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Presumed Innocent Theories | Who Killed Carolyn? | Tommy, Delay, The Kids?!

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@Jairogliphx
@Jairogliphx Ай бұрын
Raymond health scare was TOO convenient.
@davidbonner9011
@davidbonner9011 Ай бұрын
Its the daughter and the son came to stop her but it was too late then they had to call the mom to help clean up
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Nice theory
@TeamSqueeKi
@TeamSqueeKi Ай бұрын
I love, love, LOVE the theory videos (and not just because you mentioned mine - though that was AWESOME.) I’m less convinced now that the kids are involved, TBH. Michael’s a creep, yeah, but it’s more like he’s just angry and talks a big game. I might be one of the only ones who’s starting to feel (kinda) bad for Tommy. Clearly he wants to make a name for himself. But when he went to Carolyn directly in a previous episode, and then in the last one when Eugenia said he gave Carolyn “the ick”, something about his demeanor changed. Still stuck on Marbles being the mastermind and Tommy being the fall guy if it all comes apart, but the ultimate twist would be Tommy turning on his mentor to exonerate Rusty in the end. Would also splain the missing rope and potentially carpet fibers from the cat tree (I think most of them are carpeted.) Ultimately let’s all agree on one thing - the cats are the real heroes here. Can’t wait for next week!
@Jay-e4g
@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын
@@TeamSqueeKi Looking at the ropes used on the victims, 3 or 4 strand nylon rope, maybe each, with various lope-knots like the kind used in boating, camping, towing, heavy-duty work. Does Nico own a boat?🤔
@TeamSqueeKi
@TeamSqueeKi Ай бұрын
@@Jay-e4gohhhhh damn! Great question! If anyone would have a status symbol like that, I think it’d be our boy Marble Mouth…
@Jay-e4g
@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын
@@TeamSqueeKi Just when I thought you may be on to something with Marbles (🤠) Tommy wears his early-days Bolo tie - Bolo’s are good when you can’t tie knots - and after he rips up Rusty, gets complimented by Nico, then while in his victory glow the poker winds up in his house, so I’m back to Kyle/Barbara did it 🤐
@LarisaBayaMomo
@LarisaBayaMomo Ай бұрын
I've never changed my mind more whilst watching a show 😄 I think it's the wife. The amount of emotional pain that woman is living with, yet she's still there with him.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
@@LarisaBayaMomo good point👆
@visualoo1918
@visualoo1918 Ай бұрын
@@LarisaBayaMomo I feel I say this all the time with shows but this one.. I’m topsy-turvy lol.
@lindaevans8804
@lindaevans8804 Ай бұрын
Cannot be wife
@helvinbacareza4033
@helvinbacareza4033 Ай бұрын
@@LarisaBayaMomo it’s totally the wife. I mean, look at the art for the series.
@SmcdMcd-d2k
@SmcdMcd-d2k Ай бұрын
@@LarisaBayaMomo if it was It’s not on her own/ it’s the same as the movie
@ShirleyWernes
@ShirleyWernes Ай бұрын
My theory is Lorraine did it. She found out that Raymond was having an affair with Carolyn too. Carolyn was all about getting ahead in her career and using any means to do so.
@TeamSqueeKi
@TeamSqueeKi Ай бұрын
She’s definitely been a little TOO invested from the jump.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Awesome theory!!
@drekezit55
@drekezit55 Ай бұрын
Finally someone thinks like me!
@maxxamillz2255
@maxxamillz2255 Ай бұрын
I like this one that didnt cross my mind but yea she def been way too invested . . . Mayb her and raymond together
@CDio1
@CDio1 Ай бұрын
Just stumbled on your channel, good constructive dialogue, well crafted theories. I think it was her ex-husband and her kid did it. The kid seems to be obsessed with his mom, making me think he’d go visit the serial killer guy in jail, and the dad helped cover the murder because of guilt of the marriage ending + hatred for Rusty.
@yguillenk
@yguillenk Ай бұрын
I think it was Carolyn’s ex husband.
@sashii13
@sashii13 Ай бұрын
Those last 2 theories blew my mind!
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Meeee too
@miiiiiiilk
@miiiiiiilk Ай бұрын
Ok hear me out. I was rewatching episode one and when the son came home around the 10 min mark and asked his dad why he was home, Rusty answered: "I went to Carolyn's memorial." and the son walked away sooooo awkwardly without saying a word. Then Rusty said: "Come on, show me a curveball". I mean how genius would it be if the son ended up accidentally killing her and Barb covered it up and that that is the actual "curveball" to the plot! There is more! When Barb and Rusty confronted Kyle about riding by her house, Kyle said he wanted to talk to mom about it. Also the scene where he is at the psychologist when she asked what he felt about seeing his dad enter Carolyn's house and he said "Worse things have happened since he went inside her house". 👀 Pair this with the bike scrubbing and BOOM that's a solid theory. I can see Rusty finding out at some point and he takes the plea deal of manslaughter and will go to prison for 8 years to protect his son.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Wowwwww awesome theory! This might be it. Be sure to join us for our Pre-Finale livestream 7:30pm EST Tuesday night. As soon as I see you in the chat we'll read this theory
@alexisbaltazar8958
@alexisbaltazar8958 Ай бұрын
But what about the evidence buried by Carolyn in the Bunny case? A lot of theories are ignoring this but it has to be one of the biggest hints about Carolyn's murder. I think the finale will show a lot more about Carolyn's life, including maybe some unsavory or secretive things she did in her work that eventually got her killed. Since Rusty was on the Bunny case with her, Carolyn's murder and the framing of Rusty has to be connected to the Bunny case. I agree with others that all the friends & family member hints are red herrings.
