Rosemary Kennedy - Lobotomised for Being Different | Documentary

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Professor Graeme Yorston

Professor Graeme Yorston

2 жыл бұрын

This video is one of the saddest stories of the 20th Century.
Rosemary Kennedy, the younger sister of John F Kennedy was born with a mild intellectual disability in 1918.
Although she was happy, personable and vivacious, she could not keep up with her eight high achieving siblings. She was sent to a dozen different schools and traipsed around every doctor and psychologist in New England in the hope of a cure.
She had a brief period of happiness at a Montessori school in London, while her father was Ambassador to the UK, but the war cut this short. When she returned home she went into a decline and her father had her lobotomised at the age of 23, and she had no contact with her family for the next 20 years.
This video explores the shocking views about intellectual disability held by many societies in the 1930s and 40s and the limited treatments available for mental disorders at that time. The details of her lobotomy are presented with a new analysis of some of her behaviour by a neuropsychiatrist with experience of complex mental disorders.
I will also explain why Dr Walter Freeman, who was involved in Rosemary’s lobotomy and who went on to perform 4000 other surgeries, has been described as the most scorned doctor besides Nazi doctor Josef Mengele.
Discovering more for yourself
Kate Clifford Larson’s biography of Rosemary is detailed and authoritative, but more than that, it captures the tragedy of Rosemary’s life, the daughter who just wanted to please her impossible father. Jack El-Hai’s account of Walter Freeman, the Lobotomist, is a fascinating read as well for anyone wanting to know more about one of the darkest chapters in medical history. These and others are available through my Amazon Store. www.amazon.com/shop/professor...
Academic References:
Barr, M. W., & Whitney, E. A. (1930). Preventive Medicine and Mental Deficiency. New England Journal of Medicine, 203(18), 872-876.
Brown, F. W. (1930). Eugenic Sterilization in the United States Its Present Status. The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, 149(3), 22-35.
Caruso, J. P., & Sheehan, J. P. (2017). Psychosurgery, ethics, and media: a history of Walter Freeman and the lobotomy. Neurosurgical focus, 43(3), E6.
Editorial (1941) Frontal Lobotomy. Journal of American Medical Association, 117(7), 534-5.
El-Hai, J. (2005). The lobotomist: a maverick medical genius and his tragic quest to rid the world of mental illness. Hoboken, NJ: J. Wiley.
Freeman, W. (1941). Neurosurgical Treatment of Certain Abnormal Mental States: Panel Discussion at Cleveland Session. Journal of American Medical Association, 117(7), 517-527.
Freeman, W., & Watts, J. W. (1942). Prefrontal lobotomy: the surgical relief of mental pain. Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine, 18(12), 794.
Kessler, R. (1996). The sins of the father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the dynasty he founded. St. Martin's Press.
Mainieri, G., Loddo, G., & Provini, F. (2021). Disorders of arousal: A chronobiological perspective. Clocks & Sleep, 3(1), 53-65.
Nevsimalova, S., Prihodova, I., Kemlink, D., & Skibova, J. (2013). Childhood parasomnia-a disorder of sleep maturation? European Journal of Paediatric Neurology, 17(6), 615-619.
Nikolić, D., Marinković, M., Međo, B., & Jovanović, K. (2016). Absence epilepsy-electroclinical features and current advances. Paediatrics Today, 12(1), 131-8.
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The primary purpose of this video is educational. I have tried to use material in the public domain or with Creative Commons Non-attribution licences wherever possible. Where attribution is required, I have listed this below. I believe that any copyright material used falls under the remit of Fair Use, but if any content owners would like to dispute this, I will not hesitate to immediately remove that content. It is not my intention to infringe on content ownership in any way. If you happen to find your art or images in the video, please let me know and I will be glad to credit you.
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Music
George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue. Performed by the United States Marine Band with conductor and pianist Bramwell Tovey. Public domain via Wikimedia commons.
George Gershwin piano transcription of "The Man I Love", performed by Constantin Stephan. CC4.0 via Wikimedia commons.
Gustav Holst - The Planets - Mars, the bringer of war. Performed by Skidmore College Orchestra.
Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 5 Adagietto. Peabody Symphony Orchestra. CC1.0 via Wikimedia commons.
Jules Massenet - "Méditation" from Thaïs performed by Bomsori Kim and Pallavi Mahidhara. CC3.0 via Wikimedia commons.
Video produced by Professor Graeme Yorston and Tom Yorston.

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@cosmiccookie9083
@cosmiccookie9083 10 ай бұрын
As someone who had helped care for her before her death, she was ridiculously sweet and was probably bipolar if not autistic. Her father's decision to have her lobotomized was disgusting, and the fact he also forced the family to stay away from her is disgraceful. Joe was an absolute monster.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that.
@TargetedIndividuallivesmatter
@TargetedIndividuallivesmatter 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. I am just learning about the Kennedy family. I had always been taught that they were the good guys. I'm rather disgusted to find out what the patriarch was actually like. A friggin Nazi basically.
@Dirty_Squirrell
@Dirty_Squirrell 8 ай бұрын
The description of her has me in tears. My son's diagnoses are dyspraxia, adhd and autism. I'd bet money on jer having all three (her handwriting is common in dyspraxics, and autistics have a tendency to certain other diagnoses, too.) The only thing that would have kept my son from a lobotomy back then would have been his very high intelligence (and his parents, of course). Joe's monsterous ways are legendary.
@isabellawilson3948
@isabellawilson3948 8 ай бұрын
i have a feeling that she had autism and probably some learning disabilities. having such a competitive family probably led her to develop an anxiety disorder and depression. it’s sad that her own brother called disabled people an abomination, and her dad seeing her as making her family look bad.
@foxbuns
@foxbuns 8 ай бұрын
@@TargetedIndividuallivesmatter this is why you cannot just trust what was taught to you in public school. the rich and powerful dictate which parts of history are recorded and which parts are left out. you have to do your own research and question what was taught to you and why.
@carolharris6534
@carolharris6534 Жыл бұрын
Her parents were ashamed of her because of a condition she could not help. She was a beautiful young woman. What her father did to her was nothing short of child abuse.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
Maybe, just maybe, he was genuinely trying to help - but given his reputation generally it seems unlikely.
@Koopalingfan
@Koopalingfan Жыл бұрын
@@professorgraemeyorston I believe he had good intentions, but still you don’t do that.
@patchr5491
@patchr5491 Жыл бұрын
@@Koopalingfan good intentions. He intended to get rid of herr. He was warned of severely bad outcomes.!! She wasn't even severely handicapped!!!!!
@patchr5491
@patchr5491 Жыл бұрын
I think as a mother I agree with the speaker. Once baby starts to come you can't hardly stop it.
@blossom1643
@blossom1643 Жыл бұрын
@@patchr5491 that’s Right you could only do that if your a Cat 🐈‍⬛
@sallylegg2054
@sallylegg2054 7 ай бұрын
Two of my Irish great aunts, who were nurses, worked for the Kennedy’s, looking after Rosemary. They used to get her to do simple embroidery - my mother has a two pieces of cross stitching that Rosemary sewed.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
What a lovely memento.
@commiehunter733
@commiehunter733 Ай бұрын
That's amazing
@daniv7053
@daniv7053 28 күн бұрын
How beautiful of a loving memory for her to keep it. Thanks for sharing. Robert F Kennedy Jr is running for president as independent. I can see now, how being driven is part of his inheritance. Even as recently as 7 years ago, after a traumatic brain injury, in a deadly car accident, the doctor insisted I was treated as a psychiatric patient. Instead of treating me for the swelling in my brain. Seizures, which I have now too, are not well known to doctors; much less people in general.
@AsherJade03
@AsherJade03 5 күн бұрын
Liar
@sallylegg2054
@sallylegg2054 5 күн бұрын
@@AsherJade03 My mother is 102. Two of her aunts were nurses who worked for wealthy clients to support a sister who was in a home after suffering from brain damage from influenza (the 1918-1919 pandemic) and also to save money to set up a nursing home. My mother told me quite a few times that her aunts worked for the Kennedy family looking after Rosemary and she’s shown me the two pieces of cross-stitching. I’m only repeating what my mother has told me. If that makes me a liar in your eyes…..
@briannal.5942
@briannal.5942 7 ай бұрын
For her to suffer from lack of oxygen at birth and to be treated in such a manner is absolutely heartbreaking.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
It's such a sad story.
@BarnDoor-won5ve
@BarnDoor-won5ve 4 ай бұрын
I'm in agreement with the narrator being skeptical of this narrative. Granted, medical professionals did a lot of stupid and terrible things then as they do now, but having a mother close her legs and stuffing the baby back in doesn't work like that. Once that delivery begins, it IS going to happen, and no woman would physically be able to just hold it in like having to go to the bathroom. I have a close friend of mine who's son has permanent brain damage from oxygen deprivation from a botched delivery by Air Force medical staff. His wife was eclamptic, and the doctor refused to induce, and their son suffered for it. He far surpassed their predicted life expectancy and is still with us today, but he is in a wheelchair, has no speech, and is severely physically and mentally disabled and requires 24/7 care and monitoring. That was obviously not the case with rosemary. I think she was just born with mental deficiencies, and just like the narrator suspects; they conjured that story to escape embarrassment of not having perfect genes. People often don't even know that in America in the early 20th century the medical community was highly into eugenics theories and attempts to breed "perfect people" to the point of aborting potential deficient babies and running genetics testing to suggest compatible parents in couples. Those who should and should not breed, etc.
@iamthereforeistrive9392
@iamthereforeistrive9392 3 ай бұрын
​@@BarnDoor-won5ve I did not read the author as "the narrative was wrong",but rather as "it is unbelievable any medical professional would have done anything like that."
@Lalala0714
@Lalala0714 2 ай бұрын
The nuns at the Catholic hospital my mother was born at tried to hold my grandmother’s legs together when she was giving birth during a snow storm. The doctor wasn’t present yet. I believe some of this type of activity is true for Rosemarys birth. That said, my grandmother went wild, kicked the nuns away (they were laying on her legs) and delivered her baby on her own. Maybe Mrs Kennedy was less inclined to make a fuss. Any way you look at it, these stories are horrifying.
