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That and locking on to a target in front of you. Many times the lock on doesn’t see the target right in front of you. I kept footage of me jumping across at an enemy, but the game locked onto a pulling device instead. I locked on as I hit R1 and the momentum took me right over the side. Exhausting! Who came up with the dumb left stick for activating sprint while jumping?! Ah, just another bad idea. Exhausting! I don’t care if a game scares me or makes me jump. However, there are times one needs two seconds to catch one’s breath and look around. Not this game! Doom Eternal is NOT souls like! *Call someone over at FromSoft to help rehabilitate this beautiful piece of…

​@@spw947honestly a skill issue

​@@spw947can't even tell you how many times I'd try to lock on and never get a lock on.

Especially because every corner you know someone is going to try to push you off the ledge. It's not even a matter of guessing if there was going to be a hidden enemy. Nope because 100% of every area has at least one hidden enemy that will push you off a ledge

The dev's literally had their small brother or free-intern make the end adyr fight. I can see the friday (or monday morning) lead designer: "Oh, crap, I have a MASSIVE headache, this game is 4 months behind schedule... we need it out now... hey intern, Mikey, is it Mikey? whatever... we need a boss fight to end the game, do whatever you want, it's your call, WHATEVER I DON'T CARE!... I need to go lie to the producers and tell them we're only 4 weeks out to production and distribution!"

It was a bit anti-climactic, but it clearly wasn't intended to be a boss fight. It was more of a thematic fight, where you've beaten the final guardian and are now just slaughtering the noncombatants. You don't even do that fight in the other endings. It's purely to confront you with the question of "are you sure you're working for the right guy?"

The Umbral Ending has a way more satisfying final boss.

That wasn't the real final boss

The Regal Ancestor Spirit is probably much better (the giant deer in Elden Ring).

I would never... Admit it.

@@Mugthief 🤣🫠

Lies of P is actually been nominated in GoldenJoystickAwards for Best Visual Design

@@happy_gaming843 I know but still…in gameplay prespective and level design its just weird for lord of the fallen to be in the GotY one and not Lies of P its either both in, lies of p in, or both out. I mean…diablo 4 is nominated, why not LoP

@@TheKnightCrafter123 Golden Joy Stick Awards is chosen by a bunch of selected critics and nominated their like games like starfield , alan wake 2 hahaha

​@@TheKnightCrafter123Lies of P literally has no level Design whatsoever, you don't even need to try hard to find things, due to how linear it is, LotF will literally make you fet lost as one of its Main points of the game, with how heavy the exploration withcthe dual world mechanic is

Because lords of the fallen is an objectively better game, boasting souls design levels of elden ring. Hell, I've even had a better time with lotf than elden ring, considering I can actually play it on my neo g9 and not be locked to 60fps...😳😳😳

I’m glad it isn’t just me then. Almost 60 hours into the game and the lock on just flat out doesn’t work sometimes. Like you I’ve had enemies clearly within my FOV and yet when I try to lock on my camera just resets instead Infuriating

Dude lock on made me rage so mamy times i cant remember. Fck infinite zombies along with strong enemies and you cant change lock on time

While this is true, I have this issue in almost every souls game...Most of my lockon issues came from trying to lock on to the swollen belly things to get an item or pull a bridge...It definitely needs some adjustment

There all ugly as sin to though the bosses have the cool ones and there unobtainable and that's the primary reason I haven't played lies of P

And 90% of combinations sucks

​@@Thiccness_Is_Delicious??? You can get every single boss weapon. The spectre you can summon even uses the one they drop in the same fight.

​@@Thiccness_Is_Delicious😂Literally could see you never played it please stop giving hot takes on things you never tired

@@Thiccness_Is_Delicious Try not to draw conclusions purely on looks. Also, whaddya mean unobtainable, you can obtain all the boss weapons on your first playthrough

Ninja Theory made DmC 2013 u mean ex devs made up Defiant?

@@halowillneverbegoodagain1868 No, separate studios. I can't find anything substantial about their participation in DMC. They said they did in a interview about Lords of the Fallen but that's it.

@@TurnersTea I would say it's important to have things in context. Mugthief couldn't be bothered to do any sort of research to familiarize himself with the publisher, the developer team, or the history surrounding the development of the title. And if you're going to go into such a lengthy and bitter critique you shouldn't have such a hole in your knowledge base. Ffs I don't even think he said "CI Games" or "Hexworks" even once in the entire review.