@visualoo1918
@visualoo1918 Ай бұрын
Oh shit, I think people are on to something with this kid(s) theory. We know Rusty’s kid rode his bike passed (at the least) that night, and that Carolyn’s son was recording outside her house…so, neither saw the other?! I don’t believe that.
@tyizzle80
@tyizzle80 Ай бұрын
Every episode it changes. Now I feel less sure than I did earlier in the season. Ive read the book and seen the movie and im still not sure. But I think one kid and one adult is involved just dont know which combination. I think its a reason the kids are being focused on so much. It wasmt like that in the movie at all.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
I like this take
@unlockevidence
@unlockevidence Ай бұрын
On a rewatch - I thought Barbara was looking at the case files of the bunny murder not Carolyn. But we hadn't seen the bunny murder pictures yet so you assume it's Carolyn.
@sandiesaunders1063
@sandiesaunders1063 Ай бұрын
I think it’s Eugenia . She was obviously secretly in love with rusty and for somebody that was supposed to be Team Rusty .? She surely didn’t do him any favours on the stand 🤔🫣
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Could be!!
@brandontart
@brandontart Ай бұрын
in the bonus material video barbara as actress smirked when she says "i think people are going to be really surprised who did it"
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Oh cool!!
@SDguy66
@SDguy66 Ай бұрын
If the show follows the book then you can look up who did it. The Original Harrison Ford movie adaption for the most part, ends the way the book does. Of coarse, the show runners can go in a completely different direction.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
That's what we are going with that they change it for the show - I know who did it in the book / movie
@cpmow831
@cpmow831 Ай бұрын
Well now we know her son researched her previous cases.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Yupppp such a good episode last night
@SilverScale.
@SilverScale. Ай бұрын
I'm lagging behind on this one but planning to catch up after The Acolyte and The Boys finales. Great discussion as usual!
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
@@SilverScale. thanks so much 🙏
@ceciliaeklund3604
@ceciliaeklund3604 Ай бұрын
The show has been renewed for a second season so wrong person ending up in jail would offer a cliffhanger and a great way to continue the story. Rusty will be condemn but the real killer is Kyle and then Barbara staged the crimescen to save her son!
@TheSportsandFilmFellowship
@TheSportsandFilmFellowship Ай бұрын
The show Your Honor shows the son doing it and the dad taking a fall for it
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Trueeee
@roddy7256
@roddy7256 Ай бұрын
just seen episode 7, hmmmmm u better do a video on that
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
It's out now! Go check it out and let us know what ya think
@JohnCamacho
@JohnCamacho Ай бұрын
EDIT: I just got to the point in the video where you mention Season 2 They're not going to make all those kids doing it. BTW there's a season 2 that got confirmed so I don't know if they're going to use another Scott Turow novel or if Jake and family will come back...in which case they're not going to make any of the kids guilty (unless it's Michael)
@JohnCamacho
@JohnCamacho Ай бұрын
In one of Scott Turow's later novels, Rusty comes back and is accused of killing his wife Barbara. He is a judge at the time and the events happen 22 years after the events in the first book (Presumed Innocent)
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Oh wow that's really cool
@TheDinger
@TheDinger Ай бұрын
The book (1987) and movie (1990) have the same killer. Would be cool if they did something different with this tv show.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
That's what we're going with
@visualoo1918
@visualoo1918 Ай бұрын
I’m back to feeling like Rusty’s son did it, was frantic and called mom, mom came up with the idea about the typing up like the case, and took the murder weapon and Rusty finds out and takes the hit. I definitely thought that was going to happen early with Rusty talking the fall, but they switched course and I thought never mind.
@HiThere-tv2bd
@HiThere-tv2bd Ай бұрын
Rusty did it. He has split personalities thus his reason for seeing two versions of everything when he's recalling events. Also they showed him as two Rusty's in the mirror when he was shaving last episode. But the biggest clue is Jake Gyllenhaal is not letting anyone steal his shine. He loves playing crazy characters.
@Jay-e4g
@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын
So too, his ghostly out-of-body stroll around the courtroom. 😮
@HiThere-tv2bd
@HiThere-tv2bd Ай бұрын
@@Jay-e4g Yes! Forgot that one.
