Thanks Rael, yes she can be a tough partner but all part of the process. I'm stoked that you managed to get past your awful experience and are keeping the shunting spirit alive and developing your craft! Look forward to seeing your new boat, keep up the good work!

Thanks Dan, appreciate the support!

Thanks, she’s coming back together. Not long now!

Cheers for the support Guy, yeah the only way is to push on despite some hiccups along the way. I always knew this wouldn't be easy going so no use complaining too much!

Thanks Mat and Jo! I just discovered your channel and looking forward to diving into it. Really enjoyed the sail on Little Wing too!

Thanks Fuzzy!

Thanks Dominic, stay tuned!

Thanks mate, sometimes that’s the only option. I believe that Proas are a worthwhile experiment and one of the next frontiers in performance sailing. I knew from the start it was going to be a difficult process but I’ve never liked following the crowd.

Thanks Tom, slowly but surely getting there! How are your projects going??

I’m getting there, similar story to you, really hard to make videos, work and do boatbuilding stuff at the same time! The moth is currently working, but I’m going to try and get my old high lift foil into the new boat because it’s got a small one in there at the moment which is fast, but struggles to lift my 120kg into the air. I need to get the rigging for the trimaran project out and get it all measured up for the rigger as well, hopefully I’ll have that on the water soon. Maybe one day we can have a weird multihull race!

Yeah its a battle sometimes but glad you are pushing on with it. I am regularly tempted to get another boat like a moth or beach cat just to have something easy and fun to get out on. I really have to remind myself to stay focused! Definitely keen for some kind of weird boat race!

Thanks Greg, glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks mate appreciate the support!

Yeah I always knew it wasn’t going to be all smooth sailing 😆 Absolutely keen for you to come along with some camera gear, it’s really hard to get good footage when you’re on your own. Should be well and truly up and running by then and maybe even looking at the next step to a larger build. Keep in touch and let me know when you’re over this way!

Thanks for the support and observation recidivist, yes may have gotten a bit carried away but I think I managed to test each variable reasonably effectively. Once she’s back in the water I will concentrate on just different rig options so should be a lot simpler!

Thanks TC!

Yes some thing a bit different 😉 sometimes you just have to follow where your brain takes you!

Thanks Zack, just had a quick look at your channel, interesting stuff I look forward to having a closer look!

Thanks for the encouragement Trevor! Yes it’s definitely a different kind of project but I seem to be attracted to doing things the hard way but wouldn’t change it. Thanks for the offer of a donation. I am beginning to realise that I probably won’t be able to achieve what I want with the limited resources I have available. I am thinking about starting a Patreon account. Is this something you would be interested in signing up for? It would also be a good motivator for me to get more regular videos out. Anyway feel free to send me an email anytime. Hello@evergreenboats.com.au

Thanks, I'm really happy with how she's cming together again now!

@@MattTucker I was reading this and found something similar ... Tripod rig.. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/www.ayrs.org/repository/AYRS112.all_A5.pdf

Me too!

Thanks Aheitchoo, I’m not an engineer just something who thinks too much! Yes that’s definitely an option. There are many configurations that’s should and could work, I guess my main consideration was simplicity in terms of less parts and more simplicity of shunting, if I’m not happy with it though anything is on the table right now try. The boat is very close to being back in the water with some significant upgrading of the rudder system so I’m hoping I can really give her a good test and try the hydrofoils. I’m definitely keen to get her alongside another similar sized multihull, a Nacra 5.8 or similar should provide a fair assessment of relative performance.

Thanks Tom, just looked up the Everglades Challenge and the Proa that completed it. Very cool! Another thing to add to the bucket list with R2AK 😄 You hit the nail on the head with the Dinghy. I designed it to be very stable with good load carrying and it is very light at around 30kg. The idea is for it to be suitable as a Tender that is easy to pull up and down off the boat and easy to row or put a small outboard on or an expedition rowing/sailing boat for people that aren’t as confident or just don’t like to be tipped out!

