Press conference German GP after team order Ferrari

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Thomas

Thomas

14 жыл бұрын

Felipe Massa is acting normal about what happened.

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@PLAYSTATIONBLOKE
@PLAYSTATIONBLOKE 12 жыл бұрын
you all forgot in malaysia in 2007 (i think) coulthard was blasting up the field, got caught behind mark webber... Christian Horner; "David, you are faster then mark." coulthard overtakes David coulthard: "Glass to aussie" red bull did the same trick then critised ferrari for it
@volcom1722
@volcom1722 7 жыл бұрын
Eddie Alonso youre exactly right, i watched that race last night online. Red Bull did the same thing again with multi21
@midnoob1650
@midnoob1650 4 жыл бұрын
Every team did it. That's what they put on their drivers contracts. It happened before and it will happen in the future as the fight for important positions against other teams intensifies
@Yoshik379
@Yoshik379 11 ай бұрын
Yeah but people don't care if the "championship" isn't being influenced... Few people even remember 1 thing Coulthard or Webber did during the 2007 season because a lot of people only care about the podium runners, hence the lack of outrage.
@lealowo
@lealowo 12 жыл бұрын
from the moment you first put your hands on a kart wheel you know "the most important thing" is to win
@cobbymaster
@cobbymaster 11 жыл бұрын
He finished off the season in the form of his life, and is racing for ferrari in 2013. He could definitely win a race next year.
@Mart-Man
@Mart-Man 12 жыл бұрын
Are you sure? "Jenson you need to save fuel" "Mark, we need to maintain the gap"
@flipsidedogchop
@flipsidedogchop 13 жыл бұрын
@Chaserbl did u enjoy the abu dhabi GP? i bet alonso wished he still drove for renault cos then petrov woulda moved aside
@marvinmusiic
@marvinmusiic 12 жыл бұрын
Horner: "ok mark, maintain the gap, maintain the gap" Silverstone 2011
@justforfun4394
@justforfun4394 4 жыл бұрын
Horner after this race (Germany 2010): "I have to say that is the clearest team order I've ever seen. It will be interesting to see what the stewards make of it because for me it was as clear as 2002, which is why the rule was brought in. It's wrong for the sport. The drivers should have been allowed to race. Massa did the better job." "Rightly or wrongly, we've allowed our guys to race and that is something they have done throughout this year. In Turkey we paid the ultimate price for that, where one retired and the other achieved a lesser result than he should have done. If the rules were different then perhaps we would have addressed that race differently."
@LesterBrunt
@LesterBrunt 13 жыл бұрын
@stratdax You can hear other team bosses say that it was unenforceable because what is team order? Is it directly saying "you have to let ... pass for the championship" or is it anything that could change the outcome of the race like getting someone to pit earlier or giving the new devolped rear wing or telling a driver to save fuel? Every team has influence on the outcome of the race and they take advantage of that. Thats the reality and thats why the ban was quickly lifted.
@pablosteles
@pablosteles 11 жыл бұрын
GOBbluthagain comment is 4 months ago, back then it was almost a sure thing that Massa was out of ferrari, but I agree with you, I think the problem with Massa was self confidence, and he regained it at the end of the season, lets hope he can show all of his talent.
@jakubkrcma
@jakubkrcma 12 жыл бұрын
Lewis has improved his head much over 2011 (with Valencia being a notable exception). I hope he keeps going brain first till the end of the season.
@user-eh1gc7xo7q
@user-eh1gc7xo7q Жыл бұрын
He definitely kept it going
@LoopInc
@LoopInc 13 жыл бұрын
MARK, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE GAP
@Drenwickification
@Drenwickification 11 жыл бұрын
totally different, they broke no rules at all as it was allowed in 2011.
@haggidubious
@haggidubious 12 жыл бұрын
Just watching this makes me feel dirty. In fact, anything with Teflonso in it makes me feel that way.
@wcpelle
@wcpelle 11 жыл бұрын
dont worry lad, they will after this season.
@carlosmorgadosilva3517
@carlosmorgadosilva3517 9 ай бұрын
It's just awfully shameful how the English press went all on to attack Fernando, with questions aimed to making him snap back. Such an utter disappointment that this behaviour is, or was, allowed in British journalism
@19megamustaine85
@19megamustaine85 5 ай бұрын
He deserved it ,arrogant asshole !💩🤡
@flammenjc
@flammenjc 10 жыл бұрын
Yea. A real shame. Welcome Back Kimi.
