5914 Situations change though, they are never the sane
@user-wn3cm6jf8e
@user-wn3cm6jf8e 3 ай бұрын
Claptrap!!
@daniellucena9694
@daniellucena9694 3 ай бұрын
It's so obvious is meant to happen...
@georgeholmer8563
@georgeholmer8563 3 ай бұрын
When Putin says that he has no plans to invade a Nato country, then one needs to understand that he means that literally. He does not see the three Baltic states as countries so invading anyone of them would not break his promise. Let's say that Russia invaded Lithuania and took Vilnius, a few hours from the Russian border, and then said "okay, let's talk". Would the US come to the rescue? I am not so sure and then there is no Nato left.
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
He said the same thing about Ukraine and what happened buddy….
@georgeholmer8563
@georgeholmer8563 3 ай бұрын
@@Evahicks830 He invaded because he does not see Ukraine as a separate country. What is your point?
@Blanka1100
@Blanka1100 3 ай бұрын
@@georgeholmer8563 He could invade non Nato Ukraine only.
@georgeholmer8563
@georgeholmer8563 3 ай бұрын
@@Blanka1100 If that is what you think, you're very naive. He'll invade a Nato country if he thinks he'll ge away with it.
@Blanka1100
@Blanka1100 3 ай бұрын
@@georgeholmer8563 He thought he could overrun Urraine in 3 days. He wants Ukraine. Nato is an excuse.It is all about Putin's legacy. He has always wanted Ukraine back and he blames Russia's neighbour for their will to be secured by Nato. It is bully's logic.
@blaircalvin5025
@blaircalvin5025 3 ай бұрын
If the Russians rupture the thin Ukrainian defensive lines it will be very difficult for the Ukrainians to prevent a rolling up of their lines.
@user-od1pe2ip2n
@user-od1pe2ip2n 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@bengaltiger1289
@bengaltiger1289 2 ай бұрын
I hope NATO and Russia negotiate even though I can't see a chance I do hope I'm proven wrong.
@Starchild670
@Starchild670 3 ай бұрын
I thought Putin already lost?
@independentthought3390
@independentthought3390 3 ай бұрын
Putin, no. But Russians, they lost a while back.
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 3 ай бұрын
@@independentthought3390: Yes. Russian democracy is dead. The Duma is nothing more than Putin’s rubber stamp now. Putin could even change the Russian tricolour for the Soviet Red Banner if he wanted to, at any time, and the Russian people would mutely accept it.
@markbryant4641
@markbryant4641 3 ай бұрын
Yep. Biden, Kirby, Blinken and now Sullivan. They've told us in no uncertain terms that Russia has already lost. There's nothing to worry about. It was over more than six months ago.
@sonofsomerset1695
@sonofsomerset1695 3 ай бұрын
The Times completely wrong as usual.
@georgegalileo
@georgegalileo 3 ай бұрын
In 1936, Soviets and Fascist were actively involved in the Spanish Civil War.
@treacyco
@treacyco 3 ай бұрын
This 'expert' is wrong on just about everything
@TonkarzOfSolSystem
@TonkarzOfSolSystem 3 ай бұрын
Trump didn’t demand NATO members pay 2% - he said he won’t come to their aid if they don’t pay “enough”. He didn’t specify how much “enough” is. Trump’s goal is to weaken NATO all his unhinged behaviour makes sense if you suppose that is one of his goals.
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
It’s 2%
@talesofcanterbury42
@talesofcanterbury42 3 ай бұрын
Terrifyingly prescient, thank you for sharing, I think. .
@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854
@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854 3 ай бұрын
Chechen, Georgia, Dagestan, Aghanistan(failed) now Ukraine, it will not stop by words, deplomacy never existed in Russia.
@markbryant4641
@markbryant4641 3 ай бұрын
Yes it did. And it still does.
@rickschromehd
@rickschromehd 3 ай бұрын
NATO poked the Bear, they had an agreement not to move east 1 inch when the Berlin Wall fell, that area was consider a buffer zone!
