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Proper Way To Set WALLBOARD For Shower

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StarrTile

StarrTile

Күн бұрын

Do NOT set your wallboard after the liner to push liner folds close to wall...doing this forces you to put pan material against wallboard, embedding it into pan. If pan gets wet, your board wicks up water.
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@StarrTile
@StarrTile 6 жыл бұрын
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@jeffbrower68
@jeffbrower68 6 жыл бұрын
StarrTile that's so wrong, and multiple views from a person only count as one, though they are being shown multiple ads, I wonder how many musicians are being super underpaid compared to what they made from selling an album or song download, maybe Congress could impose a minimum view value to keep the artists or contributors wage from becoming worthless , after all they're making money selling ads attached to your creative work
@scott9095
@scott9095 6 жыл бұрын
so youre asking the viewers to pay for your misinformation? ive been building showers for 32 years and i promise you dont know as much as you think.
@wyseguy77
@wyseguy77 5 жыл бұрын
@@scott9095 amen!
@user-vp1sc7tt4m
@user-vp1sc7tt4m 3 жыл бұрын
@@scott9095 Would you mind expanding on what you see that is misinformation? I could not find any comments from you other than this one.
@vic1sch
@vic1sch 3 жыл бұрын
@Dirk Dixon the people that are mouthing off as you put it are trying to keep you from making a dumb mistake. They have taken time to respond in hopes that people like yourself will understand that this is not a good idea or method.
@middleofmars
@middleofmars 2 жыл бұрын
You're literally the only one that explain this step in detail. Thanks for the info!
@michaelpearson9136
@michaelpearson9136 3 жыл бұрын
This video is three years old and still the best I have found for how to and an explanation for how things are done. I purchased my first home and have been working my way through projects and despised my master bath fiberglass shower. I thought I bit off more than I could chew but you gave me the confidence and knowledge to save myself thousands here in Alaska. I was really nervous (especially with cost of material here) to "waste" or ruin my materials by making simple mistakes that I learned to avoid from your videos. I poured my pan two days ago and hopefully wrapping up this shower by the end of the week. I just wanted to say thanks for the videos. They really are helpful!
@brandonbass5267
@brandonbass5267 26 күн бұрын
This is the video I have been looking for!!! I watched wallboard videos and membrane videos as well as many tile shower videos on other phases of the process! I couldn’t find this viewing angle at this stage! Not even by accident! Thank you sir! I have done my homework! I’ve got plenty of air and opportunity!I’m no stranger to the construction industry but this is my first tile shower. Now I can move forward without concern that I’m still going to do something stupid and screw this entire project up. You have a fan for life! Thank you for your time and effort on these videos. Especially this one!!!!
@myguitarsuxass
@myguitarsuxass 6 жыл бұрын
Been at it for 33 years as a contractor and always appreciate your videos. I've been redguarding the pan setting rock and redguarding that with no gap. Never had any problems but I'll start gapping. I like the concept
@enquire422
@enquire422 5 жыл бұрын
33 Hoax code!
@poolatka
@poolatka 3 жыл бұрын
StarrTile! I've been watching a bunch from your channel prepping to rework remodel my bathroom myself and you are the most insightful, you answer the most of my questions and curiousities, and you're the best at helping me over come my ineptitude by your displays of bad work you have to fix and your commentary on them! thank you so much for your efforts and contributions!
@michaelboyle9512
@michaelboyle9512 Жыл бұрын
That's great news! I set my wall board on 2x4's before I started learning how to make a concrete pan in a 6'x4' shower. Now I've got about a 1" gap from wall board to pan. I thought I screwed up worse than I did. Beginners luck maybe.
@tiarasutton186
@tiarasutton186 4 жыл бұрын
Okay so I'd like to start by saying I really enjoy your videos. Of all the folks I've seen post videos for tile advice, yours and and very few others are as helpful and well rounded. My name is Tanner Sutton and we own and operate a plumbing and flooring company here in western Oklahoma. So as far as preslope helping if any or at all, in my experience, the capillary action does take place in a shower floor mud (4 to 1, or deck mud, specifically shower floor mud though) however, if the red gurard membrane is installed from wall board and continued onto the floor mud until stopping around 6 inches around your drain, the only place water is able to go past tile is into the floor mud by the drain, at which time, when weep protection is also correctly installed, I've never seen water on any of my showers, wick all the way back up to the wall and saturating pan completely, before it enters the weep holes. In my experience, the water will always follow the path of least resistance, and the plumbing code the Oklahoma recognizes actually calls for a certain percentage of preslope to shower pan, and it's usually a steeper grade than finished shower floor itself. I dont have any videos, but the next tme I pour a pan and do my floor test, I will also test my weep protection and send you a video if weep holes draining long before complete shower pan saturation. Thanks again. Work hard my friend.
@chrisn.4136
@chrisn.4136 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!!! Everyone talks about NOT PUTTING THE WALLBOARD IN THE PAN but no one shows how to go from there.
@joeguetzloff4465
@joeguetzloff4465 3 жыл бұрын
Keep preaching Bob! There is absolutely NO reason whatsoever for your wall board to touch the deck or the floor tile!!! I wish the rest would get this one VERY important detail.
@barryspindler8342
@barryspindler8342 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the many excellent videos you've produced. They are extremely well done. I like how you think about issues and don't just blindly accept 'current" wisdom. You've taught me a lot.
@lost4199
@lost4199 2 жыл бұрын
I like this guy. No bs here
@woodworkingfuel2246
@woodworkingfuel2246 7 жыл бұрын
Bob.... I really enjoy these videos. Probably watched them several times over to make sure my shower remodel was done properly. We had mold constantly on our tiles. When I demolished it, everything was wrong. Cheap building contractor as the home is only 10 years old. Even had to replace the subfloor sheathing as well as wall insulation due to rot and mold. Several tile contractors wanted to cut corners in their bids and didn't go with them. Went with one and still had to tell them certain things I wanted such as Regard, the height of the wallboard as in this video, and a few more. Overall, the job came out great. My wife is extremely happy not to have any more mold on the tile!!! Thank you and I'll be sure to keep an eye out for future videos. Cheers, Joe
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir ;-)
@blythegimble2576
@blythegimble2576 Жыл бұрын
It sure is refreshing to see proper way over failed way scenarios!