@dbr712
@dbr712 12 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Massa. Ever since he came back from the accident, and Alonso had taken Kimi's place, Ferrari have been very bad at hiding that they consider him their "lesser" driver, and would rather Alonso get a few more points, then let Felipe have his rightful 1st place. This season he's been doing horrible, and Ferrari ridiculed him in a press release earlier in the year. And after the season he will surely get the boot from Ferrari, and will probably not have a future in F1...
@LoockSkywalker
@LoockSkywalker 11 жыл бұрын
at this moment di Montezemolo was waving with a new contract in the back of the camera...
@wcpelle
@wcpelle 11 жыл бұрын
haha, don't worry lad, they will after this year :)
@VegeXP
@VegeXP 11 жыл бұрын
Alonso didn't have any reliability problems with the car in 2012. Remember what happened in Valencia? No. Monza? No. What about Abu Dhabi? Of course not. Yeah, Vettel was really lucky!
@iamanidiotbut7403
@iamanidiotbut7403 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot about grosjean huh
@marune1975
@marune1975 12 жыл бұрын
Sebastian we have a gearbox problem.....
@DaniyalJafarey
@DaniyalJafarey 11 жыл бұрын
Actually, they did keep telling Vettel that he had a gearbox problem even after he got passed by Webber. Plus, in 2011 it was a part of the rules to alllow team orders, Ferrari broke the rules in 2010.
@TheJonix46
@TheJonix46 10 жыл бұрын
I don't know about you, but where I live it's 2013
@shadyizloo
@shadyizloo 6 жыл бұрын
144 points Massa 252 points Alonso and massa is pissed for that race win? FERNANDO WAS FASTER THAN YOU MASSA!
@daniels6292
@daniels6292 5 жыл бұрын
Not that race though..
@RemcoGamer95
@RemcoGamer95 13 жыл бұрын
Massa and Rob Smedley are the only Honest people at Ferrari !
@lonsomclovin
@lonsomclovin 12 жыл бұрын
Yeah, "gearbox issues" exactly on the last race. It was just a gift to Mark.
@EpicLiima
@EpicLiima 11 жыл бұрын
Actually team orders are legal nowdays in Formula 1...
@LesterBrunt
@LesterBrunt 11 жыл бұрын
" No other team does this" LOL keep thinking that.
@mildseven0506
@mildseven0506 14 жыл бұрын
"for the team"
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
either you are 12 years old or i really feel sorry for your parents... Schumacher is the most successful driver of all time, if you ask any top drivers of today, they would say that Senna is the greatest of all time... to be great winning is not enough,to win you just need a good car... its about pushing beyond the limit of the car, overtakes that we won t forget...surely vettel made some great overtake maneuvers this year, but alonso made more of them and more amazing...
@sejhedskongen
@sejhedskongen 11 жыл бұрын
He didn´t say anything about Senna in that comment...
@ChefDeParrillada
@ChefDeParrillada 11 жыл бұрын
And still Seb won
@GOBbluthagain
@GOBbluthagain 11 жыл бұрын
wow replying to my comment 8 months ago... you do know back then it looked like massa was gone for sure..
@Britf1Films
@Britf1Films 12 жыл бұрын
I can see why you would think that as it was suspicious that sebs car was fine after he let mark through, but the evidence was on the red bull pit box floor that is gearbox was losing oil. red bull are no saints though, the team orders at silverstone were not needed for either party
@DaniyalJafarey
@DaniyalJafarey 11 жыл бұрын
Well, not all gearbox problems lead to retirements, you can control them by shortshifting and sometimes just a gear is missing, so gearbox issues don't always lead to retirements. Also, my comment doesn't imply that Vettel actually had a problem, it states that even after he was passed, they told Vettel that he had a problem and he had to slow down.
@LesterBrunt
@LesterBrunt 13 жыл бұрын
@stratdax Oh you think that because they could hear all the radio transmission team orders couldn't exist? This is just becoming wishfull thinking, if you watch anyone who is in F1 talk about team orders they will all say the ban was unenforcable and it was just ridiculous because every team does it and has been doing it since the beginning of the sport. SOrry for my typo, I mean to say team orders were banned till the ferrari accident since you try to hammer on that mistake so much.
