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I love to tinker and gotta say I've landed on the condor axe flights. The guiding grove in the stem is almost like cheating to be honest. You can just lob your dart and if it goes anywhere near the last one they're grouping

Thanks for this video. This is a topic that has caught my interest, as I posted in a previous video; I can't get along with molded flights (yet).

I think peter wright uses the condor axe neons if i'm not mistaking. the zero stress deforms when you groep close and peter's don't or atleast not as much, and they are crystal clear compaired to a slight milkyness in the zero stress

I also like molded flights: Cosmo, Cuesoul Rost, Condor, L-Style. But another (minor) downside you didn't mention is that carrying spares is kind of a pain because they don't fold flat. You also can't carry your setup in a flat "dart wallet".

love the look of the new neon condor flights, have bought 2 sets just to see how they go but awesome review as always :)

I have changed to the firm Axe flights, and they are very durable. One of my sets has the same stem/flight combo for over two years, and they are looking good. The thinner/softer variant tends to twist into a semi propeller shape, but even they are durable. Not going back.

Great review as always, I have used Robson molded flight. Then went to Bull's molded flight. And now I use L- style flights EZ ones. Great molded flight and durable. A built in shaft cone protector .No more robin hood in my book. Where the end of the stem where you put the flight on gets covered. Great idea 💡 💡! The only thing you forgot to say or mention WWD ! Yes Cosmo stems are 25.00 u s dollars to over 35.00 us dollar's. Very expensive compared to a EZ flight from L-style. And stems for .50 cents cant beat that. So in my opinion as far as mold flight goes would be L-style EZ flights! But great job with video and your opinion on Cosmo's flights . All the best!

I tried to use the 8 flight system, but I found that the weight was too much so I've gone back to normal stems and flights. I've also noticed that Whitlock is using moulded flights with his darts as well. Great video 👍🏼🎯

Great topic and video once again! I am a huge fan of the molded flights even though they are considerably more expensive. Couldn’t agree more about the lip on the front of the dart where the point meets the barrel. I prefer specialty points however I also use Trident 180 nose cones on other sets I have without specialty points. I’m still on the fence with the condor flight and shaft setup because they are one piece and the most expensive. I do have a few sets of condors I am trying. It will pain me a bit more to throw them away eventually simply due to the cost. Another thing about the condors, I haven’t had any shafts snap off at the threaded part at the back end of the barrel yet and I hope I never do. That would also force you to throw away that shaft/flight combo. This is typically I always buy a minimum of 2 sets of anything so I can replace only 1 instead of the entire set.

I started using lstyle flights and sometimes i get some wicked springy-like deflections, also i managed to break one from the bottom as you mentioned after 2weeks of constant practice. I use very grippy darts and i think it is still cheaper to use progrip stems and cheap flights

Great video. I was noticing the trend as well. I like Robson and certain molded stem flight combos. Not all are quality. I’m really digging LStyle flights as well.

Started noticing molded flights since José's debut on the tour. I picked a couple of his signature condor Axe's and a set of zero stress one's and I quite like them. They are indeed a bit more expensive but they are crazy durable, well worth it in my opinion

Worldwide; great video. I use the L-Style flights on most of my sets of darts, but also have the cosmo molded flights on a couple sets. I agree that the price is a limiting factor, but at least for me they last quite a bit longer; especially since I do use either specialty points or the 180 nose cones on most of my sets. Thanks and keep the reviews rolling.

I really like this video. I started using molded flights about 10 moths ago. I started with the Robson flight on l-style carbon shafts, moved to th 8 system, and now, after many mny hours in the dart stor and experimentation have settled on the duralumin fit shafts and fit flights. The setup I run is different for my soft tips to my steel tips. I use the #2 shaft and slim flights on my soft and the #5 shift and standard flights on my steel tips. But I still run the durability fit system on both. I love it and definitely recommend giving it a try.

I was litteraly thinking about this subject for a video of yours the other day lol

Hi , I've gone to the moulded flights too ( L style ) on spinner stems . I use the Designa Stiletto Darts 20g and i've used the tapered points to blend in the front . Great video as always . G

Ya I switched to Condor Axe's just over a month ago and don't think I'll ever go back. One thing you forgot to mention which I can attest to with the Axe's is your deflections are greatly reduced, and I find far more favorable. Ya you get the squirrely one here and there. They are pricey but well worth it. I can't even imagine how many flights and stems I would have destroyed since I switched.

