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Thank project fm your the true goat debate first

Hypothetically by new science view, Multiversal is possible and exist so Universal to highest realistic lvl

It is nice video. In my opinion, math is the archetype of all fiction. So every characters powers should be compared by using mathematics. But, I have two points which is about the opposition to your opinion. 1. Tier 12 is not well-defined. Our reality is 3-dimensional spacially, and 3+1 dimensional as space-time continuum. So 11-A~11-C are represented to 2~0 dimensional things. And in VS Battle Wiki, reality-fiction transcendence is assessed as just as one-dimensionally higher than the object. Thinking contrary, Just fiction in fiction can be just 2 dimensional thing. But because the space in fiction is showed easily, it can be assessed as more inferior than 0 dimension. What I want to say is this: It needs more clear definition to use the term, tier 12. It is very nice concepts to think about characters like SCP-2747 or 3143, but it needs more arguements and discussions. 2. There is some misconceptions about Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal. Speaking simply, Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal does not 'break' axioms. It can't exists in ZFC, but also defined large cardinal axioms. Berkely cardinal and V=Ultimate L are both suggested by Hugh Woodin, who is the docter at mathematics. There is nice paper about it which I want to recommend: ht3tp://logic.fudan.edu.cn/doc/Event/2018/logicweek/woodin2.pdf Because of censoring link by KZfaq, I added 3 at link. By using ht3tp as http, you can see it. I want it to be good for your understanding. Additionally, It is the ranking about things you said as beyond tiering/pinnacle of tiering system: 0. Tegmark's type 4 multiverse 1. 0=1 2. V=Ultimate L, Absolute infinity(you did not say about it, just my opinion) 3. Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal EMR looks like type 4 multiverse, but I think it is not mathematical but philosophical. It needs more academic informations to be used in VS battle logically. These are some points I wanted say to you. Againly, thanks for good video!

I think when VSBW says Inaccesible cardinal. They meant Inaccesible cardinals of dimensions. And when Csap says you have to transcend concepts to become a certain tier like outer. I think they meant the Conceptual Dimensional "Space".

Overrated fodder

Make up OC

Why you both saying something that I already know💀

😂

That is cap. They should've been Irrelevant layers above tiering system.

@@please_be_an_operator_soon Scaling Failure*

​@@trolllolllloollllolllllscaling failure + 1*

Yup

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What makes one better then the other?

@@Emil_LLscpfan opinions

@@Joyscp999 ok

Anti principle is literally made up character.

​@@Rg-nk3rcaren't all fictional characters

@@theredmagician5591 Correct. But Anti-principle is just statement. There's no scaling, feat or cosmology involved in that character. People just believe it's strong, and so it does.

​​@@Rg-nk3rct was proven by its creator that it was a joke, so *BELOW THE TIERING SYSTEM IT GOES!!!* 💀

@@florianneacosta987 literally threw away the chance to just up and have the strongest fictional character

Same

It's funny how I come to the same conclusion when I use the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9. It's the very same but without mathematical limitations.

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Murphy's law is below fiction yet can flatten even 3D fictional characthers. At base, he is 12-A, but can also be much higher, at least 9-C level as he can flatten any human being

@@NYUSmanChannel Depending on what SCP Murphy's Law Feats are... I don't know that SCP too well. If he's a Meta Narrative Character, then that makes him a 7th Dimension of Existence character... Ability wise. He may have the power but if he's still a normal human, then it's just his power that's 7th DE. Akin to Kumagawa in Madaka Box who's power is 8th DE at the level of Rebirth Dr. Manhatten + higher. But only his power is at that level + some things All Fiction cannot do. Despite, him being a normal human in every way, outside of All Fiction and Book Maker. Compared to Madaka, who is 9th DE, as her billions of Hax can scale up to Type 1 Omnipotence. (This isn't the same mathematical dimensions being spoken of in this video. That is the Infinite Dimensions which caps from 1st DE up to 6th DE. While Zero DE and 7th DE to 9th DE are beyond mathematical scaling.)

Yes hes weird

Which is why i say tier 12 is utter useless because it literally doesnt work

No

Many unknown ones are under planet level.

It's definitely the character that most people create when they're showering and never publish it

That's Tier 11

@@eriktrp really 🤔 thxsz

Dotversal

Thats intrafictional

yes he is

He is not 😂.

No that would only be tier 12 if they’re seen as fiction by normal human beings not higher layer beings

At that point it would be useful to scale and categorize them within their narrative layers and separate out the narrative layers.

That is the 4th wall, as any characters that can interact with non fiction breaks the 4th wall (not instantly make them 4th wall level). Cookie clicker's bakery breaks the 5th wall in the narrative which is a world "real"-er than us, so 5th wall level >>>.... 4th wall level beings like us. I imagine beyond infinite and cardinals wall beings will be the Supreme ones.