@keytek9
@keytek9 12 жыл бұрын
the rules had changed after that so teams orders are allowed now
@blackmondayy1
@blackmondayy1 11 жыл бұрын
Vettel was freaking lucky in 2012? His car brock when he was leading in Valencia, his car brock when he was 3rd in Monza, he started from the pits in Abu Dhabi, he got hit in the first lap of Brazil and sent to the back of the pack and you still think Vettel was the lucky one? And stop that better car shit. Senna won all his 3 titles driving for McLaren who at that time was the best cat yet everybody thinks he was the greatest ever.
@HugoStiglitz88
@HugoStiglitz88 6 жыл бұрын
You just compared Vettel to Senna. Credibility lost forever. Idiot.
@sv52308
@sv52308 3 жыл бұрын
@@HugoStiglitz88 no he didn't
@sv52308
@sv52308 3 жыл бұрын
@@HugoStiglitz88 now please shut up
@flatsix9400
@flatsix9400 11 жыл бұрын
I think Prost was better than Senna. And I think Vettel and Alonso are at least equals. P.S. Alonso had the same amount of luck in Valencia as Vettel had in Abu Dhabi. It appears Vettel fans say Alonso was lucky in Valencia and Vettel drove skilled in Abu Dhabi whilst Alonso fans say it the other way around. What makes a driver great? That is for everyone to decide for themselves.
@TheJonix46
@TheJonix46 10 жыл бұрын
honestly alonso had the best car at the beginning of the year, but who was first in the championship? Vettel
@geurgo
@geurgo 12 жыл бұрын
didn't even expect you to! there's a lot you don't understand buddy
@kardonharman4617
@kardonharman4617 10 жыл бұрын
'93 season during which Senna drove two of his most memorable races. Interlagos and Donington Park against Williams. 'Nuff said. What Senna did with his cars was and is unheard of. Even before McLaren (i.e.Toleman at Monaco). Vettel has Newey, Senna had Honda. Both were hugely important for the drivers' success but you forget that Senna represented to many people something that Vettel and arguably Schumacher have failed to do. That's why Senna is the greatest driver in the history of motorsport.
@terkmadugga
@terkmadugga 6 жыл бұрын
kardon harman schumacher? Arguably the only man to win titles in cars which weren’t the best in ‘94 and ‘95; maybe even 2000. His performances in the wet were at least as impressive as Senna’s, and he was the catalyst to bring bank Ferrari to the front of the grid Something which Senna has never done.
@wcpelle
@wcpelle 11 жыл бұрын
dont worry lad, they will, they will indeed
@calvinhermse
@calvinhermse 12 жыл бұрын
That's so .... argh... You don't know about the fuel saving. It is really possible that a car can run out of fuel, you know? Unless you were the person fueling the car up, you can't be sure, no matter what anyone says.
@KaiserBob99
@KaiserBob99 12 жыл бұрын
OK Vettel we have a gearbox problem After Webber passes: Gearbox OK. Brazil 2011
@Drenwickification
@Drenwickification 12 жыл бұрын
What absolute bullshit. They are paid millions of pounds by their teams to do the job. They are not in charge of the team, the team are in charge of them. People forget that f1 IS a team sport, and in a similar situation I feel that the drivers you mentioned would do the same as felipe, even if they hated doing it.
@jcjcjcjcjcjcful
@jcjcjcjcjcjcful 12 жыл бұрын
please check Vettel and Webber's team order in 2011
@Tom3294.
@Tom3294. 11 жыл бұрын
You do know that he would've said if he was going. You where just guessing.
@Balnazzardi
@Balnazzardi 9 жыл бұрын
Well luckily justice happened and Fernando lost the championship ;D...I would have been damn mad if he had won it with this "dirty" win. and now Alonso will most likely leave Ferrari without ever winning championship with them ;D
@Cyogenic
@Cyogenic 7 жыл бұрын
Strat you have poor English
@volcom1722
@volcom1722 7 жыл бұрын
Youre an idiot. And if you feel this is the only case of team orders like this youre terribly wrong and ignorant
@alvaro9830
@alvaro9830 5 жыл бұрын
Massa went offtrack in the start, whereas Alonso broke earlier to keep the car on track. So that´s an illegal overtake for me like they did with Ocon in Abu Dhabi and they´ve put a penalty every time this happens every year. Anyway Alonso lapped half a second faster in Qualy and drove away when they let him pass. Also Red Bull did something worse than team orders in Great Britain to Webber that year and no one complained, we had already seen team orders before with legendary drivers and we still see them today. Not to meantion Felipe was already out of the Championship battle and finished it 108 points behind Fernando, so there is no debate on that decision.