@windycityliz7711
@windycityliz7711 2 ай бұрын
I believe this happened to my mother in the mid-40's (tho I don't think she ever knew it as she was given "twilight sleep" for the birth of all her children). Her 3rd baby was born outwardly beautiful and perfect but by age 4 mos. was dx'd as "floppy", was blind and deaf. Mom was advised to put her in a home (she had 2 other young children) and the baby died at 18 mos., unable to do more than take a bottle and lie in her crib. It haunted my mom all her life.
@rachel4483
@rachel4483 Жыл бұрын
A nurse tried to do that to my grandmother (9 children) while in labor. She kicked her off, became hostile, and delivered her own baby. Do not underestimate how poorly women in labor are treated. Obgyn care is and always has been unfeeling and barbaric.
@krollpeter
@krollpeter Жыл бұрын
Here we have it. There ARE mad people in every profession, always have been.
@annanicholson5309
@annanicholson5309 Жыл бұрын
My mother had a d&c without anything for pain. I couldn't barely handle a small biopsy with pain meds.
@Tommy1198S
@Tommy1198S Жыл бұрын
Wrong
@aliyamoon80
@aliyamoon80 Жыл бұрын
Smells like granny told you a whopper. It’s impossible to hold a baby inside a uterus. If you ever had a baby you would know that. Your granny was telling tall tales. 🙄
@pipermccool
@pipermccool Жыл бұрын
@@seeglinesI can absolutely see a woman at that time doing the bidding of a walk-on-water doctor.
@dawnstrohm6982
@dawnstrohm6982 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I believe the story about Rosemary's birth absolutely could be true. My second son is 36 years old, and I had my babies very quickly. When I got to the hospital, he was already in the birth canal and his head could be seen, yet the nurses absolutely refused to let me push and I was told it was because the doctor wasn't there yet. It was a horrific experience, very painful for me and worrisome for my baby. Thankfully my son only had some minor learning disabilities, graduated from high school and is a wonderful man, husband and father. But because of my experience I can tell you that at one time nurses were told to not allow the baby to come until the doctor was there. Absolutely ridiculous, but yes true.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dawn, I've heard similar stories from several people now in the US, so yes, sadly it may well have been true!
@Koopalingfan
@Koopalingfan Жыл бұрын
That’s very nice about your son. It’s is shame what happened to Rosemary.
@21550spurs
@21550spurs Жыл бұрын
My mother was a Obi nurse that worked at night and she delivered plenty of babies waiting for doctors to arrive so it's pretty horrific having somebody cross their legs or push the baby back in
@Koopalingfan
@Koopalingfan Жыл бұрын
@@21550spurs Must be. Did you see it?
@SarahBent
@SarahBent Жыл бұрын
My children were born in and around 2010 and I have friends who are still saying they experienced less drastic versions of this.
@Vampire280
@Vampire280 6 ай бұрын
The entire story is heartbreaking, she deserved so much better. Joe Jr’s comment about Hitler’s sterilization being “a great thing” especially shook me. Absolutely horrible.
@rustyshackelford3371
@rustyshackelford3371 6 ай бұрын
He's just a typical Democrat Marxist.
@tphvictims5101
@tphvictims5101 4 ай бұрын
👍🏻 you’re correct
@nadogrl
@nadogrl 2 ай бұрын
Correct, on both counts.
@CEO-xt6ch
@CEO-xt6ch 2 ай бұрын
We can see why RFK Jr. Is such a mess
@dollyschwall8537
@dollyschwall8537 Ай бұрын
Yes I agree with you .
@TheZerocool3312
@TheZerocool3312 4 ай бұрын
Listening to your program, and when you got to the Birth of Rosemary, it hit a nerve, because when I was trying to be born the Dr. was at another hospital doing a birth, so the nurse pushed my head back in and crossed my mothers leg and wrapped her in a blanket. When the Dr. came in the room, asked who did this and fired her on the spot. I was lucky that no brain injury happened, I just had a ridge across my eyes which went away after a couple of days, and left me with a dip in the middle of my skull. Until I saw this video I never knew just how lucky I was. Keep up the good work.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, it's good to hear that some people recognise safe practice.
@marstondavis
@marstondavis Жыл бұрын
She was the prettiest of all the sisters. Her life was runed by her ruthless father. He's the one that should have had the Lobotomy.
@nickgreenwich8649
@nickgreenwich8649 Жыл бұрын
I hope ,the M F suffered in his last moments of a stroke. Just deserts…
@user-zy3zd3sx2d
@user-zy3zd3sx2d Жыл бұрын
It was the nurse who forced Rose to hold Rose Mary in the birth canal. Total ROACH.
@TREVASLARK
@TREVASLARK Жыл бұрын
@@user-zy3zd3sx2d Yes. At the root of this tragedy is an incompetent or fearful nurse who clearly did not understand the mechanics of labor and birth, and the vulnerability of the child in those moments.
@elizabethalexander6528
@elizabethalexander6528 Жыл бұрын
Definately a evil man. Then we wonder how the world became so hostile. I think we started all fu*ked up
@user-zy3zd3sx2d
@user-zy3zd3sx2d Жыл бұрын
@@TREVASLARK That poor girl didn't stand a chance at life from her beginning or throughout life. The incompetent nurse and arrogance did this.
@melissamorton1282
@melissamorton1282 10 ай бұрын
Her whole story is tragic, but it's even more sad knowing that her own parents kept it a secret where she was for 20 years from even her own siblings who loved her and wanted to visit her.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 10 ай бұрын
It's hard to understand why they did that.
@user-rg4rg8zk4e
@user-rg4rg8zk4e 8 ай бұрын
kennedys are evil@@professorgraemeyorston
@Gadfly333
@Gadfly333 7 ай бұрын
Cause they were absolutely dreadful and evil people. @@professorgraemeyorston
@bunk95
@bunk95 7 ай бұрын
A woman getting abused, probably tortured and then killed is/was a secret? Just thinking and act like that?
@nancythane4104
@nancythane4104 7 ай бұрын
Probably because they didn't want their other children to know how they allowed Rosemary to be butchered for the sake of the parent's egos.
@malialundahl7779
@malialundahl7779 5 ай бұрын
Her story is such a heartbreaking example of how society is disabling. She had multiple periods of her life where she thrived and was able to contribute to society in an environment that supported her and focused on her strengths, but the progress was lost when she was moved away.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
It is such a sad story, if only she had been left to build her confidence in the Montessori school.
@AbbyCavapoo24
@AbbyCavapoo24 Ай бұрын
Look at Helen Keller. She thrived because she had so much support. Of course she worked hard herself.
@LinkyMew
@LinkyMew 7 ай бұрын
As someone with autism, a lot of her “outbursts” (meltdowns) after England may have been from realizing how much better she could’ve and should’ve been treated, as she was allowed to go at her own pace. i don’t know anything about her, just that i have had similar experiences, and i would also be incredibly bitter and depressed if i was ripped from a better life where i was understood and loved for who i was.
@dragonvlogssayshi
@dragonvlogssayshi 7 ай бұрын
I was not expecting to see you here. And I agree.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
It is possible, but struggling with change also occurs in mild learning disability.
@outoftheforest7652
@outoftheforest7652 6 ай бұрын
when you have a social climbing family like the Kennedy's there are certain behaviors that are required and others that are ostracizing. Society was honestly so barbaric and ignorant of things..
@sofiamarie6271
@sofiamarie6271 5 ай бұрын
They could have been a symptom of emotional dysregulation from brain damage caused by seizures, too
@user-gi8pk9uc7q
@user-gi8pk9uc7q 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can't imagine what that must have been like for her!
@carolinehoward180
@carolinehoward180 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always found this one of the most appalling examples of abandonment, barbarism and narcissism of the 20th Century. RIP Rosemary 😭💕
@melissadavis9591
@melissadavis9591 Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
Perfect summary.
@rudymontana4515
@rudymontana4515 Жыл бұрын
You think the result is what the family wished ? They wanted her to be healthy and happy. Medical knowledge was not close to what it is now..
@A_nony_mous
@A_nony_mous Жыл бұрын
@@rudymontana4515 I think "dear daddy" ie. Joe senior got exactly what he wanted - her out of his way and out of the public eye. Her siblings didn't even know where she was. "They wanted her to be healthy and happy." He wanted her to be "normal" which was unobtainable due to her birth circumstances. I agree medical knowledge was not close to what it is now, and we still muck things up when it comes to mental health.
@brightstar1212
@brightstar1212 Жыл бұрын
It's horrific, Caroline. It made me feel physically ill
@solasolar1
@solasolar1 11 ай бұрын
She had many symptoms of being autistic. Delayed development, social struggles, meltdowns, pacing. What a heartbreaking story.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 11 ай бұрын
Tragic.
@katrinagoldsmith578
@katrinagoldsmith578 10 ай бұрын
I kept thinking, it sounds like she is autistic. This story is so heartbreaking.
@katiefrancis7223
@katiefrancis7223 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking that too autism, maybe epilepsy and learning disability
@lanacmurphy
@lanacmurphy 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing and some children with autism also have seizures. I was just reading about that today. My daughter and granddaughter are autistic.
@Madcaps215
@Madcaps215 10 ай бұрын
Exactly my thought. How sad. I wouldn’t dream of letting a dr shove knives into my child’s head.
@nancyclements6755
@nancyclements6755 4 ай бұрын
I worked with an older nurse in a small town. She told me that was customary to hold the baby in the birth canal, until the doctor arrived. That was at the order of the doctors. What a tragic story.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
It seems this was a common practice - terrible!
