Let’s cut the bullshit. Efren has lost matches. There were people that he often had trouble with. His strength is how he moved. If your shot making was above his pattern play you could win. Don’t forget- this man is one of the few pool players just like him- spent many many years playing 3 cushions and no pocket pool play. Efren did not compete in pocket for 6 years in Philippines- this man probably never played pocket until famous. He is not just another pool player. Like Efren, he was/is unique to the pocket world. And one of the best cue men in history. All of us dinosaurs know this. Stop thinking Efren has/had no one that could dance in the same ballroom or get the same ticket. Thorsten is hall of fame one of a kind special. Comes from a different world player-3 cushion -the pool life on his terms