@marathonergrl
@marathonergrl 3 жыл бұрын
Love love LOVE this video!! My dad told me that the wall board should be in the pan so the water has a continuous path to the drain, but it went against everything I felt deep in my heart. I am a beginner DIY-er, so I live by these videos!!! I was also wondering (as was my dad) how to handle that gap, and this video made me feel much more confident in handling the next steps in my DIY shower remodel! Thank you!!
@BlueOriginAire
@BlueOriginAire 3 жыл бұрын
Stop asking your Dad about matters you yourself have figured out. Seems like he could do well to ask you.🥳🤪
@marathonergrl
@marathonergrl 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this was props or a dis, but I was able to complete my tile shower in one month, while 6 months pregnant. So far, still love it!! My dad says it looks even better than the one he did 🙌🏼
@YouDriveUSuccess
@YouDriveUSuccess 2 жыл бұрын
In another video you showed the issue of the wallboard wicking the water up, but that was a PVC liner and the wallboard was on top of the membrane. When the cement board is on top of the waterproof membrane, it will obviously be exposed to water. In this case, the Redguard membrane encapsulates the wallboard as well. The only way the cement board could get wet is if the waterproof membrane fails. If that fails, this becomes a mute point, the shower will have a leak regardless of the wall board wicking.
@handydandyhomes
@handydandyhomes Жыл бұрын
not at all, if the red guard crack in this example shown the water will run down the liner to the weep holes like it should. if the red guard crack with your board in the mud pan, water will make its way to the weep holes but also wick up the board because the crack has now exposed it board .
@masina9447
@masina9447 6 ай бұрын
The mortar bed is porous to water but won't get damaged by it. Okay if the membrane leaks a bit. But if that water continues wicking up the wall (e.g.clogged weep holes), it could be a problem. StarrTile has another video showing exactly that, where a shower with a good pan had damaged walls.
@mbsthecomeup5396
@mbsthecomeup5396 5 жыл бұрын
IDK how you know this stuff but you're like a tile guru. For someone like me, who's new in the home improvement industry, I appreciate the knowledge! 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
@dmech5135
@dmech5135 Жыл бұрын
The actual problem is the shower pan mortar bed is not draining the water away from the walls effectively. Two things can cause this, no or incorrect pre-slope or blocked weep holes. If your liner is sitting on a flat floor, it's the perfect recipe for water to pool and build up in the mortar bed. The water level in the motor bed rises and up the wall it goes. Raising the board off the mortar bed is really not the solution and here is why. Let's say the wall is 1/4" off the bed, this space will either get filled with grout which is water permeable. It will bridge the floor and wall and up the water goes up the wall board. Filling this space with silicone or siliconized grout won't work either. All the tile grout lines on the floor are saturated with water and they channel water toward this space. These grout lines will funnel water right under the silicone bead and up the wall the water goes. A correct pre slope, top pre slope and clear weep holes will pull water away from the outer perimeter toward the drain and down the pipe. If you build it correctly it will work correctly.
@bunberrier
@bunberrier 6 жыл бұрын
By the magix of your generosity and KZfaq I didnt have to build a dozen showers to figure that out. Thank you!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 6 жыл бұрын
YW
@mrpush2532
@mrpush2532 2 жыл бұрын
Question, so that small gap at bottom behind last wall tile. (Looks like about half an inch) Will water and moisture not eventually get back in that space and just grow mold? Sure you could caulk the wall tile to floor tile interface, but all caulk fails eventually. So you create constant mold space the entire perimeter of the shower. Have you pulled apart old showers made this way and seen mold growing in that gap? I'm assuming you red quard the very bottom of the wall board, but still just seems to me that gap is gonna grow and hide mold.
@Titantitan001
@Titantitan001 2 жыл бұрын
Thats immediately where my head went could you basically want a tight 90 at the bottom for water proofing. This guy does stuff different than I do though.
@TeslaBoy123
@TeslaBoy123 2 жыл бұрын
Fill gap with water proof concrete never water touch drywall keeping wall dry forever
@arifm.1315
@arifm.1315 2 жыл бұрын
This is the comment I was looking for, feels like a sandwich between pan and redgard. Why not let it sit on exposed pan, then seal with tape. All water coming down wall board will have somewhere to go.
@napolitanotile2919
@napolitanotile2919 5 жыл бұрын
Great Video,Red Guard is Junk,It takes to long to dry,Slowing down shower pan testing and takes along time to dry after the test for setting tile,I use Hydroban,Its bullet proof and stops all hydrostatic pressure that bleeds into the walls or pinholes,It dries in an hour ! Your videos are great and appreciated :) THANKS
@mrpush2532
@mrpush2532 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, so I understand why not to allow the wall board to touch the pan. However I see a problem with the "gap". All i see happening there is water seeping behind that wall tile and accumulating and then any number of nasty mold and mildew is going to grow behind there. Impossible to clean it. That does not seem like a good solution to me. Who wants hidden mold sources all along their shower floor corners? Caulking would work for a time, then fail and moisture will get back there. I don't get it. ???
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
Well first of all the wall tile overlaps the floor tile so there's positive water flow going the opposite from the wall... secondly where the wall meets the floor tile should have it be of caulking... and lastly if any water whatsoever gets into that void it will dissipate same as any water anywhere you leave it... Plus mold needs three things to flourish, air, moisture, and food
@jimeagle1952
@jimeagle1952 Жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile so if you do run say durock all they way to the top of the tile or Oakley liner where's the the mold going to get the food?
@dominicm2175
@dominicm2175 7 жыл бұрын
You mention in your video that you don't know why installers embed the backer board into the sloped mortar bed yet the Oatey Shower pan liner application instructions are very clear about it. I certainly defer to your wisdom and experience as an expert , however ,I ALWAYS refer to manufacturers recommendations to insure all work will hold up under scrutiny to guarantee a warranty installation
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
Lawyers will ALWAYS find that mice type...it's what they do...so warranties are often voided regardless. Oatey is the supplies I get, from liner to drains, but their video is flawed. Setting any wallboard 1st & then pan material will guarantee wicking up the board and mold/mildew, taken out DOZENS of showers and posted those videos showing the damage...it's just plain illogical.