@benghiskahn3673
@benghiskahn3673 3 ай бұрын
Show us the document within which this agreement is contained and signed.
@rosstocher
@rosstocher 3 ай бұрын
It will have to be nuclear as Russia is incapable of preforming on battlefield. Russia is a male peacock without the feathers, just a turkey on long legs
@mhlangamlungisi5108
@mhlangamlungisi5108 3 ай бұрын
Nato has ran out of weapons and ammunition. What will they fight Russia with.
@markbryant4641
@markbryant4641 3 ай бұрын
I don't see it that way at all, Ross. Russia is winning. They're single handedly defeating an army that is trained, armed, paid for, supported in every way by the entire western world. If you do a bit of reading about Russia's military strategies it's very plain to see how they're going about the war. I presume you think they're unimpressive because the war wasn't over in three days and the frontline doesn't move? It's not how they do things. Ukraine didn't stand a chance. Russia will crush the country. They'll slowly keep applying more and more pressure. It's a totally different approach to western military philosophy. We try to quickly knock out the enemy at the beginning of a war then clean up what's left. Russia grinds at the enemy from the start. Slowly. They never let up. As the war progresses and the enemy gets weaker and weaker Russia applies more pressure all the time. When Ukraine breaks and surrenders Russia will be at the strongest they've been throughout the war and the violence and brutality against Ukraine will be at its highest point.
@TriBandah
@TriBandah 3 ай бұрын
Russia has moved almost all its markets into Asia in the last year, its economy and industry is looking more robust than ever... what use does it have invading European countries?? Looks likeits the girlfriend that decided to breakup, and now the old boyfriend is losing its marbles, while she goes on living her new life with a better, more appreciative partner.
@benghiskahn3673
@benghiskahn3673 3 ай бұрын
This is simply incorrect. Russia's markets? The Russian economy is NOT in a good way. It is being held up by extremely desperate accounting, huge intervention from BoR and Government extreme Government capital controls. They sell unrefined oil and gas. Thats it. They are selling only to China and India, neither of whom are buying in Rubles. The loss of the EU consumer market is a HUGE loss to the Russian economy and cannot be replaced by India or China.
@jjsmallpiece9234
@jjsmallpiece9234 3 ай бұрын
Trump can't pull the US out of NATO without the agreement of Congress
@larsgreen4292
@larsgreen4292 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand who are we in war with russia? i mean seriously why? anyone can explain... just sign the minsk agreement and that it it's what he asked for
@norcatch
@norcatch 3 ай бұрын
What's probably making Putin really scared is NATO could respond to Russian use of tactical nukes with conventional weapons to great effect.
@sezwo5774
@sezwo5774 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps, but conventional cannot match nuclear. What the warmongering gurus are not saying is that Russia purposefully reduced its conventional forces in late 90s early 2000s and relies on nuclear forces. All guru analysis miss the fact and rely on belief that Putin will not use atomic weapons. Once he uses them warmongering Western talk will be uncovered as utter nonsense and the warmongering World will be forced to consider peace. It will all become clear and very fast after nukes are used. Idiots will be prevented from accesing media in the West with their nonsensical warmongering and serious negotiations securing peace will start immediately.
@johnhume4346
@johnhume4346 3 ай бұрын
Did you see the last Trident test?
@SUN77717
@SUN77717 3 ай бұрын
Nothing scares Putin. Do you remember when in modern history someone achieved their goals from Russia with the help of force? Never and no one...
@chrismartin5662
@chrismartin5662 3 ай бұрын
i live in New Zealand and in anticipation of Russia winning i've already put my toilet outside and started learning how to speak Chinese
@Joey-ct8bm
@Joey-ct8bm 3 ай бұрын
Could be worse. Iran, Afghanistan or North Korea could be the new overlord. Sharia law in New Zealand.
@bryandimery6509
@bryandimery6509 3 ай бұрын
From the covid karens who run new zealand, its not like life could get any worse for you lot
@anacarolinabarenboim7019
@anacarolinabarenboim7019 3 ай бұрын
😬
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 3 ай бұрын
@@StPiter111: That’s what the Japanese thought back in early 1942. Didn’t work out that way.
