Preparing to Grind a 22" f/4.0 Telescope Mirror

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GordonWaite

GordonWaite

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This video shows preparations for grinding a 22" f/4.0 telescope mirror. This is the first mirror of a pair that will become a 22" binocular scope! Gordon Waite shows how to evaluation the generation job on the blank, and decide on a grinding strategy.

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@zombanator3000
@zombanator3000 4 жыл бұрын
KZfaq: I see you like CNC machining and restoration videos, here's a mirror resurfacing video. Me: ok... I guess that'll do..
@jonjohnson102
@jonjohnson102 4 жыл бұрын
Same lmao
@fightfanian
@fightfanian 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@austinyun
@austinyun 4 жыл бұрын
Lol same
@wownate95
@wownate95 4 жыл бұрын
yep sounds about right
@lebesnec
@lebesnec 4 жыл бұрын
Yup
@jonnymiskatonic
@jonnymiskatonic 9 жыл бұрын
I like the slight hesitation at "A little bit of effort to grind it out" I interpret that as "This'll be a bitch!"
@TheLinkminer
@TheLinkminer 2 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy watching Gordon’s videos. Been watching for years now. Hope your doing well Gordon. Thanks for these great learning lessons in grinding mirrors.
@sonnyburnett2417
@sonnyburnett2417 4 жыл бұрын
Dear lord I hope you purchased a wider-tipped Sharpee since making this video...
@MarksChannel52
@MarksChannel52 4 жыл бұрын
Was thinking down the same lines with why not use Dykem.
@meatsmell8639
@meatsmell8639 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think he just enjoys the coloring lol
@mattberg6816
@mattberg6816 4 жыл бұрын
Mark Smolarek because it’s ten times the price
@cleitonfelipe2092
@cleitonfelipe2092 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this was recommended to me too
@rubarb0406
@rubarb0406 9 жыл бұрын
Gordon, Thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. It would be nice to know how the project turned out and if your customer has completed his/her scope.
@railgap
@railgap 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! I love seeing big light buckets being made, especially if they will be accessible by the public, as I think Time/Life/Nat. Geo astronomical photos tend to set up the public for a bit of disappointment when they go to a star party or open house and find that they cannot see similar visions live, through a scope , with their eyeball. Big scopes can help, but few are accessible to the public. When I was a kid, i was privileged to become a keyholder (the youngest, up to that point, I think) to both observatories of the Peoria Astronomical Society in Illinois, which included access to both a 20" and 14". The 20" was amateur-built yet of greater optical quality than many scientific instruments in private and government hands. There's nothing quite like the PAS in Colorado, and I do miss it. Am moving to mountains in a few years, and I'm already planning to get back into telescope making then
@magealexstra
@magealexstra 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a mirror done from start to finish. Opening the blank to packaging for shipment. I'm particularly interested in the final steps.
@bravo2966
@bravo2966 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdSqaq170bm-pqs.html has what you're looking for I think
@CRAZYHORSE19682003
@CRAZYHORSE19682003 5 жыл бұрын
I am a disabled veteran so I know I will never have the opportunity to own such a magnificent piece of equipment. However, it is on my bucket list to be allowed the honor to look through one in my life. I have a Celestron Nextstar 8ES but I have not been out observing in years, my back cannot handle the weight of transporting and setting up my scope. I have always wanted to gaze upon the horsehead nebula, for me, it is the holy grail if astronomical observation. I bet with the light gathering capability of the 22 or 25-inch scope you can see it pretty easily.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 5 жыл бұрын
I've never seen the Horsehead Nebula either. Sure would like to! It's funny that I've built hundreds and hundreds of mirrors, but I seldom get to look through a telescope with one of them. Do you live someplace with an astronomy club close by? Many have public observing nights where you might be able to check one thing off your list!
