fun fact, the reason why irulan wears so many headpieces is to signify how she is/was/will be constantly trapped- denis mentioned this detail himself!

got what?

@@Super-wk6jx slang term for “good fashion”

@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an well as my slang was in this meant something completely different....

@@Super-wk6jx do I wanna know?

@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an we leave it there :D

Jesus, she's trained by the Bene Gesserit. What do you expect? All the princesses and nobility in the Dune world have been trained and prepared for their roles from birth. VOICE training, combat training, internal control of body functions, political manipulation and so on. Nothing is left to chance when the stakes are so high. Read the books!!! You'll get a much deeper insight into the Dune universe.

Frank Herbert made Irulan assertive. At least she is in the other books. In the first one she barely exists.

honestly she's a perfect cast. In the books she's described as this beautiful princess but that's assertive and even has a slight 'bitchyness' or sense of entitlement, and this actress portrays that perfectly

Irulan is one of the most interesting and human characters in the second two novels. She makes some bad decisions (that aren’t entirely her fault alone) and then atones and bears her ‘unnecessary’ or somewhat humiliating function as figurehead with a lot of dignity and becomes a great historian among other things. She’s never really been a frivolous person in any version of the story.

​​@@mb7626also most innocent because she was forced into all of this just because she was daughter of emperor and she also wasn't a very good bg too making her just a pawn used by big big players

Especially that chain mail one at the end I mean that looks cool

She looks like she’s wearing a badly constructed chain-link fence

Not really, but do hope costume designer on Dune is nominated for an Oscar... the wraps are astonishing.... All three women not in Stil suits had fantastic costume... the Stil suits were magnificent... incredible costume design!!!

Facts, I think she had some of the best costumes in part 2, simple but powerful.

No

Good observation

But irulan was always a pawn to the BG and to the imperium. In the book she is always treated like an idiot by others

She was always the pawn who got used by bene geseret her father and later on Paul her arc is very sad she was innocent in whole thing

Did not think of it that way. There are so many layers to the film and how it conveys things. Unfortunately it's not always all that accessible. I feel like you really need to read and understand the books to pick up on a lot of the visual cues they put throughout.

I think a lot of people underestimate how symbolic costuming and hair tend to be in media, Irulan’s outfits becoming more elaborate yet prison-like were definitely intentional. The costume department for sure put a lot of thought into it.

In the book she is not like that at all, she said to be slow and naive by others and she isnt an advanced BG

In the books at first she is described as lazy only kept in the order for her position. Then she betrays Paul trying to prevent an heir, but later repents and tries to make amends. If they follow that plot it will put Irulan right in the center.

Yeah in the books it's said that Irulan wasn't very adept with her bene Gesserit skills because she never really tried. She was a lazy student and the sisterhood never pushed her to be better because her position as crown princess is all they needed from her. Here in the movie it seems like they're trying to make her equal to Lady Jessica and I wonder how that will play out if we get a third movie.

Not smart enough for either Alia or Paul.

if Messiah starts as the book, We're gonna have a lot more iconic Florence stuff

Are there other children of the emperor ? Didn’t read the books.

You sound like you're unaware of what happens with her. And also what the Bene Gesserit planned for her all along. Irulan doesn't need much sympathy. She's Bene Gesserit and was never going to rule. The Bene Gesserit themselves never planned for it. Irulan's destiny was always to be a manipulator of men in power, same as all Bene Gesserit. In fact, the role the BG envisioned for her was to control and manipulate the Kwisatz Haderach that was intended all along to take the throne from House Corrino. And that's _almost_ exactly what Irulan got. She did indeed get the KH as her husband and emperor, but the KH ended up being a man neither she nor the other BG could control...

@@ryanmussell739 He has several daughters. No sons. Which was essential to why he decided to try and destroy House Atreides. Shaddam IV has no sons because the Bene Gesserit woman he married made sure not to give him any. The Bene Gesserit planned for House Corrino to lose the throne all along. They installed a Reverend Mother as Shaddam's advisor, had another Bene Gesserit seduce and marry him, made sure he only had daughters, and indoctrinated his eldest daughter Irulan into the Bene Gesserit, intending to make her more loyal to the sisterhood than to her own House.

@@CognizantCheddar This guys speaking facts rn

And her on screen chemistry with Tim is amazing. You have to watch Little Women.

@@c.l.m.4726 I know! I'm a big fan of both! And I love amy and laurie 💕

Denis does not write poor scripts

🤦‍♂

I did not like what he did with Chani at the end at all. It just rang false to me.

He completly ignored the ending of the book and the subsequent books of this universe to do what? To have a blond nobel princess at the side of Paul instead of a "brown" fremen. It strikes me as racist change. At least we know the following: Part one pictures part one of the original book accurately. Part two deviates from the book in major points. Part three will be a complete invention of Denis Villeneuve.

Not really. just say you're a fan. Every major actor in this movie is compelling. Florence hasn't had the time to be compelling. She has a great voice! Dune 2 is Paul and Chani with Feyn and Paul's mother Josh and Javier... everyone is sooo good

She'll really shine in the next movie

The fact that you think Paul is the villain is a testament to how horrible of an adaptation this movie was. Denis failed every single character on a level that exceeds the 1984 and the Sci-fi TV show, he just made his failure look pretty.

