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Progress Doesn't Always Suck- Saga Of The Kickstart Harley

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Uncle Tony's Garage

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2 жыл бұрын

There's no denying the coolness and appeal of classic era cars and motorcycles, but there's more to the reality of retro machinery than meets the eye. The difference between starting a 1961 motorcycle and one from 2001 is what we're talking about.
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@WhiteTrashMotorsports
@WhiteTrashMotorsports 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things I love the most about old machines is each has its own personality.
@nickthompson9697
@nickthompson9697 2 жыл бұрын
You said it. The International s2600 at work comes to mind. Cummins 400, Eaton 4ll and no working gauges except air.
@Zephyrmec
@Zephyrmec 2 жыл бұрын
My. Everyday ride until about 15 years ago was a 64 Panhead FLH Dresser. It also had its very own start procedure. It started the first kick, or the 10,001 st kick, the trick was finding out exactly which stroke it was on, before you put fire to the coils. If your old HD had a battery to put put power to coils: 1: RETARD TIMING ALL THE WAY (Skip this step once and you will know why this is so important) 2: set enrichment to on 3: Crack throttle 4: Leave bike on stand, you stand on right side of bike. Gently move kicker until teeth are engaged and keep easing kick lever with your left leg until the first jug with compression is just before TDC, ignition on...... don’t kick, push through in a smooth motion, the first jug will fire, then the second, gradually advance timer to keep bike running, add a little throttle and gently add timing to smooth it out, As bike warms up, back off on enricher as everything smooths out. Get on bike and grab some clutch, make sure mousetrap engages, engage low gear and happy biking! A bit different than turn on key, push button, and go!
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part about old stuff is trying to find out as much of its history as I can just by looking through it and working on it. So much fun to see other people’s repairs and mods stuff like that.
@pbsocal1
@pbsocal1 2 жыл бұрын
Every piece of machinery has it's own idiosyncrasies!
@jeromebreeding3302
@jeromebreeding3302 2 жыл бұрын
With that big build-up with the starting drill, I expected you to start it !, That did'nt happen, dissapointing.
@joshuagriego1562
@joshuagriego1562 2 жыл бұрын
My 1967 BSA made my mornings happier than any other vehicle I've owned because it DOESN'T have a button. Tickle the carb, touch of choke, touch of throttle, and just one kick with follow through from TDC. The starter button on my 2006 just feels like decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer, and steak made of tofu
@stuckinmygarage6220
@stuckinmygarage6220 2 жыл бұрын
I like yr thinking. 👍
@jeromebreeding3302
@jeromebreeding3302 2 жыл бұрын
I can relate. My 77 Bonneville has the same Amal concentric carbs .Tickling the button effectively floods the carbs, making starting a one or two kick afair, assuming the timing is correct, and. the battery is. up.
@Chevyv8man1
@Chevyv8man1 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, You forgot to mention that when you ride the older one you get the feeling of the basic motorcycle that makes a motorcycle a motorcycle. I'll take the old one myself. I have a 79, & a 81 ironheads, a 80 and 84 shovelheads, and a 2013 full bagger and love them all. They all have they're own little quirks about them and they're own place in my heart. Time doesn't mater, what maters is what you feel like at the time. lol - later
@scottwilliams5196
@scottwilliams5196 2 жыл бұрын
All my growing up years, the newer models of everything are what we looked forward to. New cars arriving at the dealership was a huge event. Now everything new is worse. Does anyone believe a new washing machine will last 30 yrs? Can you imagine sometime in the future that someone will get thrilled at finding an old Expedition or Sable behind a barn? No, that isn't gonna happen. Everything new is crap. I'm ok without heated seats and mirrors. I just don't want to be a slave in a world of suck and despair.
@MrNota500
@MrNota500 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe right now the sable and expedition are nothing to get excited about, but maybe in the not so distant future they will be. Especially if we make the switch to all electric vehicles. You have to remember back in the 70's the muscle cars were just cars and no one thought they would be worth a dime today.
@chrisfreemesser5707
@chrisfreemesser5707 2 жыл бұрын
20 years ago you'd see an old VW Beetle in somebody's front yard with a $500 for sale sign on it. Now it's $5000. Time has a way of changing things...
@tomjackson4374
@tomjackson4374 2 жыл бұрын
It's just begun. Heated seats? Pay a subscription. Remote start? Pay a subscription. Backup camera? Pay a subscription. And if they get away with that you will be paying a subscription to use the brakes. Just wait.
@burgegerm7878
@burgegerm7878 2 жыл бұрын
I think the older Tauruses and Sables have a bit of a following. Not big, but those cars do have their fans. I think there are a lot of people who have interest in the 80s and 90s cars, like the Chrysler K type cars, GM sedans, etc... The issue is that those cars are trickier to get fixed up since they were already becoming controlled by electronics.