@CRAZYHORSE19682003
@CRAZYHORSE19682003 5 жыл бұрын
GordonWaite Yea I belonged to the Howard county astronomy league. However, we are sandwiched in between Baltimore and Washington DC so seeing condition are never that great. I had back surgery almost a year ago and my back was really bad for a couple of years before that so I have not been able to go out and observe which makes me sad. What is your favorite object to look at? I really like M81 and M82, I will never forget the first time I saw them and my brain tried to wrap itself around what I was seeing. Two galaxies with trillions of stars, billions of planets. I always imagine someone from one of those galaxies looking at my galaxy through a telescope and wondering if there is anyone out there.
@CRAZYHORSE19682003
@CRAZYHORSE19682003 5 жыл бұрын
GordonWaite If I ever win the lotto I will be ordering the best scope you have lol.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 5 жыл бұрын
I'll be rooting for you!
@Pillowcase
@Pillowcase 4 жыл бұрын
Great, another channel I have to subscribe to because its awesome.
@theducklinghomesteadandgar6639
@theducklinghomesteadandgar6639 4 жыл бұрын
There was a day and time when, especially being originally ground with a diamond bit that there would not have been all of those 2nd if not 3rd grade defects in a purchased item UNLESS one paid less for it due to the 3rd grade defects in the piece! BUT great work on your part, for both the work done and the instruction on the what’s how’s and why’s!!!
@AnotherGlenn
@AnotherGlenn 6 жыл бұрын
Gordon, I've recently been bitten by the telescope bug and I automate for a living. I've been watching videos about making mirrors and I can't help but wonder what technology has been applied to this. I see the defect on the glass in this video. If the table had an encoder suitable for position control, and a tool to measure the flaw from center to edge, the flaw could be mapped out on the entire mirror. A laser for etching glass could be used to remove the prescribed amount of glass necessary to correct the flaw. If the measuring device is also a laser, the process could be quick and accurate. The laser doing the measuring could monitor the results of the corrections as they happen. The etcher could be on one side of the mirror and the measuring laser could be on the other side. As the mirror is spinning, the etched spots would be checked by the measuring laser after perhaps another half turn. The finish would be poor and there might be subsurface fractures, but the surface would be close to true. Maybe there would be less grinding to do afterwards. I work with PLCs (Programmable Logic Controllers) and to some degree with robots. There are probably a few robots in scrap heaps that work just fine. I think that if the above philosophy were applied to a robot, the process could be done with little supervision. It would be a dream to have a little shop with some cool machines that spit out a lot of high quality mirrors. I figure that if I have thought about this in the last month or so, probably a lot of other people have beat me to it. Do you know if anyone has designed machines for this? Is there a huge gap in technology between amateur and commercial? I very much enjoy your videos, thanks!
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 6 жыл бұрын
We use computer-controlled machines, but most companies in our class do not. We build them and program them ourselves, as we have a background in CAD, CNC and computer programming. The big commercial companies that make mirrors in the hundreds or thousands have pretty good machines available to them already, although they don't usually achieve the "premium" surface quality that boutique shops can produce.
@S4NSE
@S4NSE 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing your knowledge on the web for free
@Oganes03
@Oganes03 5 жыл бұрын
That's really cool!
@Vo0d0o2009
@Vo0d0o2009 6 жыл бұрын
wow .its damn cool i cant even imagine where to start but i love stars. gratz from canada lac st jean
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Enjoy the sky.
@epic_playz4283
@epic_playz4283 2 жыл бұрын
Newport glass is really sketchy the secretary never got back to me after he said he would so I just got off united lens btw great video!
@darkrick1638
@darkrick1638 4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, greetings
@uncletacosupreme7023
@uncletacosupreme7023 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this message is helpful but they make powder guidecoat. You can probably find it in an automotive parts place. I hated using it with bodywork because it got a little messy when I was in a hurry. But it helped with my bondo. Thanks for the video. I am looking forward to making my own mirror.
@nebnoswel
@nebnoswel 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried Dykem? It's a marking fluid used by machinists. It's effectively sharpie, but you can apply it with a brush very evenly and quickly.
