I think Predaplants suffer from Ice Barrier Syndrome, in other words they are better known for a few broken meta staples than they are for being an actual archetype.

Don't worry when Yuri is added to duel links he's gonna get a broken skill that lets you summon his ace and boss with ease :)

I wanna be in the timeline where Verte was archetype exclusive AS SHOULD BE

As someone who mains predaplants pure, this video is like the nail in my coffin. Truly the worst day for rain

Fun fact: Due to naming shenanigans… ⚫️In the OCG, “Goyo Predator” is technically part of the greater “Predap” archetype. Though this is largely irrelevant since not that many “Predap” cards, if any, can actually use that… ⚫️And in the TCG as well, there’s some overlap with the “Venom” archetype thanks to “Starving Venom Predapower Fusion Dragon”, though the most this accomplishes is that “Starving Venom Predapower Fusion Dragon” is safe from “Venom Swamp”’s effects.

They are failed cards until 3 of your monsters become the opponent's Predaplant Triphyoverutum

I love the Predaplant archetype, they're very fun to play and can be hell to deal with in the right hands. I've found that having a Gigaplant and a Lonefire Blossom really helps keeping everything together, at least for me.

Soon we'll get "failed cards, archetypes and mechanics: kashtira"

As someone who has to deal with predaplants on the regular, they are hell to deal with

Thank you for voicing my concerns as a gardener 🙏🏼 (I'm really a gardener IRL who happen to play Predaplant)

Man my predaplants dont deserve to be in the failed archetype series. I will never forgive you

I have a lot of respect for pure predaplant pilots. My friend makes this archetype look like an art form, and makes my life a living hell

Also, petition for Dinowrestlers. That archetype has one great monster, one decent Synchro, and two other halfway decent main deck monsters. That's it.

I'd never call predaplants a failed archetype. The deck isn't that bad by itself, and some of their cards are always in the meta

17:50 jesus christ that rant came out of the soul, Logs has always seemed unbiased in all of his videos but Verte Anaconda made them break character for the first time in forever

Konami really should not have made the Predaplant extra deck as generic as it was. Should've specified "Predaplant" monsters, rather than just "Dark monsters" or "2 effect monsters." Or just had some restrictions like locking them into Predaplant monsters or plant fusions for the rest of the turn. Makes them less abusable. Also buffing what the predator counters did. I think an added effect of dropping your opponents attack for every counter on that monster could possibly work making the whole mechanic of the predator counters more useful.

I will say I kinda get the whole „failed“ part seeing as the original Predaplants were pretty bad, but I feel like with the latest support it’s really become a fun rogue deck that can stand on its own and my god is it fun. The deck can go both first and second setting up multiple Dragostapelia‘s going first with searchable cards like Ultra-Polymerization, as well as OTK going second with Superpoly and Triphyoverutum. It’s kinda really funny to me that in 2023 most meta Decks still kinda lose to going second superpoly, especially with the DARK Kaiju. Predaplants are certainly jank, but they are my jank XD

Yet another Archtype that's not a failure at all and glad to see people in the comments actually agreeing on this time. But this now the 3rd one claimed to failed when it's not, it just seems he's classing any none big meta decks as failed which is dumb logic.

Yuri got the worst treatment out of the 4 yu-boys from arc-v.

bruh there is NO WAY Predaplants are on the same power level as War Rocks and Flamvells according to this series - Predaplants would completely dumpster every other single archetype mentioned in this series

I feel like the big problem with predator counters is not that they don’t do enough, is that there’s not a lot of good ways to produce them consistently

I think the reason predator counters were kinds useless on their own is cause they’re supposed to be like seeds and they only bloom (get advantage) when you use them for something hence why a lot of the archetypes seems to involve tributing your opponents predator counter monsters for your own benefit

If this was released earlier in the Preda's lifespan I'd agree. But now, they are a pain in a half to deal with. They have very effective ways to spread their effects out and just make them a menace. A decent rogue strat in my book.

17:07 I love how the sarcasm in the script here is a bit of a jab at the comments bound to echo that "some Predaplant cards were quite meta and therefore this archetype wasn't failed"

Funny story (And I think I've said it elsewhere) I actually at one point made a deck in Duel Links that combined Predaplants & Lightsworns. Because if a Cordyceps is milled I can say revive a Spinodionaea which can then put a Predator Counter on an opponent's monster. And use said monster plus Chlamydosundew to go into Chimerafflesia.