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 2 жыл бұрын
That's not really evolution that's the problem, it's cost cutting. It's certainly possible to make something last decades with today's technology, but Joe Public wants the cheapest possible product, while the high rafter bats want the most profit.
@musclecarmitch908
@musclecarmitch908 2 жыл бұрын
Alot of folks dont realize how hard it is to operate a model T ford, so simple yet complicated! I think the sweet spot of evolution was the late 60's early 70's! Great video and subject! Really makes us think!
@manicmechanic448
@manicmechanic448 2 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@NavinJohnson_thethird
@NavinJohnson_thethird 2 жыл бұрын
Of course a lot of people realize how hard it is because most people buy newer cars so that they don't have to deal with problems that old cars have. :-D
@manicmechanic448
@manicmechanic448 2 жыл бұрын
@@NavinJohnson_thethird no. It's because the TV says "Buy this thing because it's better and a good deal!" Meanwhile your paying thousands more than it's actually worth. Then about a hundred thousand or so miles later it's weak points start showing up then you trade it in for another pile of crap because the big TV says so. Ask me how I know.
@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666
@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666 2 жыл бұрын
During the model T era, doctors discovered a specific arm break they began referring to as the "Ford break". This happened when people forgot to retard the timing before turning the crank. True story.
@musclecarmitch908
@musclecarmitch908 2 жыл бұрын
@@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666 👍
@justingillott1184
@justingillott1184 2 жыл бұрын
I had a '76 Nova years ago with a 250 6cyl. Cold start procedure with that one included a holding the choke with a screwdriver, squirting a little bit of starting fluid, and praying that it would stay running long enough to get back out and pull the screwdriver before it stalled. Being young, I eventually installed a push button ignition switch under the hood so that I didn't have to try and run in and out of the car to get it running. Looking back, being young and dumb,, it never crossed my mind to actually just fix the choke so it would start normally.....lol
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
That’s hilarious. I had the choke disconnected from its heat coil thing on my 68 impala for the longest time I would pop the hood set it by hand let it run for a bit then let it off by hand lmao. Finally got around to fixing it after having to set it in the rain and burning my hand too many times.
@scotcoon1186
@scotcoon1186 2 жыл бұрын
We had a couple early 80s dodge pick-ups on the farm that had choke cables.
@redmondjp
@redmondjp 2 жыл бұрын
My now-wife had a 1975 Nova with the same engine when I met her. One of the first things that I did was to install a manual choke. A lot of GM vehicles have a piss-poor choke heater design that results in poor operation. And the crazy thing about Chevy inline 6 engines - my 1941 Chevrolet was the same - you only needed the choke to start it and then you could immediately open it up completely, so long as it was only idling with no load on it.
@mikew6765
@mikew6765 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great presentation. If a kid really did have to start that bike they'd truly believe we did walk 3 miles up hill to school and back every day.
@JOMaMa..
@JOMaMa.. 2 жыл бұрын
You did many times riding that bike
@elmerfudpucker3204
@elmerfudpucker3204 2 жыл бұрын
LOL, I love having one of my more "modern" friends try to drive my carbureted, manual trans, manual steering 1973 F-100. Most of them can't even get it started, much less operate a clutch.
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up as a kid in the 70s and 80s, I remember seeing bikers going through all sorts with their bikes on the side of the road. If 20 bikes pulled up, you could bet at least one would have trouble getting going again. Every ride had a black van or pickup following to pick up the DNF's. Being able to start your bike first pop was something to aspire to. It was a big part of why Japanese bikes took over so quickly.
@MrNota500
@MrNota500 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that and they were cheaper, then starting around the 80's when they grew in the American market they gave them larger engines so they were faster.
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110
@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrNota500 Four cylinder double overhead cam all alloy motors, electric start, disk brakes....like they came from another world.
@DougsterWolverineGarage
@DougsterWolverineGarage 2 жыл бұрын
My 72 bone stock cb 750k still lights right up every time. With points too!
@mikerobinson3672
@mikerobinson3672 2 жыл бұрын
@@DougsterWolverineGarage same as my 72 CL450 and my 77 GL1000. My CX 500 flat track bike can be temperamental but its pretty highly modified.
@DougsterWolverineGarage
@DougsterWolverineGarage 2 жыл бұрын
My bro two years ago did a 75 gl 1000 cafe racer with a supercharger and custom electronic fuel injection that thing was a friggin ANIMAL! he would beat up on me with my stock 97 valkyrie! And I had 500+ cc and two more cylinders on him!
