That's awesome info!!

How are you overlaying the free show lower thirds without using an input in vMix?

Thanks! For sure. Always good to know what's out there.

Same - on my Mac Mini 2012 clicking the scripture tab and it totally freezes the app…..

Thanks for working to build a great product!

I'll waiting, in about a year or two I think you guys will catch up to propresenter 7 a bit better! I don't update Propresenter!

Why does the scripture tab hangs the whip software? In Mac.

​@@icoweb500 It's a bug, but it will be working again in the next update.

Yeah I agree, kinda weird that you can't

Yeah, it's definitely powerful, I'm just not sure how many churches are realistically going to take advantage of it. But it's cool to have!

I'd assume it's probably the easiest way to give "pro level" control over things, as the software is seemingly based on web tech, it'd be seemingly trivial for a dev to allow access to. I agree it's probably not that useful for many, but for the few who really need it, it'll be a live saver (well, Jesus is the real life saver, but in terms of presenter software!)

I've been spending a lot of time over the past week digging into FreeShow. The scripture import works very well. I was even able to download and import NIV, which is used at our church. The one minor issue that I've come across is the addition of an unneeded line return if importing the reference independently. If your text box is big enough, you can use it as is, or simply delete the line return manually.

Good info!

@@celilo Seems the scripture tab freezes the whole software from my end. did you experience anything like that?

I have same issue

Yeah! It's obviously not for everyone, but it's cool that they've got it!

I didn't see anything about that specifically, I'm guessing you probably can't do it as of now. But maybe in the future!

That's fair, that's a way to do it. But technically that's an apples to oranges comparison since FreeShow has free updates. But lots of people use PP that way and are very happy!

Same here. I am only considering 7 because of NDI. But 6 has been working well for us.

Glad you found it helpful!

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing not

Im not sure, however, If FreeShow is compatible with the EdgeBlender plug-in, then it Might be able to

Bummer 😕

What exactly made you switch to FreeShow over ProPres?

@@BradleyAlsup Firstly It Gets most of the Things Get Done for a Small Church to Mid Size Church. We Do Operate with Multiple Cameras and Screens. Second the Interface is very identical to ProPresenter and in many cases Easy to Use. Overall it's a Great Product if someone don't want to invest but still get features at par with Professional Presentation Software like ProPresenter.

First of all it Gets Everything Done for Small to Medium Sized Churches. Secondly it's very Similar to Pro Presenter. We use Multiple Camera and Screens in Church and It works Perfectly Fine. Also They Rolled out an Update Today and I believe they will continue to Improve the Software.

@@divineleads that’s sweet! So was there any feature that made you switch? Or was it strictly a price point decision?

@@BradleyAlsup 2 Things Actually. Price is one and the other is that it's more Light Made, what I mean is, when I used to stream. As there are many softwares opened at the same time on our PC, Pro Presenter used to slow down while switching lyrics as we show lyrics on multiple screens and in Live Stream at the same time. But this Solved the Issue and Run everything smoothly at the same time.

They DO exist!! 😂

My XR18 is setup with Linux and I love it. Gonna setup Freeshow on my other Linux machine tonight and test it at choir rehearsal.

@@budget-church-livestreaming me is the second one. Also some custom tuned linux for light management and stage controll server. Btw it geve us both cheap and powerfull lightning solution with volonteer frendly remote controll. Looking forward for some integration with FreeShow.

@@gusterge YEP. Pretty the same setup. We use X32 but we still controll it remotly. Also this allows good integration with OSC server

Good clarification!