@dougedge766
@dougedge766 4 жыл бұрын
I have watched a lot of your videos and really helped me doing my shower from drain to shower pan etc
@markadams9401
@markadams9401 3 жыл бұрын
Currently ripping out our shower for this reason exactly. THANK YOU sir! Our tile and green board was clearly put on the slab before the shower floor was done. Not gonna use green board but thank you for showing the proper way to do it!
@chrisreynolds2410
@chrisreynolds2410 2 жыл бұрын
Tile is not supposed to go on greenboard incase you were gonna get it to use
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
@Chris Reynolds It would not matter what the backer board is if you waterproof the surface, it could be half in cardboard and no water would get through if you waterproof. Schluter allows for Kerdi to be on sheetrock because it is waterproof...c'mon buddy, THINK
@lbm4325
@lbm4325 4 ай бұрын
Okay but why not just use durock for the added insurance
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 4 ай бұрын
@Ibm4325 ...Insurance of what ???? Walls don't fail so not sure what good durock would do better or insure you against
@stevenrushing334
@stevenrushing334 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way you don’t answer anyones questions.
@prestonblake1313
@prestonblake1313 Жыл бұрын
If you are using the oatey pan liner (fully water proof) under the mortar bed then why are you also red gaurding the mortar bed surface? I thought this was frowned upon and can trap moisture between the two water proof layers
@masina9447
@masina9447 6 ай бұрын
If you look at his other videos, he doesn't redguard the whole mortar surface. He leaves a large area around the drain free, relying on the liner underneath the mortar. But there, commenters say it's dumb not to redguard everywhere. Anyway, I don't think trapped moisture in mortar has ever been an issue. It'll last decades submerged in water (e.g. under a tiled pool).
@bleckybob
@bleckybob 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think it would be better to put the mesh along the gap at the bottom and then Redgard it? I feel like you wouldn’t be able to get the water proofing in that gap good enough to completely cover every inch. Wouldn’t there be an exploded end of the backer board facing the floor?
@davidcollins7345
@davidcollins7345 3 жыл бұрын
Easy for the layman to play armchair quarterback, BUT now there’s a void where moisture and mold can collect. What if you pre Redgard the back three inches and bottom edge of the wallboard before installation, still keep the gap, back fill it with silicone to fill the void, and then fully butter the last tile to fill in all gaps?
@armandoveloz5644
@armandoveloz5644 3 жыл бұрын
Thats what I was thinking. Wouldn't the water just sit back there?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 3 жыл бұрын
So water can get in but not out ?? And what happens to all the water on your shower floor after three or four hours...evaporates...no different. Perhaps a bead of silicone at bottom if paranoid, which I'm not, but shoving a tube of it in the gap I'd never do.
@armandoveloz5644
@armandoveloz5644 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile this is just a question I hope you don't take offense. But couldn't a guy after he's done all he redguard and stuff. Tile the pan and when going to set his cement board coat the bottom on both side say even a foot up and be able to set that board down lower to not have that much gap at bottom.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 3 жыл бұрын
@@armandoveloz5644 absolutely, you can do it anyway that makes sense to you when it comes to water penetration, but having tore out many many showers over 22 years I just do it better than the way I found it and that's just an example of my way
@armandoveloz5644
@armandoveloz5644 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile Thanks for your time
@giterdun1864
@giterdun1864 4 жыл бұрын
Installers place the rock board 1st and mud up to it because it locks up the rock board solid to the framing(no flop). This is following the rule that you aren't suppossed to put fastners through the lapped up pan liner (3 inches from top of curb down to floor ( no nail zone)). your new little system may work, but good setters just don't rest the rock board on the liner. and they flash roofing felt behind the durock over the studs and over the pan liner( wicking fixed). Old school Mud float walls tie in with mud pans too. John Bridge.
@michaelmcwilliams1519
@michaelmcwilliams1519 2 жыл бұрын
John Bridge thank you for the information.
@handydandyhomes
@handydandyhomes Жыл бұрын
how dose felt paper behind the durock stop durock its self from wicking water ? the durock wicks water
@Nantucketnv
@Nantucketnv 3 жыл бұрын
THIS was what I was looking for! Direct and to the point!!! THANK YOU!
@aaronshensky9385
@aaronshensky9385 4 жыл бұрын
So leave a 1/8 or 1/4" gap between the cement board and shower pan. And also leave a 1/8 or 1/4" gap between the tile and shower pan? Is this correct? ( new to home improvements and slow learner) thank you for the video.
@TheJmk416223
@TheJmk416223 7 жыл бұрын
my exact question... now I can do the next step on my weekend work project!
@allegory7638
@allegory7638 Жыл бұрын
3:54 (for example) Do you then caulk that small gap between the wall tiles and the floor tile?
@TrashyLobster
@TrashyLobster 6 ай бұрын
He said it’s really up to you, but not needed.
@geev7467
@geev7467 7 жыл бұрын
Hello Bob,I just came upon your channel while browsing. I started with watch your channel when April came aboard. Let me commend you, on the patient you had to teach a female who wanted to learn. You really do GREAT work. Your now my #1 channel!!!!!!!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@dianefrostati6501
@dianefrostati6501 4 жыл бұрын
You should design a shirt that says "get your wallboard off your pan"....I think it would be funny!!
@godbluffvdgg
@godbluffvdgg 5 жыл бұрын
:)...You do a great job!...I Use Mapei grout which always has a matching caulk...I use the sanded caulk for the inside corners especially at the floor and walls in the shower...It helps deal with movement and gives a clean look...I started using the Pink waterproofer because of your usage...here in the philly area; too few guys want to do it right; they just want to get paid...I see you, as a business owner myself, want to stand by your work...If only all the owners could get together and be a single entity...:)...
@TeslaBoy123
@TeslaBoy123 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you a lot sir i know what's u talking about bcz u are a real trademans on field doing hard work 👍👍👍👍
@johnbeckwith1361
@johnbeckwith1361 5 жыл бұрын
What happens when the shower drains slowly and water fills up a couple inches during the shower? You do know that the void at the bottom fills with water right? Or when sewage backs-up and stays there a day or so while the owner gets the drain cleared? Are you SURE you got enough Redgard at the bottom of the wallboard? If you miss just one tiny speck, water will find its way to the outside. It also won't get through a 24 hour water test....or if it does, their new shower just got soaked with water, the doomsday clock began before the shower was finished.