@HarleyHawk1
@HarleyHawk1 2 жыл бұрын
I only ride the old 1974 ironhead Sportster. I have absolutely zero desire to ride a new road bike. I'd rather have a Japanese one than a new Harley. Four speed, Kickstart, 1000cc. It doesn't get much simpler and fun than that You're right Tony, depending on if the motor is cold, lukewarm, or hot it has a completely different starting procedure every time. I can get it one to two kicks every time unless it's lukewarm. That's the hardest one for me to figure out
@james.carty.9043
@james.carty.9043 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes we love these things because they're old school quirky and different.
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 2 жыл бұрын
If a car is old, obsolete, and a pain in the ass, I think it's a cool car.
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
Or it’s all we can afford in my case 🤣 still love it tho
@kidsteach938
@kidsteach938 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's more fun if you have to "work" for your fun. You can take some sort of pride in having a skill that not everyone has. Something that has to be perfected. When you learn how to do it, it's yours...you own it.
@don66hotrod94
@don66hotrod94 2 жыл бұрын
I am old enough to remember my Dad's 57, 63, 66, and 68 Plymouths not wanting to start in the extreme cold Wisconsin winter. The 73 Fury was a different story with the electronic ignition.
@darrylh.6829
@darrylh.6829 2 жыл бұрын
You make it sound complicated. I use to ride a 45ci flathead when I was 16. I took my drivers test on it.
@nickk1658
@nickk1658 2 жыл бұрын
LOL. #nailedit. Decades ago, driving my old Alfa Romeo in London, heavy traffic almost always resulted in having to pull over, whip the plugs out, and clean them. In the end, the whole job took about 2 mins and I would be on my way again. We are so pampered today.
@ravenwinger1
@ravenwinger1 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention everybody (including me) had a chain master link attached to their boot.
@SweatyFatGuy
@SweatyFatGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Part of me wants to move south, a larger part of me likes the inexpensive land and nobody coming around to find things of mine they can pawn. November to May isn't that long to wait for the snow and salt to go away. I get to drive my old stuff when the snow and salt is gone. I love my old stuff.
@Timman57
@Timman57 2 жыл бұрын
You just gotta remember unless you have money, you need to be a mechanic to own older bikes and vehicles.
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
True. Even if you got the money it doesn’t hurt to have some knowledge. Jay Leno has ended up on the side of the road quite a few times and he’s got infinite money.
@daverosinski3663
@daverosinski3663 2 жыл бұрын
That brought back memories of starting mine. I had a Mikuni and some radical P cams installed, but still wasn't too bad to start. Miss that bike.
@tomboone201
@tomboone201 2 жыл бұрын
Love round slide Mic's .. I still run them .. Beats a zenith / bendix .. Conversion carb, converts air/ gas into noise and smoke 😆
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I see Tony work on a carbuerated system I find it fascinating, but am glad EFI exists.
@mikind7
@mikind7 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that the older Sportsters had the shift on the right and brake on the left like British bikes of the era.
@Vantrise-cg1of
@Vantrise-cg1of 2 жыл бұрын
Nice pair of Swine you have there. That sporty is old tech at its finest, its just beautiful. I love the Buell Blast too. I have an 04 Buell Firebolt and I love it. Many people have tried to buy it from me and I tell them they can have it the day I take a dirt nap. Be safe out there and look out for those people in cages.
@needmetal3221
@needmetal3221 2 жыл бұрын
They dont make em like they used to. Sometimes for a damn good reason
@67L-88
@67L-88 2 жыл бұрын
You darn kids today with your electric starters, in my day we would hurt our leg starting our bikes and we liked it !!
@NeoVoodooTech
@NeoVoodooTech 2 жыл бұрын
Best way I learned to ride, I built a bare bones motorcycle with no frills.
@boxedfender4810
@boxedfender4810 2 жыл бұрын
Like a mini bike? That's as no frills as you get. We were lucky to have brakes
@lynardskynard9325
@lynardskynard9325 2 жыл бұрын
Stopping One Of These Requires Even Much More Than Starting one. Plan It Out 2 blocks in advance LOL
@davidleonard8369
@davidleonard8369 2 жыл бұрын
Especially when you go for the rear brake and just keep stomping on the shifter, lol!
@lynardskynard9325
@lynardskynard9325 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidleonard8369 Getting it caught between gears Can get ugly
@xs650abear6
@xs650abear6 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 1966 XLCH and on a chilly fall morning, 40ish degrees I would go out to the garage push the bike outside in anticipation of a beautiful ride. I would be dressed for it , flannel shirt, hoodie, leather jacket and gloves. After the first ten kicks, off would come the leather gloves and jacket. Second 10 kicks, off comes the hoodie, another 10 and I'm down to my Tee shirt and sweating like it's a 90 degree summer day. Finally the bike fires up. Now I get to put all those clothes back on and as I'm zipping up my leather jacket the bike stalls. I loved that bike.
