The References To Past Mega Man Games In The Zero Series

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Mega Man Zero is the 5th series of Mega Man games, starting all the way back in 2002 with Mega Man Zero, and ending in 2005 with Mega Man Zero 4. This is my favorite series of Mega Man games, and this video I go through all 4 of the games, looking for and pointing out any references I could find! All the music used is down below!
Final Match - Mega Man Zero Collection
Theme Of Zero ~ Reploid Remix, Mega Man X, and Mega Man Zero
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Mega Man Zero OST
Infiltration ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero
Resistance ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero
Crash ~ Reploid Remix
Fake ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero
Intermission ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero
Guarder Room ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero
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Mega Man Zero 2 OST
Departure ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
Sand Triangle ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
Strong Will ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
Labo ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
Flash Back ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
Supreme Ruler ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Idea
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Mega Man Zero 3 OST
Reborn Mechanics ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Telos
Cannonball ~ Reploid Remix
Prismatic ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Telos
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Mega Man Battle Network 4 (Red Sun/Blue Moon) OST
Foreign Country
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Mega Man Zero 4 OST
Caravan - Hope for Freedom ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Physis
Esperanto ~ Mega Man Zero 4
Holy Land ~ Mega Man Zero 4
Iris Battle Theme - Mega Man X4
Nothing Beats ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Physis
Straight Ahead ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Physis
Falling Down ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Physis
Freesia ~ Remastered Tracks Rockman Zero: Physis
The References To Past Mega Man Games In The Zero Series
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@richardquinata76 6 ай бұрын

You actually missed one reference in Zero 1; the moment you get control of Zero, head all the way to the left. On the wall you will see the emblem for Sigma, which was most likely used as the danger symbol to warn that the Maverick Virus was inside.

@iMrQueso 6 ай бұрын

So true

@lordmonarch2995 6 ай бұрын

I thought they wiped out that pesky virus! Remnants of it is still there!?

@TwinbeeMint 6 ай бұрын

Another thing is the place that Zero has sealed and awoked by Ciel is the same place that Zero made his first awakening (When he destroyed almost all the Gamma Unit and Sigma has turned Maverick), the place is none other than Dr Wily's Lab.

@darshio8307 6 ай бұрын

Didn't know that :0

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

@@TwinbeeMint How do you know? Has it ever been confirmed by Inafune and Capcom? Also i'm pretty sure the entire world had completley forgotten of Wily for them to make the connection that Zero was his lattest creation so i'm pretty sure there's no chance this "Underground Lab" happens to be the very same seen in Sigma's flashback.

@picante403 6 ай бұрын

Bro Elpizo using Iris's last words against Zero is so messed up and this is right after he destroys his best friend's body

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

It's honestly diabolical, even if Elpizo or even Zero realize it at that point.

@EC_Orion 4 ай бұрын

God, Zero's final quote vs Weil always sends chills down my spine for exactly that reason. Narrative beauty, that. He finally figured out what he was fighting for.

@xuanathan 4 ай бұрын

Elpizo's line goes even deeper because the end credits theme, Awakening Will actually has a version with Lyrics, Clover, and it actually also references Iris, with Zero struggling to "Remember the name of that flower" so its very possible Elpizo awakened a deep memory when he said that

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

That's crazy, I never even thought of the fact that Elpizo may have accidentally knocked Zero's memory. But it actually makes perfect sense, seeing as Zero's memories are coming back slowly. Maybe Elpizo reminded him of Iris before memories of her really started coming back.

@dmtrsgrksrphl2501 6 ай бұрын

You can say that Harpuia Fefnir and Phantom were not only created with X's DNA but also with the Falcon Gaia and Shadow armors as templates

@samuelpounds1475 Ай бұрын

Poor Blade Armor

@baval5 4 ай бұрын

Megaman EXE: I receive: Your sword You receive: A bunch of viruses I dont want to deal with.

@neoqwerty 3 ай бұрын

It could have been worse, when Megaman.EXE crossovers with Boktai in the same game, Django himself crosses over and helps deal with the Dark Chip problem and becomes summonable, while all Megaman EXE gives Django is a Megabuster and a whole new issue with Shademan getting an actual body and hypnotizing Django's friends. At least Zero just got viruses instead of the mind-control superboss.

@LordofSadFac 6 ай бұрын

As a side note, in Megaman ZX you can find an E-Tank from the classic Megaman Series.

@Amirifiz 6 ай бұрын

There's also the W-Tank in that one room and a bunch of other stuff references where you get the E-Tank I know the Highway level is straight outta X1 and I'm pretty sure there's something else besides the whole Omega fight.

@Ixmythot 6 ай бұрын

A fun little reasoning for all of Zero 3's callbacks to the earlier games, is that Zero 3 was originally intended as the 'end' of the Zero series, hence why so many questions about Zero are brought up and answered then and there, with X finally fading at the end, and leaving the world to Zero, after revealing that the Mother Elf was finally freed. It's also easily why the final battle against Omega takes place within the ruins of the same lab that Zero was sealed away in, in Zero 1, to further connect the trilogy together, ending where it began. It's immense success....at least in regards to Megaman games, prompted Capcom to push for one last game, hence why Zero 4 goes out of it's way to finally end things fully.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I never thought of it that way, yet it makes perfect sense. Like why they brought Phantom back, to add more to, and complete his character.

@Davestar2112 6 ай бұрын

While corporate meddling and forcing a sequel is usually a bad thing, I'm glad we got Zero 4. 3 was a good climax for the Zero series, but 4 I think is the perfect end for Zero's character.