@AppleManYT
@AppleManYT 4 жыл бұрын
Hi other people that this got recommended to
@Blackwater_House
@Blackwater_House 4 жыл бұрын
In the early 1970’s I Hand Ground a 10 Inch Mirror. It took Me forever. If I’d had this machine I would doubtless have been grinding larger mirrors too.
@77talton
@77talton 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know what I’m watching but I like it
@user-nh3fw5xo3n
@user-nh3fw5xo3n 2 жыл бұрын
Спасибо за ваш труд я тоже занимаюсь этим увлечением желаю вам здоровья и терпеия .Thank you for your Work i am also engaged inthis hobby i wish you health and patience.
@firesurfer
@firesurfer 4 жыл бұрын
I noticed the grinding stone was passively driven by friction with the glass. I wonder if the is any variation in speed and whether it makes a difference.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
The speed varies a little bit, depending on how good contact is between the two disks. When it is in the proper "zone" then it is pretty constant. Basically, the speed takes care of itself!
@nadaadeclarar1979
@nadaadeclarar1979 Жыл бұрын
Então a borda da ferramenta deve sempre ficar no centro do espelho? A tradução do KZfaq não foi muito clara para mim.
@yintaichi
@yintaichi 9 жыл бұрын
Looks like fun. Y'know,Jjohn Dobson used to tell us that he made his first 24 - incher from a surplus port- hole glass ( his standard material in the old days ) that he and a friend sawed in half ( thickness ) with a HANDSAW ! , after they mounted the thing in a wood frame. Good Ole' ... J. D. Gone but never forgotten. Cheers !
@Bigalinjapan
@Bigalinjapan 7 ай бұрын
So how exactly does that grinder wheel lead to the desired curvature?
@emanoeldeoliveira8943
@emanoeldeoliveira8943 3 жыл бұрын
How long can it take to manufacture a mirror like this with this same machinery?
@poljakov13
@poljakov13 8 жыл бұрын
where you got that glass cylinder from what you grind a mirror ??
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 8 жыл бұрын
+Markko Two companies, United Lens and Newport Glassworks, are possible sources of mirror blanks.
@ianide2480
@ianide2480 4 жыл бұрын
Quick optical trick when the glass is spinning watch it carefully the entire time all the way up to the 4 min mark. So watch him mark it up with the sharpie and keep watching until it stops. As soon as he stops it at 4 mins scroll down and look at any text in the comments. Not sure how this will work on a phone or tablet, but on a larger computer screen the effect is kinda fun.
@bobbytowesr3387
@bobbytowesr3387 Жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity do you ever recondition mirrors???
@Nomeado
@Nomeado 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Brazil
@TSAlpha2933
@TSAlpha2933 8 ай бұрын
do you correct these, or are they for viewing only?
@videogalore
@videogalore 4 жыл бұрын
Would it not make sense to use 'Dykem' engineering layout fluid or something similar?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
You could, but a felt tip pen is far easier. I have them on my desk, and in my pocket, and all around the shop. Much easier than finding the Dykem.
@videogalore
@videogalore 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite Fair enough, just a thought. Really enjoyed the video, very interesting so thank you for uploading!
@lanvungthungpatton4402
@lanvungthungpatton4402 2 жыл бұрын
Hi gordon.. I am looking for optical mirror for making telescope.. Do you know where do i get this..
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 2 жыл бұрын
Waite Research for a good one, GSO for a cheap one.
@anonymousstout4759
@anonymousstout4759 4 жыл бұрын
Ok KZfaq I watch the damn video! Happy now?
@Chris-he9nv
@Chris-he9nv 4 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know Cody’sLab had a third channel where he grinds mirrors. Cool!
@antigen4
@antigen4 4 жыл бұрын
link please
@joseplem9422
@joseplem9422 7 жыл бұрын
Hola Gordon. estoy haciendo un espejo de 14 pulgadas con una herramienta de 11 pulgadas. cuánto tiempo que sobresalir la herramienta del espejo para que salga esférico el espejo?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 7 жыл бұрын
Start at about 1.5" and experiment with your spherometer.