@justrosy5
@justrosy5 Ай бұрын
@@professorgraemeyorston It's believable that this practice took place. We have to remember the time-frame surrounding her birth. Not everyone back then would have been versed in the impacts of every procedure. Even in the mid-70s, when I was born prematurely, I was just stuck in a plastic box with two large holes in it (no gloves attached to them and no ventilation or other tubing/wiring, no fluorescent anything) and my parents were told to start planning my funeral. Why? We were in a small hospital out in the middle of nowhere. Here in the United States, not all hospitals are equal, and not all hospital staff are equal to their counterparts in other hospitals. That's just as true now as it had to have been back in the early 1900s.
@anairenemartinez165
@anairenemartinez165 Ай бұрын
​@@professorgraemeyorston I never heard of it, nothing short of criminal. Why midwife are for then?
@anairenemartinez165
@anairenemartinez165 Ай бұрын
Me and my brother were born at home with a midwife. My brother needed pushing from people on top of my mom belly, and I came out in a hurry, I've been told.
@user-ke8xq2yx6x
@user-ke8xq2yx6x Ай бұрын
That's one reason l dislike doctors!!
@cathyloibl1037
@cathyloibl1037 4 ай бұрын
This happened to my mother in 1947. She went into labor in a Catholic hospital. The doctor was golfing and the hospital policy was to tie the legs of the mother together until the doctor could be brought back to the hospital. When he got to the hospital my sister was born and lived 7 minutes after the birth. The hospital said she died of officiation because her ambilical cord wrapped around her neck.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
Truly shocking!
@skysetblue9578
@skysetblue9578 Ай бұрын
Oh my God I am so sorry
@lise-annetijerino5624
@lise-annetijerino5624 Жыл бұрын
Unbelievable how cruel they were to Rosemary, not just with the lobotomy, taking her out of the one place she was happy and kept moving around. She was emotionally abused.
@barefootgrl5748
@barefootgrl5748 Жыл бұрын
Well, the NAZIS were marching in!
@EleanorC.McLaughlin
@EleanorC.McLaughlin Жыл бұрын
For all we know physically too! ❤
@epoulos108
@epoulos108 Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking molestation by that uncle who she kicked and showed anger towards.
@lise-annetijerino5624
@lise-annetijerino5624 Жыл бұрын
@@epoulos108 hard to tell. It's very possible that she was molested by her uncle. Still, the way she was treated by her family is horrible.
@groofoot
@groofoot 11 ай бұрын
Joe Kennedy, sr. was an evil, ruthless sob .... I would proffer to you that he was a full blown psychopath ....
@variniaspartacus5860
@variniaspartacus5860 Жыл бұрын
Lobotomy is a death sentence. How dare anyone do this to any living being ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING
@epoulos108
@epoulos108 Жыл бұрын
Interesting that professor didn’t mention that lobotomies were backed by the American medical association at the time.
@kadenkohl782
@kadenkohl782 10 ай бұрын
Idk about death sentence. She died in 2005
@bebe8842
@bebe8842 10 ай бұрын
if what she had after the "operation" u call it a life then, yeah, lobotomy is not a death sentence @@kadenkohl782
@autumnrusso6129
@autumnrusso6129 10 ай бұрын
​@@kadenkohl782she may not have died in the typical sense, but she lost who she was completely. Kind of the same thing.
@kxkxkxkx
@kxkxkxkx 10 ай бұрын
Doctors kill and cripple thousands of people every day😢 cry about it
@adriennemyles5133
@adriennemyles5133 6 ай бұрын
As recently as 1995 they told me to hold my daughter in because my EX husband ran out to get dinner and he wasn’t responding to paging announcements. He was eating pizza and thought he could cram it down and then come back. I knew that caused cerebral palsy so no way I listened. Thank Goodness. She’s fine now and is 28 years old.
@lulumoon6942
@lulumoon6942 Ай бұрын
Proud of you for listening to your body and mother's instincts! 👍🙏💪
@foreveranon6940
@foreveranon6940 7 ай бұрын
The mother telling the public that she focused all her care on rosemary but kept her a secret and never wrote about her in her letters is so messed up… her family didn’t give a damn about her :(
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
That's how it seems.
@sheagoff6009
@sheagoff6009 11 ай бұрын
My great grandma was giving birth to her first child, a baby girl. The doctor wasn’t there yet and the nurse held her legs together so the baby couldn’t come. The doctor showed up an hour later hungover. The baby ended up passing away before she was even born. That would’ve been a lawsuit today.
@beyondher
@beyondher 5 ай бұрын
She would have been safer giving birth completely alone in that case.
@ChristineHerrington-cv1kg
@ChristineHerrington-cv1kg 4 ай бұрын
😱
@davidcoley8500
@davidcoley8500 4 ай бұрын
I find the presenter's opinion on this not being likely to be very off putting. You're trying to explain history but won't do the simple research it takes to know this was common practice.
@laurahalvorsen558
@laurahalvorsen558 4 ай бұрын
Poor dear baby and mum 😢 .. when a Dr wasn't needed and it was all about the dollar.. the nurse should feel great shame too. Killing the precious baby. So sorry for your Grandma how heart breaking.❤😢
@Ultamami
@Ultamami 4 ай бұрын
​@@davidcoley8500*offputting, one word
@emr7712
@emr7712 Жыл бұрын
YES!!!!!! It happened to me. My OBGYN couldn't get to me on time either. The nurse told me to cross my legs and not to push. 3 times, my daughter's head was pushed back. Eventually my fiancé went to grab a doctor scrubbing up. My daughter was delivered and was in distressed. She was put on oxygen and her tummey was pumped because she swallowed merconium. So yesssss, it does happen and yesssss my daughter was diagnosed with ADHD and borderline remedial. So this is not a lie.😡
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
I stand corrected - still shocked that it was carried out though.
@missylearned9821
@missylearned9821 Жыл бұрын
Incredible. Please tell me this wasn’t in the last 30 years.
@spiralrose
@spiralrose Жыл бұрын
Don’t be shocked, sir.. this is the US medical system. The patient comes last, especially women and especially women having babies. It’s such shit
@maxinericheson9210
@maxinericheson9210 Жыл бұрын
Sad!😢😮
@catherinekeddy2816
@catherinekeddy2816 Жыл бұрын
😢😢😢
@violettownmicroenterprises1528
@violettownmicroenterprises1528 4 ай бұрын
I will never forgive the poor standard of care I was given at Adelaide Childrens Hospital in Rose Park, in May, 1974. Nearly 50 yrs later, I still am deeply affected and was a trauma I will take to my grave.
@lulumoon6942
@lulumoon6942 Ай бұрын
I'm truly sorry for the lack of proper care and trauma you endured, but am awed by your ability to survive! Wishing you continued healing. 🙏🕊️
@Lou-lu3tw
@Lou-lu3tw 23 күн бұрын
I pray for you. You are strong! 🙏♥️
@OkieHappenings
@OkieHappenings 7 ай бұрын
My husband's grandmother had not one, but two separate lobotomies in 1942. My mother-in-law said that her mother had the procedures at the urging of her sister who thought she had a bad temper (even though my mother-in-law never remembered her having a temper). After the lobotomies my husband's grandmother was institutionalized for the rest of her life. My mother-in-law never had her mother near her from the age of ten. What a tragedy! Disgraceful what doctors did to their patients in the name of medical progress.
@skyqueue68
@skyqueue68 Ай бұрын
Still happening
@bubbasparxxx9492
@bubbasparxxx9492 Ай бұрын
What they’re still doing today
@kmeccat
@kmeccat Жыл бұрын
It was bad enough they destroyed her with the lobotomy...but to hide her away from siblings and never even visit her again, is despicable. Joe K was a monster.
@inagordan4589
@inagordan4589 Жыл бұрын
he was a monster in many ways
@inagordan4589
@inagordan4589 Жыл бұрын
So they made her a vegetable. living, breathing but not able function or control body functions and not able to think or talk. They castrated her brain.
@jenne8180
@jenne8180 Жыл бұрын
While I don't condone it, it was common place in those days. I know from first hand experience with multiple people (who were not wealthy).
@jocr1971
@jocr1971 Жыл бұрын
my step father worked at the kennedy compound frequently doing oddball maintenance and construction. he told me the entire family was a bunch of asshats except rose the mother.
@gailnorris6636
@gailnorris6636 11 ай бұрын
Sick people
@FuturesPast1
@FuturesPast1 Жыл бұрын
When I was 9 months pregnant, I joked around with my OBGYN. I was getting a routine exam and said that I just wanted to have my daughter already because I was tired of being pregnant. She got some kind of hook and broke my water, gave me something called Pitocin(?) to induce labor and said "Today would be perfect because my shift just started". This actually happened to me only 19 years ago. I'll never forget after that the doctor and the nurses stuck me on a bed flat on my back and I couldn't breathe because I needed to be elevated a little. I kept trying to sit up so I could be on an incline and two nurses sat on me and held me down flat on my back the whole time I was pushing. It felt like I was being suffocated and I was panicking. It frightens me to know how many doctors do things like this just because it is more convenient for them. She induced my labor just because it was a good day for her schedule. I really believe after hearing this that the nurse did stick Rosemary's head back in the birth canal.
@natalieorellana4763
@natalieorellana4763 10 ай бұрын
Were you alone during this?
@charlottemoriarty2846
@charlottemoriarty2846 10 ай бұрын
My mother was induced with my youngest brother in 1981 so the nurses and doctors could watch Charles and Diana’s wedding 🤦🏻‍♀️
@Senfree
@Senfree 4 ай бұрын
@Peoplepease Hopefully you're never in a horrible situation and the people around you decide to blaim you.
@stanibol
@stanibol 4 ай бұрын
Yes they Induced the pregnant women (in Queensland Punlic hospitals) and broke the uterus membrane with an instrument, administered pethidine etc. Nursing staff obeyed the head nurse/matron, none asked for your permission. Zero consent form 40 plus years ago. Things changed a lot from the early 1990s. The expectant mother was no longer treated like a piece of meat. My third child born in 1991, excellent conduct by midwives. Polite and patient, not pushy or too authoritative. In 1991 I thought there was still a chance for the world. Shame about the way things are going now.