@sheetinthestreet5903 6 ай бұрын

Ends things fully...until Zero literally comes back as Model Z

@SongShiyu 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiemthere was a rumor that the dev got pissed with capcom and decided to kill zero off in zero 4 to prevent capcom pushing for another zero games. Idk how true this is tho, given that zero has came back from the dead multiple times in the X series. Most notoriously X6, a game inafune didn't know existed till it was released with it's own (some how palpatine returned) kind of explanation as to why zero was alive.

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

@@Davestar2112 I mean personally i would have loved to see a new Saga literally revolving around Zero and the remaining 3 Guardians leading a "Civil War" against Weil as it was originally intended before Capcom ruined that in favor of a rushed sequel. Having all 3 Guardians just die randomly because of Omega's explosion is EXTREMELY lazy not to mention unfair for all the fans who liked Harpuia, Leviathan and Fefnir and would have loved to see them alive and well in a direct sequel. Regardless Zero 4 did at least offer a satisfying conclusion to Weil's nonsense while also delivering an emotional ressolution to Zero's arc so i'm nonetheless happy that Capcom didn't totally ruin the Zero series with their corporate meddling.

@1erickf50 6 ай бұрын

11:31 Actually, Holy Land *mashes up both the Iris Theme and the X5 outro reference*. Esperanto is just an action-packed version of that same piano theme.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

First, yeah I meant to put an image saying that Esperanto uses the motif as well, but Imovie only allows one image at a time. And second nice edited pfp of X6 Zero.

@grayblacklight560 6 ай бұрын

All three of the zero games with EX skills have a fire-saber upwards slash, which is almost certainly a callback to the skill gotten from magma dragoon. There's other EX skills that resemble previous special weapons, like reflectlaser resembling the Gemini laser and a downwards ice stab resembling another X4 special weapon, but that seems like the most deliberate. Also, the 'ultimate' form in Zero 2 allows you to use charge attacks instantly using button combinations similar to certain fighting games - given this series history of referencing street fighter, I doubt that it's a coincidence

@sonsysy4195 3 ай бұрын

Fire upward slash is Ryuuenjin Ice downward stab is Hyuretsuzan The spinning slash in the air can also be referenced to Split Mushroom's Kuuenbu jump and Kuuenzan slash The rolling on the ground slash maybe in Zero 4 probably also has roots of Ensuizan from Rainy Turtloid in X6 Not sure which Zero number but I remember him having a Dash Stab move... It's a stretch but maybe you can call Shippuuga from Slash Beast in X4 as the inspiration?

@nikis7793 6 ай бұрын

Heat Genblem, Fenri Lunaedge, Pegasolta Eclair and Tech Kraken are possibly a reference to past megaman x bosses, Rainy Turtloid, Blizzard Wolfang, The Skiver and Squid Adler respectively

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

You know, Blizzard Wolfang and Fenri Lunaedge are really similar now that I think of it. Tech Kraken and Volt Kraken both want revenge for an allies' death.

@platinumpixel7819 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiemHellbat Schilt is also a reference to Dark Dizzy from X5

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem Also Herculious Anchus and Kuwagust Anchus from Zero 1 and Zero 2 respectively are _brothers_ with Kuwagust seeking revenge for Herculious's death very similar to Gravity Beetle from X3 been the brother of Boomer Kuwanger from X1 and also seeking revenge for his brother's death.

@Josh-qt5zi 6 ай бұрын

@PrimeShiem also popla cocapeteti fight in zero 4 use the same gimmick as burn rooster fight in x8 with the moving floors with the fact that cockat are part rooster and deathtanz mantisk from zero 3 and dark Mantis both Mantis theme boss release the same years 2004

@Josh-qt5zi 6 ай бұрын

@@javiervasquez625plus they are loosely based on the Japanese gods Raijin and Fujin with Herculious begin Raijin with mainly electric base attack and kuwagust begin Fujin using mostly wind base attack

@TWLSpark 6 ай бұрын

For those that want to experience the invincibility effect without having to suffer through the pain of collecting and grinding cyber-elves, you can just play the Zero Collection (not to be mistaken with the Zero Legacy Collection) and play the Easy scenario - you'll start with every elf effect, including invincibility. I honestly didn't even know that thing existed until I played that mode lol. Edit: Apparently, the Legacy Collection also has access to something much like the older collection's Easy Scenario, so you can experience that there instead. For the record, I haven't played the Legacy Collection so I had no idea. I've only played the DS collection.

@Marcy5080 6 ай бұрын

The Legacy Collection's casual mode also starts you with all the elves

@TWLSpark 6 ай бұрын

@@Marcy5080 Ohh, that's an infinitely more accessible option, then. I didn't know whether the Legacy Collection had that too, honestly.

@jruler93 5 ай бұрын

Casual Scenario Mode in the Legacy Collection is the same.

@TWLSpark 5 ай бұрын

@@jruler93 Someone else already said so, yes. Maybe I should edit that out to avoid repeated replies stating the same thing...

@jinyboi 6 ай бұрын

My man did 3 playthroughs of each game for this video. that's dedication

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yup! It's probably the most obvious in the Zero 1 and 3 section of the video.

@Davestar2112 6 ай бұрын

Something i wish we got in the Zero series was some indication that his memories were fully restored. It would have been a good use of some references to jog his memories. At least some of the more formative ones, like his time with Iris, when he "Awakened" in X5, one of his deaths, or just anything about the Maverick Hunters. Maybe have him telling the story of his life to Alouette after she asks him, with Ciel and some resistance soldiers listening.

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

According to an interview Inafune gave after the end of the Zero Saga Zero does in fact remember everything he forgot about his past over the course of the Zero series all the way into his final battle with Weil in Zero 4. The official song "Clover" which is meant to reflect Zero's inner thoughts as he's trying to recall his past memories serves as a canonical exposition of his inner resolve to keep going despite everything he's lost following the Maverick Wars (Iris's death included). You should look it up for it's both genuinely heartwarming and emotional while at the same time informative about Zero's mental state following his second awakening.