@sirreds123
@sirreds123 5 жыл бұрын
That is why u do multiple coats of redgaurd
@tinman1955
@tinman1955 4 жыл бұрын
@bill hill Why is Redgard garbage? I'm no expert but I painted a cardboard box with the stuff and filled it with 2 gallons of water. Hasn't leaked a drop in 2 weeks.
@alanlicht7633
@alanlicht7633 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, I get it. You should never embed wallboard in the pan because there is a strong likelihood that it will wick water. If there is a sufficient gap, and you paint the gap and bottom of the board with red guard and leave that gap unfilled, then you will have eliminated wicking, which I am assuming is the cause for mold. What is confusing is that many of us have come to believe that an 1/8th inch gap where wall board meets floor prefilled with red guard and then reinforced with mesh tape is sufficient, and custom building products lists the ANSI standards it meets. Now, I'm not saying your method isnt better. I'm asking is there strong reason to lose faith in the prefill with red guard and tape method? Thanks!!
@shannonwright4494
@shannonwright4494 3 жыл бұрын
Starr Tile, forgive me if you've already addressed this question. I've followed you're advice on the gap between mortar bed and hardieboard. I've Redguarded everything like you did. When I go to tile my floor, do I want my thinset to go all the way back in that gap to the wall (pan membrane (that is refguarded) or should I stop the thinset just before hitting the membrane wall? Hope that makes sense. Thanks! You have really helped me over this bathroom project.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 3 жыл бұрын
Thinset for tile on floor..so yeah if you need thinset into gap to secure tile then yes... but you're not filling the Gap
@tonydelanzo5128
@tonydelanzo5128 2 жыл бұрын
Brother, I'm not bragging I'm 64 years old I was taught by the tile union in Los Angeles, Point being the reason you're getting water wicking up from your shower is that shower pan is absolutely 💯 saturated from not having pre slope under the pan material! And the weep holes are clogged with mortar! You should always per slope, and lay a 3/4" gravel around the base of the drain so the mortar doesn't plug up the weep holes..
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
Gravel and mortar create concrete, why on Earth would you want to create concrete around weep holes ! And you are incorrect in your assumption that the priest woke would prevent that, capillary action and wicking will occur, water doesn't care about gravity when it has a porous surface... so yes water gets into your bed and Wicks over to your wall board and saturates it, you show me proof that a pre slope works as intended and I will send you $100 👍👌✌💪 But it is all a moot issue now because every Tiler will waterproof their pan surface so the pre slope becomes irrelevant
@tonydelanzo5128
@tonydelanzo5128 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile well I guess when you have been taught using Wall board instead of scratch and float method. Your one step above a diy er, there so much more to doing custom tile! This conversation over! Your clown
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonydelanzo5128 you must be a republican, ending it with name-calling is pretty typical & immature... I would expect better behavior from a fellow Californian. Yeah scratch & float is going out with the phone booth, if you don't keep up with the times you get left behind. And at the end of the day a floated wall doesn't make the shower any better, just makes tiling easier. It's pretty arrogant and pompous of you to think that I don't have a deeper knowledge after 23 years in the business, but woek smarter nit harder is the mantra. Despite your rudeness the hundred dollar offer is still on the table, show me proof that a pre slope works as intended, I'll wait ⏰
@tonydelanzo5128
@tonydelanzo5128 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile OK, first think about the Specific topic, you have shower stall pan it's flat, right? So when you lay your pan material down on flat surface where does the water go? Well it lays at the bottom, and hydrostatic pressure wicks up through the grout! Common sense tells me that's a problem. And about me and the industry, Im Retired, and built a company that designs and installs natural stone and tile in multi million dollar custom home in California with 80 plus installers licensed in Hawaii as well an sold the company! I needed to know all aspects of this industry backwards and forwards. And in closing I was a expert witness for the cti. Thanks have nice day.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonydelanzo5128 as I said before times are a-changing... no one I know does the water in water out system any longer, everything is waterproof, the shower is functional before you ever slap tile on it so therefore it is a moot issue. The fact that you have million-dollar homes in California is not surprising, but does not change any of my retort whatsoever. I have already done a mock-up experiment of a shower pan with no slope and ninety-nine percent of the water managed to evacuate... that video is on my channel you can go look for it... you know why that happened? Because your bottom plans is less than a quarter of an inch off of your floor and that's all it needs for the troughs on that flange to kick in. AND wicking will ensure the mortar is 100% saturated BEFORE water makes it to the holes, will a lot egress ? Yup... but your pan remains saturated regardless... Pre- slope explained...type in search box here you'll see my video I did years ago because of the bafoonary the NTCNA brainwashes into their fans. And once again my offer still stands, you haven't answered it yet, show me proof that a pre slope works as intended... you cannot because the proof doesn't exist
@unapologetic7900
@unapologetic7900 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, I see all that, and don't disagree, however my concern is with the gaping cavity at the base left behind, and closed off with grout. Won't water seep through and collect in that gap creating a potential cesspool? Couldn't one just fill that cavity with waterproof caulk sealant to eliminate to gap all together?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 3 жыл бұрын
Moisture or water possibly could get in through the grout and or caulking, a little doubtful but it's possible... in the meantime there are is still air in that Gap and that water would evaporate in the same way the entirety of your shower evaporates water. Could you run a glob of silicone into that Gap, yeah I suppose you could but I honestly don't think it would matter
@Axertion
@Axertion 3 жыл бұрын
The messaging is a bit confusing on this. Your video description says this: "Do NOT set your wallboard after the liner to push liner folds close to wall" BUT, in the video, the wallboard appears to be doing exactly that, except you have a gap between the liner floor and the wallboard. Which is it? Do you: 1. Put the pan liner first 2. Add the sloped mud bed 3. Add wallboard with a gap so it's not touching the ground 4. Red Guard everything, doubling up on corners and cracks or Does the pan liner somehow sit on top of the wallboard which is what the description implies we should do? If so, how do you ensure a smooth surface to tile on?
@medicmike4906
@medicmike4906 3 жыл бұрын
This just answered a piece of my puzzle thank you!
