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Precision Matthews TL-1660 Lathe Alignment Checks & Test Cuts

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Abom79

Abom79

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We do our first alignment inspection on the new Precision Matthews TL-1660 lathe. We'll check the tailstock alignment on offset and elevation and also check the headstock alignment as well. After our inspection we'll make some test cuts to see what kind of chip we can expect it to make for us.
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@jameskilpatrick7790
@jameskilpatrick7790 2 жыл бұрын
I bet Precision Matthews is loving this. They have a sterling reputation, but when Adam Booth tests out your lathe in his shop, his way, and says it's a winner, a LOT of people listen. Great stuff, and looking forward to lots more!
@bdkj3e
@bdkj3e 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I like it that he's happy it will just drive up the demand and make it that much longer before I'm able to get one lol, I was already leaning towards one of these over a Grizzly lathe.
@matthewperlman3356
@matthewperlman3356 2 жыл бұрын
I have had the smaller Precision Matthews 1440BV for 3.5 years now and over all i am very happy with the lathe and their service.
@nikhilbhale79
@nikhilbhale79 2 жыл бұрын
Is it a "FREE" publicity for Precision Matthew.
@rescobar8572
@rescobar8572 2 жыл бұрын
@@bdkj3e which Grizzly were you looking at?
@bdkj3e
@bdkj3e 2 жыл бұрын
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@StormyJoeseph
@StormyJoeseph 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ABOM! Excellent video. Darrel Holland from American Gun smithing has a great demonstration for belt driven lathes. He does everything from your demo, only on a Southend. Great videos for old south bends as well as J head Bridgeport's. He's the reason I fell in love with machining.
@industrialebikes4956
@industrialebikes4956 7 ай бұрын
This is the same machine that I have & have used as a *workhorse* for about 2 years. I am happy that I chose this machine. I am still paying it off!
@goose300183
@goose300183 2 жыл бұрын
That lathe sounds SWEET! You can definitely tell it's brand new and modern, got that reassuring quiet whine to it.
@rossamore1530
@rossamore1530 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a machinist, but I always feel educated by your videos Adam;which I greatly enjoy. You have a way of delivering your knowledge that engages the viewer. What gets me every time though, is your smile. It’s great to see the delight sharing your craft brings you, and from the comments, you bring joy to many others. Just a wonderful person; thanks for sharing.
@eastcoastwatch672
@eastcoastwatch672 2 жыл бұрын
You know that’s a quiet machine when you can hear the insert cutting the material, WOW 🤩
@Iamalizard
@Iamalizard 2 жыл бұрын
I am heating up some cutting oil in a Petri dish to have the smell of it while watching your video, imagine there's a whole barrel of the stuff. Really gets me in the mood...
@robertstout4764
@robertstout4764 2 жыл бұрын
My dad had a Hardinge TL tool room lathe made in 1947 in his tool and die shop.. As a kid in the early ‘70s I made some extra spending money doing small production runs on it.. I also used it whenever I needed a lathe for a project. He retired and closed the shop in the early ‘90’s. When it closed it I got the lathe and it’s been in my garage ever since (It has moved with me a couple times). I stopped using it in about 2000 when it started sounding rough but I have kept it in my garage. Recently I have wished I had access to a nice lathe for small projects again and decided to fix the Hardinge as when done I’d have a better tool then buying a cheap mini lathe. Information on the old Hardinge TL is hard to come by and your videos on setting up your new lathes are helping with knowing what I will need to do to get it set back up properly
@CrossesbyCharlie
@CrossesbyCharlie 2 жыл бұрын
a lot of these good starting checks come from. the extra care that you took when leveling the machine. that care taken will show in things like this.
@jeremydoblinger3609
@jeremydoblinger3609 2 жыл бұрын
Speaks to the company who set that machine up.. really nice seeing that 0-0 first shot and dam that machine sounds so great.. nice knowing you the only person to use it..
@CrimFerret
@CrimFerret 2 жыл бұрын
That amazingly good alignment from the factory.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice when you don't have to work on it before you use it!
@kevinreardon2558
@kevinreardon2558 2 жыл бұрын
I still like that generational picture at the end. Bot pa and grandpa would be proud.
@joshuateter2410
@joshuateter2410 2 жыл бұрын
Badass shop Abom! Let the fun begin! Congratulations on all the hard work paying off for the channel! Keep it up!