@andrewst9797
@andrewst9797 3 ай бұрын
At least Jacinda whatsit is gone!
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
I don’t why everyone is worried about America pulling out of NATO how about you pay the 2% and you don’t have to worry anymore 😂
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
America has its own problems that it needs to take care of we can’t keep being y’all’s piggy banks and yalls parents😂
@railworker8058
@railworker8058 3 ай бұрын
Is WW3 going to be conventional, nuclear, or both?
@redbaronlast
@redbaronlast 3 ай бұрын
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” - Albert Einstein
@stevefrompolaca2403
@stevefrompolaca2403 3 ай бұрын
'vastly' out classed by Nato? Situation in Ukr. would suggest otherwise.
@jamesmcdonald8534
@jamesmcdonald8534 3 ай бұрын
All the more reason why NATO should up the ante in defense of Ukraine. Stop dillydallying....
@meme3395
@meme3395 3 ай бұрын
Did you write this message from the frontline or are you still dillydallying?
@railworker8058
@railworker8058 3 ай бұрын
Why do you keep deleting my posts? They’re honest and objective.
@alexanderlazarev3570
@alexanderlazarev3570 3 ай бұрын
Me too, it's the usual practice on TR dealing with opponents.
@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235
@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235 3 ай бұрын
Ha ha, read my nickname. It's youtube who does it
@user-od1pe2ip2n
@user-od1pe2ip2n 3 ай бұрын
Hurra 🇷🇺🇷🇺💪
@andrewthomas695
@andrewthomas695 3 ай бұрын
Maybe AI taking over might not be a bad thing. When you look to our modern leaders, one wonders if the word 'leader' has become redundant.
@user-ek3sf9cm8s
@user-ek3sf9cm8s 3 ай бұрын
Poland is not "Eastern Europe" Poland is Central Europe, look at the maps.
@GTSteriadis-me2tg
@GTSteriadis-me2tg 3 ай бұрын
It was in 1936 that Kiev became the capital of the Ukrainian S.S.R.; before that it was Kharkov.
@vladddtfan
@vladddtfan 3 ай бұрын
Withholding weapons from Ukraine, while US is bursting at the seams with Cold War stockpiles, which it is disposing of, is absurd and wrong. Third year into the war, the EU is refusing to start producing weapons to supply Ukraine. Russia is starting to win at the front as a result. What are you guys thinking?
@chrismontens9353
@chrismontens9353 3 ай бұрын
You guys do realise the sun set on the empire yeah?
@Travis_22
@Travis_22 3 ай бұрын
The Russian empire? 1917
@DarrenJamiesonJamieson
@DarrenJamiesonJamieson 3 ай бұрын
What was that when we destroyed all the other empires in WW1 & II? The British Empire is in fine fettle these days which you are unable to deny 😂 Living in denial: Believing that rules are taxable.
@wlhjr77
@wlhjr77 3 ай бұрын
which empire? russia?
@chrismontens9353
@chrismontens9353 3 ай бұрын
​@@Travis_22i was refering to the British Empire, beste vriend. The +- 70k land force and dozen frigates might scare Luxemburg, that's about it😅
@Anti_Putin_Russian
@Anti_Putin_Russian 3 ай бұрын
The Sun never rose on the Russian empire.
@7mmScout
@7mmScout 3 ай бұрын
Not lose America? But will they try very hard? Will they block supply of weapons for example?
@luckyea7
@luckyea7 Ай бұрын
“You can be friends with Russia - it is generous, you can cooperate with Russia - it is honest, you can ask from Russia - it is generous, Russia can be deceived - it is gullible. But you can’t fight with Russia - it’s invincible”!!! (A.V. Suvorov)
@MrRedguy09
@MrRedguy09 3 ай бұрын
Don't worry. It won't happen...