@kentoakley9409
@kentoakley9409 4 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent HOW TO video!!! I would like to see you do more of these in your current videos even if you have done videos of them before or at least put links to old videos if don't want to do another same HOW TO video. Thank YOU
@UnenthusiasticPerson
@UnenthusiasticPerson 6 жыл бұрын
How do you grout that little bottom gap? Do you make to grout a little more watery so it can get into that 3/4” gap in back of the tile? I’m concerned if I just grout to cover the lines that it will fall out since there is nothing in back of it.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 6 жыл бұрын
The mortar is up against the liner, so too will the floor tile...perhaps with a minor space there, same as your grout lines, no difference..it's all grouted. The wall tile sits almost to floor and that line is grouted as is the wall, you could then caulk in that area, but no water will want to get in there anyway.. Not sure I answered the question.
@zacattack45
@zacattack45 5 жыл бұрын
StarrTile so that final gap at bottom of wall tile will not be grouted or caulked right? That is the part that is not so clear.
@ssarsour9619
@ssarsour9619 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve got the best videos on KZfaq. love watching your stuff. If you’re using red guard how would the pan get wet if it’s doing it’s job?What is the point of not inserting your board into your mud pan if you’re just going to use red guard anyways? Couldn’t you just use Red Gaurd on the pan and walls sealing everything off and making it all waterproof so that the only place for the water to go is down the drain hole? If the red guard does it’s job then there shouldn’t ever be a problem correct?
@jackperry7445
@jackperry7445 6 жыл бұрын
You actually took the time to answer me?! You really rock man I seriously appreciate you pal
@jeffbrower68
@jeffbrower68 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and your pride in your work and technical precision, the only thing I wonder about is putting redguard on top of a poured base of sand mix which is supposed to allow water to pass through and is meant to secondarily drain any penetrating water down to a pitched pan liner and to the drain, making its way in through the slot/cut threads of the finish drain piece. Is water supposed to get down to the liner or is that just in case it ever makes its way down that far? (I'm told you have to use sandmix instead of concrete because the sandmix pour allows water to get through the pack and to the pitched liner) I was always told though to skim the entire base with thinset then make sure all the mortar lines go continuously to the drain. Also, if a square drain ever had to be unthreaded for some reason the mortar would have to be busted out around the drain so it could spin, whereas a round drain could just spin out, I work with whatever is preferred, but I do like running my tile over the plastic of a round drain, then, with longer stainless steel screws, set the round drain plate over the tiles for a clean look. Any rough edges on the stainless plate have to be sanded smooth though. Not sure why the drains don't just come that way, to have a smooth finish plate over the tile cuts ? For the walls I like a vapor barrier over the studs and over the pan liner running up the wall. I Iike the studs notched 1/4" in the corners so the membrane doesn't cause a bow in the walls where it is folded, then durarock screwed over the barrier and like you show off the poured base. I like 2x12 blocking between the studs sonic can secure the wallboard solid at the bottom, every 8," 8" off the floor, which I think if people did that they wouldn't be tempted to rely on the poured base to make the wallboard solid against movement. I do think they also put it down before pouring because it's easy to get a level grade line on a board then on a rubber membrane, which is why I also glue my membrane to the perimeter blocking and up and over the curb after also applying a good coat of the membrane adhesive to the wood, then it stays tight and you can snap some nice red snap lines in it. I make a level reference line 10" up the wall before I begin, which I use for my preliminary pour to establish a pitch for the membrane to the drain, , measure down and snap my lines. Then after installing the membrane I just work level from my leveled drain to my furthest point and figure 1/4" higher on the wall for foot of run, and make a mark on the membrane on the wall. Then i just measure down from my reference line, which is easier than trying to mark the underside of a level 2" off the floor. Also leveling the drain with the drain in is important, if the drain base is leveled, because of thread pitches, the final install of the drain will be out of level, in which case the upper portion of the drain base plate will have to be shimmed evenly all around to relevel the finished drain piece. With a round drain the plate can sit on top of the tile and though the threads are pitched, the final outcome is a drain plate always perfect with the floor. Also, I fill my silicone my seams and corners between wallboard and set mesh tape, then when dry skin coat with thinset and drag my tile lines on the wall, then back butter the tile. I've removed tile on a job for a plumber around a valve and the red waterproofing liner came off the wall like a fruit rollup, taking tiles off the wall with it, whereas the tile adhesive to the liner was good, that left me thinking waterproofing behind a cement board offered the best tile bond to the wall while preventing and sweating of the masonry tile board, maybe 1/4" hardi is better with blocking moisture that could come through. I hate denshield unless it's a little bit of tile just above a fiberglass surround, since any sheetrock product just pushes in behind the tile in the event you have to take any off the wall down the road, and if it ever gets wet it's ruined or moldy
@BlueOriginAire
@BlueOriginAire 3 жыл бұрын
I much prefer you made a video of everything you wrote .... l need visual to understand anything you said. I’m sure there is great content in your instructions.
@bgt1666
@bgt1666 6 жыл бұрын
Finally a video showing it done correctly
@TheK9Shepherd
@TheK9Shepherd 5 жыл бұрын
You mentioned at the end not to back butter the last wall tile on the bottom so that it doesn't get into that opening. Why is that? Does it make the thinset in that gap susceptible to mold or rot? Thanks !
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 5 жыл бұрын
What I mentioned was not back buttering the bottom inch of your last tile not the whole tile, yeah you don't want to pack in thinset into the Gap because it defeats the purpose, if water gets into the Gap area it could theoretically travel into the thinset in into the wall
@TheK9Shepherd
@TheK9Shepherd 5 жыл бұрын
Right just the very bottom edge of the tile over the gap is what I meant. Thanks !! Makes sense !
@Naidoopavan
@Naidoopavan Жыл бұрын
Hey Bob! Do not want to start off on a wrong foot. I like all the songs you play in the intro. And to get to the matter, There is red guard applied and water does not pass through that to get to the wall board. What do you say to that?