@@TurnersTea See people keep comparing to Lords of DS2 but I genuinely don't inderstand this comparison in the slightest. Briostones are pretty much Lifegems and there are some areas in DS2 that have excessive enemy density (Iron Keep and to a lesser extent Shrine of Amana), but DS2's overall game design is much more open-ended in contrast to the stealth-linear design of Lords. Fewer falls to worry about too, and thanks to the enemy despawns, every enemy you kill in a dense area permanently inches you closer to having a clean path through. I put down LotF to play revisit DS2 (which I will defend as my favorite and best Souls game in spite of its flaws) and yeah, I don't see near-identical games. And I thought everyone was in agreement that Elden Ring was Dark Souls 2 2 already. And regarding the quality of a finished product, the average player might not give two shits. But again, if you're doing an hour+ video essay about how much a game makes you upset, at LEAST have some understanding of the creative heads (or lack thereof) behind the product you're critiqueing. It reflects poorly on a reviewer to not even do the most basic level of due diligence. This is not saying that a game should get a "pass", but blame for the faults of a game need to be attributed to the proper sources. Shadows of the Damned is a terrible game, but the problem wasn't with the dev team led by Suda51, but rather John Riccitiello and the other executives of EA at the time. No Man's Sky, on launch was predominantly a victim of Sony forcing an early release, artificially building hype, and forcing a geeky and socially awkward programmer to repeatedly talk to the press and awkwardly make promises he thought he could keep but he couldn't with no PR coach. Multipart essays have been done on everything that went wrong with Sonic 2006 with no small part of it being executives forcing the devs to do things suboptimally for one reason or another. And CI Games, the publisher, has a reputation for demanding unreasonably short development cycles, which was one reason why Deck13 swore off working with them after the original LotF and they continued to burn through dev teams until they made their own... which in turn also means that Hexworks *didn't* have the option to just pack up and leave like Deck13 and Defiant did. A game's greatness or lack thereof is going to be influenced by the environment in which it was made. One of the reasons Lies of P is so impressive is because it was the first game of this type the devs had ever made, and their previous title was a fairly mediocre MMO. And in turn, a bad game will still be bad if it was "handed off 20 times, cost $30 billion to make, and the whole team worked 100 hours a week for 10 years to make it", but if you're going to get as bitter and vitriolic about it as Mugthief did, you *need to actually bother to know where to assign blame*. Crunch culture in video games is, unsurprisingly, a symptom of executives and publishers squeezing the devs after all. If I play a bad game, but the devs clearly were essentially forced to make the game that why by the whims and mandates of higher-ups, I'm absolutely going to reserve most if not all of my vitriol for them. And if I'm going to make a review of a game I genuinely despise, you better fucking believe I'm going to at least spare the time for reading the corresponding wikipedia page to get some sense of the the development and significant individuals surrounding it.

@@TurnersTea Exactly right. It’s not like these games are cheap on release. If they said we’re going to shave £10 or £15 off the price because development was troubled and we’re not releasing the game in the state we would’ve liked then fair enough, that’s a better informed purchase on our part or not as the case may be. But they didn’t. I don’t really care how informal and friendly their patch notes are and given how much bullshit is in the game even now performance wise, I’m not really in a position to extend them any degree of courtesy on a game that cost £60.

Even in the video he says running and dodging attacks deal less damage, and multi-hit moves deal different amounts of damage as well. I'm also 100% sure charged attacks also deal more damage. So... What's left? What's the actual complaint?

@@jankbunky4279 He said it himself. The attacks you listed are fine and that's good that they do differing amounts of damage. The point is that while 1-handed and 2-handed attacks do different damage when comparing the two, the damage is not dependent on how long the animation is. To directly quote Mug at 16:39: "If my wide reaching, very fast, and very horizontal attacks do the same damage as the slower very vertical attacks, why would I use the vertical ones?" That's the main problem. Most of the time, especially in this game if you're fighting hordes of enemies, you will always want to do the fastest attack with the most damage and preferably long reach. Putting yourself at a disadvantage intentionally doesn't feel good, even if you want to use your weapon's full move set. I don't really understand what your point is I guess. The moves you listed do different damage but that has nothing to do with what he said. Like yeah that's great that running attacks do different damage but that doesn't make up for the fact you aren't rewarded for playing riskier and doing heavier non-charged attacks.