@jaredstreator3847
@jaredstreator3847 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, We switched everything over in our shop the QualiChem the last few years (X750) and have had no more issues with our water based going rancid on us. I would seriously recommend it. They will also fill up your new machines for free, I work in a large CNC shop that does alot of high end machining and I hate nothing more than rotten coolant. I would check them out. If you are ever in Utah give me a shout, you can come take a tour. We do more than alot of shops with our apprentice program and we love teaching the new up and coming generation of machinist, so I love watching how well you teach and explain. Thanks for the Content.
@wingnoit
@wingnoit 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for the words Matthews, test and cut to appear in a video title!
@donaldnaymon3270
@donaldnaymon3270 2 жыл бұрын
Lathe came set up well. Thank you for sharing how to check the alignments. Great video. Awesome machine.
@patrickcolahan7499
@patrickcolahan7499 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great lathe. Wish I had one. Makes mine look like a toy. Congrats Adam. Thanks very much for sharing.
@PG-ku9qd
@PG-ku9qd 2 жыл бұрын
Really happy for you, Adam. You have the means to build a new shop with all new tools. That's gotta be a great feeling. Can't wait to see some chips flying on all the new equipment!
@Tom_Losh
@Tom_Losh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honesty impressed with the alignment of that lathe "straight out of the box." Nice gear!
@jeffh1269
@jeffh1269 2 жыл бұрын
A machining video. No complaints from me.
@m3chanist
@m3chanist 2 жыл бұрын
The sound from that machine speaks volumes (yeah, all puns intended) Silky smooth.
@Narwaro
@Narwaro 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the series and Im really excited for the frequent videos, appreciate the evening entertainment.
@johncatt1867
@johncatt1867 2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing like the smell of Cutting Oil in the morning.
@berockization
@berockization 2 жыл бұрын
This week I received a Precision Matthews PM-935TV mill.... The spindle taper has NO runout I can measure with a new Compac tenths indicator. PM is doing it right. Great business model.
@Dreddip
@Dreddip 2 жыл бұрын
That looks like a good machine.
@jeremydoblinger3609
@jeremydoblinger3609 2 жыл бұрын
You dad and grandpa would be proud as hell brother! Such a nice machine
@mikescott4007
@mikescott4007 2 жыл бұрын
Adam you just raised the bar for your fellow KZfaqrs the amount of detail you can see because of the new shop new lighting new equipment it’s amazing it is just like being there graduations!
@bombardier3qtrlbpsi
@bombardier3qtrlbpsi 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job and thanks for sharing!👍 Shop is looking great.
@joehubler4965
@joehubler4965 2 жыл бұрын
I love new toys, use it well Adam!
@musicalBurr
@musicalBurr 2 жыл бұрын
Howdy Adam, just a quick video-production suggestion in case it's helpful to you. A quick google search showed me that you can get polarizing filters to attach to your go-pro camera. You can use them to knock out any reflections that you don't like (eg. on that dial indicator). It will reduce the amount of light into the camera by one stop, but it looks like you have oodles of light there, so shouldn't be a problem. Anyway, just a suggestion from a non-machinist long-time fan who enjoys watching you work and your thoughts etc. I hope this is helpful for those few times you want a specific camera-angle but a reflection is giving you a hard time! Kind Regards, James.
@floodo1
@floodo1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah polarizing filter should help
@KimbrellBrad
@KimbrellBrad 2 жыл бұрын
That machine is a gem! So nice having brand new quality equipment that is now verified. Can't wait to see what you are going to get into with all of this new equipment! Great stuff!
@PiCkUpdk
@PiCkUpdk 2 жыл бұрын
Abom, check the video around 21:33. When you disengage the feed, looks like the toolholder twisted a bit.
@beezul
@beezul 2 жыл бұрын
Good eye! Replayed the moment a couple of times at regular and 1/4 speed and yes, the toolpost jumps up a smidge.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 жыл бұрын
@@beezul I wondered if it was just the camera getting jolted when the feed was disengaged as it's mounted on the carriage, but if not, that's a *big* jump.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see you make that acme lead screw on this! :D
@cj599
@cj599 2 жыл бұрын
helps to measure after the work piece cools completely too
@Ddabig40mac
@Ddabig40mac 2 жыл бұрын
That lathe took very respectable cuts in stainless. Glad to see the time spent leveling the machine has already paid off in the alignment testing.
@Airtight215
@Airtight215 2 жыл бұрын
Really looks like you got a great lathe. Hats off to Precision Matthews and the manufacturers they work with to make it. Looks and sounds really good.