@@NYUSmanChannel The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is the proper way to put it for the Omniverse. But it's not really for power scaling. Omniverse meaning... Both All Fiction, Non Fiction, and Real Life. Zero Dimension... Being Origin, the true Home of Omnipotence. 1st Dimension... Low End Singularities. 2nd Dimensions... 1st Plane of Physicality and Space Time. 3nd Dimensions / Extra Dimensions / Infinite Dimensions on the low end... 2nd Plane of Physicality. 4th Dimension... The Prime Timeline. 5th Dimension... All alternate and parallel time lines. 6th Dimension... Seeds of Origin. 7th Dimension... Conceptual Existence. 8th Dimension... Soul Existence. 9th Dimension... Omnipotence. Formerly known as "Beyond the Boundary" / True Boundless. Nothing is beyond the 9th DE as all Core DEs weave into each other and return to the Zero Dimension. And just because Souls are naturally 8th DE. It doesn't mean every Soul is 8th DE in terms of power. While the "multiverse" can exist in 2nd DE Low End Multiversal up to 6th DE High Complex Multiversal. Mainly because of Physicality Planes being involved. Everything else are akin to branches on a tree until you reach 7th DE and excluding the Zero Dimension. Zero Dimension is unique as it is the original home of Omnipotence. Origin, as it is known. Since 9th DE rivals Zero DE, second to those directly from Origin.

he lost me at outerversal

Oh are you saying there should be layers/sets to the inaccessible cardinals like alephs? I suppose that would make sense, but that’s what other cardinals are for.

@@Rhetorical_Ife other cardinals are so massively large, scaling Mahlo to be one hierarchy above Inaccessible is a blasphemy. Mahlo is hyperinaccessible, hyperhyperinaccessible and so on, until there are around κ many hypers, and iirc its also a limit of such cardinals. Hyperinaccessible is being κ-Inaccessible, and Hyperhyperinaccessible is κ-Hyperinaccessible. Meanwhile, 1-Inaccessible already views Inaccessibles akin to how Inaccessibles see Aleph numbers.

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No you don't I solo you

​@@Lexington21 both are my victims 🥱

All that power just for me to bully you 3

Im so powerful that I won’t allow any of you to physically interact with each for a fight

Lmao

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Saitama has increasing power, but he can only grow so fast. So he is probably at least 2-B at his maximum shown power.

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@@airconditionaire Even with that Infinite years of training fannon thing, it only makes him Outerversal or lower since OPM has not demonstrated any Mathematical scaling besides Terra 2 which makes him low-1c and is mostly pure destruction feats.

Yes I did thought

Marvel and dc are layers to boundless SMT I have no knowledge about it but scalers are gonna say outer

It’s comical

That’s exactly why it is the way it is in the first place. Power scaling isn’t about defining strength. But just having your character capable of beating up everyone else’s characters. That’s why it’s so complicated so that not everybody could do it, and people who care way to much about this can say they have the strongest character.

If you wanna have a boundless character though just say an old man’s name and than add cardinal at the end.

@@R.W.P. The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is much simpler but more complex as it deals with Existence rather than mathematical measures. I could confidently place characters where they actually should be placed at, provided that I know of their Feats.

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 all dimensional scaling deals with existential measures. Even so how would that make it complex? You said it yourself if you know the feats you can easily place them in their respective categories?

comparing apples to oranges...

Bro downplaying Quarks 💀💀

Too bad quarks can't destroy intangible fictions

That Is Still A Highball His True Tier Is Tier: 💩

you didnt need to do anti principle like that

Before Debunk Anti-Principle: Tier -1

😭

​@@trolllolllloollllolllll that is still a wanking.

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@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 mrow

@@racism.gaming Tier 13 is basically "Null" level, technically non-existence and have no degree or record of existing in the first place

I think he already made a video on that.

💀he said its highrt

Comp Steve is High Uni at best +max wank

@@kwentongpotchero6750 correct, i wouldn't even say high uni. Just base uni

Yeah it is. He caps at large planet lvl with overwank

Universe+ lvl Because cosmology minecraft world from credit ending minecraft

Lmaoocnot even close

Not even fucking close

No Because Nasuverse Is Fodder + Featherine Victim

​@@trolllolllloollllolllll cap fr

@Rush the 「　 」 i know, i just think it could be interesting topic

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Nah, none of the anime/manga/ln/wn/vn/game show type 4 multi but shows type 3 and other theories that might scale higher than type 4 multi

I think I can answer a few of your questions. 2. They did talk about scaling failure which is at the near end of the video where he talks about beings who are above irrelevant layers into beyond the tiering system(I AM THAT I AM being an example of such a character) 7.Cantor’s Absolute Infinity scales to High Outer in VSBW 4.OCs that have NO VERSE they originally belong to like to/an OC made for a fandom like for example, an SCP OC would be put at below tier 12/below any and all tiering.