@stanibol
@stanibol 4 ай бұрын
No I don't believe ant nurse would be that stupid as to demand for woman to keep her legs together or begin to push the baby back into the womb. Total insanity. Kennedys looked for a simple explanation to shift the blame on someone other than themselves, to stop any insinuation or speculation about a hereditary condition.
@msbrennamac
@msbrennamac 4 ай бұрын
As a neurodivergent woman, many of these traits sound like they could align with autism and that makes me terribly sad. “Daydreaming” could also possibly have been a result of inattentive ADHD. We know now that ASD & ADHD do often co-occur. Even today, there is still little awareness about how both disorders present in women & AFAB individuals. She and so many others deserved so much better. Thank you for highlighting her story.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
She did indeed.
@GR1NDMOD22
@GR1NDMOD22 3 ай бұрын
Almost sounds like maladaptive daydreaming
@moniquebaldea9299
@moniquebaldea9299 6 ай бұрын
As the mother of two high-functioning autistic children, one who has severely dyslexia, adhd, and outbursts, this is most likely what she had. My son is smart, so intelligent, and well-spoken and kind. He will advance with no problem but much support. My daughter has already graduated college. Rosemary was most likely the same as my son and those were her diagnoses. What made it ten TIMES worse was her family’s expectation of her, their non-acceptance of who she was as a human, and the willingness to write her off. Most importantly though, they CONSTANTLY moved her! You cannot give children, especially THESE children a lack of stability. It is terrible for them and makes such a bad situation worse. I realize she was a horrible product of her time, but worse, she was a product of her family. I will say as a mention. She was stunningly, absolutely stunningly beautiful. The other Kennedy girls literally had NOTHING on her.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 6 ай бұрын
Very true.
@laptinek5753
@laptinek5753 4 ай бұрын
I'm autistic and this story makes me so angry and sad, joe was a evil father. I thank god there are parents like you that actually love their kids unconditionally much respect
@joannemarichalar1952
@joannemarichalar1952 3 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this revealing documentary almost as much as I did your comments on such a misunderstood condition. The human brain. I do believe she was so robbed of her beauty. The only Kennedy in my opinion, who was truly honest. I have learned so much. Thank you.
@justrosy5
@justrosy5 Ай бұрын
Agreed. Thank you ❤
@cjdeschu
@cjdeschu Жыл бұрын
You were surprised a nurse would do this. Yet many years later - 1943 - a nurse in a hospital in NJ, USA tried to hold me in by pushing on my head because the doctor thought he had time to go eat his lunch. Fortunately for me, she was unsuccessful and was forced to deliver me. Thankfully no harm was done to me. But my mom was certainly not happy. Having had 3 of my own I cannot imagine having someone try to stop a delivery at that stage.
@sandycampbell1866
@sandycampbell1866 Жыл бұрын
Similar to the delivery of my daughter in 1987. The doctor refused to allow her to be born in the labour room even though her head was crowning. No they had to force my legs together and me into a wheelchair and wheel me to a delivery room quite a ways down the hall. I remember when the head was crowning and my husband ran out into the hallway to find someone. Felt so alone and vulnerable. It is not like you can just get up and walk out! So much amnionic fluid leaking - they had to follow with a mop and bucket. This was after several hours of being on a drip to cause the contractions due to it being a breech birth (and baby had been turned inside my uterus under ultrasound). It felt like a battering ram. Ridiculous. Lost a lot of blood. Glad there are birthing rooms now where you can stay from labour to delivery. My baby seemed to be okay and is considered gifted learner. But the trauma caused post partum depression in me and it was several years before I had the courage to give birth again. After that I gave birth at home with a midwife. I wonder how much post partum depression is actually PTSD?
@justmoon9798
@justmoon9798 11 ай бұрын
@sandycampbell1866 I'm so sorry you went through that. PTSD makes sense after traumatic birthing. Sending you big hugs!!!
@Michou_888
@Michou_888 11 ай бұрын
wow this is unbelievable (even back then). thank you for sharing. Peace
@TheTread123
@TheTread123 10 ай бұрын
That nurse is more evil than the character "Nurse Ratchet" from One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest.
@kelleewolfe2834
@kelleewolfe2834 10 ай бұрын
My third delivery was traumatic. Had to have an emergency hysterectomy and coded three times on the table. I haven't been the same since. I believe that I absolutely do have PTSD.
@SnuffitLabs
@SnuffitLabs Жыл бұрын
I met Rose at St Coletta's during the late 1980s when I volunteered as a guide for a blind man in Special Olympics swimming events. St. Coletta's had an olympic size pool and hosted the local Special Olympics swimming events. Had you only seen the pre-lobotomy photos of her, you'd never have recognized her. She wasn't very conversational with me, seemed a kind person. The worst part of the Rosemary's story is that while the Kennedy family did do a lot with Special Olympics, they viewed the very people taking care of her as second class citizens. Her father took a beautiful young woman and ruined her entire life and the saddest part of her story . . . the part that can still evoke tears from me . . . is that she was treated more like a peer ans loved in that institution than by her own damned family (I met a number of them during a couple fundraisers.) Shame on that clan!
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls 7 ай бұрын
Hypocrisy - of the Kennedys - treating caretakers like second class citizens but making a show of charitable events.
@katelynrusell904
@katelynrusell904 2 ай бұрын
Im😮😅
@frodo_underhill
@frodo_underhill 5 ай бұрын
I grew up next to the town where she spent the rest of her life in Wisconsin. If anyone mentioned a “secret Kennedy sister” at St. Colletta’s it was treated as an urban legend because it seemed so implausible and disheartening for school-aged children.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
Interesting. The whole story is hard to believe.
@MegaBpop
@MegaBpop 7 ай бұрын
My mom n law had 9 siblings. 2nd to the last one was born with Downs. Upon Bill’s birth, the OB doc told the dad to not look and that the baby would be sent to special needs hospital for his entire life. (Back in 1942). The dad who is my husband’s maternal grandfather responded to the OB Doc, “No, he will come with us and like the rest learn how to work on the farm”. That was the best form of education and therapy Uncle Bill could have received after he could not attend elementary school after first grade. Bill helped his brothers in plowing, planting corn, delivering calfs, fed the pigs and ate alot of boloney. At his funeral visitation, the line went outside the funeral home and around the block. We miss him and he was a BIG help on the farm.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
What a lovely story, thanks for sharing.
@shirleygiordano7627
@shirleygiordano7627 Жыл бұрын
Poor Rosemary. 😔 I have similar symptoms. I have mental and neurological illness, and autism. Rosemary didn't choose to be sick, she just was. The way she was treated was disgusting.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@Waxcoat
@Waxcoat Жыл бұрын
I have autism and my school was in an old sanatorium with an isolation chamber, schokroom and jars fulled with human brains.
@judeross3875
@judeross3875 Жыл бұрын
@@Waxcoat What? What time frame are you talking of?
@shirleygiordano7627
@shirleygiordano7627 Жыл бұрын
@Waxcoat , you are not funny. How immature of you. Grow up and quit acting macho. 😒 You are a bully. Mental and neurological illnesses are nothing to make fun of. And I refuse to respond to any more of your crap. I don't fight online. I will pray for you.
@shirleygiordano7627
@shirleygiordano7627 Жыл бұрын
@@professorgraemeyorston , it was senseless. Poor Rosemary 😔
@RunAMuckGirl2
@RunAMuckGirl2 Жыл бұрын
I have a friend who had the nurses hold her legs closed until the doctor got there resulting in serious brain damage to her son. That was in the late 70's. It happened to women more then you could possibly imagine due to the monstrous egos of some OB's.
@Tawadeb
@Tawadeb Жыл бұрын
Thats dreadful
@jenne8180
@jenne8180 Жыл бұрын
@@Tawadeb It is indeed dreadful but it is in fact true.
@plspriska
@plspriska Жыл бұрын
I would imagine this was seriously painful. Couldnt it kill you?
@TREVASLARK
@TREVASLARK Жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree. While the narrator doesn't feel a nurse would do this, I think she would, especially if the doctor insisted (as they often do) that HE be there for the delivery. Doctors can have very big egos, and nurses may be intimidated by them.
@elizabethalexander6528
@elizabethalexander6528 Жыл бұрын
My sister in approx '77 in Iowa the babies died.
@someoneunknown4159
@someoneunknown4159 6 ай бұрын
This broke my heart. There are still people out there with beautiful souls that are being ostracized by society just by not being understood. All I can do is ask myself how to change the way things are.. nobody deserves to suffer in any way Rosemary suffered.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 6 ай бұрын
I agree, which is why I am trying to do something to challenge preconceptions through my channel.
@christinecanavan7333
@christinecanavan7333 7 ай бұрын
Rosemary was taken by her father UKNOWN TO ROSE out of state for a lobotomy. His reasoning was that he believed Rosemary would harm others in the family. As she had aged, Rosemary saw that she was different. She saw her siblings having lives she couldn't. Rose Kennedy was livid and heartbroken. Now there is the truth. Lady from Massachusetts.
@ahill4642
@ahill4642 11 ай бұрын
In the 50’s my aunt lost a baby during a birth story identical to Rosemary’s birth. She never fully got over it, actually. She said that, right after losing the baby, she felt an incredible urge to steal other women’s babies. Surely a form of postpartum depression or something. She went on to have 3 healthy babies after, thankfully.
@annnoble7181
@annnoble7181 Жыл бұрын
I think one of her over sexualized family members was trying to and did silence her. This is horrific. They erased her brain. Evil evil evil. She lived the longest in that condition too
@PipeCat1965
@PipeCat1965 8 ай бұрын
This story tears my heart to pieces. I have a niece whose story this could have been, except for the lobotomy. Thank God for the progression of science, as medications have come so far, but are still not perfect. I have cried for Miss Kennedy's plight, and I will never forget her. Rest in peace, beautiful Rosemary, portrait of innocence. This world was not good enough for you.