@Balnazzardi
@Balnazzardi 5 жыл бұрын
@Alvaro To me it wasnt so much about the team order, but how Alonso tried to "weasel" himself out of ANY of the questions regarding the team order even though the whole world had seen and heard what had just happened (he should have had even the guts and backbone to say something like Felipe did, cause there was no reason trying to hide what had happened, it was plain obvious for everyone who had watched the race) and acting like he deserved that win.... THAT to me was the most disgusting thing about this victory and why I was glad that Alonso lost the championship and never won it with Ferrari. Even MORE ridicilous was in Abu Dhabi how Alonso showed his fist in anger to Petrov, like what the hell, did he expect Petrov to also move out of the way like Massa did? :D Alonso was and still is great talent, but I never, NEVER liked his personality and I atleast won miss him now that he is out of F1.
@aghif1
@aghif1 5 жыл бұрын
@@Balnazzardi Agreed mate! :D
@InvinciblePie
@InvinciblePie 12 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa Someone obviously didn't watch Turkey 2010, Silverstone 2011 or Brazil 2011
@3dRoma3d
@3dRoma3d 11 жыл бұрын
Massa didnt get kicked out lol
@wezhawes3359
@wezhawes3359 10 жыл бұрын
Think you will find Senna was driving a Toleman.
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
your first affirmation makes me wonder...either you are french, or you are not a true F1 fan... but i do partially agree with the rest of your statement though... ...and Vettel won in singapore thanks to the retirement of Lewis, Fer with his 2 retirements was hardly the luckiest driver of the year was he ? yet he managed with a relatively in-competitive car to be spectacular and fight for the title till the very end... that s why i rate him my best driver of 2012... Avanti Fer 2013 !
@Boocho88
@Boocho88 12 жыл бұрын
Ferrari is the only team where the team is more important then the drivers thats why i love Ferrari
@Feca2
@Feca2 13 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa yeah we saw that in silverstone 2 weeks ago with Webber and Vettel. nice one dude!
@Harrison1420
@Harrison1420 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a shame they kicked him out of Ferrari.
@Cain353
@Cain353 11 жыл бұрын
The Gearbox wasn't OK. Webber said he could see it leaking. That's a little hard to fabricate. Furthermore, if it really was just a gift to Webber, Webber would have been the first to say something about it.
@gfaffy
@gfaffy 13 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa Vettel and Hamilton would never let the team give them orders because they are blatantly favored by them...just because Ferrari try to be sneaky at it and fail miserably doesnt mean RB and McLaren arent doing it too
@jellerijkeboer3789
@jellerijkeboer3789 11 жыл бұрын
It's still true!!!!! Teams are allowed to use teamorders since 2011!!!!!
@sejhedskongen
@sejhedskongen 11 жыл бұрын
Why would he? He is a fast driver, and a good driver?
@hannahxoful
@hannahxoful 11 жыл бұрын
I'm not disputing the fact that Fernando is a better driver because he is but the fact that there are team orders going on with Ferrari doesn't actually show Felipe's true potential as half the time they will never let him do better than Fernando
@volcom1722
@volcom1722 7 жыл бұрын
Hannah Andrews unfortunately they did let massa show his potential and he never lived up to his team mates which is why he was dropped. Massa even before his crash was very medicore, 2007 raikonnen absolutely destroyed him and he always made terrible mistakes eg malaysia 07 where he couldnt pass hamilton - started pole, ended 5th cause he kept fucking up
@ixuzc
@ixuzc 13 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa Mark Webber has even been given a similar order, and ignored it.
@KaiserBob99
@KaiserBob99 11 жыл бұрын
hamilton had a gearbox problem that race and retired.vettel didn't
@MikeNoran
@MikeNoran 12 жыл бұрын
Redbull in Brazil. I can agree with you on Button and Hamilton, great lads those two. However, Ferrari isn't the winning-most team without reason.
@LuxeXx
@LuxeXx 13 жыл бұрын
@CymruAmByth I have no problem with Massa winning a WDC. With the current way F1 has been extremely competitive, he might have a chance. However, he is not equal with Alonso. You have to give the guy who's won championships the benefit of the doubt. That's why I don't have a problem with team orders; benefit the many before the individual...