​@@oh3074 no he talks about being who are beyond beyond irrelevant layers above tiering system.

Irrelevant layers is already beyond tiering

From no.2 i can answer that in simple terms, The Power scaling broke with just his mere presence alone and needs Update just to scale IATIA cause he cant be scaled(For now)

@@iqbal_pratama43 who said it is not?

Not sure for Mathematical Scaling. But for the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9?... Transcending above physicality and mathematics is either Zero Dimension, 7th DE, 8th DE, or 9th DE. Depending on the context. As for Reality... I require more context. Reality Benders are within the range of 2nd DE up to 6th DE, traditionally. Meta Narrative Characters are 7th DE while all Souls are 8th DE by default. 9th DE is Omnipotence/True Boundless. Zero Dimension is unique as it is Origin. The same dimension in which the Akashic Records was designed from... The true home of Omnipotence, Omni Types, and Omni Factors.

"If you just say" 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

this question doesn't make much sense. lim(n->inf) x ⬆⬆n what does x approach? is x a constant? either way, doesn't matter much since it will pretty much always approach inf.

@@teammcpro7416 that's what I meant. Where would a limit function that diverges instead of converges scale to?

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@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 wow so funny

Your point is 4d has no tier and your saying it should belong to 2A(high multiversal) because it would be inconsistent, for it to jump from 3d for high multi into 5d for low complex leaving 4d no space for tiering?

@@cellomovious_former I meant universal+

Existence of cardinals needs to be proven first in order to reach the pinnacle of powerscaling. Either that way or with the others which are : - Proof of Modal Realism and Extended Modal Realism - Proven Type IV Multiverse and proven Set Theory. - All types of cardinals up to Axiom 0=1 and ZFC Set Theory. Higher cardinals like Reinhardt and Berkeley need to be proven in order to get even higher than the pinnacle of powerscaling. In other words, breaking the tiering system.

​@@sonraonofficial631modal realism and EMR without context is just 2-A

Like iatia

@@pwkarif1234_ correct

What scale the moving in 0d space?? Or transcending time lines and realities

He ain't outer he's irrelevant layers breaking the tiering system obv 💀

​@@justqscorpYou Have To Be Joking So I Won't Go All Out

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@@EaterOfDeceasedInfants389 yea but what scale so i can debunk it

I mean, it is more popular and has more consistent tierings and most tierings are usually just based on VSBattle

It's certainly possible to use multiple websites to reach a conclusion. Here's a few examples of popular characters. Goku across most websites stay consistent at 2-C tier. Anos from 2-C to 2-A mostly. Rimuru same as well. Sung Jin Woo from tier 5 to 1A. Now we have obviously have a problem as throughout multiple websites, he's not consistent. So all in all, you can use multiple websites for information, if they all saying the same thing it's more likely to not be false than if one said this but other said the opposite.

Contains axiom The cardinal can beyond the tiering itself More complexity than csap More mathematical

From What I Heard Type 4 Multiversal Is All Possible Model Realities Which Is The Whole Existence That Is Out There That We Actually Dont Know

​@@RealGoku213 dimensionaless > dimensional system = multiverse type 4 = all infinities

​@@pwkarif1234_ dimensionaless > theory set = dimensional system

​@@omniverse681 doesn't tegmarks multiverse contain aspacial atemporal properties?

Human level 2.0

Depends, if the real world is 5d then the simulation would be 4d, and when the 4d beings ascends it would naturally be 5d

Cuz if they ascend to the real world the scale would just repeat itself. If a boundless character in a stimulation ascended to the “real world”, they will just become the normal scale in that world. Basically if they become the same power as a human in the “real world”, they will just be human level 2.0

@@ParaBeamwr No, if a boundless character ascends to the "real world" they would just travel upstream to a higher layer of boundless, from 1 into 2nd layer of boundless

@@cellomovious_former but the real world has its own scale. Which is basically the same as the normal scale

Nope, the energy which is generated for creating fictional works is completely possible only because of a 3d being, it by itself has no existence, no energy and no nothing, compared to lower dimensional beings who still have an existence even if they don't have anything else, fiction is a lifeless construct, in a fight between a lifeless being and a living being, by default the living being would be given the victory

@@projectfm684 Understandable. Thanks for dedicating some of your time to answer.