@AB_Tool
@AB_Tool 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to get my 12x36 I ordered from precisionmatthews. Really looking forward to it after seeing this and how yours preforms.
@junkmannoparts9696
@junkmannoparts9696 2 жыл бұрын
If you can spend the extra $$$ get the 1236T if you want the quality like the TL 1660 don't by a Chinese models if you can afford a Taiwan machine . I have a 1440 LB the single ph motor mad more noise than the headstock had to work on the tailstock. the LT's are the best then GT then T then the rest . talk to the guys at PM ask lots of questions . good luck .JM
@AB_Tool
@AB_Tool 2 жыл бұрын
@@junkmannoparts9696 I think the one I ordered will be fine. I'm not a machine shop just a hobbiest for now. It should be more than adequate for what I'm doing. If the motor makes to much noise I will swap it for a baldor USA motor.
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 2 жыл бұрын
@@AB_Tool The lathe you ordered will serve you well. Good size for a hobby shop. It will likely be large enough for anything you would want to turn. PM also has good customer service. Enjoy it.
@jamesworsham125
@jamesworsham125 2 жыл бұрын
Man, the quality of this camera makes it look like I’m right there. Great job once again.
@Dreddip
@Dreddip 2 жыл бұрын
I cant wait til he gets VR setup!
@tomwhite1823
@tomwhite1823 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid and I love your new lathe. A suggestion for that very small taper. There may be a VERY slight twist on the bed. You can try lifting the front adjuster foot at the tail stock end. That might get that .0002 out of you are concerned about it. Keep these awesome videos coming.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
A very good suggestion that should correct that tiny taper.
@hubbsllc
@hubbsllc 2 жыл бұрын
This was super interesting. Great close-ups.
@JohnCochranjohnc63825
@JohnCochranjohnc63825 2 жыл бұрын
i swear i could smell that oil smoke when you put it on there. nice lathe brother
@tylersantiago3500
@tylersantiago3500 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome Abom!!! You're following in your pops and grandpops footsteps, but in a 2022 type of way. Thank you for everything mann!!
@alp9532
@alp9532 2 жыл бұрын
Since these are the first chips made with this lathe you may consider collecting them and casting them in epoxy and put them on display above the lathe just like some businesses put their first dollar made
@Silver_Turtle
@Silver_Turtle 2 жыл бұрын
Al P -- A great idea! 🐢
@r3vo830
@r3vo830 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the first projects being made on the new machine.
@lapphan8926
@lapphan8926 2 жыл бұрын
Hi ! ADAM .your workshop is greatly .all things are cleansI love your workshops
@floodo1
@floodo1 2 жыл бұрын
ITS HAPPENING
@mohammedazaroual5925
@mohammedazaroual5925 2 жыл бұрын
Great thanks for you,we learn lot of things from your videos,
@nkelly.9
@nkelly.9 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome machine. It runs so smooth and quiet!
@robertgregilovich2229
@robertgregilovich2229 2 жыл бұрын
Nice and shiny new stuff👍
@1903A3shooter
@1903A3shooter 2 жыл бұрын
SOUNDS so smooth.
@GManBart
@GManBart 2 жыл бұрын
Love all the videos of the new PM TL-1660! I have two lathes now and had three others previously, but have decided I'm going to sell one and upgrade to something new when I retire in 3 years. The TL-1660 was on my radar, and I was leaning that way, but now I'm convinced it's the way to go.
@Ideasite
@Ideasite 2 жыл бұрын
It's really awesome to have watched your shop go from a lot to where you are today. Wish you all the best.
@claudew2899
@claudew2899 2 жыл бұрын
Another test I would do is to bore a piece of stock held in the chuck. About 2" dia. by about 4" long hole. Making sure the cutting tool is on center it should bore straight. If it does the center line of the headstock is inline with centerline of carriage and bed ways. I enjoy your channel. With my 35yrs machinist experience I would do some things different but the end result would be the same.
@pvtimberfaller
@pvtimberfaller 2 жыл бұрын
Normally they suggest you chuck a piece & turn it to see if the headstock is aligned with the ways, same idea, much easier to measure. It’s a modern lathe problem, an old south bend sits on the same ways as the tailstock, usually machined at the same time.
@btfou
@btfou 2 жыл бұрын
Love you cranking out the vids lately.