@morgangallowglass8668
@morgangallowglass8668 2 жыл бұрын
Memories of my 57 R60/2. Tickle the carbs and work that kicker. I'll take old school every time!
@mattdonna9677
@mattdonna9677 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my 1978 FLH, always carried extra spark plugs, same procedure as Tony's. But I enjoyed it, that bike got me laid so many times..,....
@robjones8733
@robjones8733 2 жыл бұрын
Vibration...😇
@mattdonna9677
@mattdonna9677 2 жыл бұрын
@@robjones8733 yes, it was a genuine Milwaukee vibrator.
@edpetrikk2027
@edpetrikk2027 2 жыл бұрын
Uncle Tony .. I kickstarted my 42 Knuckle..for many a year…you had to know the proper procedure or else you’ll run out of breath or break a leg …after I learned the procedure…she would kick over in the first ..or..second kick ..😎
@guamtoecutter2113
@guamtoecutter2113 2 жыл бұрын
I still got the scar on my shin from my uncles 600 single enduro bike! That required exactly the correct state of mind to start it... Keep it up Tony!!!
@gregsimon9061
@gregsimon9061 2 жыл бұрын
Oh Tony this brought back so many good memories of starting my 68XLCH when I was 16 years old and about 98 pounds, and I could get it to start every time by doing exactly what you just described.
@TX_Nano.
@TX_Nano. 2 жыл бұрын
Brings back "fond?" memories of starting a 48 Panhead (add dealing with the ignition advance to that mix of instructions) or tickling a set of Amal carbs on a Norton and avoiding straightening your leg at the bottom of the kick stroke to avoid be thrown from the bike if it backfired. 😁. Ah, the good ole days! Makes me truly appreciate my electric start FXDL these days.
@flechette3782
@flechette3782 10 ай бұрын
I have a '64 XLCH. That was the BEST tutorial on how to start it EVER. Right down to the priming the carb bowl with three squirts, some slow kick cycles, teeth engagement, compression and a little squirt on the kick.
@diegosilang4823
@diegosilang4823 2 жыл бұрын
After watching how to start an old 1907 Renault to a 1969 Chevelle, there is a huge progress. You don't have to manually adjust the timing and mixture, you don't have to open the hood to prime the engines and manually switch on and off the fuel line.
@snizzytown5217
@snizzytown5217 2 жыл бұрын
That Harley sounds about like starting my old Mercury outboard. I always kept extra plugs on hand because if you mess up starting it more than once your going to be stranded. My wife never ever could start it if it wasn’t hot. When it was between hot and cold whole different way to start it just like the bike.
@paulschofield1531
@paulschofield1531 2 жыл бұрын
73 SPORTY xlch... S&S Carb with he primer/sweetener... No electric start. Missing a tooth in the kicker. You described the starting procedure absolutely perfectly. In my experience by the time you got it started, I was too hot and sweaty to ride it. OH and you need a cookie tin under it to catch the oil drips. Said f it. Bought a 74 cb and barely pressed the starter and went all day/all night to the beach and back no issues ever....
@michaelmurphy6869
@michaelmurphy6869 2 жыл бұрын
Like the old saying goes, "if you can start it...You can ride it."
@articvinter
@articvinter 10 ай бұрын
Had a 1972 Sportster 40 years ago, it had a kick start. The problem with kick starting the Sportster, is that it turns a little on one kick. You have to have the pistons right before top and then pedal hard. I improved by modifying the drive that engages at start. I cut away with an angle grinder some of the plate that is stuck to the drive, then bent out the plate and now had 2 extra teeth to turn the engine around. The bike was much easier to start after this modification.
@bobbyz1964
@bobbyz1964 2 жыл бұрын
Along those lines. Added another layer of Modern Day Anti Theft to my 81 Dodge pickup. Already had doors that only open if you lift up a little and 4sp manual, then a sweet deal on an AFB popped up, that added a manual choke. Shit don't start in Minnesota without a choke. In the summer I'll just pull it when parked. Lol
@scottwilliams5196
@scottwilliams5196 2 жыл бұрын
That's the way mine was till the gas tank straps rusted and broke. Yup, that's terminal for me.
@gampy5445
@gampy5445 2 жыл бұрын
Funny as hell with the hyperextended knee. I did that on my 76 sportster after fueling it up. I’m telling ya I hobbled for an hour before kicking it again and by the way I had to look cool like I meant to do that. It hurt big time🤣 that was in 1979.
@wheelieking71
@wheelieking71 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! LOL. Starting a 500cc two-stroke single. Like a CR or KX 500. Its so simple. They light right off. IF! The jetting is right, and you kick it right from the correct spot. Unbelievable how hard it is to teach people exactly where the "correct spot" is, LOL.