@broen6124
@broen6124 4 ай бұрын
A college friend volunteered at Ste. Colletta's in the early 1970's. Her interactions with this unfortunate woman were limited, but she said that Rosemary loved banging on the piano for long periods and that, other than gently trying to distract her, the staff let her do whatever she wanted.
@KristenK78
@KristenK78 10 ай бұрын
I’ve read the biography he cited early in the video. What he utterly fails to mention is that: 1) Laboring women were absolutely told not to push, because the doctor didn’t get his fee if the baby was born before the doctor arrived. 2) Rosemary was a young woman, with all that entails. Her parents were potentially embarrassed because she wasn’t a “nice,” modest girl, but acted on her impulsive attraction to young men. Joe Jr’s friends likely found her “nice” because she was attractive and probably a bit more forward than her peers. Being strict Catholics, the idea of her getting “in trouble,” or even the whisper of her behaving improperly, would have been mortifying to her parents. Doubly so given Joe Sr’s political ambitions for Joe Jr, which were then transferred to JFK when Joe Jr was killed in combat in WWII. If you have any further doubts, think again about the lengths JFK went to, to keep his own chronic illness hidden. Any sign of weakness, illness, or moral failure was locked up or hidden away, until long after Joe Sr’s death.
@delmariecrandall9229
@delmariecrandall9229 7 ай бұрын
Your comments are spot on.
@ritz6982
@ritz6982 5 ай бұрын
You cannot wilfully push a baby out nor can you hold it in. It comes out due to the fetal ejection reflex which is absolutely involuntary. The uterus not the kind of muscle you can control.
@anahedgerow9750
@anahedgerow9750 4 ай бұрын
@@ritz6982 Of course you can push, have you ever given birth? You just do it with your abdominal muscles, not uterus itself.
@jasmim6612
@jasmim6612 4 ай бұрын
@@ritz6982you’re a man, aren’t you?
@izmckenna
@izmckenna 4 ай бұрын
@@ritz6982the uterus isn’t, but the birth canal is quite literally a muscle
@KugelBlitz0
@KugelBlitz0 Жыл бұрын
11:07 That's depressing. She found a role that she liked, was capable of performing, and gave her a sense of purpose. She would've also been "out of sight", since her parents were that bothered by her mere existence. But no, her dad just had to drag her back, then destroy what little sense of self and happiness she had left.
@patriciasoebagio1035
@patriciasoebagio1035 8 ай бұрын
Seems they were more concerned in case anyone might notice something was different about Rosemary; thus, instead of allowing her to blossom in society, & the family trying their best to simply work around that, they instead made Rosemary try to "fit in" with the family's hectic, competitive lifestyle-- & to try & keep up as best she could. Even when it was clearly asking too much of her.
@davespriter
@davespriter 7 ай бұрын
it’s really heartbreaking
@stanibol
@stanibol 4 ай бұрын
I've often wondered whether Rosemary was molested as a youngster. I don't really expect anyone to say they knew that Joe Snr might be in a position to shed some light on that. Most fathers would encourage the mother/rest of the family to visit their less fortunate sibling. The fact that Joe Snr wanted to completely sever all communications does cast a lot of doubt on him regarding his own involvement and interactions with this daughter, who might publicly accuse him of something that he would rather she wouldn't be able to remember. Monster Joe Snr.
@lilornini
@lilornini 4 ай бұрын
😢 we
@luetner
@luetner 5 ай бұрын
My aunt who was a nurse in the 40's and 50's told me about how the doctors would require the nurses to hold the baby from birth until they got there so the doctor could get credit.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
Shocking!
@malissahyatt2425
@malissahyatt2425 22 күн бұрын
Ego.
@Solidrock-jq6rp
@Solidrock-jq6rp 6 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that holding a baby back until the doctor arrives happened more than you know. Just 18 years ago when I was with my daughter when she was in labor, they were trying to make her hold off until the doctor arrived & I told them it was time & she couldn’t. A midwife delivered her baby instead of the doctor where I watched her pull in the cord afterwards. I told her to wait until my daughter had a contraction to push. A week later my daughter hemorrhaged & when I asked the doctor if it was caused by her pulling on the cord, he said yes. A lot can happen & if there is no one to stop things from happening, then you are at their mercy.
@nempohhangsing3019
@nempohhangsing3019 Жыл бұрын
It's so pathetic that her parents did not accept her as she is, which to me, is the only things she longed for throughout her miserable life, RIP
@janinegrey6937
@janinegrey6937 Жыл бұрын
It is pathetic how judgmental people are when you are not like them. Very scary and cruel!
@jennygoddard6875
@jennygoddard6875 10 ай бұрын
@@janinegrey6937 so reminds me of Diana's death/murder as well in the UK
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls
@JessicaMcGowan-bu4ls 8 ай бұрын
if rich people do that - heaven help people without money.
@MargYork
@MargYork Ай бұрын
It was a different time. One did not speak of such things.:( Then again, there is the case of the daughter of Dale Evans and Roy Rogers. The daughter had Downs Syndrome; Dale wrote a book about her daughter. The legacy of Dale and Roy -- the one for children who are otherly abled -- still lives on. Still based in Apple Valley, California, where Dale and Roy lived.
@meandmy2cents309
@meandmy2cents309 Жыл бұрын
This was the saddest story I’ve heard in a long time. The doctor was a monster and should have gone to prison. Her parents failed her miserably. So busy trying to put on a fake front they sacrificed their own daughter for sake of appearance. Poor Rose.
@silverlining6259
@silverlining6259 Жыл бұрын
And the family is very similar until this day😢
@captainhml3868
@captainhml3868 Жыл бұрын
The father was a monster also.
@saltymurree9779
@saltymurree9779 Жыл бұрын
Seems they cursed their own family line.
@user-zl2io6pp1d
@user-zl2io6pp1d 10 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you.
@cactusflower7820
@cactusflower7820 10 ай бұрын
Maybe, it came down to "expectations." Just listening to this story, I kept thinking it was possible the parents expected her to be high functioning but her progress appeared slow. If she wasn't born to a family which fashioned their lives similar to royalty, her chances of her being accepted regardless of differences not understood, she would have eventually reached her full potential without rejection. The problem with high expectations is once the child is deemed a "failure" for not living up to the perception of the expectations, failure will become the new expectation -- a label one cannot escape -- it'll follow the child for life, as it did for Rosemary. When the commentator revealed she actually had the capacity to understand complex math, explains more than any other theory. She may have never been slow, just extremely intelligent taking time to absorb more information than anyone could perceive.
@AubreyWilkinsWursten
@AubreyWilkinsWursten Ай бұрын
Thank you for focusing on her dignity. This was a real person. Few actions are more cruel than those which strip a person of that dignity.
@palemourningrose2463
@palemourningrose2463 5 ай бұрын
I’m no religious person, but as an Autistic woman, I would say if there’s anyone deserving of becoming a Saint, it would be Rosemary Kennedy. Patron Saint of victims of medical and psychiatric abuse, the disabled, and neurodivergent. I feel a connection to her, as a survivor of psychiatric abuse/malpractice, and I can’t imagine I’m alone in that.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
Good suggestion.
@calliecat1191
@calliecat1191 Ай бұрын
Nope...not alone
@soilmanted
@soilmanted 18 күн бұрын
Me too. You're not alone.
@scooterpush
@scooterpush 10 ай бұрын
My brother was born in 1958. The nurses treated my mother's delivery the same as Rose Kennedy's delivery of Rosemary because my mother's OBGYN was not available at the time. My mother was told to cross her legs and the nurses tried to prevent the birth taking place before the doctor arrived. My brother was born with brain damage from having his head beat against the birth canal for hours. He died 3 days later. So, yes, it most likely is true about Rose Kennedy's delivery because it was still being done 40 years later. The doctor was God and the nurses would be fired. No one sued the doctor back then.
@CRAFTBOSS57
@CRAFTBOSS57 8 ай бұрын
Sadd
@rachel-rb4bp
@rachel-rb4bp 7 ай бұрын
that is absolutely vile - how awful I am so sorry to hear this yes you are right about Dr's thinking they were God.
@justkittensbeingkittens5892
@justkittensbeingkittens5892 5 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry for you and your family, I hope your mom recovered from that and didn’t blame herself
@sherriepectol9324
@sherriepectol9324 4 ай бұрын
I guess knowing myself the way I do I'd have told them where to go and went ahead with giving birth. My Great Grandmother had a drunken Dr. Show up to her house to help with the birth and used forceps crushing the baby's skull.😢😢😢
@PolPot-ef1qq
@PolPot-ef1qq 4 ай бұрын
Doctors still don't have a goddamn clue what they're doing to this day.
@MamaofaWrestler
@MamaofaWrestler Жыл бұрын
Rosemary was the prettiest sister! She had a beautiful smile and looked so full of life. She was probably so frustrated because of how she was treated.😢
@user56gghtf
@user56gghtf Жыл бұрын
Beauty is a radiance that originates from within and comes from inner security and strong character. I think she had a beautiful spirit as well despite not being "normal" like those around her wanted her to be.
@tiffprendergast
@tiffprendergast 10 ай бұрын
@@user56gghtfyeah
@tiffprendergast
@tiffprendergast 10 ай бұрын
Yeah
@kristinholsapple2587
@kristinholsapple2587 10 ай бұрын
Agree 100%
@daniellebrown1779
@daniellebrown1779 10 ай бұрын
Right?! I’d act the same way if I was treated how she was. 😢
@sharonallison9922
@sharonallison9922 6 ай бұрын
I BELIEVE SHE WAS MEDICALLY HARMED TO KEEP QUIET.....SHE KNEW WHAT THE FAMILY WAS DOING 😡😡🤬
@Randomociti100
@Randomociti100 3 ай бұрын
People that have traumatic brain injuries have a lot of rage and can get really infuriated extremely easily. No wonder she was full of anger, they messed with her brain 🤦🏼‍♀️
@ahhhhhhnah
@ahhhhhhnah 11 ай бұрын
As someone who absolutely would have been lobotomized in the early/mid 20th century, Rosemary’s story has always intrigued, horrified, and saddened me.