Bro💀 we are inaccessible to fiction

@@lighto6477 but we can turn it to 2d structures like comics

@@virust5941 bro he is talking about fictional character not us

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@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 either im not understanding what your point is and how it’s relevant to My comment or you’re just a troll looking for me to get worked up, but honestly I don’t have any personal stake in any of the verses you mentioned so if it’s your goal to troll its not really gonna do much for you lol

@@someoneonyoutube8622 in that case, Tier 13 would've been "Null" level, synonym to non-existance or have no degree or record of existing in the first place

@@NYUSmanChannel or at the very least recording tier 13 can be paradoxical. And of course there can be different levels of tier 13. A character who is a five sided square circle or any other such logical impossibility that we can conceptualize as unable to exist might be tier 13a wheras something we can’t even conceptualize due to its impossibility might be 13b or 13c

@@someoneonyoutube8622 so i guess what you mean is something like for example negative dimensional "- amount of D" will fall in tier 13-A? Also if that's the case, i guess all the "non-existence" or Null stuff I've mentioned so far will also fall in 13-A, cuz at least we had the concept of it to not being exist... i guess??

@Pagan minster what I meant by that is that if a fictional character thought of a character but never made it to have motion would that be a tier 12

Ahh ok

Same bro. I wish it would cap at boundless but no, it all becomes “irrelevant”…

@@Rhetorical_Ife this is 2 weeks after me learning powerscaling and how it works. Once you know all of it it’s fairly simple.

@@vibe6372 yeah ofc I know that

@@vibe6372 wow you’re already very knowledgeable about fictional verses in 2 weeks when it took me like a month or two.

@@Rhetorical_Ife I’m just a quick learner

Philosophy is created by an actual human being, and we study it, and in their logic, they think Mythology negs fiction bc we worship them, even though it's fiction and imagination, *of religious people.* 💀

In case of mythology, it all depends on whether you’re religious or not kinda thing.

In terms of power scaling, no. That's the calculable abilities within the narrative, and the scale in modern fiction is way crazier than mythology. In terms of impact within the narrative, they're largely comparable. In terms of IRL impact, most mythology/religion is much greater than most fiction, and the most impactful philosophy is as well. Somebody could make a "Tier -infinity" character in their own story and it would be meaningless compared to Hercules. Then again, Tolkein/Dragonball/Berserk are probably more impactful than minor mythological or maybe even fringe biblical figures/stories. Likewise fiction can carry and impart philosophy and impact people's lives. Establish a baseline for exactly what it is you're talking about. If it comes to impact _for that person_, you can't argue what stands above what. You can have discussions, though, about how things measure up, as long as you're agreeing to talk about the same thing.

This should help with higher dimensional scaling past 2-A: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpNzf6WGm8_bhJ8.htmlsi=dOGlGiKWUxb-IDNo

layers don't work for tier 0

a character that is infinite(or boundless)in being,mind,and power?!.

It makes you Pinnacle Of Tiering system.

@@hikolfakeholoki6492It’s like comparing a regular person to a superhero,and then to a god,and then to something even beyond that?!.

@@knrz2562 A character that is infinite like that scales to verse cosmology(If stated that they are the strongest)

I said that in the video

@@projectfm684 I think I kinda missed that part so if you don’t mind can you say it ? Or put a time stamp ? I am deeply sorry if it bothers you tho

@@projectfm684 W Video However I Have A Few Questions: 1. Where Is Infinite Layers Into Boundless? 2. What About Scaling Failure? (From Your I Am That I Am Video) 3. Does Csap Extraversal Scale Higher Than Vsbw Boundless? 4. What Tiers Do Ocs Get? 5. Does Inacessable, Immesurable Or Irrelevant Layers Into Boundless Make Sense? 6. After Beyond Tiering System Does It Go Directly To Beyond Irrelevant Layers Above Tiering? 7. What Tier Is Cantor's Absolute Infinite? 8. Is Mathiverse Beyond Tiering System?

​@@shironeko-vl8jp from 28:00 an entire topic is related to mathemetics superiority in a powerscaling related debate, in simple terms what i mean from this topic is that in a fictional debate, especially in powerscaling related debate, mathemetical scaling is superior to others as powerscaling itself is a mathemetical study of ascertaining power levels of characters and comparing based off the data collected, so in this type of a comparision mathemetics is given more importance than theology, philosophy and other studies as the said study focuses on mathemetics more than the others

​@@projectfm684 Had same thoughts, thanks for clearing up these things

Well obviously if they’re real then they basically views our world as fiction effectively and can change it however they want. Which puts them above even real world concepts and above fiction and us.

Well technically he's not past universal

Feats and cosmology? Book YHWH is universal on a highball

@@eriktrp universal if we accept all the lore nonsense.

@@eriktrp It basically depends if you see it as fictional or not.

according to someone else 1. Tegmark's type 4 multiverse 2. 0=1 3. V=Ultimate L, Absolute infinity 4. Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal

@@AUSWQPCV type 4 multiverse is only outerversal

@@Ag-zk6jw Fax

​@@AUSWQPCV Technically speaking according to the video it'd be : V=Ultimate L Conjecture