@jamIam6548
@jamIam6548 Ай бұрын
It can touch with the proper pre-slope and a waterproof membrane. The amount of moisture with a correct slope will never wick up the cement board even with durroc.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile Ай бұрын
Absolutely will, seen it many many times over + 20 years of doing this work
@pinecorey
@pinecorey 4 жыл бұрын
Your proud of your work..... And you should be. Nicely done bud.🙂
@jeosra7467
@jeosra7467 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised nobody talks about the importance of a really strong framing and subfloor around your shower. I have seen brand new showers failed because framing was weak, specially around subfloor, creating cracks on shower pan and eventually leaks.
@aubsweets5116
@aubsweets5116 Жыл бұрын
About how far up from the ground would you lift your backerbord like a 1/2 inch? Love your work! I’m a young lady and your videos truly are AMAZING!!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile Жыл бұрын
Yes about 3/4 to 1" The floor tile and thinset will take up about 1/2"
@garycarpenter2932
@garycarpenter2932 3 жыл бұрын
only reason i can figure people put the wall board first, then pan is the ease of making the level line for the floor.. which is the way i was taught so many years ago. the guy that taught me this? tile is all he did. mud walls too. does that make a difference? in any event, i retired from remodeling. getting old and make jewelry boxes nowadays. but i'm helping my kid do a shower. i used the floor first method, i see it makes sense. i ask about the red guard.. would you use it on hardi board and a mud floor too? looks like it is some pretty awesome stuff..
@jedijennie
@jedijennie 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU YODA!!! Long story short, I just bought a $170k house with INSANE MOLD ISSUES! 3 main areas and 1 of them was a DIY shower done HORRIBLY wrong. SOOOO much more horrible than any on your channel. I mean...this guy can't be beat. I have documented everything and will be taking him to court - all the damage comes out to $50k, 6 weeks so far of my time (I am unemployed now), and a LOOOOOT of demo and documentation on my part. I just started calling around for contractors to resolve all the issues. Now I KNOW what to look for when they tile the bathrooms - they MUST use that red stuff!!!! Thank you for all your videos!!! ~JJ
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome ;-)
@chuckmartin3775
@chuckmartin3775 6 жыл бұрын
Great videos Bob. When I get rich, I will remember you! Thx! Lot of hacks out there folks. This guy know what he is doing!
@bustinya2240
@bustinya2240 3 жыл бұрын
I've never done it this way in all my many years. But i gotta say i like your theory.
@andymerchant4776
@andymerchant4776 6 жыл бұрын
Hi again, thanks for the speedy reply. The wall tile meeting the floor tile on pan, how much gap do you allow for Grout, or would you advise Caulk. Do you grout corners also ?? Thanks again.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 6 жыл бұрын
Leave about 1/8'' at that transition. Grout it in, and yes corners too. IF cracking occurs over the years, THEN you should caulk. My shower is 4 years old, no cracking & no caulk.
@chrisvillalobos2053
@chrisvillalobos2053 4 жыл бұрын
You are saving me thousands of dollars! Thanks for the videos!
@efman2k3
@efman2k3 7 жыл бұрын
Your workis nothing shy of stellar! Thank you for posting such great videos!!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
thank you sir
@Dominic-jb1uf
@Dominic-jb1uf 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Good info. What material is your wallboard? Drywall, greenboard, Durock? What is your board of choice?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
If you were waterproof and everything then whatever use for wallboard is irrelevant, my go-to product is green board but there is a backer board out there called Triton.. a little hard to get but I like it alot
@winnipegdigitalpsychogeogr5958
@winnipegdigitalpsychogeogr5958 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing many of your insightful videos! I agree with the principle of getting the wall board off the pan to eliminate wicking. However, with this approach, the bottom 1/4" or so grout for the wall tile is unsupported - does this create problems where the grout will deteriorate over time ? My concern is that I am installing subway tile on the vertical and I have many grout vertical grout lines that will hit the floor, will there be missing grout in the future since the bottom bit of grout is unsupported behind? Thanks again!
@dmo224
@dmo224 Жыл бұрын
Well. it's a year late for you but I am entering this phase of planning for my own shower and considering the same thing. I agree that standing the wall board off of the pan is soundly logical, however the avoidance of back-butter on the lowest bit (1/4") of bottom tile makes less sense. By standing the backer board off the pan, Redgard (Hydroban or whatever) can be applied in such a way that it coats that gap-cavity, including the bottom of the backer board; this creates a capillary break between the shower pan and the backer board. As such, you are not relying upon physical separation as the sole means of wicking-prevention. Furthermore, filling that cavity, even with cementitious media like thinset, should have no impact if the Redgard (or whatever) is applied continuously. If water were to be wicked upward through such media it would logically meet the Redgarded bottom of the wall board and its upward ascension would be impeded. "But it could keep riding the thinset upwards past the gap and further up the wall, between the tile and backer board!" So what? Presumably, the Redgard goes all the way up the wall, so the relatively small number of vertical inches that the capillary action wicks moisture upward has no impact on the wall assembly behind the Redgard. If you only Regarded a couple of inches up the wall then this (and more) would be a problem. Lastly, I am using a more contemporary foam backerboard. Polystyrene itself is hydrophobic but I still like the idea of standing it off the pan for good measure, just in case some unforeseen physical forces encourage water to rise up the material. In any case, I would be curious to know what course you took and how things have worked out for you.
@elainelegault5924
@elainelegault5924 4 ай бұрын
How do you attach the backboard to the vinyl liner on the walls without putting screws/hole in the liner ?
@scottcliburn985
@scottcliburn985 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great videos.....it’s obviously a labor of love!!! I have a question about Densshield backer board. A lot of timers in Our area (Southern AZ) are using it. It lends itself well to you method of keeping wallboard off the pan. However, Densshield (DS) Manufacturer says to run some of pan mortar up the wall, then stop bottom of DS just short of that small mortar strip and silicone caulk between DS and top of that mortar strip (hope I explained that well enough. What do you think of using DS in general and this method of having to run a small mortar strip 2”-6” above top of pan? Seems unnecessary to me?
@richrobinson6801
@richrobinson6801 4 жыл бұрын
Great video !! Maybe I have overlooked a video somewhere or haven't come across it yet, but how far down do you screw in the wallboard? Looks like it screws into the pan liner and maybe silicone in the screw holes and then get coats of RedGard? Thanks for all you do
@dhonnoll78
@dhonnoll78 Жыл бұрын
Did you say once you can do regular cement on top of the floor UP TO the PVC liner? Like regular cement, PVC liner, then your mortar set to level and slope, then thinset and tile? or does it have to be mortar above cement, below pvc liner?
