He is so funny I feel he is always like: "Well, look at that I may win... how interesting and surprising"

+Hej Svej What card are you referring too?

+David Smith Thoughtseize.

pirate0bloodyskull It's not that OP, information is a really important part of the game and if you can keep it safe or try to outsmart your opponent that way then you can start to become a better player.

How is it OP when you can make a deck that can do the same thing?

Jaycee Hampton its. Op because everybody uses it so now if you don't use it your at a huge disitvantage

its a really good tactic, however. You dont want the other player to be able to guess a card to be discarded at random and pick your best spell. If you keep them all in place, the other player might know where in the hand a card might be, and play accordingly.

Riptose13 The flicking however is unnecessary and obnoxious. It is a tactic to break your opponents concentration but you can randomize your hand in a quiet manner and you do not need to be doing it constantly either.

Riptose13 name a standard card that causes you discard at random that anyone plays.

Keith Filibeck Black cat...

Archangel72985 Thats not why the majority of players do it. It's actually a concentration tactic FOR whoever is doing it. If i'm hand shuffling when i'm "f6'd" on my opponent's turn, it isn't because i'm trying to disrupt my opponent's play; it's because i'm thinking and it's something to do. when taking a test such as an ACT or an SAT, those providing the test will often give advice as to things to do to firm up your concentration; little vices to channel your attention through while you are thinking by stimulating multiple parts of your brain at once. Hand shuffling is exactly one of those vices for magic players. In my case, i try to even get a rhythm going; but maybe that's just because i play and listen to a lot of music. I have to assume cards hitting each other is a pet peeve of yours, which is of course something you're aware of better than anyone, but please don't assume or lead others to believe players with real proven skill (not nearly including myself in that category) would have such a lack of confidence in their play as to use such cheap tactics. This is the ProTour. Pen tricks and Heart of the Cards don't get you there, and if they did, the people who are actually good at this game would very easily clean them off in when things really start to get rolling.

Meaning Mike's life total doesn't matter to Ivan.

I shouldn't say suck, I should say don't work as well.

fortunately the blue black is very much a competitive control option.

Sadly that is no longer the case in 2016. Control feels dead.

Control just won the pro tour lol

A midrange kinda deck that's heavy on big creatures and removal, we don't have a "classic" control deck with a decent amount of counterspells and raw card advantage along with sweepers.

He knows what he likes

Huh... good eye. I guess I missed that.

He didn't. He discarded it to activate the Prognostic Sphinx's ability. It did look like he was countering Sigrist's spell, but he was just showing that he was using the Sphinx's ability

thanks

Yeah... He was playing around Abzan Charm putting 2 counters, but there's a maxim new players need to exercise 'Always Makes It Have It'

i thought what was even more bizarre is that at 25:40ish Sigrist put all 3 plus one counters on his Herald. If he had put one on Herald and one on both rocs, plus 1 sorin and each would able to kill sphinx outright without trading, as well as having 8 damage get through no matter what.

legendary rule changed. Now both players can play legendary creatures at the same time.

ok that wierd tho theres only 1 urborg.......

Jacob Robinson Because he is one of the best control players ever.

Which doesn't kill half the cards in Abzan Aggro

TheMissthebus well now we got crux of fate which is awesome

DeanGuitarsForLife! as a U/B control player, Crux of Fate is pretty bad. the fact that it cant wipe a whole board and is five mana is just so bad. Hoping Wizards makes a better boardwipe

ozfan6 The thing i hate about vault is that it wipes your walkers and my deck using walkers as win cons

i run 1 PLA 2 ugin and 1 Ashiok.

he wasn't countering with disdainful stroke, he was discarding a card to given his sphinx hexproof per its effect

Ohhhh I see thank you.

Floch had an Urborg in play.

It's a tick

@@Turn2Ugin It's not. A tick is a physical compulsion. Hand shuffling is learned and practiced and is 100% intentional.

@@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING i guess, just seems like every dude i know who does it is somewhere on the spectrum.

@@Turn2Ugin I definitely believe that but that doesn't make this an autism tick. I believe people see pros doing it and they want to emulate it and perpetuate it.

@@Turn2Ugin I know people who learn how to do it just to piss people off in tournaments.

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thank you

You won't see any of them at least until the new set, temur are just not good enough at the moment (which is sad actually)

i liked them pretty much.....but well i am not playing on that level :)

All I have to say to you is Hymn to Tourach.

DeanGuitarsForLife! if u would play on such a high level, with money on the line, u would love to do that for the stress reduction

DeanGuitarsForLife! Basically, they do it either as a habit or stress release. Thousands of Dollars on the line, you'd do it too.

Víctor de Croy Dude, chill. Can't change someone's habits. And besides, it's better to do so anyway.

Jaycee Hampton no it's not better a little ok a lot is just annoying

I get close being kinda bad from a viewers perspective as it isn't always clear what it does. But why is thoughtsieze uninteresting _or_ annoying?

@@modernminded5466 it’s been an insanely powerful card since it was released and an auto include in any blue/black control deck. 1 mana to view your opponents hand and take their most powerful or useful card is an insane effect, and similar effects cost 2-3 mana more. I recall on multiple occasions pros stating that the person who casts thoughtseize on turn 1 was just straight up way more likely to win. My playgroup has two people who use the card regularly, and for me it’s become one of those cards that just makes me sigh every time I run into it.

@@Sarpro72 Ohhh, clones of thoughtsieze. Thought you meant clone effects. Well, yeah, it's pretty good, I guess. It was certainly a tat over-pushed in standard, but it's a pretty fragile card in many senses, and one of the most "sideboarded out" cards in any deck that runs it. It's pretty important, though, in certain formats. It's one of those tools that allow durdly midrange decks to compete with insanely fast combo-decks.