@michaelmurphy6869
@michaelmurphy6869 2 жыл бұрын
I have an older Yamaha WR426f, it has it own starting procedure. Especially cold and hot. Your very right, jetting and valve adjustment are critical for it just to start and run good. Once you learn the procedures, your off and having fun. The new bikes are awesome with electric start and all, but I still love the older bikes because to me they seem to have more character because the quirks they had/have. I use to say "if you can start it, you can ride it." That still kinda holds true to this day, but probably not much longer. Lol
@larrydraper9544
@larrydraper9544 2 жыл бұрын
I had a friend in high school that his older and larger brother had a Harley,he drove to school and we all thought that was so Cool. At the end of school he goes out to start the Harley and wouldn't even turn over. It was cool weather in late fall. Others noticed he couldn't get it started so another big student came over kick it once and fired up instantly. My friend was too small to start it. His larger brother started for him early that morning. Never rode it to school again.
@NemoBlank
@NemoBlank 2 жыл бұрын
My old Honda was like that. You had to open the pitcock, set the choke, kick it until it started, warm it up then hope you had warmed it up enough not to buck you off over the handlebars when it stalled.
@afoolandhismoneychannel
@afoolandhismoneychannel 2 жыл бұрын
I accept electric starting on vintage machinery, mostly because I don't want to have to kickstart the big block in my Plymouth Satellite when it's cold.
@renaissanceman4054
@renaissanceman4054 2 жыл бұрын
they used "donkey engines" in the old days in those kind of situations. a smaller engine attached to a big engine, it would run a pump and pump warm coolant through the block, after a bit of that you could engage a clutch and make the donkey spin over the big engine to get it started
@clembob8004
@clembob8004 2 жыл бұрын
It kind of reminds me of an old Dodge Powerwagon I had with a hand choke in super cold (below zero) weather. As long as you pull the choke and pump it a couple times it would fire right up, but pump it too many times or forget to pull the choke, and you got trouble. It was never a problem for me, but anyone else would have problems because they just didn't know the old girl like I did.
@whatyoumakeofit6635
@whatyoumakeofit6635 2 жыл бұрын
videos. Like the story of so many vehicles I've had. The real problem was people just didn't have the ability to intently listen too your directions and execute them precisely. So simple yet so difficult.
@tomstulc9143
@tomstulc9143 2 жыл бұрын
Clem sorta Like describing the start up proceedure for the woman of your life.
@nastybastardatlive
@nastybastardatlive 2 жыл бұрын
Most people today haven't had the experience of the car just sliding when you hit the brakes. I tell my son that every 16 year old girl knew to pump the brakes and to also steer into a fishtail back in the olden days of the 1980s.
@robjones8733
@robjones8733 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen some cars with abs spin and go across the median though. Awful thing to watch. I think some folks believe that computer stuff makes them invulnerable 😑
@johnteeple2828
@johnteeple2828 2 жыл бұрын
used to do that on my 73 cb750...thanks for bringing back the memories.
@lysandermakhno5778
@lysandermakhno5778 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the simplicity of maintenance on my old enduro, but definitely don’t miss the kicker. That button is a blessing after the third or fourth stall in a summer harescramble.
@jamesford2942
@jamesford2942 2 жыл бұрын
Correct side shifter, kick start, love it when the teeth slip and you hyperextend the knee. I have a 1971 kick start Sportster, my first Harley Davidson that I have owned for 30+ years. It was my only transportation at times and have spent half the night rebuilding the engine so I could go to work in the morning.
@ios6605
@ios6605 2 жыл бұрын
Tony I love the Harley stuff we need more of that on the show
@vanlittle5893
@vanlittle5893 2 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend wanted to know how to start my old truck. I told her: 1) Use the small key on the keyring and turn it upside down because it's not the original key. 2) Make sure you turn it one click until the red light comes on. 3) Reach to the right of the steering column under the dash and feel for the toggle switch. 4) Pull the toggle switch towards you and listen for the electric fuel pump sound. 5) Count to 10. 6) Push the accelerator halfway down and pull the choke knob out. 7) Reach to the left side of the steering column and feel for the starter button. 8) Press the starter button until the engine starts. 9) Once the engine starts, turn off the toggle switch by pushing it away from you (see no. 3). 10) Let the engine warm-up and check the oil pressure gauge. 11) Check the temperature gauge until it starts to move. 12) Push the choke knob in and slap the accelerator. 13) Check the tach. 700 or so means she is happy. 14) You're ready to go. She said, "Forget it!"