@yohhh6715 3 ай бұрын

I think his last words sum it well, "I fight for the people I believe in"

@javiervasquez625 3 ай бұрын

@@yohhh6715 Not his actual last words but close enough: _I never cared about justice, and I don't ever recall calling myself a hero... I have always fought for the people I believe in. I won't hesitate... If an enemy appears in front of me... I will destroy it! Ciel... Believe in me!_

@yohhh6715 3 ай бұрын

@@javiervasquez625 badass

@toumabyakuya 6 ай бұрын

To add to the comparisson of the intro stages of both X7 and Z2: Both stages also have Zero running from a giant Scorpion enemy that will become the Boss of the stage at the end and also has a future ally going with Zero to his HQ.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I never even thought of it like that. You even also have the threat of falling into a bottomless pit if you aren't careful.

@toumabyakuya 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem I thought of yet another comparison: Both stages start with a Main Character escaping from an evil organization (Axl is escaping from Red Alert; Zero is escaping from Neo Arcadia).

@yohhh6715 3 ай бұрын

But where does the lobotomized Aztec Falcon fit into place?!?!?

@toumabyakuya 3 ай бұрын

@@yohhh6715 Eh, nowhere. Not *everything* has to fit.

@newageretroplayer4856 6 ай бұрын

That intro is pure nostalgia. Considering my introduction to the Zero series is with that tune (which, by the way, is from the DS collection), pure, utter nostalgia. Like these references. Also, I believe both X and Zero did get MAJOR revamps to their bodies just because of the passage of time. I believe anyway.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was also introduced to the Zero series with the DS collection. It'd make since they got upgrades, as their bodies are drastically different than that of their X series designs.

@newageretroplayer4856 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem Which one do you prefer, DS Collection or Legacy Collection BTW?

@Natsu-jf6br 6 ай бұрын

me three also got first experience of the whole zero series on the ds collection 😁👌

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Honestly, if ZX and Advent weren't included, I don't know. It's actually a lot closer than I thought. Maybe its just nostalgia, but idk.

@kerryvanskonsol792 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiemif you don't realise every weapons star skill in megaman zero 1 and 2 actually memory zero using another weapon from the past against maverick, but saber actually completely changed because his original saber not shape like that but new saber zero made by light cutting edge but it's totally low durable but it's can be reshaped and fix same form like triangle shape but more sharp than old saber zero, but new zero saber can explode when he charge if you look zero Sprite smash attack to the enemy, you will saw explosion shattered saber can cause more damage to enemy not cutting, normal slash can only for cutting enemy

@vvlaze 6 ай бұрын

Additionally to the Copy X facts, though not outright stated, its implied the armor he wears in battle is the Ultimate Armor from X4-X6, as it features golden spikes and repeated use of the Nova Strike. He also makes use of a Sub Tank when knocked to low enough health on a high rank, calling back to the X series. The Sub Tanks are still in the Zero games, so it doesn’t stand out as much. In Zero 3, Copy X MK 2 gets a reflecting laser attack, being similar to the Gemini Laser from Megaman 3. If its a reference to an X series weapon, I’m unaware.

@RippahRooJizah 5 ай бұрын

I don't believe X ever gets an attack similar to Gemini Laser. Lasers, sure. Weapons that bounce off surfaces, sure. Not so much both.

@rejeneracion027rejeneracio5 6 ай бұрын

9:50 if you see in the background you can see a golden robot is intersting because is Anubis a boss from zero 1 and a foreshadow of the next battles and how is comeback

@juggi301 6 ай бұрын

I came here to write this

@hattoripool1533 6 ай бұрын

Im honestly shocked characters like Sigma, Vile, Iris or even some of the other maverick Hunter characters like Alia, Axl, Signas, Iris or even Colonel never had any named mentions by X or Zero in the Zero series. Most of those characters had the biggest impacts in their lives and they never really talk about it. Actually what ever happened to Dr Light or Dr Wily. We never find out what happened to the Light hologram after the X serious nor is it mentioned if he made Copy X’s Ultimate Armor (assuming X used to own that version of the Ultimate Armor) and for Wily it’s pretty obvious he’s still alive in a similar way to Dr Light (he’s possibly Serges and Isoc), Sigma constantly mentioned him in x5 in a boss fight. Like Light and Wily are two loose ends we never got in the series at All and it’s not confirmed if Light and Wily are even around by the Zero era

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I agree with you, these characters played such a big part in Zero's life, and the fact that they just go forgotten for the most part is honestly criminal in my eyes. And I don't understand why Wily and Light just dissappear in the series. I mean gameplay wise I understand, but story wise, I think Light would still be willing to help Zero.

@TheTwistedTreant526 6 ай бұрын

Specially Sigma

@TWLSpark 6 ай бұрын

Could it be that, for Light specifically, the energy he was using to keep his artificial conscience running, as well as the capsules, ran out after so much time? Kinda like how X used up all his energy after the fight with Omega, leaving him unable to remain on the real world anymore. It wouldn't be that weird of an assumption, even, considering that the entire world faced an energy crisis shortly after that the elf wars came to a close. On the Willy side of things, it's anybody's guess, really. Maybe he was directly behind Weil's ambitions all along, considering the similarities between them. They both want to subjugate machines and force them to do humanity's bidding, they both want to control the world, and they both have an obsession with Zero. In my opinion, though, he probably expired just like Light might've after the elf wars - he didn't have that much to keep on living for anyway, considering that Zero was sealed and his virus eradicated. Other notable X series characters probably don't get any mention because Zero is amnesiac, with it never being made clear if he ever recovered from that and to which extent. He gets some memories back situationally, yes, but more often than not they're just vague recollections. I'd like to think that his memories were completely wiped off after his death on Zero 4, but since I've never played ZX myself, I couldn't really say if that's true or not.