@eggsndlegsbby8304
@eggsndlegsbby8304 5 ай бұрын
I literally think how grateful I am all the time bc I absolutely would have been lobotomized if I were alive back then :P it’s so messed up
@Dion-rz3fz
@Dion-rz3fz 4 ай бұрын
They didn't say that in this video, but actually the lobotomies sometimes DID work, and cause improvements. They almost would have had too in order for them to go on as many years, and for them to do as many as they did. I believe it is still done, though much rarer now. It sounds like its kind of like vaccines. If your one of the few who gets a terrible life changing reaction to a vaccine, or know of someone personally who has, you naturally are against vaccines! But they seem to do good for the majority.
@mygreatescape9617
@mygreatescape9617 Жыл бұрын
Poor Rosemary, she went through so much torture and anguish, rest in peace sweet lady 🙏❤️
@TexasLyoness
@TexasLyoness 7 ай бұрын
This is so tragic. It was terribly sad to hear she wanted so very much to have her father’s approval.😢
@user-uv2pk2jx9s
@user-uv2pk2jx9s 5 ай бұрын
That kind of happened to my aunt when her first child was born, Charles was born finally and the nurse dropped him on the floor. He was physically disabled! He was my favorite cousin. He passed away at age 18, I miss him greatly!
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
What a tragedy.
@KevinFields777
@KevinFields777 Жыл бұрын
The storytelling here drove home a painful point. While Rosemary may have struggled in many ways, the one thing she had in her early life was that she was a vibrant, communicative and expressive young woman, whose ability to communicate all of that was literally severed by a callous cut of a knife, from which she would never recover and for the rest of her life be largely trapped inside her own mind and body, and then shut away for many years. I can't imagine how much happier she became once she was reunited with her family.
@patriciasoebagio1035
@patriciasoebagio1035 8 ай бұрын
Was wondering if that so called "doctor" who- performed- the -- who criminally assaulted Rosemary -- was ever made to pay for those crimes. But i guess we already can pretty much surmise the answer to that.
@lynnspillane8651
@lynnspillane8651 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this story with us. I think we all know (from other accounts of the Kennedy family history) that father, Joe Kennedy, was an egotistical, greedy and a generally evil person. But what he had done to his own daughter, was truly despicable!
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
He doesn't have the largest fan club!
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973
@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973 4 ай бұрын
She looked almost exactly like my wife and I always found myself feeling really bad for her. The first time I saw her I was struck by her physical beauty and her story just makes me sad
@artistmcbrown98902
@artistmcbrown98902 Жыл бұрын
I'm a 58 year old man and your presentation brought me to tears with an emotion I don't know what to do with other than lose myself in painting with my watercolors for awhile.
@DemelzaBoing
@DemelzaBoing Жыл бұрын
❤❤
@chrisroper2731
@chrisroper2731 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps you will create a masterpiece in watercolors while you find yourself sympathizing with the torture Rosemary must have endured.
@residentpotato6023
@residentpotato6023 Жыл бұрын
Did you also paint when Trump won in 2016?
@user-wh9vj1th3u
@user-wh9vj1th3u Жыл бұрын
I pray and give it to God…but also love watercolors too. God bless.
@NameTaken_86
@NameTaken_86 Жыл бұрын
This is what happens to a world without Christianity.
@LCx829
@LCx829 Жыл бұрын
I cant imagine the pain Rosemary went through. Her family shuffling her around from place to place. Mental health was very inhumane and cruel.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
It was indeed.
@humility1st
@humility1st Жыл бұрын
It is still inhumane and cruel.
@LittleKitty22
@LittleKitty22 Жыл бұрын
It's not much better today. Nowadays they just pump people full of drugs that knock them out and leave them zombiefied - stupid, unable to think or do the simplest things. Chemical lobotomies really! And I've heard so many stories of people in mental facilities getting abused. Not that this is surprising - who would believe them???
@ikblr6250
@ikblr6250 Жыл бұрын
All that money, but shamefully inhumane treatment rather than love and support.
@SovereignStatesman
@SovereignStatesman Жыл бұрын
WAS? It still is.
@carolkristian1146
@carolkristian1146 3 ай бұрын
As a young kid, I often accompanied my mother to Napa State Hospital (Imola) where she was a psychiatric nurse. At that time, her assignment was caring for lobotomized people who were living in one of the doctor's mansions, which had been turned into a ward. I remember getting ice cream and other small items they could ask for. Most were very sweet, but overall, they were the walking dead. No emotion, no joy or unhappiness, just existence. This was about sixty years ago. Many of these folks had been lobotomized during a time when psychotropic drugs such as thorazine and other anti-psychotic drugs were not yet available, and shock treatment had already been tried. This is not to say that all of these patients had suffered from schizophrenia. Some had been chronically anxious or depressed, perhaps violent with behavioral seizures. There was no way to know who or what these people had been at one time. It was a very melancholy and sad place. I've never forgotten these tragic individuals.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 3 ай бұрын
I have seen a few people who were lobotomised but mercifully few.
@nancybates6585
@nancybates6585 3 ай бұрын
I am heartbroken by this story. I had no idea of Rosemary's life or the utter cruelty and disregard for her as a human being. She seemed like a lovely young lady who wished to be treated equally by her parents but missed out on all the blessings her siblings were given. How sad for this beautiful child to have to endure the ignorance and pride of her parents and so-called professionals. 💔
@ruthstallwood3967
@ruthstallwood3967 Жыл бұрын
This is heartbreaking, I can’t imagine a labotomy with just a local anaesthetic. It’s torture ❤
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
The brain has no sensory nerve endings, but the bone at the top of the eye certainly does!
@grangrampa832
@grangrampa832 Жыл бұрын
I can’t see ANY reason for a lobotomy EVER how sick!!
@proudmilitarybrat76
@proudmilitarybrat76 Жыл бұрын
​@professorgraemeyorston you know, my neuro surgeon told me that before my first brain surgery and told me there wouldn't be a lot of pain involved. I'm going in for my 3rd brain surgery on the 7th and I don't know who TF tells doctors that, but they need to quit. I gave birth to my 5 children completely unmedicated and natural. I don't shy away from pain. In fact, I kinda like it 😅 and childbirth is NOTHING compared to the pain involved with it.
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 Жыл бұрын
@@proudmilitarybrat76 You should maybe speak up about this to the docs. There are sedation methods that can be turned up or down, so they could wake you once they are inside the brain. That's the part that doesn't hurt (or shouldn't; ymmv I suppose). They need you awake so they can make sure they aren't cutting into something important. Your case is not something you should have to suffer through. We have very good pain control drugs these days.
@proudmilitarybrat76
@proudmilitarybrat76 Жыл бұрын
@@incognitotorpedo42 yep. We have very good pain medication these days and we're in the middle of a drug epidemic. Although I have never had a drug addiction problem, been treated for an addiction of any sort, or tested positive for anything illegal, after my last surgery in 2019 I was sent home after 72 hours without pain medication because "brain surgery doesn't hurt". I smoke weed now. 😅
@lorettarathjens692
@lorettarathjens692 Жыл бұрын
It is true that the nurses were instructed to hold the baby back by any means until the doctor would arrive. It happened to me, but I was already warned by the county nurse whom I worked for that this was the reason why there were so many mentally challenged children in our county. I believed her
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
So many people have said the same thing, it doesn't say much for medical ethics.
@soilmanted
@soilmanted Жыл бұрын
I suspect this kind of thing has happened to me, more than once. Most recently my urethra was blocked and no-one tried to catheterize me for 11 hours, while they waited for the urologist to show up. First time may have been when I was born. My mother only said that her labor took a long time and pushing me out had become a traumatic experience, helped along by morphine or demerol (which may only slow things down). I was born during a blizzard in NYC, when physicians would have had a hard time getting to the hospital where I was born. My mother showed up at the hospital on the afternoon or evening of 1948 Dec 31 when labor started, but I was not born until 11:00 am on Jan 01. I have some mild neurological abnormalities including severe headaches and atypical facial pain that I remember having as early as age 8 and persisting until now.
@OhK746
@OhK746 Жыл бұрын
It is very true - it happened to my cousin in the seventies. The nurse forced my aunt to delay the birth for 10 minutes and my cousin was born with crossed eyes and has an IQ under 80 😢
@soilmanted
@soilmanted Жыл бұрын
@@OhK746 _How_ did the nurse force your aunt to delay giving birth for 10 minutes? I'm not asking because I don't believe you. I'm asking because if I know how the nurse did that, I would have a better chance of fighting back should a health care worker want to force me to do something that I don't want to do, not to mention force one of my grandchildren to delay giving birth. I feel so fortunate that my wife gave birth to my son at home, with a nurse-midwife, and with me, and not with an MD.
@Olive131
@Olive131 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for your suffering. I believe your story. My mother worked for a doctor in the late 1940s. She said, whenever the doctor entered a room, the women working there were required to stand up to display respect for his superior status.
@SunsetEnvy
@SunsetEnvy Ай бұрын
It's honestly disgusting and depressing how behind and not taken seriously woman's healthcare was and is today.
@sunshine1981
@sunshine1981 4 ай бұрын
It makes me so angry. All of these people including Rosemary, lobotomised. Personalities erased lives ruined. She didn’t deserve this, none did. Medical arrogance. I wonder what Rosemary could have been and done.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
Me too!
@jrosesftv
@jrosesftv Жыл бұрын
My father built her a home in Maitland, FL in the early 1980 with early disability features like ramps, accessible kitchen and bathrooms. This was way ahead of it time for residential construction. I worked for my dad in high school mostly cleaning up after the subcontractors. No one knew who the property was for, except my family. This was to protect her from a prying press that was always willing to expose her and her family.