I really like the One80 Vice caps along with Cosmo setup similar to yours. Very impressed with the One80s, enjoying using colourful patterned flights instead of the Fit Flight Pro black or white

I’m always using Condor Axe now these days but you definitely need a specialty point or trident nose cones. I tried Cosmo also and loved them but I broke a few shafts that’s why I switched to Condor’s

New to your channel, thanks for the info. You have one of the more interesting throwing styles. works for you and a talking point to boot.

I've been using Fit Flight #3 shafts with Super Shape Air for my Bunting 12g since almost day 1 & my new Loxley Featherweight 16's get the same setup. My Loxley Robin 2's have Cuesoul Rost one piece flights because with the grip I think they "eat flights" and needed something a little more durable. It sucks carrying around spare flights though since they don't lay flat

I've been using the cuesoul ak74 systems for almost a year. I absolutely love them. Not only do they look awesome, but they swivel, and theyre on a spring loaded shaft, so even the wear is minimal. Yeah, they cost me about $16 per set of darts, but I have yet to replace one set in a year. Check em out!

I switched to the Cuesoul Rost about a year or two ago and absolutely love them. I also like the Condor Axe system. I'll never use folding flights again.

I love my Lstyle setup. When I started with folded flights and nylon stems I had like 5-6 robin hoods every week. They are cheaper at first but when you start destroying your stems n flights every day it gets very annoying and me personally I couldn't get into rhythm I had no confidence whatsoever. I got Lstyle and finally I could just focus on the game because I trust in my setup. Monumental game changer for myself. 🙂

Been using the Robson flights for about a year now, absolutely love them.

I have a Cosmo setup on my Red Dragon Golden Virgins. Seems to be the only thing that really works with my throw. Price is a real barrier to entry when you have to experiment, as I’ve had to do with L Style. I feel like there’s serious drag and I need to put so much more effort to get it to the board. As a result if I don’t use them for a while, they land extreme tail up and always a bit low with my normal action.

Iff they wasn't sooooo expensive I'd try a set but at them prices i think I'd rather change my points. Good vid again ww 👍

A lot of good information.

I have been using the Harrows Clic system which I like. Now I have noticed I have a tear on the bottom of one of the flights. I do use the Trident nose cones so I have no idea how it happened. I have some Condor ones on order so we will see how I make with them. I haven’t really being long enough to notice the subtle differences in products so I value your view point. Thanks WW.

I use the Robson flights in the pear shape... brilliant... expensive but last about 7 or 8 months with a lot of use..good video 👍

The reason why molded flights/flight-stem combos are so expensive is because you need an injection mold that is fairly complex to make them. Such a mold easily costs 15k-30k. Just to make your initial mold investment back, you have to sell thousands of parts (consider that you have other costs involved as well in producing the flights... and the retailer also wants his cut). If you could sell a couple million parts, those initial mold costs would be negligible, however, if you only sell 10-20k parts, they become a major cost burden. Hope that all makes sense.

I bought some L-Style and Condor flights to try out. Haven't got round to it yet, but will give them a go very soon. I've been using an L-Style type system with folded flights for quite a while now, so expecting to enjoy using the full blown thing. One negative you didn't say, which I am expecting, is the tendency for increased deflections. The flights look a little thicker and are more rigid, and with my fairly light darts I am anticipating quite a few more on the floor.

Nice to see the rankings again, hopefully Cross will play Premier League next season

Used dynastar until they went away really liked the TriStar standard shape

Peter Wright is throwing the Condor Axe, they are the very stiff brother to the zero stress.

I'm using Harrows clik system, they are considerably cheaper than most options and work just the same, we'll worth a look !