Guys we can’t let Yuri see this video no matter what otherwise he would card the TheDuelLogs

Okay, see, like, I actually don't think this was a failed archetype, and I don't even play Predaplants; for a lot of folks failed archetypes are decks that didn't even have a viable win condition, but Predaplants had multiple decent ones and were very playable. If the home for Super and Ultra Polymerization is considered playable, then I don't know what is. Failed archetypes shouldn't be ones that couldn't cut the rogue tier, because there's a lot of playable archetypes that won't cut it purely because of how high the ceiling is for the top strategies. Stuff like Dark Scorpions, Jurracs, and even stuff like Triamid, Digital Bug and Chemicritter.

Predplant is one of my favorite archetypes, it shares a spot in my heart along with the Rose Dragons, but sometimes it saddens me how this they are handled. To me, somethins worst than a bad card is one that had its potential limited. In archtypes like predaplant, in wich they have a bunch of interesting card effects that are to spread out among too many different cards. Like, if Banksiogre had hydras' inherent summon effect to be also summone from the gy while still having its counter spread, you coud possibly tribute two of your oppoenent monster, and since its still a tuner, you could go into synchro plays! Once i manage to Synchro Summon using banksiogre 3 times in the same turn with so much fuckery. Also this deck is only a disruptive against DARK filled deck. In my dreams they would retrains Starving Venom into monster that could, on a quick effect (hopt), equip 1 monster on wither field with a counter to it, gaining the atk and def of eaxh monster equipped to it, also being able to use their effects as if it had their name (restrictions to help avoid supreme king starving venom shenanigans). They could have an actual good fusion spell that let u use your opponents monsters with a counter as materials as if they were DARK Predapalnt monsters, also allowing to equip 1 predaplant monster from your deck or GY to the summoned fusion monster. Also konami instead of printing nem predap main deck monster, should just rework them! COBRA is a brick beacause is useles in your hand or Gy. If it let add a predap spell trap when it is summoned or a fusion/poly spell card when it is Special summoned by the effect os a predap card. The pendulum were good, but still underwhelming to me. In a perfect world, triantis would also have a pendulum effect to add a predap monster from your deck or face up ED. Bufo when used as fusion material should allow you to either take 1 predap monster from your face up ed or gy to either add to your hand or special summon it. That way you could start with scaling triants, add bufo, fusion ambulu, chain 1 you add with ambulo, chain 2 you special triantis with bufo, 3 you block the previous two with triants coubter placement effect. This way you get a material to tribute with ambulo's effect. Predaplants best fusion monsters (dragostapelia, predapower) require a fusion monster as materials, and predaps have no way yet to fusion with the Gy. (Btw if bufo had its fusion effect as quick effect if you oppoenent controls a monster with a predator counter it would be so fun 🥰) If they gave more use to the counter like "destroy all monster your oppoenet controls with a predator counter" or something it would be nice. If another predap fusion monster os starving venom had an affect that if a monster with their counter on it was removed from either field, you could special summon to your field 1 monster from either Gy. If they had a negation like Predapower fusion dragon, but that actually tributed the monster witha counter as a cost also was easier to summon i would be nick Sorry about the rating and dreaming. But i thinks we all have personal favorite cards that may not be the best, but we would like dream in fixing it.

Turns out generic material fusions work better in meta decks as a toolbox addition instead of a mediocre boss monster in its own archtype

Actually they aren't a complete failure they are a great engine and the fact they can search almost any fusion makes them a great asset.

I feel like predaplant and mecha phantom beasts had similar outcomes. Both had great extra deck options (draccosack, and auraradon) and a few helpful maindeck cards (olion and coltwing with honorable mention to deskbot 01) often used as small engines to further plays rather than being a deck themselves.

By the same logic, Galaxy/Photon is also a set/archetype of failed cards just because they cant deal with Floodgates and Backrow, just hoping to draw a Lightning Storm that resolves...

“Failed cards, archetypes, and mechanics” implies Konami wants every single deck released to be META. I think decks like this succeeded entirely in their intended plan, being tier ~3 rogue option that see a stent of competitive play, and people move on except for the few who love their underdog rogue “sometimes I beat the best decks” style.