@@jimlamb7642 Salt!

@@PaulCodio8 Pepper.

Yeah that was a bummer not getting to see the wedding! I also wanted to see that.

@@c.l.m.4726 there is no wedding in the books lol

Man I haven't seen the name Mists of Avalon in a long while. That unlocked some memories I forgot I had. And yes that would be very cool.

She really is. 😍 Excellent choice for Princess Irulan!

Maybe. But make no mistake. Florence Pugh is a princess in her own right.

@@LukeKetchum7003 Virginia is the Galaxies most precious resource

More like a granddaughter considering the age difference.

even Rebecca Ferguson

Zendaya had one expression the whole movie: Skeptical/Angry-Pouting.

In what world. She barely had 5 minutes run time

Nah no woman can beat Rebecca Ferguson!!!

I understand about Rebecca Ferguson, but it's just a biased opinion that Florence was better than Zendaya.

Ikr, Jessica was. But I guess it's only fair that Irulan is depicted as Mohiam's most acute student as Mohiam's truthsayer to emperor himself and spent more time with Irulan than any other of her students

It made me laugh too. In the books, Irulan is depicted as dumb compared to the average Bene Gesserit.

Correct. Irulan was a genius in many ways, but was referred to as a failed Bene Gesserit.

Denis has totally moved away from the books story. He's already made big changes and more to come I expect.

@@c.l.m.4726 Yeah. Didn't appreciate the ending of the film or how he treated Jessica's character. We shall see what happens in the next film.

I don’t think it I could be said she was a pawn. Even though she was never fully in control of the situations around her she still served as an important advisor to Paul and Alia and was the in universe reason why Paul’s legacy was carried on

@@avarielle1582 She was a pawn for the bene gesserit and Paul saw her as nothing but a tool to use. Only after Paul was gone did she see the truth of the bene gesserit and ignored their orders and started to be Paul's historian.

His son

Direct line to the emperor?

In the books she was referred to as a failed Bene Gesserit experiment. In the books she was a historian chiefly, she did conspire against the Atreides unsuccessfully, was forgiven and became a loyal part of that family and a caretaker of sorts to the younger children.

@@mikedeck8381 so when you mother is actually that one aunt but in reverse?

Yeah I suppose. In the books her nephew ends up having seven kids with Paul's daughter Ghanima.

I think all will be revealed in film 3!

Do you ever see women in real life and not on screens?

@@briskettacos Lol. I can see my wife every day. And my wife looks like a princess much more than this actress

@@oleksandr2234no one cares about you or your wife

@@avarielle1582Wrong. @briskettacos cares :D

@@briskettacos let’s be real, Florence Pugh was bloated and wrinkled in this movie. No surprise as everything I’ve seen of her behind the scenes she is a gross girl, saw one interview of her talking about carrying around deodorant to not be smelly, cursing like a sailor and pulling stale dog food & poop bags from the bottom of her purse while rocking a gross unshaven upper lip. Her hard living is catching up to her fast for being only 28. Hollywood doesn’t cast beautiful people with class anymore. She is no princess, more like queen of the chavs.

She was barely in the book.😉

Stilgar was barely in Dune 1 but had a huge role in Dune 2. Irulan will have tons to do in Messiah.

@@bubastis6306 Yeah, like slipping Yaz in Chani's food every chance she gets.😅

Ok?

She would be a formidable Empress along with Paul and providing hims with heirs would be her duty. In that world chani as a concubine would fit in well. in the books she already had twins with paul which set up the next book.

seeing her storm off and the look on her face was silly and bad writing.

She's playing the character. She's only in the film 10 minutes so nothing there to judge yet.

@@c.l.m.4726 Of course she is playing the character e.g. even though George Lucas wanted the Actors in Star Wars to be rather bland they still added some nuance and uniqueness to the characters.

@@johnwayne2103 yes but they were in the films for more than 10 minutes. In the first 10 minutes of Star Wars Luke was just a whiny brat and didn't do much at all until they reached the Death Star. You should judge Florence at the end of the third film.

HAHAHAHA

she couldn't even read the lines correctly :(

Eye of the beholder, it would seem.

pin of shame

I agree she’s kinda mid, I’ve seen her bikini pics it’s nothing special

that s one of the points. A queen doesn't have to be ravishingly beautiful. it s all about her power and influence. it about balance. even tho she is so powerful. somethings were out of her control. the beauty. god wasn't kind when it comes to her beauty. there are more common girls who are more beautiful but without power. no one get everything..

Another person who does not understand Herbert’s work

@@zzz7103 Clearly you were looking in a mirror when you typed that, dear

Muh wokeness

@@melissag1364 "my" - please learn English, please.

Another sheep who sees wokeness everywhere. You're in the wrong place, go back watching nerdrotic and critical drinker videos where they say the same things over and over and over again like broken records.

Unfortunately no one bothered to consult you in the making of the film because your opinions are unimportant and irrelevant