He actually got that wrong. The slower (R2) attacks don't do more physical but they do more posture damage. Depending on the enemy you're fighting, you can get a few heavy hits in, break their posture, and get a critical hit. Can't get that with the same number of light (R1) attacks. So there is a difference.

@lloxu difference in posture/poise damage, situational difference in reach/angle, and simply the fact that heavy attacks can become charged heavy attacks. He literally says "all of your attacks deal the same damage within that stance". This is completely wrong. Just a weird way to phrase it.

@@Aryaa238 I see, that’s my bad then. Admittedly I haven’t played the game so I just went based on what he said. Thanks for both of you correcting me.

Hopefully it isn't truly The Lords of The Fallen of video game analysis.

@@Mugthief Good video glad I found you keep it up dude.

If you repeated the same exact point 100 times during the video then it would most deff be the lotf of video game analysis lol

I highly recommend checking out Matthewmatosis for more content like this that exceeds the standard youtube analysis like MugThief, but with surprisingly more depth in my opinion. He has videos on Dark Souls 1, 2, as well as the Soulsborne games in general.

But you can, sure has more enemys that ds but clearable, make use of seeds and plan you areas so that u have an exit from umbral.

​@@barsham7881not in Umbral - they'll keep spawning endlessly

​@barsham7881 yeah this doesn't really fix the exploration issue. Having to take a million years every single room full of 12 enemies makes exploration feel like a chore. It's one of the largest, common complaints about the game.

It is a common complaint but it’s also overblown. It’s more difficult in the beginning because you have no build, no good weapons, no nothing. Learn the area and what the enemies do for attacks, used ranged combat or spells and it will make it loads easier. Once you know where everything is it makes it a lot easier. Just like every other souls game ever made.

I really like it , just like lies of p , you just got to get good.

@@alex.starostin it needs a lot of work still imo. Hexworks have been diligently pushing out patches and are aiming to adjust things like enemy density and aggro range for example. I was initially happy to hear this until I learned that these “adjustments” would only effect standard NG. NG+ enemy density and aggro range will remain unchanged. It’s.. comical. It’s as if they’re refusing to outright let go of their “intended vision” as one of the devs called it. Well, I’m sorry chief your intended vision just kind of completely misses the point of why a good souls game is both challenging AND fun/satisfying to play

Impressive how much wasted potential it has. Exactly.

jumps could have been fun if the mechanic was fixed.

the original had way too many mobs as well its like lazy instead of investing in enemy s they just said lets just add more. @@loneshinobi2682

60hrs in lol

I never felt as it was that insufferable until some very specific areas (mostly the very last level), but at that point since you can sprint so fast you can just skip them.

@@lunasllenas1997 i cheesed through everything with poison grenade + wither grenade after mid game. Because encounters become mundane

Currently you also need to reset your weapon runes every time you log in too, because the game inexplicably removes them.

Thank you for watching! I just try to be honest and give sound arguments for my opinions, but you might be right that people tend to exaggerate stuff since it's easier to sell extreme opinions for views.

@@Mugthief agreed for sure. I feel like LOTF is a very polarizing game. It's just not for some people and I feel like this is probably being amplified by some content creators having an outright vendetta towards the game.

Agree. I like the game, but these are fair critiques.

​@@sgtflamingo6532you have bad taste

@@23Butanedione you have a attitude apparently. Go touch some grass.

They decided to add a ng+0 option with all vestiges added to help with people who had a problem with ng+1

Ummm, cool points but this is already their 2nd go. They made a game before this, it was also utter garbage, like this trashcan of a game.

@@davidreese5730 lol, it's not trash. First game may have been

Sorry the standards for games is so low, it's like all the people freaking out on the GTA 6 trailer. Literal TikTok low IQ trailer trash garbage. Unfortunately, the indie space is the only place for real games anymore.

Lol

I lol at that last thought. It does seem like someone said ok stand here...ima build some boxes and shit around you....now just stay there for a few thousand years until someone finally walks by and then jump out and push them off the ledge lol.