@jimmyboles3409
@jimmyboles3409 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like it’s going to be a pretty sweet lathe 👍 I’m really ready to see the American Pacemaker makes some chips the old school rigid cutting lathe, enjoyed the video 👍
@PeterWMeek
@PeterWMeek 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of giving the new shop its first whiff of sulphurated cutting oil. It's certainly what makes a shop smell like a shop to me.
@mikepayne5032
@mikepayne5032 2 жыл бұрын
It was good to see the lath making chips in the new shop
@swanvalleymachineshop
@swanvalleymachineshop 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one . 👍
@DownToNerd
@DownToNerd 2 жыл бұрын
Man, that lathe runs so damn smooth. Congrats on the first cuts here.
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 2 жыл бұрын
The new lathe appears to be a winner. Thanks for sharing Adam.
@andymaltby4518
@andymaltby4518 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job Adam, a great success!. I think you have convinced me to go Taiwanese - over here in the UK they seem to be branded as Ajax. Wishing you every success with the lathe!
@porkerthepig
@porkerthepig 2 жыл бұрын
I know some Ajax mills and accessories are actually made in Spain not sure about their lathes, but I have never heard anything bad about there machines
@johnchamberlain5435
@johnchamberlain5435 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, you make running a lathe or a mill look so easy. It's easy to forget that you are a third generation machinist with decades of experience. I really want to get some of my own machinery and start making chips, but my income level puts a single-family house with a garage out of reach for me. Perhaps some day...
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 2 жыл бұрын
That's very impressive metal removal Adam. I really like the machine!
@hasletjoe5984
@hasletjoe5984 2 жыл бұрын
Slide over to the Pacemaker, should be able to really move some material there. Great video!
@tonynagy2042
@tonynagy2042 2 жыл бұрын
The new machine shop is looking great Adam. I bet you're excited it's all coming together as planned. 💯👍. Cheers Blessings.
@williambikash6645
@williambikash6645 2 жыл бұрын
In the USA people discuss units of precision measurement. When dealing with surface plates we are talking 50 millionth of an inch,then ten thousands , then one thousands then one inch, then one foot, then the length of an American Football field ( 300 Ft, one hundred yards, or for you metric guys 91.44 meters) then light years. Sorry not going to figure a light year in meters. It's all we need. Measure away !
@davidmott2090
@davidmott2090 2 жыл бұрын
seems to behave like a fine machine. I've been looking at PM small lathes lately, these are promising results and will definitely influence my purchasing decision.
@OmeMachining
@OmeMachining 2 жыл бұрын
Looking good... very smooth and quiet running machine. 👍 Soon I will get a Microweily, also a Taiwanese machine, - and it's super smooth/quiet as well. Not a famous brand like many other. But still with great performance. 😊
@jwdickinson643
@jwdickinson643 2 жыл бұрын
congratulations again, Adam! your new shop is awesome!
@farmerkevin
@farmerkevin 2 жыл бұрын
That tool mounted camerawork is good, real good. Thanks!
@maxpuppy96
@maxpuppy96 2 жыл бұрын
That is nice precision lath.
@kodonosaki9273
@kodonosaki9273 2 жыл бұрын
You could mill a concave relief, on the lath compound tool post rest, inboard of the locking nuts, in order to be able to use the box end of a wrench, if you so desired.
@lkw6640
@lkw6640 2 жыл бұрын
You look like a proud father lol. Very nice machine Adam
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 Жыл бұрын
I had an oopsy on my 1440GT that threw the HS alignment out. I started swinging the headstock and its a bit like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer! I got it to within 7/10ths over 6 inches after a number of trys. I then put an 11 thou shim (razor blade) under one side at the tailstock end got it to within 1/10th. I would say this method is a much easier way once you have it reasonably close.
@nickrandol9133
@nickrandol9133 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, Adam.
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, thanks!
@jeremycable51
@jeremycable51 2 жыл бұрын
I’m excited Ik you got to be
@sibalogh
@sibalogh Жыл бұрын
I don`t know how much this machine cost but I envy you for it, Adam.
@industrialebikes4956
@industrialebikes4956 7 ай бұрын
Figure $20K.
@Improveng1
@Improveng1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one Adam, enjoyed the video. However, there are some observations/suggestions which you might consider. Firstly, do your headstock checks/adjustments first. Headstock to tailstock alignment is secondary to this and depends on the headstock being correct initially, it would be pointless aligning the tailstock to an out-of-line headstock. Secondly, use aluminium (aluminum) for your headstock test piece. The aim when carrying out this task, is to keep machining stresses, deflection, friction etc, to an absolute minimum, so a piece of circa 1.5 - 2 inch with a .010" cut would be good. The lathe looks and sounds, fantastic btw.