@joseplem9422
@joseplem9422 7 жыл бұрын
+GordonWaite gracias Gordon.
@Alientraveler003
@Alientraveler003 3 жыл бұрын
Way better than the knees and bench work
@johnbatchler8551
@johnbatchler8551 7 жыл бұрын
I'm making a cassergrain/reflector dual just like the takahashi cn212
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool! What size is that?
@thakurboys5962
@thakurboys5962 4 жыл бұрын
Is that a some sort of special glass blank manufactured using a cast or just plain thick glass blank( float glass)?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
This is special glass, borosilicate glass called Supremax-33 which is made by Schott. It is cut from sheet stock.
@thakurboys5962
@thakurboys5962 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite glad to hear from you. Here I'm into manufacturing of glassware from borosilicate glass 3.3.
@markusfischhaber8178
@markusfischhaber8178 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm how will you get a spherical grind with this grinding setup? I can is the tool exactly 90 degree to the glass or are you using a spherical tool? But if so the high spot in the middle of the tool will only grind on one circle on the glass in this setup
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
The tool sits flat on top of the mirror. It is well offset from the center, and loose abrasives like silicon carbide or aluminum oxide are ground between the two disks. The mirror-to-be is sitting face up on a turntable. When the turntable spins, the friction causes the tool to spin on top of it, thus grinding both the mirror and the tool. The mirror on the bottom slowly goes concave, while the tool gets convex. The radius of the spherical surface on the mirror is controlled by changing the offset of the tool on top.
@markusfischhaber8178
@markusfischhaber8178 4 жыл бұрын
Ahh, thank you very much. Tool and glass are grinding each other, now I understand how the glass will get its spherically shape
@dankahraman354
@dankahraman354 2 жыл бұрын
Do you use a fixed post machine for all your work? I am re-watching all your videos.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 2 жыл бұрын
We use fixed-post for almost all grinding and polishing. Then we switch to stroking machines for figuring.
@benjaminhackett8896
@benjaminhackett8896 4 жыл бұрын
I guess grinding is where the precision comes in, but my first thought would have been, “Can I get my money back?” (Not having any experience with mirror stock or grinding.)
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Deviations from perfect are pretty common. They all are fixed in the first grinding stages without any extra effort, so we don't get very upset. Worst case you have to start one grade above.
@rty1955
@rty1955 Жыл бұрын
How do you determine the f rating? In glass, its the purity of the glass, yes?
@cemoguz2786
@cemoguz2786 Жыл бұрын
F ratio is noting to do with glass type geometric shape of it. Where the light focus. When miror placed if you masure focal length and appeture and dive FL to a appeture that is f ratio.
@borrabobos
@borrabobos 4 жыл бұрын
If u pause it The disc turns backwards
@jeevansting2002
@jeevansting2002 4 жыл бұрын
I do have one question, why do you have to spend so much to make mirrors by melting glasses and moulding it, taking care in grinding to the exact point required. Wherein you can get it done in a metal place with mirror finish coating and use it the same way as glass mirror..my question may not be that exact but this is just my thought...
@SmeeUncleJoe
@SmeeUncleJoe 4 жыл бұрын
"Get it done in a metal place " ? Wha ...??? You mean a machine shop ? They don't do this stuff.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Most metal work is accurate to a thousandth of an inch. Telescope mirrors are more like a millionth of an inch. Plus metal expands and contracts too much with temperature change.
@jc4evur661
@jc4evur661 4 жыл бұрын
So how did your 22" binos come out? Any pictures of it? Maybe KZfaq videos? I built a 20" f4.5 binocular scope that was featured in Sky and Telescope back in 1993 (I believe) It was an amazing scope(s) the problem too was that if I was going to spend as much as I did on the scope I of course had to have the best eyepieces. So that meant 2-35mm Panoptics, 2-16mm Naglers and so on! Eee$$$kk! I think at f-4 you're gonna have issues with getting the stars to merge without knocking the scope out of colimation. Had a lot of interesting adventures with that scope before I sold it. :-)
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
I was only contracted to produce the mirrors. Somebody else was to build the telescope itself. Don't know how it came out!