Another awesome video full of great information! I used a number 4 cosmo carbon normal shaft with the fit flight pro s4 since those came out. I loved not having to pick up flights from the floor. One thing that kind of bothered me though was I would get a set of those shafts and some of them would come slightly bent. I would roll them on the table and see a wobble. I had back up sets, so I was able to get a full set of them that were completely straight. For the price my expectations are pretty high. I found that to be a bit of a con. For some too, when you go to a molded flight, you need to make sure you have a case that will give enough clearance for the flight. I had a target takoma case that would mishape my flights. I had to go to an L-style crystal case to make sure I wouldn't have issues. Additionally, you kind of need to get one of those extra molded flight cases to bring spares. Some people might find it inconvenient. I do miss the days of having a case I could fit in my pocket. Currently I am using the 260 Lstyle carbon silent shaft and the dimplex Lstyle molded flights. I know, they spin don't judge me haha! I really like those as I never have to pick up a flight, the little cap that sits in the molded flight stops robin hoods as well, and they are always straight. For a spinner flight, they don't feel wobbly when you're throwing. The other nice thing is if you were in a pinch you could quickly stick a regular folded flight in that shaft.

Look out for Robson crystal flights!! I had two shatter in one throw and I use specialty points to protect the flights, just way too brittle

Hey i see the watch in your back shows 17.23 as you hit the 3 Bulls Eye , i bet as you startet too hit this 3 Bulls Eye the watch shows 09.00 right ? :)))))) Only Fun Nice Video , i didnt know this

I'm using cosmo fitflight standard with size 1 shaft Using it as it is one of the only company with shaft that short other than L-Style Love the thick flight instead of the air version Not a fan of Condor Axe I play both soft and steel tip A few bounce outs and they break

The Condor Axe flights Used by Peter Wright and Jose De Sousa seem expensive at first but they are almost indestructible so are actually fantastic value for money. The condor Axe have a channel cut into the stem and if you can group your darts tightly the grooves and Flights catch incoming darts and guide them (hopefully into the treble). I always split the L Style and the Cosmos pretty quickly. Chizzys flights are a Mystery as Condor do not seem to sell the Solid yellow in either the Axe or the more Bendy Zero Stress, also there doesnt seem to be any grooves cut into the stems.

I've always used a molded flight system as I found throwing with a normal stem and flight system my darts were going all over the place and not flying straight. With a molded flight system they fly straighter and tend to go in the board a lot flatter and not at such weird angles.

Wright and Whitlock are both using condor axe neon and pretty sure Chizzy is use if the cuesoul rost. …curious is anybody has experience with the Bulls Germany dragon flights?

Someone just told me about Robson flights. I been using regular nylon stems with polyflights. They look pretty cool as I continue to use my stash of stems.

I’ve tried 8-flight and Robson. I prefer the Robson style because I can use regular nylon stems. They’re all overpriced, but once you’ve tried them it’s hard to go back.

I have to disagree with you about the “expense” of molded flights. They are way more durable than folded flights I can blow out a set a folding flights in a night and it takes me 6-7 months to blow out a set of molded flights

Love ur videos I like some of these set ups I was wondering if it could be just adding another sponsor and the ability to make more money. Am sure if they didn’t work well they wouldn’t even take that gamble

Now I'm thinking about trying a set out.

I think I'll give molded stems and flights a try on some of my bullnose darts. Most of my tapered ones already have free flo or trident points so no need really.

I started with cosmos. Moved to l style. Now after I've thrown for like 4 years i prefer punched standard flights 100 micron and carbon or nylon stems.

Just ordered some 180 nose cones to fix that problem. I tried out Robson and L-Style, but I just prefer the Standard Flights ~150micron.

I'm using either L-style or condor flights, but I'm using 45mm points. The way I grip the nose cones are annoying, and specialty points don't come longer than 32mm now with the new missions. 😒

Snakebite doesn't really count since he'll change his darts and whole setup every other week. He does seem to use condor flights quite a bit recently though. Added bonus too if you're a fan at a live match and one of these players throws their flights into the crowd after a match, you're getting a much nicer flight/souvenir.

None of them use Condor Zero Stress. Wright, Chisnall, Whitlock, de Sousa use Condor Axe (some of them use Axe Neon).

The price is relative. I had a set of Condor Axe last one year without any noticeable damage. The only reason I changed was for the length, not because they wore out or broke. Think about how many standard flights and stems you would go through in a year or possibly two.