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 Жыл бұрын
My new 1440GT is apparently arriving early October. The out of the box alignment of the TL1660 is very encouraging.. Hopefully mine is as good, even if it only has a 2" headstock bore..:)
@mikeadrover8825
@mikeadrover8825 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@life.is.to.short1414
@life.is.to.short1414 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Never aligned a manual lathe yet.
@GEFanuc21t
@GEFanuc21t 2 жыл бұрын
Spindle sounds good.
@parissettle9443
@parissettle9443 2 жыл бұрын
Got to love that Cutting Oil smell in the morning '=)
@Dreddip
@Dreddip 2 жыл бұрын
🤤
@catfishgray3696
@catfishgray3696 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, SEE YOU NEXT TIME...
@paulhunt598
@paulhunt598 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, Order of operations is always important as your video demonstrates. 1. Inspect head stock taper and correct taper. 2. Inspect tailstock alignment and correct alignment error. Your demonstration reverses the order. Since it proved to be a successful and no adjustment inspection, order of operations is meaningless. If you had to or chose to make spindle taper corrections, tailstock inspection and correction would require a second inspection. Your Edge tools and fixtures are pretty fancy. I spent a career as a machinery maintenance technician and never invested in purchased inspection rings like these. We did have some shop built inspection toys. You could demonstrate the accuracy of the tailstock alignment fixture by inspecting the inspection surfaces for roundness, diameter size and runout from the centers. I have confidence that Edge out-of-the-box accuracy is excellent. I typically wouldn't have used a similar inspection rig. You can perform similar inspection by using the tailstock to drill a center in your taper test bar. Insert tailstock dead center and inspect test piece for runout with the center engaged and part defection engaging and removing the center. If all proves well with this inspection, you are good to go. If there is error, you can take the inspection deeper. I have set up quite a few manual lathes and I don't recall seeing any accuracy better than your Precision Mathews after only leveling the machine. Shipping alone is hard on manual machine stability. I found better performance on larger CNC machines that have more machine mass. In our shop, Maintenance techs seldom performed tailstock alignment correction (side to side). Our operators made their own adjustments since induced tailstock taper was common machining practice for long thin parts. You are on of the very best instructional machining channels on KZfaq. You do well on the technician side too. Maybe their might be a TINY market for a machining technician channel, but I bet that it wouldn't be very popular!
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS 2 жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@mfc4591
@mfc4591 2 жыл бұрын
Nice chips. Enjoy your precision lathe
@user-jh6qw1lr9y
@user-jh6qw1lr9y 2 жыл бұрын
Good morning from Greece. I am waiting to see test.....heavy test from pacemaker lathe. Best regards John Grizopoulos
@doctwiggenberry5324
@doctwiggenberry5324 2 жыл бұрын
great program, like watching you work.
@ilyafilru
@ilyafilru 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I love your new shop. I'm building a small workshop at my house. Maybe I'll get a lathe to play with. I've been following your channel for awhile. Keep up the good work!
@Poksutin
@Poksutin 2 жыл бұрын
so jealous of the lathe...fantastic little machine
@a.bakker64
@a.bakker64 2 жыл бұрын
Getting a feel for a new machine. Hoping I will, sometimes 😁. Nice vid Adam.
@matthewperlman3356
@matthewperlman3356 2 жыл бұрын
Looks good! If you ever do need to do that adjustment, those adjustment screws should be just above the bed on the back of the head (opposite the control levers)
@argee55
@argee55 2 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT!
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet!! Thanks for sharing! And a little dark oil cologne.
@summerforever6736
@summerforever6736 2 жыл бұрын
The machine museum looks great Congrats!
@greglaroche1753
@greglaroche1753 2 жыл бұрын
Cutting oil fragrance. Yeah!
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking at their website that Lathe is very impressive for the price !
@infoanorexic
@infoanorexic 2 жыл бұрын
With needing time to settle fully (including the floor/building), and heavy machinery being moved near, it might be a good idea to verify your leveling and make sure nothing has shifted in a significant way. If you are within a mile or two of the ocean, check when there is a really high/low tide. I talked to someone that had experience problems with ground shifting between high and low tides, he was a lot further north, but it won't hurt to rule the possibility out.
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