@christophersine84
@christophersine84 2 жыл бұрын
There is an inherent charm to the mechanicalness of older stuff
@jeffryblackmon4846
@jeffryblackmon4846 2 жыл бұрын
I owned a '74 Sportster. I think it required a different starting routine every time. But it accelerated like crazy. After 20 minutes my hands turned numb from the solid engine mounts.
@frankbergmanII
@frankbergmanII 2 жыл бұрын
My Evo big twin with a CV starts so easy it's a party trick
@chasedl3560
@chasedl3560 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah UTG for life!
@Driessens_Peter
@Driessens_Peter 2 жыл бұрын
older is not perse better, its more of a passion for old bikes, nostalgia reasons.
@whoawhoapop1984
@whoawhoapop1984 2 жыл бұрын
That is so true.! And not much easier on an old electric start iron head.
@macsgarage
@macsgarage 2 жыл бұрын
While riding dirt toys with some friends a couple of us decided to switch machines. I ended up on a cr500 and the cr500 owner on my slightly modded 350x. Neither of us could start the others machine. They had sat just long enough to be in that in between stage. We ended up starting our own then switching to ride.
@ianstoys13mgs
@ianstoys13mgs 2 жыл бұрын
Remember those damp or cold days when you went out 10 mins early when off to work, just incase the bastard car didn't start ! now you jump in turn the key without even thinking. progress !!
@brianlevan339
@brianlevan339 2 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to your videos ! Thanks, now I have to wait for the next one.
@tulatoiletandsepticllc81
@tulatoiletandsepticllc81 2 жыл бұрын
Old bikes are living things. Once you live with them a while you learn thier way. New bikes are gas and go. I love my old bikes, but don't always have the time for them. Still something pure and simple
@55hemidodge
@55hemidodge 2 жыл бұрын
Sort of makes me think of the starting procedure on my 29 Model A, you got to turn on the gas under the dash (which is also the fuel tank), pull the gas lever on the steering column about halfway down and make sure the spark Advance is all the way up, turn on the ignition switch, turn the choke knob one full turn clockwise, step on the starter pedal while pulling the choke knob and she fires right off, after she fires up pull the spark Advance lever about half way down and ease the gas lever up. Then she'll sit there and idle nicely until warmed up, very easy and simple procedure.
@natemofield281
@natemofield281 2 жыл бұрын
I was watching ole Jay Leno literally fire up one of his steam cars and I thought to my self, I'd blow my ass up messing around with that crazy thing. But once it's going it's an amazingly quiet machine.
@unclesquirrel6951
@unclesquirrel6951 2 жыл бұрын
75 degrees ...... Jesus , here in Alberta it's been minus 25 to minus 35 Celsius the last week :(
@caseyjones1999
@caseyjones1999 2 жыл бұрын
Starting procedure reminds me of my two-stroke dirt bikes
@Kingonionring690
@Kingonionring690 2 жыл бұрын
My dad was a old school angel from way way back he told me stories of old big cid Harley’s with kickstarts said he’d seen them literally rocket skinny people over the handlebars onto there backs trying to start them don’t know how true it is but he was always a straight shooter so it’s nice to think about the story’s he used to tell before he passed a few months
@bryansimon4072
@bryansimon4072 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched a lot of people fail with old bikes. It’s so funny to me!
@steveadams5190
@steveadams5190 2 жыл бұрын
I had several old Sportys. A 59, 60, 64, 66 and a 67. Every one was definitely interesting. 😎 Now that I'm 61 years old I don't have a single Sportster in the stable. 3 Shovelheads and 3 Evo's. I do miss a couple of those old Sportys from time to time.
@kevindonohue9519
@kevindonohue9519 2 жыл бұрын
There was a chopper bike shop that opened in the early 90s by me,,, good guy, all tattoo, and metal music blasting,, got a old shovel in for a repair,,, and he called me in to start it,,, i didn’t laugh,,told me he tried to start it for 3 days,,,
@benwine9695
@benwine9695 2 жыл бұрын
All my bikes are kick start. I love them 💗...
@DougsterWolverineGarage
@DougsterWolverineGarage 2 жыл бұрын
My daily driver is a 97 Honda Valkyrie my old daily driver was my Dads old 72 Honda CB 750k and surprisingly enough both are easy starters! The Cb 750k will tell you when she is warmed up and ready to ride. She still runs points too
@twothreefour234
@twothreefour234 2 жыл бұрын
My Triumph had it's own start routine and if you didn't follow it exactly go on back to bed, she ain't starting today. Without fresh plugs. Never worried about it being stolen because no one else could start it.
@WVXL64
@WVXL64 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but when the weather gets colder and I'm at a bike show, the old guys know why I'm limping and just smile.