@jc4evur661
@jc4evur661 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite I asked because back in 1993 I built a pair of 20" f4.5 binos...they were amazing. It was featured in Sky and Telescope that year too. Got the optics from Pegasus optics in Ariz.
@gigicaly
@gigicaly 4 жыл бұрын
Although this is an awesome video I must say something here and I truly hope that I strike a nerve but at the same time I do not offend anyone by doing it. So here it is: There are tens of videos on how to grind your own telescope mirror and they are all awesome made by awesome people who get to do this. My problem is with the videos that are missing from the online medium and those are the videos where someone actually uses these DIY/homemade mirrors and actually shows us some sky photos taken with them. Hope I am wrong here but there's my 5 cents n the matter.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Most DIY mirrors go into Dobsonian-style telescopes and these just aren't very good for doing sky photography. I have done a lot of lunar photography, though. If you are interested, please drop me an email.
@johnbatchler8551
@johnbatchler8551 7 жыл бұрын
a 10in version of the takahashi cn212 i need to make a 2in hole in it
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 7 жыл бұрын
Time to break out the diamond hole saw. I would recommend only a partial cut out of the hole. Cut out the last little bit after the mirror is finished. Having a hole in the middle makes it harder to make and press polishers. Having just a narrow ring isn't so bad.
@hypsin
@hypsin 4 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity - what's the ballpark cost for a blank of this size?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
If you have one made from Supremax-33, Blanchard ground plano/plano, and beveled, plus typical shipping, you will spend between $1,500 and $2,000 for the blank.
@johnbatchler8551
@johnbatchler8551 7 жыл бұрын
do you need to find the center of the mirror before drilling a hole in it??
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why you would drill a hole in it? Could you please explain? Thanks!
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 7 жыл бұрын
Why are you drilling a hole in it?
@ivanrodionov9724
@ivanrodionov9724 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite hmm i guess the only time you would do that is if you are building a telescope such as a maxutov or something.
@Mc_poopie
@Mc_poopie 6 ай бұрын
What does f/4 mean?....can anybody explain please?
@Alexander_Sannikov
@Alexander_Sannikov 4 жыл бұрын
is the mirror actually spherical or parabolic?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Telescope mirrors start out as spherical through the grinding and polishing. When the polishing is finished you start figuring the mirror to take it from spherical to parabolic.
@Alexander_Sannikov
@Alexander_Sannikov 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite Thanks. After watching almost all your videos I have basically figured (pun intended) that out. However, for you it's probably so obvious that you never explicitly explain as to why this is so. Why is it easier to create a sphere first? Why do the methods of grinding you use produce a sphere (and not an ellipsoid for example)? And also how exactly do you know where to remove material to make it parabolic?
@jamie-ox8sg
@jamie-ox8sg 4 жыл бұрын
So where is video 2
@mostafasaadinasab6338
@mostafasaadinasab6338 4 жыл бұрын
##besten#Liebe##Episode
@creepykong4222
@creepykong4222 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing! One lens like this one in video costs? 3000USD?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Actually a 22" f/4 mirror costs about $9,000.
@creepykong4222
@creepykong4222 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite you mentioned building huge binoculars. Do you have video of that? Would gladly watch. It is amazing what people can do with their skills. All the best
@creepykong4222
@creepykong4222 4 жыл бұрын
@Greg Moonen thank you. I hope i can find those on your channel. Quick links would be of much help
@creepykong4222
@creepykong4222 4 жыл бұрын
@Greg Moonen no. No building. Just wanted to watch. But i guess i will look it up myself
@heyarno
@heyarno 4 жыл бұрын
That defect looks like the diamond tool kept spinning while the lens stood still.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Actually it is the combination of two problems. The mirror itself wasn't perfectly centered on the turntable. And the edge of the diamond tool wasn't perfectly positioned over the center of the mirror. We see these all the time, although most are less dramatic than this one.