Cringe, gameplay is king

@@23Butanedione the gameplay is good. this dude just sucks at games.

100% agree. I’ve finished LOTF and now I’m halfway through Lies of P. There’s no question that the latter does almost everything better. The combat, story, setting, music etc. Lords of the fallen does do one thing better and that’s it’s exploration. Going from one to the other Lies of P feels very linear in comparison.

@@WristyPlumI know what you mean, but the enemy density and placement almost ruins the exploration. Once I got to Fitzroy it’s like the Devs just gave up on fair interesting enemy encounters and just spammed them with archers everywhere

@@DrayLoco yeah I agree with you. I don’t think I truely realised how much of a chore LOTF felt until I beat lies of p. I was ready for LOTF to end, I was sad for lies of p to finish.

The combat is absolutely the most important part of games like this for me. If I don't enjoy it, I simply stop playing, and I don't even ask for a refund, I move on. The controls has to be smooth, and Drak Souls 3 spoiled me in this department. If a game can't play and control smoothly like that game, I don't enjoy it, and I'm enjoying LotF just as much as DS3. I'm enjoying it a lot more than Elden Ring.

@@Andy_Paris If you enjoy it more then that's honestly good for you, but fundamentally it's the worst character movement we've had since Dark souls 2, The running is gimmickly fast and the dodging covers absurd distance to the point it becomes a detriment. Spacing doesn't matter in this game because enemies will latch and pull themselves towards you from unsuspecting distances and you'll be doing the same with some attacks. Almost every fight is a gank and there's no AI there to differentiate a 1 on 1 fight from a group fight. Enemies will pile on you, sync up animations and chase you to the other corner of the map. LOTF wants to push this Observe, plan and execute strategy, Before every big gank fight they will let you see it from a safe distance the issue whoever is they expect you to have magic, or ranged attacks as a secondary form of damage, Magic and Ranged fighting isn't my playstyle I prefer dodging on light weight with a dex weapon for fast attacks. LOTF would not let me play this way at all, you NEED a large weapon that can sweep to clear groups of adds that should be popcorns enemies (one shots), you need some form of ranged attacks to finish of stragglers or other ranged threats before a fight begins or during the chaos. To do anything else feels like your playing against the games design. It's like if Sekiro was the exact same game however wolf had on heavy armour, with a fat roll and a greatsword with slow attacks

@@bwhere45 It has one of the best gameplay polish I've played, as good as Dark Souls 3, which is a very big deal for me, because Dark Souls 3 spoiled me. If the combat is not smooth, I can't enjoy it. Maybe that's how? I don't know how else to explain it besides a comparison. Monster Hunter World is another example, super janky combat until you learn the weapon's move set, then it feels good to play.

@@Nocturnal9720 Interesting. It seems you haven't played a lot then. For example, the sprinting was updated, and feels heavier and more grounded, not "gimmicky fast." Another thing too is you claim you need a large heavy weapon to be successful in combat. I dual wield in every souls-like game I play, and in this game, it has one of the best combat mechanics for dual wielding I've experienced, way better than Elden Ring. You can switch to a two handed stance very quickly, and there's multiple move sets for dual wielding, and I find myself using all of the move sets, which was suprising. I switch to a two handed stance for single, 1 on 1 enemy engagement, then switch again to engage multiple enemies or to proc status effects on a single enemy. The transitions between stances is very smooth. You say the enemy's aggro is too much, but in the recent update, they shortened the enemy aggro and tether distance. You now have to get closer to an enemy (except for bosses) to aggro them, and they will not chase you for as long if you decide to disengage. I never asked for these updates, it's people like you that complained, and the devs catered to that outcry, because now, the game is even easier than before. Fighting a horde of enemies is not a problem when you kite them to a vantage point, and take them all out in one swoop, and that's just one example. In Dark Souls 2, I defeated every single enemy over and over until they permanently stopped respawning. The combat is the *most* important part of every game I play, it's very fun, _then_ I explore afterwards. If the combat is not smooth and fun, then I quit playing it, and LotF has one of the best combat experiences I've ever played. Think Monster Hunter World. The game is smooth to play, but the weapons feel super janky until you learn it's move set, then it becomes very fun to play. What makes souls-like fun, is learning from experiences. It's about the journey of overcoming hardship, and that feeling you get from accomplishing the game the best way you can isn't found easily in other games. That's one of the reasons Soulsborne games are so popular.