@duduvec5971 6 ай бұрын

Imagine talking about someone for over 100 years after their death just to say their name. That's how i think it would feel to mention them.

@PassingNeet 6 ай бұрын

"Weil" is basically wily. Aged, decrepit, insane, but ultimately still pulling the same shit. Trying to use his magnum opus, Zero, to destroy the world. Its not like Wily had a lot of named references in the X series either but he was there basically throughout, trying to return zero to his "Awakened" state. Doctor light, however, doesn't have a parallel.

@SophiaXiaoyuAralaCran 4 ай бұрын

I like how you admitted that at the last moment of the video, it seems Zero had finally found his own answers. Took years, but he actually pulled it off like a true legend! 🤟

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

Yup! One of the greatest moments for Zero's character.

@garchompelago 5 ай бұрын

The Zero series was my saving grace back then. I was just a kid and I experienced bullying at school. I got no friends. I played Megaman Zero series just to cope. Eventually I had to transfer school just to get away from the bullying. I played Megaman Zero alongside Pokemon Emerald and I managed to complete the hard modes of Megaman Zero 1 to 4. I didnt 100% clear each games though and I had to use a guide to find and fight Phantom in MMZ3.

@TyphloOmega 6 ай бұрын

14:12 You forgot to say that is sentence was already said by Zero at the end of Megaman Zero 1. BTW very good video😊.It’s nice to hear people talking about this series which,for me,is underrated.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

True, he doesn't exactly say that same statement, but there pretty close.

@GuiResend21 5 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiemIf you compare the Jap script of Zero last words in Zero 1 ending and Zero 4 final battle, you will see that are the same line.

@MisterPuck 6 ай бұрын

I never had the e-reader, shame how much was attached to it. Totally missed all of that stuff. Thanks for covering all of it!

@HelLDeWs 4 ай бұрын

i dont think most of the e reader content was even around in NA? they added it into the DS and later legacy collections tho

@MrVibbyyyyy 6 ай бұрын

You should keep doing these more in depth longer videos there really fun to watch

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I plan to! It's just that they take a while to make.

@knuxishere. 6 ай бұрын

I've been waiting for so long

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Hope this didn't disappoint!

@knuxishere. 6 ай бұрын

not at all @@PrimeShiem

@AlmarAZL9S 5 ай бұрын

I'm glad videos like this get made because I only know a few of these references yet there was SO MANY of them shown in this video! 👍

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Yup, that's why i like making them!

@mohdadeeb1829 6 ай бұрын

1:25 Mega Man 3

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

You're thinking of the Metall DX, which doesn't have the guns as legs.

@AquilusDesign 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video, some of these went straight past me completely during my two playthroughs of the Zero series, and this is coming from a hardcore Mega Man X fan and Mega Man fan in general

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, as i'm learning from the comments, a lot of references flew me as well.

@ashharkausar413 5 ай бұрын

This video was incredible! Ty for sharing!!

@thepuppet3000 5 ай бұрын

another great video good work my man!

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! hopefully Theres many more to come!

@MortimurGrimm 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. Most I knew of already since I’m a diehard MegaMan fan, but some I didn’t know of. Well done!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

No problem, and thanks!

@EvmationsYT 6 ай бұрын

Another amazing video :)

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, I'm glad you thought as much!

@Crystal_Shards 6 ай бұрын

I think that Omega's attack in which he is protected is the one from scratch in X8

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

The one he gets from Optic Sunflower? That could be true.

@cristiandobrota8370 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem Yeah, that's obviously Tenshouha from X8.

@MechanicalRabbits 6 ай бұрын

Megaman Zero 3 came out in April 2004, and Megaman X8 came out later on December that year. They couldn't have referenced a game that hadn't even finished developing yet.

@demi-femme4821 6 ай бұрын

You're right that it resembles Tenshouha more than it does Rekkouha, but it is supposed to be Rekkouha.

@ichduhernz 6 ай бұрын

Amazing references, i love the video!

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! im glad you enjoyed it!

@skunkface_ 6 ай бұрын

Herculious Anchus (red) and Gravity Beetle (blue) are both Hercules beetles, while Kuwagust Anchus (blue) and Boomer Kuwanger (red) are stag beetles. Stag beetles rivaling Hercules beetles is a common motif in Japanese folklore. Another modern example of this is in Pokemon; Pinsir is a stag beetle while Heracross is a Hercules beetle.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I actually never knew that. Japan has some really cool folklore, myths, and legends, which they clearly show love to with their media.

@Josh-qt5zi 6 ай бұрын

@PrimeShiem they are also loosely based on the Japanese gods Raijin and Fujin with Herculious begin Raijin with electric base attack and kuwagust begin Fujin with wind focus attack sidenote wind boss are considered electric type in this series

@Josh-qt5zi 6 ай бұрын

Also they follow the red oni and blue oni troops it especially common with the beetle brothers

@burner555 6 ай бұрын

>modern example >Heracross debuted in 1999 >Pinsir debuted in 1996

@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 3 ай бұрын

Rest in peace... Zero, the Legendary Reploid Hero X, the *TRUE* King of Neo Arcadia

@sebastiantrevino9121 5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for this video. I only recognized a handful of these references when I played all 4 games.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

No problem. Thank you for watching!

@deez69nutshuge 6 ай бұрын

thats some nice work bro, these are a lot of things that i didn't knew even tho being an acid fan of this franchise

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear that! Happy I was able to show you stuff you never seen!

@deez69nutshuge 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem keep up the good work bro, i love your vids!! 🙏

@Reploid.Jackson.88 6 ай бұрын

never expected to see a video filled of with I’ll admit a few Easter eggs, but they are interesting Easter eggs and that’s what I enjoy about this

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the Zero series was definitely short on references compared to ZX, Advent, and X5, but there were still some good ones here!