17:42 I LOVE how the video suddenly turned into a sarcastic rant about Predaplant Verte Anaconda 😆

Come on mr. Logs, Predaplants aren't sooooooo bad 😭

Can you do fortune Fairy/Lady ??!?! I find the concept behind their mechanic soooo interesting and fun but they lack any proper support to actually accomplish the mechanic/gimmick they are trying to do

Free my boy Anaconda, he did nothing wrong!

For comment, I want to say sth about " is it predaplants a failedl cards/archetypes/Mechanics?" I would say, cards in predaplant archetypes not really a failed cards,due to a lot of engine and effective you can see. But for archetypes/mechanics to use in the deck that main predaplants? Yes it's failed as f: The things people often comment in this video:"Because it being used so it's not a failed...." But consider we judging the whole deck, whole archetypes. The deck becomes a good/ healthy rogue deck is fine for me, but if predaplants archetypes itself can't really use it's predaplants counter as the whole main purpose in that deck in both rogue and competitive play, and have to rely other or to become an egine just to work? I think i'ts failed archetypes/ mechanics in the way this deck tried to become a proper deck that doesn't rely on 1,2 op cards to become engine for other deck.

hate to be that kinda person but the level change is a property of the predator counters and even if there are no predaplants on field any monster with said counters will still be lv1

In the right hands, this deck is strong.

"Branded Beast" wasn't out yet when people played Predaplant in Branded, if I remember correctly

I find these videos a helpful resource for making decks. Not specifically for just Yu-Gi-Oh (I dont play Master Duel often) but for Magic too. I play commander and am known for some goofy themes in my decks so these help me get a grasp on what I will need to keep in mind when building my weird themes: *will this actually work outside perfect conditions?* Also gives me funny things to run in casual matches of Master Duel

Predaplant : Fusion focused, locked into fusion Konami : lets make fusion support link monster using its name

Awesome job on all that difficult pronunciation! I loved the sarcasm about Verte too 😂

Atleast compared to war rocks and Usartics this deck is super fun in casual games with friends

A competant person who builds Predaplants well can put the fear of god into a locals or even regionals. Dont underestimate them.

Konami: "We're releasing more cards for an archetype!" **Buffs other archetypes**

It's funny because I get the most wins in master duel when I use predaplants. I usually mix them with either Black Rose or Despia, but predaplanning with chlamyio is a very nice form of removal, and predaponics with bylisp or sac is wonderful recursion.

thank you thank you thank you! i love this deck and i appreciate you giving it support

This video was filled with such an unusual amount of emotions right from Mr. Logs-

I just think that poison snake archetype that puts counters on the enemy that give -500 attack is neat and should get more love. I even use it's field spell on my flip effect deck on duelinks.

Rest in piss Anaconda, you made my cyber dragons płayable for a short time

I love the Predaplant archetype I built the deck and it’s a really great archetype that focuses on Fusion summoning.

I do think many will look at the title and get the wrong idea. Predaplants have some great cards, but they have no real game plans aside unless their best members get splashed into other decks. The counter mechanic is near useless because it is to restrict your opponent in an era that has many powerful cards without levels.

One of the recurring themes I've seen in these videos is there a lot of archetypes that use specific counters that do nothing by themselves... and konami has proven that they dont know wtf they are doing when it comes to archtypes that use counters... why they have counters that do nothing on their own is beyond me.

Preda D-HERO let's GOO??? Vision too. Can we have all of these cards in Duel Links? They would be insane to see, and I want the pendulums for like all my decks! IDC about the effects beyond the scales and their stats. The effects are great on top! The cards synergize with how I have been playing insanely well.

Really learned to appreciate starving venom when I used super poly to fuse both my opponents Dark Rebellion and Arc Rebellion to summon it to stop an OTK. Was incredible

I still want to know what archetypes didn't fail.

I remember playing the Predaplant deck as a loaner in the Fusion Festival in Master Duel. It's honestly fun in the right format, same with Beetroopers.

"Failed" is a strong word, considering this archetype has seen a good amount of playability, even outside of Verte, Scorpion, Cobra and the Super Poly targets. Don't get me wrong there are stinkers such as Flytrap and Predaprime Fusion but for every one of those, there's a Sundew or a Bylisp. I'd even argue the Fusion & Preda Counters are not bad mechanics, anymore. The Fusion engine generates a good amount of advantage, through resources recursion and there is a lot of removal you can do with counters on board - Negation, Super Poly targets and/or Kaijuing.