@Tyd_tatt2q
@Tyd_tatt2q Ай бұрын
I think Rusty gets off because new evidence comes out to clear his name but incriminating a new suspect but it’s one of our regular characters. The trial next season is Rusty working with the state to try whoever that is.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Solid theory I like it!
@hossamali2649
@hossamali2649 Ай бұрын
Barbra like old movie😂
@macoye546
@macoye546 Ай бұрын
I think every single lead actor in this series deserves an Emmy Jake Gyllenhaal. Ruth Negga, Bill Camp, Peter Sarsgaard and Elizabeth Marvel all with amazing performances however if I would give anyone an Emmy it would be O.T. Fagbenle that dude is a chameleon, the range is ridiculous. If you could give only 1 of these actors an Emmy, who would you give?
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
That's a hard question, we will answer it next video coming out Wednesday- stay tuned!
@macoye546
@macoye546 Ай бұрын
@@sceneinvaders thanks for replying , I also wanted to add a partial theory , Nana Mensah ( amazing actress by the way) has had only a small role in the series so far but she is heavily involved in the promotion, It makes me think she has a bigger part to play in the mystery ,maybe her character did the murder to protect rusty in a way.
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
@@macoye546 interesting. Cool theory!!
@lumkamsomi2836
@lumkamsomi2836 Ай бұрын
Its either Eugenia or Rusty at this point
@davidbonner9011
@davidbonner9011 Ай бұрын
Its the kids
@macoye546
@macoye546 Ай бұрын
Has anyone watched the 1990 film version starring Harrison Ford wouldn't that give the clue to wudunnit?
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Yes we are going with they are changing it for the series, have mentioned in previous videos and will mention it next video for new listeners
@KaitlynMcCary
@KaitlynMcCary Ай бұрын
I bought the $5 membership to get the discord link but can’t find it??
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
@@KaitlynMcCary hey! All you have to do is dm me on instagram or twitter @sceneinvaders - if you don't have those social media sites you can email sceneinvaders@gmail.com - let me know which one you did and I'll send you the invite link. Thanks a lot 🙏
@visualoo1918
@visualoo1918 Ай бұрын
I commented (twice*) too early. Those last two, gdamnn people are out here with the craziest, but right in your face theories. I clapped out loud. Bravo
@csKiosk
@csKiosk Ай бұрын
I think Rusty’s WIFE did it! She was freaked out about the bike, i think the pic was the WIFE NOT THE SON! I think the son knows the mom did it and that’s why he tried to throw away the bike. I bet my salary on my theory !!!
@KaitlynMcCary
@KaitlynMcCary Ай бұрын
Episode 7!???
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
@@KaitlynMcCary dropping around 10am EST. I'll let you know if anything changes but it should drop then
@biggmonie
@biggmonie Ай бұрын
I think it's his wife
@killerjoshy863
@killerjoshy863 Ай бұрын
The book gives it away...
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
We're going with they are changing it for the show
@tuesdayschild8994
@tuesdayschild8994 Ай бұрын
The wife
@BMORETODAY
@BMORETODAY Ай бұрын
It was Nico or the daughter
@johnnyredux4019
@johnnyredux4019 Ай бұрын
Nico....no. A couple times, maybe three times, he raised good discovery points with Tommy, seeing if he followed up on factual leads that may point to Rusty not being the killer.
@Jay-e4g
@Jay-e4g Ай бұрын
@@BMORETODAY I respect that so I’ll call him Nico👍 but when the judge said burden not met for murder-1 jury instructions and suggested manslaughter Nico could only muster a no-way! grimace. BTW , I’m not a lawyer but what up with Rusty, the defendant, at that plea conference?? Seems like everybody clammed up. Then he asks for an apology 🤯
@sandrabrown5472
@sandrabrown5472 Ай бұрын
lol Has no one read the book or seen the film? Well, I won't give it away. lol
@loladiaz3534
@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын
@@sandrabrown5472 😳I have heard. lol. However I also heard that the killer will be different than the movie 🤷‍♀️
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
Yea we're going with they are changing it for the show. I know who the killer is from the book/movie
@antoniojohnson3925
@antoniojohnson3925 Ай бұрын
Rusties daughter is way too weird.its her
@daveclark8337
@daveclark8337 Ай бұрын
DING! DING! DING!
@antoniojohnson3925
@antoniojohnson3925 Ай бұрын
@@daveclark8337 it was so obvious lol
@sceneinvaders
@sceneinvaders Ай бұрын
What's YOUR favorite Theory?? We have time to do another one! Or just join us for the Pre-Finale Live Stream on Tuesday, July 23rd at 7:30pm EST. We will be live up until the Finale airs at 9pm EST. Hope to see you there!
@loladiaz3534
@loladiaz3534 Ай бұрын
It’s a date !!!!
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