@csamaepejoan7214
@csamaepejoan7214 12 жыл бұрын
'Sebastian we have a gearbox problem' but after Webber gets pass him his car is Ok. Red Bull is cheating as well but not like Ferrari. They don't let everyone to notice it
@Rosvolainen
@Rosvolainen 11 жыл бұрын
What confuses me the most is why they replaced him with his identical twin with the same name. He might not have suffered a crash in 2009 but he's got no F1 experience on the other hand. Look at all those crashes!
@SadSmileX1
@SadSmileX1 11 жыл бұрын
are you being sarcastic?
@kynigh
@kynigh 11 жыл бұрын
If I was Massa my answer would be: I guaranteed my job.
12 жыл бұрын
I hated this Grand Prix.
@aljasaljoski4190
@aljasaljoski4190 11 жыл бұрын
That's why I love MASSA
@hannahxoful
@hannahxoful 11 жыл бұрын
Massa has been faster than Alonso recently though so that has no meaning at all. Team orders are bullshit and it just shows that the supposed 'number 1' driver isn't as good as everyone thinks.
@jrstudio07
@jrstudio07 11 жыл бұрын
That's the stupidest sentence I've heard all year! Team orders are not allowed for almost 10 years now, since 2003!
@MattMcDonnell
@MattMcDonnell 12 жыл бұрын
Haha lol Reporter is saying 'did u cheat' massa goes 'no...' 'u sure?' yes...' 'u sure ur sure?' 'I DIDNT CHEAT, ALRIGHT?' lol
@MrSiimon887
@MrSiimon887 12 жыл бұрын
I think that this ruined Massa as a driver, he will probably never win again
@sejhedskongen
@sejhedskongen 11 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah he have won the championship 3 times, but would he had one if Grosjean didn't crash into Alonso at Spa?;-). And also Alonso was great and better since Vettel had a faster and better car, Vettel was freaking lucky 2012.
@HugoStiglitz88
@HugoStiglitz88 6 жыл бұрын
If we're really gonna make the argument about who deserved to win because the other guy had a better car, then neither should've won. Hamilton is better than Alonso and Vettel.
@skmalaujitra9580
@skmalaujitra9580 6 жыл бұрын
now vettel better than both ham n alonso
@iamanidiotbut7403
@iamanidiotbut7403 5 жыл бұрын
Hugo Stiglitz Hamilton lost against Button in 2011 so i‘m not really sure about that.
@19megamustaine85
@19megamustaine85 Жыл бұрын
​@@iamanidiotbut7403Alonso also lost against Button in 2015 ,whats your point?
@vettelfan17
@vettelfan17 Жыл бұрын
​@@19megamustaine85 well then obviously Button is the best driver during this century then
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
(read the one below first) I hope that you are mentally fit to understand what i m trying to explain... Winning everything makes you successful, but it does t make you great... Vettel is more successful than Alonso, but Alonso is greater than Vettel. Gilles Villeneuve hasn t won a single championship, yet he is considered as one of the all time greats...
@jellerijkeboer3789
@jellerijkeboer3789 11 жыл бұрын
But in 2011 the teams were allowed to use team orders, in 2010 not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@SocFly84
@SocFly84 11 жыл бұрын
In truth he is both of those, while also proving to be an excellent second driver - as he shows by so diligently towing the team line in this vid. Sadly, as the view is here in Brazil, he will never be given a real chance to shine there. Maybe he is suffering from Rubinho syndrome!
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
...to avoid Alonso forcing to pass Massa...which could end up in a crash --> turkey 2010...
@Irfy21
@Irfy21 11 жыл бұрын
1.5s off in qualifying, not in the race where DRS is nearly a none factor, unlike qualifying back then when DRS was used throughout the whole lap. Alonso benefitted from every other drivers misfortunes, there was a table shown for it, he drove immensely, but it's not as herioc as made out to be. If it was on the other foot and Vettel did that, not much would have been made of it.
@trifio5242
@trifio5242 11 жыл бұрын
I couldn't watch it! Couldn't see his face - too painful.
@RajR96
@RajR96 13 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa mark maintain a gap, problem with the engine, jenson we got to save fuel
@tpf1ferrari
@tpf1ferrari 11 жыл бұрын
yeah te first istanbul 2010 and the 2nd silverstone 2011!