@davidpearson243
@davidpearson243 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Neville
@orzechowahistoria8906
@orzechowahistoria8906 3 ай бұрын
How come it wont? Explain
@StPiter111
@StPiter111 3 ай бұрын
Or, perhaps, NATO should leave Russia alone😅 What do you mean, If Russia will defeat Ukraine?😅 It's done🤓
@TheEuropeanPrepper
@TheEuropeanPrepper 3 ай бұрын
Correct Russia has been disarmed China 🇨🇳 is the boss putin is nothing
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
Question how is nato messing with Russia???
@StPiter111
@StPiter111 3 ай бұрын
@@Evahicks830 Are you serious? Kiev was under full CIA and Mi6 control since an illegal nationalistic coup in Kiev in 2014 😅
@TheEuropeanPrepper
@TheEuropeanPrepper 3 ай бұрын
​@@StPiter111 ahh a putin fan boy ...
@StPiter111
@StPiter111 3 ай бұрын
@@TheEuropeanPrepper Thanks God we have no Bidens, Scholz, Boris or Macron in Kremlin 😅 We had enough weak leaders with Gorby and Yeltsin. Enough is enough indeed 🤓
@RoyalBlue292
@RoyalBlue292 3 ай бұрын
Times radio 😂
@GerManDique
@GerManDique 3 ай бұрын
So prevent that Ukraine is losing.
@Olleetheowl
@Olleetheowl 3 ай бұрын
Are you seriously talking about potentially “Trusting “ Trump?
@IMSiegfried
@IMSiegfried 3 ай бұрын
This is the first sensible comment I've seen.
@vanessali1365
@vanessali1365 3 ай бұрын
Sadly, many do
@Evahicks830
@Evahicks830 3 ай бұрын
Um yes just pay the 2% like we agreed on and you’ll be good how much more simple do you need it to be. Trump is a man of his word.
@user-iu5vc5ki8p
@user-iu5vc5ki8p 3 ай бұрын
Did I understand Tim Marshall correctly, he drew a parallel between Germany's involvement in the Spanish Civil War and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I see no parallel at all; the Russian invasion of Ukraine was prompted by the treatment by Ukraine of the Russian-speaking people in the Donbas and by NATO's unwillingness to stop expanding towards Russia, which was a serious security concern for the latter to put it mildly. Where is the parallel Mr Marshall is speaking of. Having experienced first hand Russo-phobia by a Pole to what extent is Donald Tusk fuelled by the same feelings? Correct me if I'm wrong but, unlike the West, Russian military engagements have tended to be much closer to home. The West, America in particular, wants its sphere of influence to be worldwide, a comparable aim has not been demonstrated by modern Russia to the best of my knowledge. As is the norm the causes of the Ukraine-Russian war was not mentioned in this interview for the simple reason that, based on the historical context, the West are entirely to blame for the conflict. Was Russian seen as a serious / existential military threat by the West before the events in Ukraine took place, I don't think so. According to Tim Marshal NATO is far stronger than Russia. The West has miscalculated, got itself into a position it never dreamed off, and now has to talk up war because it's messed-up big time. It chose to ignore another countries genuine security concerns and is paying the price.
@gregmellott5715
@gregmellott5715 3 ай бұрын
Rather than worrying about guns as being the problem. Humans are killed about as often with hammers, knives, and other such tools. (The coconut is illegal since you can't eat it without a big knife?) Perhaps there should be an initiative to have conflict resolution education classes for even kids. They seem to be the ones getting abused the most in their future by all the conflicts going on. If the UN would like to suggest standards, perhaps that might be well to listen to. And frankly, a fully top down system seems to me to be exactly what is stirring things the worst.
@guydreamr
@guydreamr 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, if a certain eastern polity is not halted in Ukraine, the price will be much, much higher later. Best regards, from the USA
@Marazmology
@Marazmology 3 ай бұрын
Politicised and mainstream news based predictions by Tim.
@alanversfeld7497
@alanversfeld7497 3 ай бұрын
wow thanks i would rather listen to extreme radical fake news by some one with IQ of a rat
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