Wright has the Condor neon Axe. Same ones as I use.

Have you broken many of those Cosmo carbon shafts? I’m close to pulling the trigger on a set but a little weary of them breaking. I have the target carbon titanium shafts and I’ve broken a few.

A few guys in my dart league use these and they claim they work great.

Peter wright uses the condor axe neons 🙂

I've been using L Style flights with metal champagne caps, and let me tell you, they last really well, I've had the same set of flights and shafts for a month and a half now, to compare, I would normally destroy atleast a set of shafts and flights every day before using these

I'm about 50/50... I'd say about 1/3 of my setups have molded flights (though they are my most used darts, so it's definitely my tendency I guess). Have robinhooded 2 L-Styles though, so like you said, cost is a bit of a bummer.

Interesting video! Strange how we seem to be going back to all-in-one flights: I've been playing on & off for almost 50 years & my first darts had moulded flights. The trend was then to nylon stems & poly flights, an "advantage" that the flight came out to allow closer grouping, now seen as a disadvantage. I'm actually throwing my original brass darts, with the old plastic one-piece flights, again & don't have problems grouping. But why are the new one-piece flights so expensive? You can still get old 1/4" ones for 59p (uk) & Darts Corner do a set of Designa durable ones for 90p albeit they're a retro shape why can't they make a modern version as cheap?

Peter wright is using the condor axe neon in yellow and orange sets.

I’m keen to try out the condor axe or the cosmo setup, I’ve tried the zero stress ones and I’m not a fan.

Peter Wright uses Condor Axe Neon

molded is the way to go. they last 50 times longer than regular flights. do the math. it’s with 8$ for a set of flights that last a year if not more. if you use shaped tips that protect your flights from thrown darts, you could have some L flights last near eternity. i’ve played the same L’s for 2 years before. throwing nearly every day. just stay away from the carbon and stainless shafts that cost 50$. they do nothing a plastic shafts can’t do.

I bought some Cosmo flights. Bought in Denmark...will arrive in a week or so.

Do these last longer then normal flights and stems, I'm only saying this cause I use a target storm point and still a bit off damage on my flights

Dave is using cuesoul flights I believe

I've been using Cosmo fit flight airs with carbon shafts for many years now. I've been wondering for some time why none of the pros were trying out any of the molded flights, to be honest.

There cool but the deflections will make me take them off after a game or two. Maybe a thinner design.

I use the Condor all in one. They have 2 versions: Zero Stress and Axe. I believe the Pro's use the AXE. The Zero Stress are softer and have very flexible stems/wings. The AXE are much harder and not so flexible. The Zero Stress kinda look like the cheap bar darts plastic flights.

I tried them, I'm happy with the way they fly but the longest they lasted was approximately 10 minutes at the most. At around $ 8 for the Robson flights I find them really expensive. I use the Shot Viking Drakkar darts.

Peter use Condor Axe Neon. In Germany 80% of the Players in Higher Amateur Level uses L-Style System. I think in the last 4 years established . only in the lower Standart players used standard equipment .

Can you please test RED DRAGON RD ORIGINALS 95% ?

Peter Wrights is Condor Axe, The Zero Stress is the Original

Chizzy actually uses white condor axe setup but spraypaints them in yellow. These are not on the market in this particular color.

yep...I have them ordered. tired of rebending bent robin hood prongs!

Condor axe I believe they are using

Peter Wright uses condor axe neon flights

wright is using neon AXE

Theyre the axes mate axe neons

Are you watching the live online darts on KZfaq? Ryan Furness using moulded flights just got 2 bounce outs after colliding with his flights, I think he's deliberately mocking you! lol

I think Chizzy has Cuesoul AK5s

They are condor axe

I used 8 Flights. Meh. I broke down and ordered some Axes. We'll see.

no not having that i have robin hooded quite a few cosmo's they are my least fave molded flights its the air pocket they have to get they on and off no good

Im not goid enough to robin hood so i guess folded flights are good enough for me

Game not in dart, game in you.

When people pay $200 for a putter and $2 a golf ball darts looks like a cheap sport even with premium gear

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