@justasimplecadjockey687
@justasimplecadjockey687 Жыл бұрын
My grandmother was a nurse at St. Coletta and Alverno dormitories in the late 60's early 70's. She had helped with Rosemary's healthcare needs on several occasions. She claimed to have had interactions with Rose Kennedy and said that Rosemary's lobotomy and subsequent "disappearance" was Joe's way of making sure that she couldn't bring embarrassment or shame to the family. Joe was a real piece of work with a one track mind and ruled the family with an iron fist. My grandmother said that Rose would visit Rosemary fairly often, albeit out of the public eye. I don't know how much my grandmother really knew or interacted, but based on some of the things she had said, I find it hard for her to have made them up. Especially, that there have been several things that have come to light in the last 30 years that would not have been known by anyone except those who had firsthand knowledge.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I hope Rose did visit her daughter, that would have been something.
@sophiesmith5922
@sophiesmith5922 Жыл бұрын
I DO think so, and her brothers loved her in spite of all this.
@michaelpelham9699
@michaelpelham9699 8 ай бұрын
Joseph Kennedy was worried about the family’s image. Allegedly, Rose was aware of Joe Kennedy’s stroke and did not get medical attention for him in response to the decision he made without any discussion with her. As well as his many other discrepancies.
@wiratwainwright7717
@wiratwainwright7717 6 ай бұрын
The greed and the ego of the parents resulted in shameful and disgraceful result for this poor girl. It's a story of the world, the greed and ego of the few often have tragic consequences.
@lindamueller4933
@lindamueller4933 10 ай бұрын
My son was born in 1975. Nurses told me (don't push, Doctor isn't here yet). I continued to push. They administered somthing that knocked me out. My son was healthy. We went home together on the 3rd day. He is smart, funny, and the joy and pride of my life. I have always resented and regretted not being conscious during his birth.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 10 ай бұрын
I have certainly learned something about US obstetric practice from all the similar comments. Thank you.
@heidimisfeldt5685
@heidimisfeldt5685 4 ай бұрын
It's all about making it easy for the professionals, even the fact that a woman has to lay down prostated on her back, for the doctor's ease and convenience. 😡
@kathydoyle5134
@kathydoyle5134 3 ай бұрын
Those Dr’s snd every one of them that practiced evil practices is why more and more people are turning against Dr’s. They aren’t to be trusted with our lives. I can’t imagine the nightmare so many women and lots of people for different reasons went through. It’s terribly didturbing.
@terriduderstadt6053
@terriduderstadt6053 Жыл бұрын
How horribly sad. Both of her parents were hard hearted, due to their pride. I knew she had been lobotomized, but I had no idea what had been done to her before that. As an RN who takes care of people with developmental disabilities and related conditions for 25 years, this brought tears to my eyes. Thank God JFK sought to improve conditions for people with IDD.
@Theresa9311
@Theresa9311 Жыл бұрын
Thank God indeed!
@sandyfarley260
@sandyfarley260 Жыл бұрын
Rose Kennedy was not hard hearted, but just incredibly stupid! And, Joe Kennedy had Rosemary lobotomized before telling her mother about it.
@sgriff3774
@sgriff3774 Жыл бұрын
We are far from helping or medical treating our disabled, mentally ill. We should be ashamed that in the USA this is how our most vulnerable population is regarded. You really don't understand until you go through mental illness or cognitive disability in your own family, with someone you love. It's a true horror show. Stop sending pallets of money to other countries to hurt and kill others. We need to take care of our most vulnerable here and home and then help the world 🙏
@Mike7O7O
@Mike7O7O Жыл бұрын
@@sgriff3774 Its much the same here in the U.K. Susan. If a country or humanity is judged by how we care for the weakest amongst us. We have few reasons to be satisfied with ourselves.
@mariee.5912
@mariee.5912 Жыл бұрын
I think the family was ashamed because it was the norm to institutionalize the children who have special needs.
@pennymartina
@pennymartina Ай бұрын
What a nightmare! How can her parents have done this to her? Having such a horrible procedure done on her, then hiding away the evidence. This is truly disgusting. They took her life away from her. The "doctor" who performed the procedure was a monster. I hope he got his.
@moniquebaldea9299
@moniquebaldea9299 6 ай бұрын
Also, what I have read and what is apparently well known is that when Rosemary finally saw her mother after all the years she was away, the first thing she did was attack her. I believe she remembered fully being abandoned. Even in her lobotomized state. I mean, while wouldn’t?
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 6 ай бұрын
Interesting, I hadn't heard that before.
@northrupmj
@northrupmj Жыл бұрын
I was born in 1968 and a nurse at the hospital in Pennsylvania where i was born tried to but her hand on my head to try to wait for the doctor who hadn't made it into the ER yet. Luckily my mother knew this was a bad idea and "kicked her out of the way". And I've heard similar accounts of this happening with inexperienced nurses. But regardless of what condition she had a lobotomy is horrible and should never happen.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston Жыл бұрын
Well done to your mother!
@LisaD007
@LisaD007 10 ай бұрын
As a psychologist and behavior analyst, I feel that the disintegration of her behavior and emotional functioning over time was largely due to the constant changes in her placement over her lifetime as well as poor medical management. She needed good medical care due to seizures, the consistency of her educational and therapeutic environment, as well as a purpose-filled life, since she was relatively high functioning. Since she lacked these, her condition deteriorated and then she got the blame. The result was her parent’s decision to get her a lobotomy to solve the problems they created. So sad.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 10 ай бұрын
I agree.
@bunk95
@bunk95 7 ай бұрын
Some in the death camp system marketed as management? Poor management?
@delmariecrandall9229
@delmariecrandall9229 7 ай бұрын
Yours is the best comment here. Ditto from retired special education teacher. Alberta, Canada
@paulashipley5992
@paulashipley5992 6 ай бұрын
Awful , how horrible and very sad.
@therealnambro
@therealnambro 6 ай бұрын
The truly sad part is that we are now surrounded by 'parents' like this, they are the norm. They routinely excuse their own behaviors, alleviate all guilt and shame, and take no responsibility for the outcome of their children.
@chykcha
@chykcha 4 ай бұрын
That whole family seems to be cursed. Maybe this is why.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 29 күн бұрын
I can't believe I never thought to search for a mental health historian. I'm very glad that I found this channel just now (thank you, YT algorithm... no, really). I've been into history and mental health for a long time, and since I'm on the autism spectrum, I have a had a unique view of the lobotomy procedure because I know that, had I been born only a mere 100 years ago, I probably would have been forced to get the procedure done. It's very disturbing to me that some people think that people on the spectrum can't show empathy or emotion. This video really choked me up because it was dangerously easy to imagine myself in her shoes. All she wanted was to be loved and appreciated, but the didn't know how to properly communicate those feelings. And for that, she got her brain damaged severely. The lobotomy is unbelievably tragic. I wish more people were aware that there was a short time that this was viewed as the pinnacle of science and a Nobel prize was the reward for depriving thousands of hurting people of ever having happy lives.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 24 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard.
@tomyorston6037
@tomyorston6037 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a sad story - Rosemary seemed like a lovely person. You told this story in a very heart-felt, compelling manner.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas, in all that I've read about her she comes across as a delightful young woman who just wanted to make her parents proud of her.
@catherinehazur7336
@catherinehazur7336 Жыл бұрын
Got to say, that was a very well put together documentary, provoking a lot of deep thinking and thoughtful consideration in your empathetic viewers, as is evident through the comment section here. Liked and subbed.
@moe9246
@moe9246 Жыл бұрын
I’m an RN, and I know this is horrific and hard to believe in this day and age. However, they did things differently back in the not so distant past. I worked with a woman who had a disabled son, who died young. She told me that when she was in labor, the doctor was late, and the nurses held her legs together. She said she could feel her baby’s head banging against her pelvis. They didn’t have fetal monitors or routinely do ultrasounds then like they do now either. A lot of babies strangled on their umbilical cord as it was around the neck and got tighter with each contraction. So glad I practiced nursing in a much more enlightened time.
@jimjilliker2890
@jimjilliker2890 Жыл бұрын
Today’s medical practice is still archaic and a top leading cause of death. Yet every era, the ‘science’ is decided to be settled. Yet people are insane enough to push for ‘mandatory ‘ practices.
@videoluvver1
@videoluvver1 Жыл бұрын
How horrific!!
@moe9246
@moe9246 Жыл бұрын
Reading these replies, I can see now that I was lucky to have practiced with more knowledgeable and caring individuals. In a hospital that kept up with the times. I’m so sorry for anyone who suffered the fools who committed these uncaring, selfish acts.
@emilyashley4820
@emilyashley4820 Жыл бұрын
It is also important to question practices today that might not be good for patients.
@0blivvy8
@0blivvy8 11 ай бұрын
So horrific! I'm beyond thankful for modern healthcare. My water broke 3 weeks early and during active labor, I noticed the nurse and my partner were nervous. They put an oxygen mask on me and didn't tell me till later what was going on because they wanted to keep me calm. When my son crowned, the Dr told me what was going on and asked permission to use forceps. The umbilical cord was wrapped around my son's neck 3 times! His heartbeat was dropping on each contraction. The Dr said it does happen, but 2 times around is rarer, and 3 times very rare! Thank God, my son was born perfectly healthy. Without modern medical monitoring and knowledge, I'm not sure it would've gone so well.
@itchysheets1222
@itchysheets1222 8 ай бұрын
My labor and delivery nurse did that to me when the Dr on call was running late in 2019, and my child had to be revived, it took them a long time, he was totally gray, now I know that she had compressed the umbilical cord in such a way that oxygenated blood could flow away from him but not get back to him. I am considering legal things…but it is just so hard to deal with in my mind. They said my child might have difficulties later on, it could not be known at the time, and it has turned out that he does. Idk why anyone would do that. ETA I’m not lamenting his difficulties, he’s perfect the way he is and I am so so so lucky to be his mom, it’s just the almost losing him part that I can’t get over.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
I found it hard to believe in 1918, to do anything similar in 2019 would be indefensible.
@itchysheets1222
@itchysheets1222 7 ай бұрын
@@professorgraemeyorston I can’t either! I was in a hospital. A “safe”place. People give birth in cars or accidentally at home without a Dr present all the time, nobody ever makes an attempt to keep the baby inside then, so why at a hospital.