@animoetprudentia2865
@animoetprudentia2865 2 жыл бұрын
My first 30 years of motorcycling were kick start only. The first bike I owned that didn't have one was built in 85', and I thought it was a bad idea to remove that option. Tough to bump start a 1000cc bike when the battery fails. Pretty much impossible. When it goes and you're alone in the boonies you're screwed.
@philmarriner5300
@philmarriner5300 2 жыл бұрын
Well Tony, it's that extra knowledge required that makes the 40 yo bike a rewarding hobby for high days and holidays and the other one more suited to a daily. Thinking you would have to be a hardcore fanatic to daily the older bike.
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 10 ай бұрын
After a few years riding a 93 FXDL.....I plan on putting a kicker on this Winter.....not a lot of hills where I live if I forget to run the battery tender.
@guywerry6614
@guywerry6614 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video - I'm about Tony's age and I have transitioned from early 70's carbureted cars to modern fuel injection. I also live in a cold part of Canada, eh. I must say that as as cool and simple as the old cars were - we had a 73 Nova with a straight 6 where I replaced the lifters in our driveway with a cheap socket set - I really LOVE my modern fuel-injected vehicles. No more checking the winter temperature to determine how many times to pump the gas before cranking. Just jump in and go.
@LionHeart0808
@LionHeart0808 2 жыл бұрын
I have a custom 1966 Harley Ironhead in a Hardtail Bobber Frame with Springer Front End. I also had a 1983 Kawasaki KZ550 at the same time. I sold the KZ but I will never sale the '66 Ironhead Bobber. Just hitting the button teaches you nothing but going through all the pre start rituals with the older bikes teaches you a lot about the machine.
@imchris5000
@imchris5000 2 жыл бұрын
man when I was a kid all my dritbikes were from the 70s early 80s and they were hell to cold start. I lived on a big hill and it was even a gamble to roll to start I had a few pushes of shame up that giant hill. the best trick I figured out was to keep a little rag tied to the bike and dip it into the gas tank and then put the gas soaked rag over the intake then they would fire up in 1 or 2 kicks
@erikwolf9562
@erikwolf9562 2 жыл бұрын
my first bike was a 62 xlch. can't tell you how many times I gave up trying and just push started it. lol
@MrDibbons
@MrDibbons 2 жыл бұрын
My 40 year-old neighbor asked to take my white 1978 Harley Sportster for a spin. Because the battery kept dying on me previously, I had a mechanic remove the electric starter and install a kick-start pedal. Hoping to God my neighbor could not do it, I told him that if he could start the bike, I would let him take it for a spin. He kicked and kicked and kicked. He was at the point of having a heart attack when he finally gave up. I walked over, put the kick-start pedal very near the very bottom of the stroke, pushed down sharply and the bike fired right up.
@z289t6
@z289t6 2 жыл бұрын
When is winky coming out?
@The_R-n-I_Guy
@The_R-n-I_Guy 2 жыл бұрын
I don't ride bikes. But I'm familiar with old cars having their rituals. I'd rather jump through hoops and drive an old car than be in a modern computermobile
@danfarris135
@danfarris135 2 жыл бұрын
I once stopped to get gas in my Suburban. As I pulled in I saw a guy kicking his old Harley. 30 + gallons later on a SLOW PUMP I went in to pay. Stood in line for at least another 5 minutes while someones grandmother cashed in her lottery winnings. I finally paid for my gas and walked out the door and the guy was still bouncing on the kick starter. I casually asked, would you like some help? Maybe your buddy and myself help you push start it. He declined my offer. I didn’t have the balls to ask him if he had tried turning the key on.
@pghgeo816
@pghgeo816 2 жыл бұрын
This was one of your best videos !
@frederickking1660
@frederickking1660 Ай бұрын
Whats old is my knees. I love the romance of kick starting one of those old bikes but i have to save whats left of my knees.
@PavelZajec
@PavelZajec 2 жыл бұрын
I had an '86 KTM 500 2-stroke with a left-handed start. I had to start it the same way as your Harley except I kicked it with my left foot. My friends could never get it.
@N2YTA
@N2YTA 2 жыл бұрын
I had two BSA Lightnings (A65L) one was an early sixties and the other was a 1970 (the last year of the classic design) There was a different starting procedure for every inch of Hg of barometric pressure. I kept extra spark plugs in the headlight nacelle. A friend had a Matchless, I think it was a G50. That bike had a compression release so you could run it through easier and a spark advance lever. By retarding the spark starting went from impossible to possible. Do you have to tickle the carburetor on the sportster?