@edwinlee5145 6 ай бұрын

Never knew about Jackson from MMZ1! That's a neat piece of trivia for never using the elves!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's a col easter egg, just wish it wasn't so painful unlocking him.

@BassRockArchives 6 ай бұрын

absolutely impressive review I enjoy it a lot!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad to hear so!

@The_Dim_Vanced 5 ай бұрын

The attack where Omega summons a pillar of light is called Tenkouha I think

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

X8 wasn't released at the time, which is why I aint mention it, but it does look more similar to Tenkouha.

@natesaibot 4 ай бұрын

Awesome vid. I've been a die-hard Mega Man fan since 1992 and something about these Easter eggs gives me chills, as corny as it sounds. I adore this entire franchise so much and almost every incarnation of Mega Man played a special part in my childhood, so seeing these things referenced hits me in the feels in a weird way.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. While I am on the younger side, seeing these references is like a mix of excitement and surprise. It's awesome to see these games reference their legacy.

@iMrQueso 6 ай бұрын

Incredible video. I hope you make it big one day!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for blessing my future!

@ev_artwork6443 2 ай бұрын

There is one thing that wasn't mentioned but I think may be more an Akuma reference at the end of the day, but Omega Zero's ultimate multi-hit combo attack almost feels like a sly nod towards Zero's infamous insta-kill combos in the X games, which using a dash cancel technique just lets you avoid hit stun and drain any boss down to zero in seconds.

@PinBBro 6 ай бұрын

A little more blatant reference I’m kinda surprised you didn’t include were the images to classic Megaman in designs and enemies in levels. In zero 1 the first set of the neo Arcadia park levels contains the disappearing blocks from the classic series and x5’s sigma fortress, fitting as it’s also home to a devil model. And starting with 2 to 4, various classic enemies would get direct redesigns into the zero style such as the tellys in the form of tellybombs, or shotmans from mega man 2 showing up in zero 4. Also, the flying helicopter aircraft’s in this series such as the dragonfly mechs fefnir pops out of in 1 and show up as minibosses later, or the ladybug ships you hop across in zero 2, are a reference to the franchises tradition of having insect themed flying crafts, starting with the bumblebee mechs in x1’s into, or the fruit fly variants from X3’s opening. Loved this video as it’s nice to see someone else dive into all the fun references this series has!

@PinBBro 6 ай бұрын

Homages* darn it

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I didn't even realize, and honestly I'm kinda mad and disappointed at myself for not thibk of really any of this.

@PinBBro 6 ай бұрын

NAH don’t be! This series has so many little bits and secrets even I’m still discovering myself to this day so it’s completely justifiable you didn’t get to all of them in this video, I didn’t even know of some like the e readers or the remixes of x tracks

@danielwinchester1999 6 ай бұрын

Nice video man 👏👏

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙌

@chimericalical 4 ай бұрын

The very first section of the very first game is where zero was stored away in the ending for X6 where they stored him away.

@randomasianboy1966 6 ай бұрын

Great video, hope your channel grow bigger

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@FultonRecovery 6 ай бұрын

awesome video dude

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@sayachan6069 Ай бұрын

Interesting reference nobody in the fandom has picked up yet but in Megaman legends 2 there is a rook shaped reaverbot called Fingerii, now in the Megaman zero games there is an enemy type called a Metarook which has the same shape only with tank treads instead of legs but it could be a hint that it is a much earlier version of the Fingerii reaverbot down the Mechaniloid evolutionary line.

@PrimeShiem Ай бұрын

Oh, that's actually really cool! Man, I really need to play the Legends series at some point.

@matthewmondragon2074 5 ай бұрын

And I remember two things from Zero 3, both are battle of Omega, and one of Zero 1: The first one is of you look at the part of the lab Zero was, X and Zero look like heads and a piece of the gigant Omega was, seems like Dr. Willy's "W" sign. The second was in fact Omega was intended to be a MMZ version of MMX Zero, but due GBA limitations ended as a recolored Zero (but still make emphasys in lore). And the third is as I know, looking at Zero files from the .gba, there's a X vs Zero ost but as GBA, but was replaced to Fake.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

Ok, I missed the W during the fight (I wrote it in the script, but forgot it.) But the last fact is completely new to me, that's awesome.

@dwasp27moto41 6 ай бұрын

fan of megaman zero series and inticreates here! love your content!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear that!

@neonthunder3261 6 ай бұрын

The X and Zero series have a lot of great stories. Awesome vid for the first snow of january!

@rockmenx8xx411 5 ай бұрын

In the X series, Zero originally was a maverick who was defeated but shown mercy by Sigma and then Sigma taught Zero how to be a maverick hunter and introduced Zero to Mega Man X who would go on to become Zero's best friend. But, when Sigma turned maverick, Zero kept trying to kill him. Then in the Zero series, 1 of the 1st things that Ciel did when she found Zero was lie to him by telling him that his best friend Mega Man X had gone crazy and was killing innocent reploids. It wasn't until near the end of the game when she finally told Zero the truth. But instead of Zero being angry with her, he decided to trust her and support her for 3 more games. Zero didn't get upset all at over the fact that Ciel had lied to him and ruined his best friends reputation.

@neonthunder3261 5 ай бұрын

@@rockmenx8xx411 Granted, Zero's amnesiac as fuck too and barely remembered X. (Also, this might have to do with the Zero 1 script being rewritten at the last minute for X6, and thank god it was. X turning evil feels like an absolute bastardization of who he is)

@rockmenx8xx411 5 ай бұрын

@@neonthunder3261 Amnesiac or not, Ciel admitted to lying on somebody who was innocent, and Zero was said to hate evil.