@angeliquemarie6265
@angeliquemarie6265 4 ай бұрын
@@itchysheets1222 You’re absolutely right! & you have critical thinking when you ask yourself why at the hospital but not anywhere else? America has the highest infant mortality rate in the world. It’s because of those d@mn hospitals interfering & unnecessary intervention. If a mom can deliver a baby in the passenger seat or on the sidewalk, then why can’t a mom push one out on a bed? A doctor doesn’t HAVE to be present for a baby to be born. Babies are born everyday with out them but it’s the money they want & to be in control of every labor that enters their doors. It’s sick. Watch the documentary “the business of being born” No one should be told to hold their crowning baby inside! Our bodies are designed to birth babies so why can’t nurses of all people understand that? Someone needs their licensed removed & never work in health care again. Too bad they aren’t held accountable for the damage they caused to healthy children. No one should suffer at the hands of “professionals” but you’re better off staying away from the very business that profits from sick, injured & disabled people.
@itchysheets1222
@itchysheets1222 4 ай бұрын
@@angeliquemarie6265 I have seen it and it’s excellent, you’ve inspired me to watch it again. I may just hold them accountable, one way or another. The doctor came in literally running in fancy evening attire and seemed drunk, took her forever to get there when she was on call, one doctor on call for a whole women’s hospital full of women, and you have one Labor and Delivery doctor…on call not even on site. Unreal when I think about it. She probably drove drunk to get there smh
@c.9908
@c.9908 7 ай бұрын
I also do believe the horrible and horrifying story of the nurse forcing Mrs Kennedy to keep her legs tightly closed until the doctor arrived. My mother-in-law was acted upon in exactly the same way when delivering her first of five children in a Boston hospital some 75+ years ago. Consequences followed. I cannot speak to the pushing of the baby back up the birth canal, but it seems as if it would not be beyond the realm of possibility.
@kellyc4144
@kellyc4144 Жыл бұрын
This horror of a birth story sounds exactly like my sister in laws mother. When her mom was delivering the baby, the nurse literally held her legs together for over an hour waiting for the doctor to get there. The baby was born with mental and physical disabilites which are consistent with oxygen deprivation. She couldnt walk but for a couple of steps so she is in a wheelchair. Her speech is slow, she has tantrums and cant dress or care for herself. She has lived a long life and is deeply loved. She is in her 70's now and back then, nurses indeed did hold back the births until the doctor arrived, clearly not all of them but it did happen.
@farrellmcnulty909
@farrellmcnulty909 Жыл бұрын
Oh my God, what shit is this?
@sallyostling
@sallyostling Жыл бұрын
How 😢😢😢. Nowadays the babies coming whether the doctor is there or not. Nurses take care of everything!
@lindahaskovec9735
@lindahaskovec9735 Жыл бұрын
I think the narrator is naive if he believes this doesn’t happen. My mother, a nurse, reported a doctor for doing the same thing. The doctor had promised the patient an epidural, but by the time he reached the hospital the baby was ready to be born. Instead of delivering the baby he gave the woman a saddle block and held the baby until it took affect. The baby died. The Doctor was drunk. These disgusting things do indeed happen.
@sheonaphee91
@sheonaphee91 Жыл бұрын
How could her mother and father allow that to happen to their Beautiful daughter. Shame on them..😢
@kellyc4144
@kellyc4144 Жыл бұрын
@@sheonaphee91 they saw her as an embarrassment rather than a beautiful girl they brought into this world. I can't understand how any parent could view their child as an embarrassment
@AgnesMariaL
@AgnesMariaL Жыл бұрын
I took emergency childbirth training when I was a firefighter/first responder. We were taught that we are NOT allowed to intervene if there is a complication (like, perform a cesarean, or reach in to unwind the cord) but rather to get mom on all fours to attempt to delay birth until the paramedics arrive... As a mother, I looked at the instructor and said, "you can't stop delivery, are you insane? It's not a process that can be controlled, I know!" Several others there who'd experienced childbirth (including fathers who were present as their children were being born) agreed, and also agreed that we should be learning how to assess and deal with complications instead, rather than saying, "don't push!"
@1984FarmDreams
@1984FarmDreams 3 ай бұрын
Well done. Rosemary’s story needs to be told. I think RFK Jr. would want her story to be told to. He has been a voice for the voiceless.
@gigglepants1949
@gigglepants1949 6 ай бұрын
Excellent content, please do more. One small critique, try to match the volume of your commentary to the volume of your music inserts. The music nearly blew my ears out when I had the volume turned up to hear your soft spoken dialogue.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 6 ай бұрын
There are over 100 videos on the channel - and we've got a lot better with the sound with the more recent ones.
@user-kc4rl6gt9t
@user-kc4rl6gt9t Жыл бұрын
It was a pity that Rosemary was among a family that was so highly competative, even on holiday. Imagine how confused she must have felt. God Bless you, Rosemary and thank you, Professor Yorston for your kind and sensitive video.
@chrisconley8583
@chrisconley8583 10 ай бұрын
It was because of Rosemary and because of that “competitiveness” that some good came out of it. Rosemary’s sister Eunice started a camp in the 1960’s for those with “intellectual disabilities”, it evolved into what we call The Special Olympics today.
@SueDamron
@SueDamron Жыл бұрын
I knew a friend in 1966 that something similar happened! It was a nurse who made her “keep her legs tightly closed” when it was inconvenient without the doctor’s presence! No untoward effects happened but this was unconscionable!! I was a labor and delivery nurse 20 years later and delivered 3 babies myself when the doctor couldn’t get there in time! This story is so very sad!!
@videoluvver1
@videoluvver1 Жыл бұрын
Celebrate!! You are a heroine!
@camilleriggan9555
@camilleriggan9555 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing what you knew to be right for both the baby and mother. You were a blessing to mothers and babies. Thank you!🥰
@tinawestergaard2130
@tinawestergaard2130 11 ай бұрын
Wow this is so shocking my sister was delivered by the nurses and the sister at our hospital in 1965 because the doctor had gone to a meeting or home for lunch and there was no stopping the delivery because he wasn't there
@videoluvver1
@videoluvver1 11 ай бұрын
@@tinawestergaard2130 Thank God for the nurses and the sister!
@dalatina911
@dalatina911 8 ай бұрын
Wow. Absolutely tragic. Thank you sharing her story. This presentation was very well put together and informative. Thank you!!
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it.
@terishoemaker-kz5st
@terishoemaker-kz5st 5 ай бұрын
I have a special needs daughter. She went to school, was a cheerleader in a Special Group taught by THE cheerleaders. She graduated with her friends. Now, she goes to reading class at the Literacy Council. NO HIDING at our house❗️
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
Good you for and your daughter.
@cdavham
@cdavham 11 ай бұрын
My mother also experienced this horrific practice of holding a laboring mother’s legs tightly together until the delivering MD arrived. It seemed nurses were more afraid of an angry doctor (who might not collect payment) than of hurting patients.
@Fahima90
@Fahima90 Жыл бұрын
This is horrific and as a Clinician I'm appalled by this story and what happened to her.
@RagDollCookie
@RagDollCookie 4 ай бұрын
This is honestly one of the saddest things I've ever heard. I had heard of this generally, but without the specifics. I didn't know about her blossoming happy life beforehand and that just makes it so much more heartbreaking. They took from her her whole life, they absolutely destroyed a lovely, beautiful, kind and capable woman. And for what?
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
I agree, it such a tragic story that it is hard to believe.
@AJ11OH-IO
@AJ11OH-IO 7 ай бұрын
She was so beautiful. I couldn't imagine myself being constantly valued and compared, especially in that family of wealth. That never would have happened to her in a normal family as it is normal to not be perfect. Very sad story and I never understood how these docs were able to do this for so long.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 7 ай бұрын
It was a real tragedy for Rosemary and so many others.
@TallTraveller
@TallTraveller Жыл бұрын
So sad, she seemed just perfectly lovely and capable of having a great life in the right setting, how devastating to take it all away from her
@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN
@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN 11 ай бұрын
My mother used to clean rich people's houses, before that banks, and we once cleaned every building of Southbury Training School in CT, cleaned up after construction crews like, fixed up each building. My mom got a couple grand a pop, and we (just her and us kids) were able to do them in a day. Wild thing was, this was the early 90s, and still there were mentally ill, highly sedated or like, lobotomized people who would be sitting in one spot outside, rocking back and forth at 7am... Then, when we were heading out at 7pm, they'd still be sitting, rocking, alone in the same spot. Also, so many wandered into the buildings as we were there, just unsupervised, wandering into potentially dangerous areas with zero supervision
@kateburns8126
@kateburns8126 8 ай бұрын
This happened to my husband's great aunt, Ruth. No one knew about Ruth until she passed away. Then the family was told. Too late for anyone to know her. Ruth was never visited by her family that knew where she was. The rest of the family never knew or was given the chance to know her. It was said to my husband that Ruth lost the ability to speak or to communicate in any way. Basically, she was in a vegetative state. 😢😪😢
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 8 ай бұрын
Thank for sharing such a terrible story.
@luv2sail66
@luv2sail66 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for an interesting and well researched presentation. I was aware of her story but your video provided more details and context. As a pediatrician who cared for a number of children with special needs during my career, I have always found her story to be saddening.
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, what is your take on the birth being delayed by the nurse?
@luv2sail66
@luv2sail66 4 ай бұрын
@@professorgraemeyorston that sounds very fishy to me. It sounds like something a family would make up to avoid scrutiny regarding a possible genetic defect. Those types of things carried significant stigma back in that time.
@user-wu9km9js6e
@user-wu9km9js6e 5 ай бұрын
Such a disheartening story and what lovely angle and presentation. Thank you!
@professorgraemeyorston
@professorgraemeyorston 5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@DB-er-Handle2019
@DB-er-Handle2019 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely criminal treatment of a child. Sad and tragic. Have to admit, I'm feeling pretty upset at this story. That said. Great video.
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