@@MattTucker A few connections in case you are not already wired up to them: First, there is a very impressive proa in Taz called Sidecar, in YT search "Sidecar: A Modern Pacific Proa" on channel 'Hell-Bent FPV'. Second, if you like the look of the Everglades challenge also look up the Texas 200. There is a very fun article in the Small Craft Advisor blog about it. BTW I think Watertribe who run the Everglades event, have other lower profile adventure races (in the US). I cant be sure but the 2023 EC seems to have been fairly benign with fewer dropouts than is usual? There is a good video on the channel 'Tula's Endless Summer' of them sailing their new build CLC double outrigger on the challenge. The proa Drama Queen flits past around the 40 min mark. Third, the R2AK! I know of two proas that have entered (I may have missed others?); Pure and Wild designed by Paul Bieker in one of the early editions and another that was skin on frame construction. I don't think any have finished yet. I have to say that IMO the course of the R2AK has got to be on the hard edge of extreme for a proa. Unsteady, gusty gales, narrow channels, swirling tides, katabatic slamming gusts, brutal sea-states. The probability of a proa being caught aback, multiple times, has got to be over 0.999! But as a race it is definitely something to aspire to enter and complete. Re the dinghy, your problem is to hit the spot where folk are itching. I do think there is a developing niche for boats that women feel fits their strength, weight and sailing ambitions. But they are often far more cautious in flashing the cash! Not needing a guy around for heavy lifting is a big plus for them. And make it super quick & simple to rig, launch and sail. Maybe you could dream of a group of women racing and cruising them from a club slipway? Around here (UK) it seems everyone who doesn't have a rubber duck or a big RIB has a 'Walker Bay'. Cheap and indestructible, row OK and sail oddly well to. Utterly no maintenance required. Here in the UK the sun takes maybe 20 + years to rot the plastic. Having developed your product, your real problem is going to be marketing. If you haven't got the brain for selling stuff, I suggest you link up with someone who has! Its a tough gig.

Great info thanks Tom, I had seen the Bieker Proa but not the other R2AK one. It definitely bring unique challenges but I think there's definitely for a Proa designed with that race in mind to do quite well. I am a little biased though ;-) I have sailed on Sidecar with Rob a few years ago, she is a superbly built and thought out boat. I am keen to catch up with him again now that she has been modified and improved upon too. I agree on the Dinghy front, it's a tough sell, especially given that the costs are always going to be higher for small scale and eco products. At this stage I am just sitting on it and will talk about it and develop as I get the time and money. In the current economic climate I will not be quitting my day job and going all in anytime soon so just need to manage my time and energy.

Yep damage is nearly fixed so on to the upgrades shortly. Crab Claw? I have played around with them on a more traditional Proa and found it to be quite unwieldy in terms of scaling up. When you start going over 40ft it’s not really viable. Great for smaller boats especially if you incorporate a windsurfer rig type setup for performance!

Thanks mate, yeah getting there!

Thanks Robert, I would say that the Gig (my tender) would be similar or better in stability despite the rounded hull due to its extra width and flatter bottom. If you added the extra weight of the spindrift into the keel of the Gig, either removable or fixed it would certainly be exceptionally stable. She is also designed for sailing so should sail very nicley (I have not put a rig on the protype yet). I don't offer plans at this stage because it has been designed for composite mould construction although I could provide a hull shell for you to fit out that would be cost competitive if time saving is accounted for, shipping is the main complication in that regard though. it would be relatively simple to turn it into a nesting dinghy and could be shipped nested for cost savings. Where are you based? Also a composite build is always going to give superior results in weight, strength ,time and longevity.

@@MattTucker I'm based in Washington state, USA. I was thinking of building a cedar strip boat and before I pulled it off the strong back, I would lay up carbon fiber, then flex foam and then carbon fiber over the top of that for a composite boat. Then complete the wooden version and have two boats. Keep one and sell the other. Then use the one I keep as a tender aboard a Mumby Cyber 48 that I plan on building from plans in the near future to sail around the world. The tender would be a toy to have fun with at anchor. I would need to build a strong back and then lay up my wood strips to form up the plug so that I can lay up the carbon fiber like the people at OC Tender build their tenders. A great video about it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oteklahmutHPZ6c.html

Sounds like good plan. Have you thought about something like the P-11 dinghy or the oughtred boats?

@@MattTucker That's a nice boat but I was trying to keep it smaller. The perfect size would be between 8 ft. and 10 ft. I know that yours is 3.2 meters or about 10 1/2 ft. but I think I could live with that or shorten the aft end to make it work for me. I'm just looking for something small that I could stack inside my motorized tender that is hanging off the aft end of the Mumby Cyber 48 catamaran. A nesting dinghy would most likely be the best option but I'll have to see once I get closer to completing the build. I also like the proa design better but I think the smallest one you can make is 12 ft. I'm trying not to store anything on my decks and a proa would most likely have to be mounted on the side deck.