@train4292 5 ай бұрын

@@rockmenx8xx411Aside from reploids, X’s reputation was still spotless for humans. Copy X focused on them after all

@rockmenx8xx411 5 ай бұрын

@@train4292 That still doesn't change the fact that Zero decided to trust and support a girl that lied to him and on his best friend.

@scarf3545 6 ай бұрын

Maybe this is not a big secret, but some of the EX Skills in Zero Series reference Zero´s past abilities in Megaman X4 - X6.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I literally wrote about it in the script for the Zero 2 section, and then forgot to include it.

@turobot8803 6 ай бұрын

That was great. Very informative

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you found it to be informative!

@krishnamahajan178 5 күн бұрын

Bro you deserve more love ❤

@jerppursh7570 6 ай бұрын

Great video. Honestly, some of the music references felt like a liiitle bit of a stretch but that doesn't hurt the video or anything.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Honestly, the only one I'm really not too confident about is Iris's battle theme, as I listened to both songs for an hour. And I'm pretty sure Straight Ahead sounding like Sigma palace 1 is more of a coincidence than anything.

@jordongutierrez1219 6 ай бұрын

Since you brought up music cues in Zero 3 you did miss two of them. The desert level play remix of an ending song of zero 1 and intro of Zero 2. The Neo Arcadia level where you fight Copy X has a remix of the final level of Zero 1 and the midway level of Zero 2. Speaking of the Latter; the first part of the level shows a screen in the background that has zero’s silhouette with “Warning” and the omega symbol. Might’ve been foreshadowing or maybe not but it’s Neat!

@JacksonTGG 6 ай бұрын

2:37 Ayyyyyy dats me

@carloscastropizarro 4 ай бұрын

Great video

@loyalcav1575 5 ай бұрын

In MMZ1 the final boss theme "Fake" had a high pitched version of the maverick theme of X1 in the background of the main melody

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

I can kinda hear it now.

@loyalcav1575 5 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem Same experience I had, saw a youtube comment pointing it out and decided to listen more to it. Now its plain as day for me.

@Kozmo-Kamuy 6 ай бұрын

Zero takes place after X5 X6 reroute the ending of X5 leading to X7 and 8

@bigmaxdxko 5 ай бұрын

Love to see you cover references in the battle network series!

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Once I complete the Battle Network series, I plan on doing it.

@bigmaxdxko 5 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem it’s a shame you’ll have to cover all 10 games since the version exclusives have some very minor differences.

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

what😭😭😭

@HyperDefective 6 ай бұрын

Wow, insane view count for one day. Nice job. Also noticed some pretty substantial improvements in your editing skills. Keep up the good work! Also, I just noticed something literally in this video that I had never realized before. The main melody of the song "Fake" from MMZ1 is the same tune as the MMX Boss theme, just without the key change. Edit: Rather, I meant the Vile/Bospider theme

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was caught off guard by the number of views myself. And thank you! I definitely tried some new stuff with this video. I had actually heard something similar about Tunnel Rhinos' theme and the Zero 2 base theme.

@turpinator 4 ай бұрын

Had to rewind and replay that part of the video.. thanks for using my Zerp image. 😂

@PrimeShiem 4 ай бұрын

Thank YOU for making the image!

@professor_turo_chadwick 3 ай бұрын

8:21 pretty nice easter-egg

@brandonwilliams6119 6 ай бұрын

There’s so many very cool references it’s amazing how many they were able to cram into these games, the Jackson Elf in Zero 1 I never knew about, and its so crazy how you have to go through all the trouble just to get it, totally not worth it. The E-Reader Easter Eggs are all great but the coolest one has to be Phoenix Magnion’s except the only way to see it is to get grabbed by his swooping attack, Bit not having a shield in X3 was always weird since the X5 intro and the Zero 2 Easter Egg depicts him with one.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the Phoenix Magnion attack is probably by far the coolest reference in the Zero series, and honestly, one of the coolest call backs in the franchise as a whole.

@Ghost_of_a_Zero 6 ай бұрын

absolutely amazing,

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@darshio8307 6 ай бұрын

Omg, i never noticed the leifmotifs of the songs in mz4, they are pretty cool

@mohdadeeb1829 6 ай бұрын

You forgot to add 12:50 this section is a reference to Burn DinoRex's stage.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Maybe I forgot that for a good reason.

@mohdadeeb1829 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem And the reason being?

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

@mohdadeeb1829 The level is pretty annoying, especially when Alia talks when the Lava is coming, forcing your death.

@mohdadeeb1829 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem Make a "What if Mega Man 1-10 Rms had Gears?"

@javiercampillay6045 5 ай бұрын

love this video

@maciejcocieto4361 5 ай бұрын

In Mega Man Zero 3 (and also in 4) there is an enemy called Shotloid, he resembles Shotman enemy from original Mega Man 2. It's the round robot with legs, big eyes and cannon

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

Man, it's crazy how many things yall find before me.

@i.p.t7166 6 ай бұрын

Nice vid 😁

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@LordMetalSonic1987 6 ай бұрын

Also, the Tellybomb enemies from Z2 & Z4 are based on the Telly spybots from Classic Mega Man.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I didn't even realize the Tellybombs were just a bomb version of the Telly's till reading the comments.