@mattv8919
@mattv8919 2 жыл бұрын
my dad has a 64 bsa . wish it ran
@kcav5374
@kcav5374 2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking the motorcycle content I bought an older sportster myself about 5 moths ago (1992 883) and It needs some attention but it's coming along and I just love riding it. But here in the far frozen north (Metro Detroit area) it's now cold and we had snow today so if course mine has been put away for the year but I still want to tinker with it as much as possible. So far it's gotten a new chain, a couple of oil lines and oil changes, the front forks have been rebuilt and it has a new set of handle bar risers so now I'm anxious to paint it through the winter for next year as well as clean up a bunch of oxidized aluminum. I can't wait!
@Chuck_Carolina
@Chuck_Carolina 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the not quite warm - and not quite cold thing; tell them about being thrown over the bars....
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part was driving down the road holding the back plug wire on part way getting the shit shocked out of you to unfowl the back spark plug . Because your out of good ones. LOL
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I did that once before I knew much about motors plug wire fell off while I was cruising tried to push it back on with it still in gear rolling I didn’t expect it at all almost knocked me off the bike lmao.
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpecialAgentJamesAki You know anyone looking for a 69 455 delta 88 ? Its in pieces . The owner died . His wife is selling it . She wanted 900. But probably alot cheaper ! The doors and fenders are off. Everything is there.
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586 wow if I had the room I would be all over that. I’ll let some people know that it’s there if any are interested I’ll let you know. I wouldn’t hold my breath tho most of my buddies got too many projects same as I haha. Thanks for the heads up though I love those 88s.
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586
@maxwedgedickdasterdly5586 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpecialAgentJamesAki Thanks She is a good person. Im tryn to help her out If I can. Its got to be hard to fined stuff. I dont know we have always had mopar drag cars. I dont know anything about Olsmobile.
@richarda996
@richarda996 2 жыл бұрын
In the sixties I remember more than one person being launched up in the air, old Harleys can be fun, lol. Note: my Yamaha never started when temperatures were below 40*.
@briangarland9883
@briangarland9883 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 71 chopped sportster that was an experience to start. But if it didn't start by the third kick there was something definitely wrong...loved that bike.....
@tomboone201
@tomboone201 2 жыл бұрын
I still have a 71 like that .. Xl seat bagger seat, the big Italian gas tank, covered shocks, rare chrome head light cover bags, i run a 38mm mic 2 kicks it starts but anymore i just hit the the electric leg
@waiting4aliens
@waiting4aliens 2 жыл бұрын
Brakes are a huge difference. And they do matter. In the early 70's my DD was a 64 pan 64FL6810 with a 55 side car and hand shift, a former D.C. police bike. 3 teeny drum brakes. Lap robes, wool sweaters. The police bikes had a bicycle pedal on the starter arm. I traded it off for a VW fastback and switched to BMW. If you rode year around, because you couldn't afford a car, you are not nearly as nostalgic. Finding snow on your saddle at the time was not a cause for a happy dance.
@motorv8N
@motorv8N 2 жыл бұрын
Great observations. I remember getting my dream car in 1988. I was in grade 12 and scraped up a few grand for a 66 Mustang coupe. Bought off some wily old prick who saw me coming a mile away. Thing was bondo from the door handles on down under all that blinding resale red. Then I drove it and was horrified at what a bone stock sixties car actually felt like. Flat, hard seats with zero support, slushy 3 speed auto...steering feel like a spoon through soggy cornflakes...brakes, well...what brakes? All perched atop a wallowy, flaccid suspension prone to inducing sea-sickness. Sure neoprene this and disc upgrade that would make a difference but I do thank god for that little 289 up front. Tired tho it was, the soft burble that drifted up from the cheapo Thrush mufflers as I rolled along side roads and two lane highways was intoxicating. And as long as I didn’t try to turn or stop, or even go too fast, it was a glorious machine. But glorious from another era for sure and I came to the reluctant conclusion that the car was much more fun to look at, wash, and tinker with than actually drive every day. Still doesn’t stop me all these years later from lusting after old boats, cars, and airplanes - as uncomfortable as they may be to live with.
@johnmartin1114
@johnmartin1114 2 жыл бұрын
Tony is correct I own something similar it was a 1970 model with a timer not a Magneto however the starting procedures are exactly as he described not to mention the maintenance interval these bikes kept a lot of Harley shops open throughout the years don't forget about Sportster knee the solution to that is not in the book but by guys like Tony who figured it out I wish I never got rid of that bike in some ways but don't miss the aggravation of keeping up with all it's maintenance got some Brit bikes for that part of life the Sportster is just a Brit bike americanized
@nhra7110
@nhra7110 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@kennethgall
@kennethgall 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't even mention the sporty is right hand shift! I had a 68 sporty almost identical to yours but it had the electric starter too and it was so nice!
@davidleonard8369
@davidleonard8369 2 жыл бұрын
I still have boots with scuff marks on the right toe.
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