They may be a failed archetype but they will always remind me of my favorite Yu-Boy from Arc V.

Like bro how are they a failed archetype just because they couldn't abuse something like grass looks greener and they were released in master rule 4. Also any archetype folds against floodgate traps without getting lucky generic backrow removal. Predaplants are good.

Predaplants are so tragic. When they came out I was excited for a slow controlling archetype that used counters to slowly weaken the opponent's monsters like Aliens were intended to do or even Ice counters. Every other archetype was just swarm the field and special summon from the Extra Deck so it was exciting to see something different. Then they remembered that it was not only an anime character archetype but the main villain of said anime so the duel writing needed him to swarm the field and special summon from the Extra Deck. The counters were nearly entirely forgotten about until later they tried to make them relevant again. But wahtever I still wanted to play them. They got a tuner so you could splash some cool synchros and also had some Xyz ability that all worked well alongside the fusions..... then Master Rule 4 made that all pointless. I really wish the whole archetype had came out like 5 years earlier. By the way, you missed Predaplant Spider Orchid, which was actually the first Pradaplant pnedulum but I am not sure any deck ever played it ever.

Incoming army of angry Predaplant defenders

Next episode should be about the Amazoness archetype on how it was a failed series

When released, somehow it feels they don't have a "decent" pattern mechanic. But in later, they have their style : corrupting other card with predaplant counter (with extra effect) and then fusion summoning (on field).

NOOOOO MY BOYYYYYSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Waiting failed cards : fortune fairy

Due to how predap counters are worded they will always turn monsters with a level into level 1 even if there isn’t a predap monster on field, Predap counters are the only counter currently in the game to have this effect.

I would love to see Scrap next. With 2 or 3 good cards and like 10 bad cards, it seems like a no brainer

i love predaplants ever since i layed my eyes on them i immediately wanted them its taking me a while to get a full deck but slowly but surely and when i finally get them ill join the parade of carnivorous plant duelist

I’m pretty sure either “Mecha Phantom Beast” or “Crystron” is going be next, since their Link monsters were just defining in the meta, especially their combination.

You saying vegans being evil was even more out of left field than Konami's obsession of Making every generic predaplant actually resembling playable.

Could you add any of the Black Rose Dragon synchro’s into the extra deck? The original uses plant type monsters to flip up defence monsters

This archetype is decent. Not every archetype has to be degenerate and broken with floodgate strategies that stop you from playing. If you want an actual failed archetype, look at something like Koaki Meiru.

Can't wait for the next wave of support to be a single fusion monster who's Instant-Fusionable and has an effect where when it's sent to grave it destroys all spell/traps And then for it to get banned because it's just a link body that lets you use heavy storm, in the most classically Predaplant way To be honest though, I'd like to see a predap quick play spell that lets you tribute a predaplant or a monster with a predaplant counter to destroy a backrow, two if the monster was your own, so it's either a 1 for 2 if you pop an opponent's card with a predaplant counter, or a 2 for 2 if you tribute one of your own against heavy floodgate decks, which, against heavy floodgate decks, ya might have a monster stuck on board ya don't wanna use anyway, so- I can't think of any cool P words that would fit for that effect though, Predapruning woulda been good for it, since, that's literally what it is, *pruning*, but since that's taken, I have no bright ideas- Predapuns are hard.

People be like: "Wym? This archetype has a strong representation." Meanwhile, the number of cards in the archetype reaching top status: around 3 extra deck monsters for interactions outside their archetype

I imagine Predaplants will find better success in Duel Links. It's much, much easier to find fusion Spell Cards with a smaller deck, all of the floodgates listed at 10:20 aren't in the game yet or are never played, and I'm sure half of Yuri's skills will have the effect of giving you Polymerization either straight from your deck or from outside it. Also, with no Main Phase 2, it will be easier to keep the counters active on the field.

Yeah id have to disagree with this one. Predaplants are pretty good and they were meta for a short time as an engine with branded.

Do melodious now please 😢

Maybe give Dream Mirror a spotlight next.