@AlloyAmi 6 ай бұрын

Good job on this! You brought light to many otherwise obscure references that even I am still finding today and its fun to see how much attention to detail they really put into these games. Heres some stuff you missed: the skills Tenshouzan, Tenretsujin, and Flame Fang/Shouenga represent zeros Ryuenjin from x4 as they are specifically only pairable with the flame chip and are directly showed side by side in the "red hero" trailer, along with Sharp Edge/Rakuretsuzan being a direct reference to Hyouretsuzan from x4 as well, as its specifically an ice chip skill. The trailer also shows rolling slash next to Kuuenzan and his dash attack next to Shippuuga. It all makes sense as Zero relearns his memories and techniques as the series progresses until his finale at zero 4 where he remembers everything and now knows what hes truly fighting for. Erase form is also meant to be a reference to the Shot Eraser part that you can get in x5 and x6 that erases shots with slashes. The Rise form references Zeros standard 3 hit upward slash combo from x6. Lastly, the proto form might not be a direct reference but gameplay wise is basically the same as how black zero works in x8 as they both double zeros attack power but decrease his defense by 50%. Edit: One bonus thing, but X7 makes a small reference to copy X in the zero nightmare ending, and this isnt the first time zero has had nightmares regarding stuff from different points in time. Before he had nightmares about the past with visions of wily. Now, hes having visions of the future, with snipe anteater's dialogue with zero also implying this saying "I see data buried deep within you... Is it memories of the future? Or false images of the past?", but zero simply dismisses it as nonsense and goes to fight him.

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Zero's ending in X7 has less to do with Copy X and more so his linger fear that the _real_ X could one day become a Maverick himself very much as it is brought up in X's ending in X4. Seeing as Copy X is a completley _different_ character to the original X it makes no sense for Zero's dream to reference a character who's yet been created.

@AlloyAmi 6 ай бұрын

@@javiervasquez625 that was the original intention to foreshadow for zero 1 but that idea was already scrapped for copy x by the time x7 happened so they dropped that idea. x7 also came out about a year after zero 1 was released which replaced the x going maverick concept with copy x so it was possible to foreshadow that now in the way they did. also it is possible to dream the future via an ability in fiction called precognition. thats why i brought up snipe anteater's analyzation which are directly refered to "memories of the future" and the events are similar to how copy x wanted to eliminate all the "mavericks" in zero 1 which consisted of innocents and he then was going to attack zero. same way zero can see flashes of the past despite not even remembering anything from then, hes now doing so but for the future.

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

@@AlloyAmi Yet the X from Zero's dream isn't simply trying to "kill all Reploids" but _anyone_ regardless of them been either Human or Reploid. Regardless of what Anteater said it's clear that the X in Zero's dream is the real deal after having either lost his way following years of fighting Mavericks or succumbed to the Maverick/Sigma Virus similar to how it can happen to Zero in X5. As stated above Copy X had yet been _created_ by an unborn Ciel so it makes no sense for a robot to get magical visions of the future about a character who looks _nothing_ like Copy X and is clearly meant to be his actual friend X where he to loose his way and become a Maverick.

@AlloyAmi 6 ай бұрын

@@javiervasquez625 the dream doesnt show or say that at all, its literally just x over a bunch of destroyed reploid bodies repeating eliminate the mavericks. again i repeat, the idea of a "maverick x" was ELIMINATED and wasnt followed through in zero 1 and was dropped for copy x. x cannot succumb to the maverick virus as he possesses perfect immunity to it. Zero is different because the sigma (formerly maverick) virus was directly made to correlate with zero by wily which is why awakened zero is refered to as zeros true self. and he doesnt lose his way, he becomes the messiah and savior of all, ending everything with the mother elf once and for all, and copy x is clearly established a good year from x7s release date so it makes sense for them to reference it considering how close the games released. so why cant zero get a vision of the future, genuinely what the contradiction with it? its literally consistent with his visions of the past and snipe anteaters statement. copy x is meant to literally be a copy of x so i dont know why they wouldnt look very similar to the degree that zero cant know yet and is just purely confused + the actual contents of the dream are very clearly a reference to what copy x does in the future.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I meant to bring up EX moves resembling certain skills from the C series, but forgot. However, I'd be lying if I said I thought about Zero "Relearning" his X Series skillset in Zero 1, thats actually really cool! Only reason why I didn't bring up the Proto Form, is cause X8 released after Zero 2, but I shoulda still brought it up as it matches Black Zero's colors.

@milesbbop9563 5 ай бұрын

10:06. Did not know this. Probably because I was not a Battle network fan. Still really cool.

@user-hy2qd7pq8r 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

No problem.

@user-hy2qd7pq8r 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem I hope that capcom will make a game about x this year.

@elrichardo1337 2 ай бұрын

wow evidently there's a lot more to these games than i thought i knew lmao

@BackPalSA 5 ай бұрын

You seem to have missed a reference in Cubit Foxtar's stage, Energy Plant. In the background of the boss room, there's a very obvious refractor from the Mega Man Legends series, implying or even confirming depending how you look at it, that the way to generate large amounts of energy in this era was at least partially through refractors.

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Oh, I never knew. I haven't played the Legends series, so sadly, a lot of the references to those games fly right past me when making these videos.

@TheLordsynfel 5 ай бұрын

zero 4 final speech not only references the question from x4 it also makes references to many dialogues that zero has with x when reassurring him

@SuperTHEcross 6 ай бұрын

Good job!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@emequaza5537 6 ай бұрын

Zero 3 has some more references. First, Copy X's stage in both Zero 1 and Zero3 are in an orbital elevator, a reference to X8 or Command Mission. While Zero 1 released before Command mission and Zero 3 before X8, the idea that these stages are orbital elevators was first introduced in a soundtrack released a month after Zero 3, so it's very likely that at least Zero 3's Copy X stage was referencing Jakob and Babel. Also in one part of Zero 3's tower, we can see other orbital elevators in the backgrouns. Neat! Also not sure if this was X8 referencing Zero 3 or the opposite, but in X8 we fight Sigma and Lumine in a throne room full of pillars, while in Zero 3 Copy X is also fought in a throne room with pillars. I don't think that's a coincidence considering it's in the same stage as orbital elevator in Zero 3. Lastly, Eight Gentle Judges transform from humanoid to monster forms, kind of like New Gen Reploids from X8.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Now that you mention it, in Zero 2, there's a large tower that resembles the Jakob Elevator in the middle mission of the game. Maybe that was some foreshadowing?