@@Andy_Paris I have 40 hours in this game.... I never really voiced my concerns as much, Also I never said the game was too difficult, It's a slog of repeating enemy's similar move sets and the same ganks and gotcha moments. It was just a chore on top of everything being boring. I didn't tell you not to like the game, I wish I liked it, but it's just not fun to me and game design wise the combat is filled with holes. Also don't fucking preach to me in your glass house on the edge of a cliff, I've been playing souls-likes for over 10 years now since demons souls, Platinum and 100% on every one, I've done many challenge runs because these games are what I live for. Don't take my critique and treat it as if it's invalid just because you like the fucking game, you're allowed and encourage to talk about what's bad with the games other wise they'll just get worse and worse. I haven't played since any of the updates because fundamentally the game is not fun for me. the umbral mechanics is a gimmick and I lost interest after the first few areas, all it does is serve as a glorified respawn system, hide secret doors or alternate routes or platform pulling, it's a wasted idea. The too many weapons share the same category, why the fuck are curved swords in the same class using the same move set as short swords, not to mention a lot of one handed weapons like axes and maces share this move set to an extent, there's like 3 different move sets for dual wielding and the removal of heavy attacks for a "separate" move set usually designed to combat groups . This game teaches you everything you need to know about it after the first main area, it doesn't change and it doesn't become fun, the bosses are a joke or a slog take your pick. the only things I liked in this game where the Artistic style and details, some instances of level design which was ruined by the vestige system and the way magic and ranged weapons are controlled which sadly I didn't want to use anyway because it's not what I enjoy doing

That’s part of the risk and reward of a first playthrough. Once I learned where things were it was much easier. I’m in a second playthrough and I’m going umbral all the time because I want to kill the reaper for the scourings and get the 3x multiplier

agree@@georgen5882

I think that's the intended design. Umbral is your high risk zone. You only get once chance before dying, healing heals less actual health and you have to earn the rest of it by hitting enemies, you get more souls and there are some good items that you can only find in the Umbral. It's a pretty good risk/reward mechanic in my opinion. At least with all the forced umbral sections, where you have to transition to progress, they always have an effigy at the end.

i actually loved that. The fact that you need to plan your escape before hand to not get overrun made it really interesting. and i was dreading to go Umbral until i knew what i was doing. 10/10

Having to buy the key should of told you that area was a kind of bonus area to really test your mettle.

​@Springreverb8 that key is for a bonus area WITHIN Pilgrim's Perch, and is *required* to get to a mandatory section later. And even if you don't touch any of that area your first time through (which you shouldn't, the enemies are way stronger but it's hard to tell at a glance you shouldn't be there because they are the *same* enemies)... First time through Pilgrim's Perch long overstays its welcome by a lot. It's an area annoying enough as is in the day section, you get through, and it just KEEPS going. It is the worst part of playing through the game again because unlike Forsaken Fen, besides that one door, it is all critical path and way too long.

that's a thing since DS1

I actually really hate the hit stop, especially when swinging through multiple enemies.

Lords of the Fallen had over 400 developers work on it. Their own marketing material says as much. I don't consider that a "small size dev."

I think the intent is that you go back through areas to explore further when youve gotten stronger. Ive noticed a fuller experience in the game so far with that method.

This guy's is just a cry baby

Spoiler:you don't have to roll if you don't want.

That's my biggest issue with the game. Other than that, I personally don't mind the enemy density. I love taking down dense groups of enemies with the tools given to me. But some levels are so frustrating in regards to where you can step and how far a dodge or an attack can take you

​@@BurnishedKnightidiot

what do « i’m 32:9 » means here ???

@@ninja_k7483 ratio of the monitor. Resolution is 3840x1080

that's the whole point of it. Umbral is dangerous, you shouldn't be there for long. That's why the eye-meter is called dread, friend.

@@NoisieBastrdd I never felt like it was dangerous though, it felt extremely annoying and cumbersome. Throwing endless amounts of trash enemies is not a challenge, it's a chore.

​@@SpawnovaI felt like this. They're just throwing mobs at you and hiding enemies so you get pushed off ledges. The game feels like a massive f**k you to the player.

