How much would you be willing to pay? knowing the place you sent it to knew this should have been sent back to be rectified in the first place? I would call this profiteering?

In my area a bike build will run about $500, I would be okay with that price, if it was done to this level. However, I've been in enough of the local shops and this isn't the level they work at.@@youcandoit2502

​@@youcandoit2502Spot on.

High detail bicycle builds with expensive tooling and extra time spent = high cost .

Thanks Byron. Have a great season

@@robhamp9408 I would be keen to know what the good bike shops in London are. We have a lot of customers from London that come to us because all the shops in London seem to all be about sales and not service. I bet there are some hidden Jems in the city somewhere.

@@MapdecBrixton Cycles, Condor Cycles, London Field Cycles and from my Knowledge they don’t add a tooling charge!

@@robhamp9408 I bet your fun at parties. 😂.

hey Rob, it's really simple. Mapdec's workmanship is out there for all to see. That was the level of attention and care I wanted and it's what I received, in less than 3 days inc delivery. @@robhamp9408

We all need to change.

99% of bike mechanics in the UK are incompetent. It is really difficult to find one who knows what they are doing.

I noticed that too. That’s more personal details about bike mechanic than I wanted! 😂

Top tip.

Do the same to the seatclamp and stem while you're at it

Yes, I had to do that with a steel-framed bike I bought 27 years ago, after it gouged my aluminium seatpost.

Wow,thank you

Good thing you're not using salsa handlebars

@@janeblogs324 I am. Woodchippers. The bike is the original dropbar MTB and it's designed around it: short top tube etc.

Don't let those little niggles stop you. I regularly prep people's home builds from frame milling to problematic brake bleeds to whatever. Use the local shop for stuff you're not read or able to tackle so you can focus your efforts on the parts you can do.

But that’s precisely why I would never bother with, and highly encourage ppl to leave any bike work to the pros. There is little bevefits, and more demerits to trying to work on your own bike at home. Is your time worth that little, that you can waste it trying to sort out all these issues?

If a new frame needs such refinements, it should be done, at least this is the case of the workshop I last worked at. I even got to do disc brake mount facing and BB shell reaming a few times. Ever since then, I never look at bike builds the same way ever again.

Very true.

It would have help this video if i had used blue dycum to illustrate that gap.

Shimano bottom bracket width standard is engineered with a large variance permitted to account for manufacturing tolerance and frame preparation, +/- 0.5mm.

Thank you.

Thank you

Thanks. All bike shops should have frame tools. You can’t build bikes without them.

Yes, but an essential tool. Really can’t be a wrench without them.

@@Mapdec hopefully if I get enough basic servicing work I can get the tooling in and broaden what I offer :)

We are literally in Kendal.

Ridley has so far ignored most of this and didn’t want the frames back. In a previous vid I showed how they paid us £250 to keep it. In another vid I gave up and tried to send it back. It took months for them to even reply.

Yes, Cyclus make some great tools, A lot of these tools are accumulated over time as we need them. If I had to start over and had the budget I would choose Cyclus for a lot of things.

It is about an hour of time. plus some tooling costs. those tools are expenisve to buy and keep sharp.

@@Mapdec sorry for the duplicate question but how much did you charge for this?

I reckon £50 for the work plus £20 return postage...? Without getting into the argument of whether this should've been carried out 'pre delivery' I think you'd have a sizeable queue wanting this service... Maybe you have! 👍

For reference, Park Tool brand in USD - For one single size of bike frame - about $2,500 USD just in basic tools and supplies for this one task. The knowledge and skill to use them "correctly" and in a timely manner without destroying your frame is the defining factor. Example: There are over 20 bike shops within 45 minutes of me. Only 1 of them says they have all of the proper tools to do a legit full frame face and chase, they charge by the hour, and only one of their techs knows how. Several shops offered to do only the brake mounts at 30-50 USD "per axle". And you have to leave the bike for the day. Each and every shop told me - without seeing the bike - it was all unnecessary, it was likely just in need of adjustment. Which may usually be true, but not in my case. Misaligned and squeaking brakes, noisy bottom brackets, headsets that come loose, and noisy steering (feels like turning a pepper grinder) can all be corrected with this procedure. @chrisb5824 - 50 quid would not be sufficient. At this level of skill and tool application, one should expect to pay 100 or more as every machined surface and thread was touched and documented, and not all frames are in as good condition as the one in the video. The amount of correction varies greatly as you go down in build quality. Yes, it should be done pre-delivery, and it is done on some higher end bikes. But time is money and profit margins are thin. Will the bike work without this service, technically yes. Does it all work better after the procedure - definitely yes. It's not for everyone for sure, most bikes / riders won't notice or care. But for some, it's a standard process to make things work as intended, more so when using high quality parts. Well done, Mapdec Cycle Works.

The tools are in the description. Just practise a bit on an old frame. Take your time to measure and be precise when working.

Depends on the design of the tool

It is about getting a flat surface, paint is just one culprit.

This is why these videos need to get more viewers. The average customer doesn't see this, they just notice when something fails sooner than it should have.

I would return it or they pay for fixing it, why should you pay?

Some. Not loads.