@waypointman
@waypointman 2 жыл бұрын
I agree about the wallboard, but I do my pan and curb out of the same mortar at the same time..
@flaxcomb08
@flaxcomb08 4 жыл бұрын
That seems like a lot of room for water to pool up and stay inside that gap. Or should I look at this like weep holes on a brick wall install? Thanks for all your support!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 4 жыл бұрын
Tile is set on the floor first and overlap with the wall tile, if any water gets in there it will be minuscule at best and that's still a big *IF* Caulk could mitigate it, but since it's all waterproofed anyway I feel better doing this way rather than have 200 lbs of mortar wet and hope weepholes function as intended.
@ToddMcDurmont
@ToddMcDurmont 7 жыл бұрын
This are really great videos. I appreciate your perfection. You don't play. You do it right. Much respect!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@ToddMcDurmont
@ToddMcDurmont 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos. I watch in awe. Know that I appreciate your perfection and quality. It's rare these days!
@newslavecity8311
@newslavecity8311 Жыл бұрын
why not fill the gap with grout caulk ? or some water proof construction adhesive?
@CreationVibration
@CreationVibration 5 жыл бұрын
Oatley says in their instructions to install the wallboard 1” off the pvc liner before the mortar bed is down. Maybe that has something to do with why so many people put the wall board down in the mortar. Never made sense to me so I’ve never done it that way
@kevinsoundmixer
@kevinsoundmixer 5 жыл бұрын
Yup, it's even in their diagram! You can see it embedded into the pan. I like the StarrTile method better, it makes sense!
@CreationVibration
@CreationVibration 5 жыл бұрын
LightGesture. Red gard the wall board along the bottom edge and a few inches up the back and front sides before you put it in.
@DUDE72341
@DUDE72341 9 ай бұрын
ok so wall board is not into pan..but wall 2 by 4 sill plate and blcoking is still there behind redguard??? framing member behind membrane, wall board would be behind membrane? i dont see your idea as the missing link...help me understand sir
@Hockeyshiitake
@Hockeyshiitake 2 жыл бұрын
maybe this was already asked , I have a concrete slab and wood stud walls going to do mud bed and cement board on the walls , what is the procedure for that. Thanks for any info
@lubokasprisin9710
@lubokasprisin9710 7 жыл бұрын
If you bury the Duroc wall into the pan and than cover everything with redguard, how does the water penetrate the wall?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
When you have 4 bags of 80lb mortar as your pan, why would you bury a porous wallboard into it and take a chance...is the better question.
@gabrielhanc9707
@gabrielhanc9707 7 жыл бұрын
I been putting my boards in the concrete shower base since forever. I had have built showers in the past 10-15 years and never had a client call me back with the mold on the tiles. The reason they end up with mold is that they don't clean their bathrooms often enough. Now, I'm not saying you are doing yo ur bases the wrong way, I think you do great work.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
Go to 17:30 on this video > kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etmlgK5iyK7WYH0.html I have many videos just like this...your customer will never know until it's demo'd, but it does create issues.
@myguitarsuxass
@myguitarsuxass 6 жыл бұрын
The point is, there's no possibility of saturation here. If you embed the rock and redguard everything, you're depending on zero pinholes on the redguard. If it fails, it a penetration point.
@solotravis9427
@solotravis9427 6 жыл бұрын
I agree the redguard is fine. Always 3 coats in corners for pin holes
@garystetler4358
@garystetler4358 6 жыл бұрын
What if (after the shower is done and in use) the drain clogs with hair or whatever and you wind up with 2-3 inches of water in the bottom of the shower? Wouldn't the water reach the wallboard (and wick) then? I think I will redguard the bottom edges of the wall board and even about curb height on the backside of the wallboard. I guess if you caulk the seam where the wall tile comes down to the floor tile it wouldn't be as likely either.
@SHomeSolutions
@SHomeSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
So you did a concrete floor? I assume in that gap on the wall behind the wall board is a rubber liner?... so the redguard will stick fine to the rubber liner?
@paulness8352
@paulness8352 Жыл бұрын
Is the redguard at the ends of the pan actually on thr pan liner, where thr floor tile goes under the backer board?
@mikealford2588
@mikealford2588 5 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t you just coat front, back and bottom of wall board with red guard about a foot up and let dry then install staying a inch or two from pvc liner and have floor mud help tighten the backer board? Shouldn’t be any wicking up the wall then ?
@NB-rv2yz
@NB-rv2yz 6 жыл бұрын
The information is great, the music in the background is very distracting and irritating, lol.
@shure46
@shure46 5 жыл бұрын
I agree .....
@ClickHere82
@ClickHere82 4 жыл бұрын
I like the music. How old are the people that are complaining about the ambient racket? lol
@Cello69.
@Cello69. 4 жыл бұрын
I love and appreciate more music than most. Classical, club, pop, country, rock, hip hop... get the picture? But whatever that background track was i did not like.
@sammiller9854
@sammiller9854 2 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend putting red guard on the wall board all the way up? Also the floor as well? Thanks
@tedeberhard9863
@tedeberhard9863 2 жыл бұрын
Since your redgarding wouldn't this kinda be irrelevant since your shower pan will never see water? So therefore your wall board won't either even if it was in contact with the mortar? At 2 coats of redgard its rated as a shower pan so it won't allow water to pass at all. I think you do really good work so not trying to critique just actually wanting your thoughts on that.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
Given a choice to have the backer board inside the mortar bed or not and regardless that the whole thing will be waterproof I think it's always imperative not to have the possibility of wicking so therefore better to have the board sitting above
@markdevlin9967
@markdevlin9967 2 ай бұрын
Sorry this isn’t related to pan liners but I was hoping to get your recommendation on ceramic tile sealer. One that hopefully doesn’t change the color of my grout. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 ай бұрын
It's not really the tile that you were using seal for but more for the grout... stain-proof is the best on the market
@jackperry7445
@jackperry7445 6 жыл бұрын
What's the reason you don't want thin set filling the gap under the bottom wall tile? I think it was the tile master guy who said he fills that gap with thin set? Why don't you is it bad to do that? Will it cause issues in the future?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 6 жыл бұрын
Because it allows water to travel up wallboard if pan gets wet. I used to fill it too, but I don't anymore.