@KibatheMalinois 2 күн бұрын

Let us all not forget why one cannot forget about Zero after the events Z4, his most famous special ability from X6: HE CAN HIDE HIMSELF WHILE HE REPAIRS HIMSELF!

@MadDragonify Ай бұрын

Jackson in MMZ is of course a reference to Sting Chameleon and also the real life Jackson’s Chameleon, the same species that Fallout’s Deathclaws come from

@Tingletonttu 5 ай бұрын

Not mentioned: The games feature characters X and Zero, who appeared in Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Honestly, I enjoy MVC Infinite, X is really fun to play.

@colleshion9630 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

I think you'll enjoy this video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npOIjKiCnd3GY5c.htmlsi=2aQv5N7EKEF0LiPw

@colleshion9630 3 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiem oh. ... awesome. I'm just new here. Found your awesome channel just today.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

@colleshion9630 thank you! I hope you enjoy the video!

@yuuyakizami2133 6 ай бұрын

The saddest thing about the answer to that infamous X4 question. When Zero answered it, he doesn't remember Iris.

@javiervasquez625 6 ай бұрын

He does remember her in the official song _"Clover"_ where he outright mentions a "flower" which he cannot let go yet feels he should in favor of a new flower which is blooming (the titular clover). You should look it up for it's genuinely emotional while also informative of Zero's inner thoughts over the course of the Zero Saga.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Not only as @javiervasquez625 described, but Inafune also confirmed that by the time of Zero 4, he remembered the entire X Series.

@Hei_Darkfire 6 ай бұрын

I never noticed some of these. Specifically the similar music tracks. I also never noticed that Repliforce logo.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I'm happy that I wad able to show you some new stuff!

@TsukiZer0 5 ай бұрын

Actually, if you think about.... Z2's "Departure", Z4's "Esperanto", Z4's "Holy Land", Z4's "Freesia" and "Promise - Next New World" are ALL related to Iris' battle theme.

@koelitos-6885 6 ай бұрын

eu simplesmente amo essa franquia, obrigado por este vídeo!

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Eu também adoro a franquia. De nada!

@koelitos-6885 5 ай бұрын

When I was younger I must have finished each of the 4 about 80 times, I finished them all a week. I don't know what was going through my head as a child but I love this game, its history and aesthetics, everything about it really pleases me. I'm following your videos, even if my English isn't great, it's good to see your content. I bought the legacy collection to play on ps4, first time on ZX and ZXA and back on MegaManZero after 10 years! Thank you for your dedication and for bringing this game that is part of me and many in the world. I've played many old and current games, but Mega Man Zero... is another level! Another subscriber my friend!

@PrimeShiem 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Iv'e also been playing these games as a kid, and as you can tell, I love them a lot. I really appreciate the fact that your following my videos even if your not to confident on your english. I also got the Zero collection after not playing these games for a long time. Thank you once again!

@samfreitas1449 6 ай бұрын

Finalmente eu achei isso, caraca eu tava procurando por esse negócio de referências há muito tempo.

@samfreitas1449 6 ай бұрын

Mas tbm queria um q só mostrasse referência a Dr.Wily, mas deixa pra lá, pelo menos o KZfaq me ofereceu esse e vou ver ele até o final. Eu gosto muito dessas referências de jogos passados em outros jogos.

@samfreitas1449 6 ай бұрын

Thank You Very Much for this video.

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

Que bom que isso preencheu o que você estava procurando! Sim, eu tinha esquecido uma das grandes referências ao Wily. Thanks for Watching!

@AngelopsX 5 ай бұрын

Now that I'm playing Z3, the highway in the background at the start of the old residential area looks similar to X1's intro stage.

@AngerLus 3 күн бұрын

thanks for infomation dude

@KK-id3do 4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if someone posted this already or not, but to me, Omega's second form (the one where you're falling) has Omega's first in the middle, a head similar to X closest to the screen and a head resembling Zero furthest from the screen.

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, ngl, I always wondered what that form was supposed to be.

@Slimeballer21 4 ай бұрын

When you were talking about the ceratanium reference you forgot the fact that hard man is made solely out of ceratanium

@PrimeShiem 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, Hard Man would've made for a good example.

@TheGodOfGematria 6 ай бұрын

At 4:20 those blocks are found in the same level as blast hornets in MegaMan x2, the area is seen by the X Hunters as their hideout in cutscenes, and of course in Legends it's the Ruins.

@jruler93 5 ай бұрын

In Zero 4's crafting system, you don't need Ceratanium for the Double Jump, just for S-Crystals and Body Chips (like Rolling or Strongest). Double Jump is made with C-Hopper, Faital, GangaGun and GyroCannonH.

@TheExcarlos 4 ай бұрын

They don't make games like these no more. You can tell how much they loved the games

@uandresbrito5685 6 ай бұрын

Are these track references confirmed? I never noticed any of them. X5 Ending and Esperanto actually look very similar, but I don't think the rest are references. Even Hell's Gate Open and Express UG don't look similar to me. A more clear reference to Sigma would be the Remastered version of Enemy Hall from Zero 1. Intro is literally Sigma 4 from X1

@PrimeShiem 6 ай бұрын

I know that Sub Arcadias theme us a remix of Express UG (it's honestly easier to hear comparing the songs beggining) The Iris motif in both Esperanto and Holy Land was something I was listening for, and I could truthfully barely hear it. Yet I've seen multiple people say that they could hear it.

@SongShiyu 6 ай бұрын

@@PrimeShiemI didn't hear it in the pass till your video, then I finally got what ppl were talking about. For the sigma one, it's hard to hear since the reference is really really in the background instruments.