@heyarno
@heyarno 4 жыл бұрын
@@GordonWaite I had to think about that for a moment, but now I see it so clearly. Thanks a lot.
@fatitankeris6327
@fatitankeris6327 4 жыл бұрын
For someone like me: It's aperture is about 550mm and focal length about 2200mm
@PlanB_design
@PlanB_design 4 жыл бұрын
If the grinding stone is just sitting on the mirror, then theoretically it wouldn't make a complete even finish since the contact point of the two changes. No reference hight.
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
And yet it works so marvelously well! The grinding stone isn't "just sitting" on the mirror...
@andrewCNC905
@andrewCNC905 4 жыл бұрын
how much is a blank like that cost
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Around $1,700 to $2,000 at the moment, without any processing
@spaken2768
@spaken2768 4 жыл бұрын
You need a bigger marker
@TytusG
@TytusG 4 жыл бұрын
Why not use Dykem?
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
Felt tip pen is way easier and faster. The "Sharpie" test is a decade's old classic tradition.
@MichaelHarto
@MichaelHarto 4 жыл бұрын
5:50 where the grinding starts
@bullshitvendor
@bullshitvendor 4 жыл бұрын
who cast the blank? i assume no centrifuge was used or that was a botch job
@gordonwaite1697
@gordonwaite1697 4 жыл бұрын
The blank wasn't cast, it was cut from a large sheet of borosilicate glass. The sheets are produced by Schott, a huge glass company. The artifact is from the generation of the blank, and is a trivial thing, not a problem at all.
@bullshitvendor
@bullshitvendor 4 жыл бұрын
@@gordonwaite1697 Oh I sure got that backwards! I was so sure you said somewhere in the video that it was a cast blank. Watching too many videos to keep them apart.
@davoc5140
@davoc5140 Жыл бұрын
hi there. How did you calculate 176 inches focal length with f-4 and 22 inch diameter mirror? Wouldn't it be for 44 inch mirror? Or is it because you are making binocular? I didnt think it made difference, thanks!
@sairast
@sairast 4 жыл бұрын
i was whatching dragonball z clips and now im here. ok. i guess.
@joeo6378
@joeo6378 4 жыл бұрын
maybe I am slow, but that looks like a lens to me. not a mirror.
@vladimirvlad2563
@vladimirvlad2563 4 жыл бұрын
It will be coated with a reflective coating.
@joeo6378
@joeo6378 4 жыл бұрын
@@vladimirvlad2563 ooo. Awesome. Thanks for the reply.
@Thestripper1
@Thestripper1 5 жыл бұрын
2:49 Aaand SOLD! at Southeby's for $ 485.000
@alquinn8576
@alquinn8576 4 жыл бұрын
my god, these godless communists and their nasty periods in place of commas
@Vasu1982ca
@Vasu1982ca 4 жыл бұрын
Какой большой кусочек колбаски....
@Tbonyandsteak
@Tbonyandsteak 4 жыл бұрын
Must be a nightmare to do it right, a lot can go wrong.....
@GordonWaite
@GordonWaite 4 жыл бұрын
It is, indeed, detail oriented.
@jakubkyvala1074
@jakubkyvala1074 4 жыл бұрын
Why is this in my recommended videos? xd
@RJ-ss8ht
@RJ-ss8ht 11 ай бұрын
That looks expensive
@fnvidstv6754
@fnvidstv6754 4 жыл бұрын
i dont even have a telescope, wtf am i doing watching the entire video ·_·
@-ShootTheGlass-
@-ShootTheGlass- 4 жыл бұрын
me too....wtf!?
@beanosmeanos8650
@beanosmeanos8650 4 жыл бұрын
Who else the thumbnail was a big piece of processed meat
@Allbbrz
@Allbbrz 4 жыл бұрын
aw crap... 11:23 minutes of getting excited to be left drolling..... come on, put on the entire work video.
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