@@Mapdec Sorry, I should’ve elaborated. Just wondered how you felt in regard to their quality? Any issues like the ones presented in this video? I understand this is your trade so no worries if you don’t feel like commenting for whatever reason. Cheers again 👍

If you ride hard, the rotors can push on the pistons, taking them out of alignment.. It might be what you are experiencing

Ask. It is work doing. Pads will last longer too.

🤔

What rotors/hub are you running and what sort of riding? I’ve had all sorts of issues with all rotors tbh Hope and Shimano although I would go with Hope over Shimano just for the fact I can run my gold rotor/hub combo

Less than the price of a Mac Pro, or a Sony Camera and lenses, or a car lift. Professionals use professional tools.

is this took away 0.02 i would be surprised.

BSA standard permits 68mm +/- 0.5mm on width dimension.

We have had to sort a few built bikes.

It ensures that things don’t creak or rub.

Things tend to creak, rub, and wear out faster.

We would always inspect with gages and tools, and everything is worth checking. Time frames have been known to have a little excess lacquer near the brake mounts. Look are usually excellent, but I did have to remove a tiny bit of paint from a bb recently.

@@Mapdec thank you!

Yes. Different tool though. Take a look at other vids. Very important on press fit.

Very erratic

An embarrassment to the industry. Makes me so sad. 😞

@@Mapdec It would suggest that the bikes they sell (specialized, cannondale, trek, orbea, pinarello, RIDLEY (haha), Niner, Sena) never need any facing when they leave the factory. Or they never consider to face any surface.

Nope. Very different. Don’t mix them up.

​​@@Mapdecare you sure? Can't find anywhere that specifies DOT or MO use only for hoses... Neither Jagwire nor Hope hoses are listed as one or the other... Got me worried now 😎

@@chrisb5824 BH90 is a smaller internal bore and need a smaller barb. BH59 might work. Never felt compelled to try.

@@Mapdec (apologies as I'm aware this is slightly off topic..) Done some quick calls/research - Shimano ID 2.3mm, Hope 2.2mm, and SRAM 2.1mm. Apparently the hose is ok for DOT or MO - just never reuse a hose for a different oil... live and learn 👍

​@@Mapdecoh, and just in case you're wondering why - I'm wanting to use the excellent UK made Hope calipers on my road bike so need to combine with either Shimano or SRAM shifters... Compatibility raises it's ugly head!

An hour plus a tooling charge is normal.

@@MapdecHow much is that? 😂 thanks for the underwhelming response but that leads me to believe not all is good here. #deepdive

Our hourly rate is £50 an hour. All ok here thanks@@youcandoit2502

⁠@@Mapdecthanks for the reply 👍 does that include the up charge for using cutters?

This seems to be the norm, rather than the exception with Ridley frames, unfortunately.

​@@MrSchattkacan confirm

@@MrSchattka To my knowledge, Ridley once started their business by.... Painting frames... Rgr

Exactly! I will give this one the benefit of doubt before breaking down the cost vs sending back. I’m awaiting a response to cost but I feel a little ghosting is going on unfortunately. I like the videos but one thing that’s lacking is the cost to put things right. Why send a frame from London and the back to face the head tube, bottom bracket and brake mounts? I know plenty of good bike shops in London that could do this for a £100 max. Some might say you have an axe to grind with Ridley and profiteering? I would be happy to be proved wrong though!

@@borano2031 Ridley have been in the UK market for over 15 years, first by rebranding frames such as Rondelli (Ron Spencer Cycles) then some Vitus models to my knowledge amongst other brands.

Oh. Quite the opposite. Now you can be more confident in what to look for and check before you build.

I'm especially afraid of BB and disc brake face imperfections @@Mapdec - makes me think twice of ordering an ali express frame in order to make use of warranty claims that dont require me to ship back and forth around the world. I love your videos and they taught me so many things to look at

Not to any of our problems. So disappointing.

I’m afraid you have to question why the need of sending the frame across the country to sort these issues, I know the tools are shiny but I’ve worked at 8 Shops across London with the same ones albeit a bit dirtier 😂 BC have one of the best tool chests in the UK

Ridley is a Belgian bike company. I don’t think travelling to a factory in Belgium from the UK would really have had much impact.

Much more than that these days.

Really? We do this a lot. Admittedly we do it as required when we encounter a poor fit causing an issue.

@Mapdec, What sort of Money would you charge for that work?

I agree, I would like my frame cleaned/Faced correctly when purchasing. If I need to add a cost onto the build then it’s going back or I would expect a refund! I’m sorry but it’s just not acceptable

Before the days of mass production every bike shop would use these. Bikes would need to be assembled at a shop. Now, the factories are expected to do it, but don’t. Bikes come pretty much assembled, and so bike shops don’t then dissemble to put things right.

@Mapdec good insight, thanks. So what we have is an evolving industry where the mfr has become dominant and assumed greater share of the value creation, but not the responsibilities that come with it. I also feel that consumers are part of the problem - we're too easily wowwed by marketing and glamously shaped frames and components and that's enough for many of us.

I'm also guessing that anyone watching your videos probably isn't one of those consumers I just mentioned.

They rely on that cheap labour for quality control too. Or rather the brands push the factories on price, and the factories just respond by doing a cheaper job.

When frames like this cost £1200 and are sold direct to consumers.

Amazing. Best investment ever.