@Harrison1420
@Harrison1420 11 жыл бұрын
I was being sarcastic.
@yazanc7665
@yazanc7665 5 жыл бұрын
Is that crofty?
@amaanchaudz8358
@amaanchaudz8358 5 жыл бұрын
Frodaxx yeah
@WildfireX
@WildfireX 12 жыл бұрын
oh please the one team that dont do team orders these days are mclaren, they let jenson go flat out and lewis go flat out if they can, If they cant then its tough they cant. Lewis has been told to save fuel a million times, mclaren have stuffed his pitstops up all season, are they giving secret team orders for jenson? No, Lewis is just better than him, end of story. They race fair and thats what we like to see,
@mr.Ragers
@mr.Ragers 11 жыл бұрын
Not kicked and beating Alonso.
@sillver0100
@sillver0100 12 жыл бұрын
Overused comments fault.
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
If vettel was behind petrov in abu dhabi he would have had even more problems... This year Vettel proved himself in abu dhabi and interlagos as a strong driver, but hardly comparable to the miracles Alonso did in kuala lumpur and valencia is it? And the number of titles doesn t say it all, Prost has won 1 more championship than Senna, does that mean Prost is greater than Senna ? i don t think so... At last, i m not spanish but i do think that Alonso is the strongest driver out there right now..
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 11 жыл бұрын
Then why do you assume that i hate vetted?Open your eyes and read carefully before calling someone who has watched more GPs than you blind and fanatic. The fact is Prost has won 1 more title than Senna,and it doesn t make him greater than Senna, and that s it.You are the one who keeps using numbers so stop saying if if.. Has Vettel ever won a race starting from beyond 10th place ? no, and Alonso did twice. Vettel is surely the current most successful driver, but successful does not equal great.
@mhcblues22
@mhcblues22 13 жыл бұрын
lmao awkward for alonso... that was bullshit though, they cant be allowed to do that
@yanava
@yanava 10 жыл бұрын
Massa was a professional racing driver doing his job as the team told him to do. Ferrari made a mess of themselves with team orders, imo, though. Alonso is there for 3 years and all he did was lose 3 championships. Good thing Kimi will be back, might shake things a bit.
@volcom1722
@volcom1722 7 жыл бұрын
Moreno A. Hassem nothings changed
@RIPped
@RIPped 6 жыл бұрын
Ferrari blew the 2010 title for Alonso with one of the worst strategy calls at Abu Dhabi that year, and in 2012 it was a miracle Alonso was just 4 pts shy of the title in what was the 3rd possibly 4th best car on the grid that season.
@NFS2SE3HP4HS8U2
@NFS2SE3HP4HS8U2 6 жыл бұрын
4th, Lotus, Red Bull & McLaren were better.
@midguetsito1
@midguetsito1 6 жыл бұрын
Coming from 2018 Raikonen is the #2 driver :V
@Toku91
@Toku91 5 жыл бұрын
I don t hear you Moreno???? How many titles they won since he left??? 000000000000 If hi was in this seasins ferrari he wouldn t choked it like vettel does. Since he left nothing changed ;)
@Superduck7716
@Superduck7716 11 жыл бұрын
If alonso is faster...how come Felipe always has to LET him pass? lol
@bubi8894
@bubi8894 13 жыл бұрын
Cheaters. If Alonso is faster that Massa, he could've overtaken him by himself.
@andrew_official
@andrew_official 12 жыл бұрын
eeehhh, no ??
@TheFabulousOsammot
@TheFabulousOsammot 11 жыл бұрын
oh if numbers don't lie you want to compare milk face sebastian to senna and lauda...?
@Superduck7716
@Superduck7716 11 жыл бұрын
If Alonso is always faster....why is he always behind Felipe? That's the joke I was pointing out....thats all.
@iamanidiotbut7403
@iamanidiotbut7403 5 жыл бұрын
He wasn‘t though
@geurgo
@geurgo 12 жыл бұрын
oh,you must be right. now go count ferarris world titles and then count red bulls. thank you very much
@TheMegitto
@TheMegitto 12 жыл бұрын
@shibbidyshwa You really do believe that? At the end, the drivers will listen, fucked up as it is... If Vettel or Webber or... Get orders from the team, they take that. No doubt
@VijayKanta
@VijayKanta 11 жыл бұрын
..or Webber.
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