@bennisim7949
@bennisim7949 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. It seems you painted the floor with red guard as well. You don’t think it would create a sandwich effect between red guard and the liner? By trapping any possible moisture? Thanks a lot.
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 4 жыл бұрын
Ideally you're waiting at least 3 days, longer if possible for the mortar to dry first before waterproofing...I run a fan on it 24/7 and let cure before encapsulating it
@2k_golf998
@2k_golf998 4 жыл бұрын
I think he may be referring to after the shower is in use... What if water makes its way below the redguard when someone is showering?
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 4 жыл бұрын
@@2k_golf998 nothing will penetrate redgard, it is basically liquid rubber
@2k_golf998
@2k_golf998 4 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile that is the purpose of the product, right? Haha, great work, I've learned so much from your videos. My idea, similar to yours, is to redguard, but only 6-8" inches onto the pan, to allow some room to breath if, for what ever reason, water gets into the pan. Horrible idea? Or no?
@warlok9
@warlok9 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarrTile “Nothing will penetrate Red Guard...” So if you have that much trust in the Red Guard to never allow water into or beyond the mortar pan, why use a pan liner at all? And if the answer is that it’s just another layer of protection, then the original question remains a good point. If water does ever get past the Red guard, you will have a situation where you now have moisture and mortar between two vapor barriers with no way for evaporation to occur. This would cause the breakdown of the mortar itself and would cause the the top barrier (red guard) to separate from the mortar. I also feel you have way to much trust that grout won’t crack at the change of planed surfaces. In my experience it’s rare when it doesn’t crack. Any change in temperature between walls, especially an exterior to an interior wall is going to crack eventually. You say “wait until there is a problem before you fix it.” Most customers are going to ignore the hairline crack in their grouted corners. Could be years of water penetration before it gets bad enough that they call someone. By then it’s a mess. I know it probably seems like I’m giving you a hard time, but I’m just trying to think it through logically. I appreciate what you do.
@jtoker9758
@jtoker9758 11 ай бұрын
So at 3:41 where it has that gap between the wall tile and the floor tile, so you eventually grout that gap in too? Or you silicone that gap?
@jasonmushersee
@jasonmushersee 7 жыл бұрын
not all homes are the same. i live in a late 1800's victorian 2 story with flooded crawl space and the bathroom is next to a exterior load bearing wall. no insulation in the walls at all so every wall/floor joist constantly expanding contracting throughout the year from severe humidity to -35* dewpoints in the winter.
@781coolmind
@781coolmind 3 жыл бұрын
Tell them again....lol didn’t think they heard you.... good video..cause people don’t know this..
@pibblesnbits
@pibblesnbits 7 жыл бұрын
So what do you do with the gap where the wall tile meets the floor tile? Is it supposed to be grouted or filled with silicone where the tiles meet? Or do you leave the gap open so that water flows in and out? Thank you!
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 7 жыл бұрын
I doubt water will flow in & out, the gap is left as is
@chuckmartin3775
@chuckmartin3775 6 жыл бұрын
Grout! Push it in! LOL
@louiegrabske7655
@louiegrabske7655 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so i ran my wall board through my subfloor and into the attic, gonna go go for the pan next!
@SHomeSolutions
@SHomeSolutions 3 жыл бұрын
So if I’m correct... pan mud base, pvc liner up the wall, my 2nd coat of mud bed over pvc liner then hang cement board high enough to be above floor tile then redguard?... and I guess my main question is, if you use a mud bed/pvc liner, can I redguard over that mud bed/liner like the video? Almost as a double layer of protection on top of the pvc liner and allows no water to my cement board on the walls?
@rickdeleon8407
@rickdeleon8407 3 жыл бұрын
So I had to leave out of state, so let my brother finish my bathroom project, he’s been flipping houses for 10 yrs. I came home to find out that he used green board drywall for my stand up shower, but mentioned to me it would work if I redgard the whole shower, it has its shower bed shower Liner. So my question is that correct to use that green board drywall? I’ve always thought to use cement board as a shower wall water proof barrier then tiling of course need opinion before tearing down drywall?
@codymcdonald4578
@codymcdonald4578 4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how the water wicks up the wallboard when everything is covered in waterproofing
@codymcdonald4578
@codymcdonald4578 4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Bernard so why leave a gap at the bottom if you waterproof, seems pointless
@kingkingking8583
@kingkingking8583 4 жыл бұрын
@@codymcdonald4578 nothing is water proof water resistant i'll say water does find it's way some how.
@eriklarsen7358
@eriklarsen7358 Жыл бұрын
Bob, how thick of a gap for say 5/16 mosaic? Thanks for the educational videos. Getting geared up to do my own neo angle shower and corner tub in my log cabin.
@troyshinn6258
@troyshinn6258 2 жыл бұрын
How are you keeping your backer board / durrock/ whatever, tight to the studs/keeping backer board plum without putting screw holes in the pan liner...and especially with the corner folds of the pan liner if I had to guess, everyone has there way of doing things but screw holes on the inside of a shower curb and screw holes from the bottom of pan liner up 12" is not good.... either way it looks good and your way or my way they all basically last the same amount of time ...but all in all great work.....
@StarrTile
@StarrTile 2 жыл бұрын
Screw holes in the liner too far below and screw holes in the curb doesn't even matter anymore because everything is waterproof from the surface, a seal system is the Mantra nowadays so anything you do below the waterproofing is almost irrelevant
@LeftyCenter
@LeftyCenter 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Is that grout or silicon or something else between the floor tile and the wall, at wall-tiling part towards the video's end? Thanks.
@budrho123
@budrho123 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing
@patrickbrown9183
@patrickbrown9183 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. What if there is a drain block or water testing by keeping water 3" for4 hours in the pan? Will the water not climb on the backer board and create wicking or does Redgurad do the sealing?
@ritawilliams8473
@ritawilliams8473 4 жыл бұрын
Is wish you would’ve done a part 2 . What do you seal the bottom with ?? Just grout??????
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