It's definitely a cool idea. Very much in the vain of soul reaver. I feel like there was probably things they wanted to do that they couldn't do and so all the stuff in the umbral world just ended up being weak, time wasting.

Same.

Love it, you're so right! Thanks for the comment!

I totally agree. I don't like ds2's ganks, and lotf also sometimes features too many enemies, but by and large how enemies and the player moveset function is quite different. We can soulflay enemies, we almost always have access to pretty quick strong projectiles and aoe's, our movesets are fast and reach far, singular enemies are killed quickly, we have a second life after death which can be regained before reaching a checkpoint... It's obvious that it isn't as simple as "many enemy bad".

99.9% of people all agree it’s to many.

This was a very well written review and you've got me as a subscriber. Keep on keeping on and I look forward to seeing more of your videos in the future.

It can happen to anyone. It can happen to anyone.

BUT when enemies get stuck this way, it sucks ass. I just fought sacred resonance whatever bellhead guy and shot him a fireball, he was close to stalagmites on the stairs and he got stuck in there. just standing still

Playing this abomination after Lies of P really made me appreciate that game so much more. It's a masterpiece, and honestly it even outshines from soft games in certain areas. Can't wait for the DLC.

I feel the same way. There's definitely things that I get irritated with, but that comes with the souls like title. I really enjoy this game and it's grungy art style and story. I'm really enjoying my first playthrough and I look forward to playing it again. But if I hadn't impulse bought it and done research into it beforehand, I think I would've missed out

When it comes down to it, I had a lot of fun with this game. All criticisms granted. However what kills me about the reviewing trend is the focus on the amount of trash mobs, which only actually applies to Umbral. The mode that the game encourages you to spend the least amount of time fully inside of because it's supposed to be more dangerous. I'd say "git gud", but I know plenty of people reading this comment will have gotten gud and continued to play all the way to the end just so they could critique the game with credibility in online forums. Then there's me, who had fun

Finished the game this week. Still have PTSD with wooden scaffolding. Also I just don't get the game design, why is Umbral on a timer, you are already punished by being in that realm by removing your second life. Elden Ring is special because it balances the quiet moments with intense ones, LOTF has real pacing issues. But man, im mixed on it, as i enjoyed some of the boss fights. Some armors and weapons looked pretty sweet too...

I played it on release day and had no trouble with enemy density. It's allegedly been reduced since then; I had a fun time but not enough to go back and check.

Probably just a matter of different strokes. I bought it a month ago and it's the first game in 30 years of gaming that I've traded in. The game felt absolutely horrible to play. I played for about 20 hours and realized I was making excuses for it the whole time. I really wanted to like it.

Same but I’d say the performance pushed it from a 6/10 to a 2/10.

Runs pretty solid at this point. Not *good*, but it works fine.

I knew a girl with that tattoo.

The lamp literally flashes, both in the item icon and it glows brightly on your character model. There's also just the actual vines on the ground. Not sure how much more obvious they could make it.

Tried modern Fromsoft's other games?

@@smergthedargon8974 I played every FS game multiple times yes

@@domsnow6418 Ah, good to hear. Lovely games, aren't they?

@@smergthedargon8974 yes, all of them at least an 8.5/10 for me :)

@@domsnow6418 I don't know if it'd be that generous for DeS and Demon's Souls, but they are all great games, truly.

dks2 asks you to respect your environment as much as your enemies

@@l0rdfr3nchy7 idk if id call "planting cheap gotcha enemy placement" everywhere a way of making the player respect the environment. i think ds1's emphasis on interconnectivity and shortcuts made the player respect the environment much more. it's hard to feel "hopeless in the middle of nowhere" in ds2 because there are so many bonefires and everything is a corridor.

@@samuelmcl.9474 runs past enemies, reaches dead end, gets killed while backed in a corner, "gank squads everywhere game bad!"

@@l0rdfr3nchy7 i never run past enemies lol. Dark Souls 2’s design issues have been well documented and a quick youtube search will help out if youre genuinely curious

@@samuelmcl.9474 im well aware of the unwarrented hate towards dks2 thank you xD

I can tell you've never played the first Dark Souls. It has the same type of interconnectedness but far better.

I'm liking it alot too I think they have easy moves fir crowd control an I think starring at ppilgrims perch was to force us to have to learn to block Not jus dodge everything