Imagine if they had a field spell that said any monster with those counters on them couldn't be used in a summoning method involving the extra deck. No negation or anything just that restriction the negates and stuff can come from the monsters. Would it be better? And by how much?. Alternative idea also, a fusion monster that could use counters to destroy cards on field simple and sweet.

Feels like a lot of these archetypes could be summarised as 'janky counter setup where the counters are too hard to get out and there's no real payoff'

This gives me an idea for a”Predap” field spell: _Predaplant Venom Swamp_ Field Spell _This card’s name is also treated as “Venom Swamp” while face-up on the field or in the GY. Unaffected by the effects of cards with a Predator or Venom counter on it. Predator counters are also treated as Venom counters, and Venom counters are also treated as Predator counters. If you summon a “Predap” or “Venom” monster, you can place 1 Predator and Venom counter each on a face-up monster on the field. During each player's End Phase: Place 1 Predator and Venom Counter on each face-up monster, except “Predap” and "Venom" monsters. Monsters lose 500 ATK and DEF for each Predator and Venom Counter on them. Destroy a monster if its ATK or DEF becomes 0 by this effect._ Basically, since there’s some scant overlap with the “Venom” archetype, I made it a point to make it a better version of “Venom Swamp that works with both Predator and Venom counters…. ⚪️The card is unaffected by the effects of cards with Predator or Venom counters on them (Giving it some decent protections)… ⚪️Predator and Venom counters are treated as each other, letting both decks main gimmick play nice with each other… ⚪️You can plaster a Predator or Venom counter on a card on the field each time you summon a “Predap” or “Venom” monster, so those counter based mechanics are always relevant… ⚪️And the last effect is an improved version of the original “Venom Swamp”’s, which now decreases DEF as well as ATK, while also sparing “Predap” monsters.

Spider orchid actually saw competitive play as a side Option for rikka sunavalon as it is the only searchable way to out tcobo

But predaplant won german nats last year and was a solid pick in branded format.

People pissed at Logs putting Predeplants in this series missied the point. By logic its like saying Ice Barriers were broken and undeserve to be on the list(Not including the new support) because they had powerful extras that saw play even outside their decks. Its referring to the archtype as a whole being ass while having only a couple main deck cards used for competetive and a rogue deck splashed with Predaplant. This was also generous considering he put Starving Venom Cards here even if they arent part of the archtype's naming. Yes its a success, a couple of them only. But they are failure as an archtype as a whole when their gimmick is not the one most widely used(Predap Counter) and the other one due to its genericness.

Predaplant has always been and will always be my favorite archtype. Wouldnt call it failed, just needs support

Predaplants are quite powerful if ran properly, I managed to fuck so many decks up with super poly and predaplants, sometimes even get Triphyoverutum up to 15k atk

I would love to see some more support for predaplant's, the idea of a field spell that can help dose sound nice. But I would also like to see some more spell and trap support to help patch the holes, that and the following: Extra deck: 1): a monkshood inspired basilisk 2): a manchineel leviathan 3): a suicide plant inspired wyvern Main deck: 1): a mandrake salamander 2): a wisteria inspired brush viper 3): a sarracenia eel Just to name a few that come to my mind.

5:51 predaplant Chimerafflesia is a level 6 fusion monster *level 7 *

I never thought it was such a bad little tree. It just needed some tender, loving care. Not every deck needed any answer to everything and not every deck was meant to be meta.

Odd-eyes starving venom is just more proof odd-eyes has the most mid extra deck options. Only good extra deck options are odd eyes vortex, Odd-Eyes Absolute (and it's only to cheat out vortex), and odd-eyes Overload which another of the strange trend where Konami only printed Odd-eyes XYZ. Where link odd-eyes Konami?!

What do good about trip is that it negates the summon, so if there’s an on summon effects, do not even activate

You should do cloudians are failed card mechanics, another archetpye based on counters - this time on cloud counters

Funny how their boss monster, who was actually a force to be reckoned with, wasn’t even a part of the archetype. Though, I guess you can say that for all the dimension dragons.

How do you pronounce all of the predaplant cards so well. Never heard Triphyovertum before. Beautiful.

At this point, Duel Logs reminds me of that Simpsons' scene where Jay Sherman is locked in a madhouse repeating IT STINKS, IT STINKS over and over

I want Gimmick puppets next

That Verte rant was beautiful :D