In case anyone's confused: it's $399 to buy the software, which includes a one year subscription that entitles you to tech support (via email, but they respond quickly) and software updates. After that, if you let your subscription expire, the license will still continue to work indefinitely, but you're no longer entitled to upgrade to new versions, and when you decide you do want to upgrade, you'll have to pay the full $399 again. Or, for $189 per year, you can keep renewing your subscription. With an expired subscription, you can continue to run any version of the software that was released before your subscription expired. So you can still upgrade, downgrade, try out different versions, whatever, as long as you don't try to run any version that was released after your subscription expired. It's also important to understand that you only need a license for computers that will be presenting in front of an audience - if you're just creating presentations, or doing testing or training, you don't need a license for that. Without a license, the ProPresenter logo will be displayed on all audience screens, but otherwise the software is fully functional. If you buy ProPresenter in 2024, renew the license in 2025, renew again in 2026, and renew again in 2027, your total cost (assuming all prices stay what they are now) will have been $966, and you'll be entitled to upgrades and tech support the whole time. Alternately, you could buy now in 2024, let the subscription expire in 2025, continue to run without a subscription in 2026, and buy a new license in 2027. Your total cost would be $798 - you'll save money if you can go two years without upgrading (or needing support). Here's the risk: the version you currently have may stop meeting your needs, even though your license entitles you to keep using it. For example, let's say you let your subscription expire a year and a half ago, and let's say you've been running ProPresenter on an old Mac. First of all, CCLI has dropped support for the old version of the SongSelect API, so SongSelect integration in the old version of ProPresenter no longer works. Secondly, if that computer dies, as all things inevitably must, and you want to replace it with a new one, a new Mac will ship with macOS 14 Sonoma, and will be incompatible with older macOS versions. The version of ProPresenter you've been using is not compatible with Sonoma, so it won't run on a brand new Mac. If you had kept your subscription current, you wouldn't have to worry about either of these issues, and you'd also get access to new features that might solve some problems you've been running into. But what about the future? If your subscription is about to expire, maybe CCLI won't change their API again, maybe your current computer will keep working, maybe Renewed Vision won't release any new features that you really need, so maybe you won't need to upgrade within the next few years. But maybe you will. There's no way to know for sure.

@@grnphroggy wow, thanks for the detailed rundown!

From what I read in the docs, FreeShow can do that! I just didn't run through every single feature

I downloaded a ChordPro file from CCLI and used the import function to bring it into FreeShow. Assuming that you want to show the chords on the stage display, select the lyrics text box on the stage display and turn the cords feature on in the right panel. That worked for me. Be aware that using the text edit view to break a verse across several slides will result in the loss of chord data. I resolved this by entering a line return in the source ChordPro file prior to importing.

We actually used vmix originally! I'll probably make a video about it at some point

😂

I haven't used it myself, but looks like it's an option!

We have been using OpenLP on Linux on an i5 Dell Inspiron for almost 7 months. The only issues we have had were WiFi related. Cabled everything up, and no more issues!

it's amazing, custom stage views are the stuff!!

Haha fair point

I'd argue it IS a PP killer for a church with zero budget for presentation software. But also...come on man, it's a KZfaq video, gotta play the game a lil bit to get any views 😂

​@@budget-church-livestreamingunfortunately, clickbait titles are just a reality of KZfaq. I think the video laid out the proper concerns for anybody who actually watched it. I would only recommend this for technically astute users at this point, as there are a lot of issues that the typical volunteer would find daunting. As with all open source, our job is to help the project to improve in any way we can so that it might eventually be a propresenter killer. We use ProPresenter extensively and it's constant bugs are an ongoing issue; not what you hope for when you consider the cost of the software. While it's a bit rough, freeshow is the alternative with the closest parity to ProPresenter that I've come across.

@@budget-church-livestreaming If you want to play with an audience then rename your channel. Because if you are playing while giving advice - you have a wrong channel name

@@sergeypryvala7750 I think FreeShow is a ProPresenter killer for a church on an extremely tight budget, so I actually think the title meshes with my channel name pretty well

Hey man, did you actually watch the video? I feel like I presented a pretty balanced view on FreeShow and who it's for. The title is a bit baity for sure, but I'd argue for FreeShow's audience (churches who really can't afford ProPresenter), ProP really is dead. That's not true of everybody, but most things aren't!

Also if you watched the video, you'd see that my church DOES use ProPresenter, because we don't really fit in FreeShow's target demographic. But it doesn't mean other people don't want to know it's an option!

Dude, it's a youtube title, I'm just playing the game 😂 If you feel like I misrepresented the product in the actual video, let me know! I also don't think my word should ever be enough for someone to go on, it's just a starting point to see if you're interested. Even if I had run it for a month in a live environment, it's not guaranteed that I'm running it on the same hardware and using the same exact features as anyone else, so anyone looking to use it is still gonna have to test it for themselves anyway

​@@budget-church-livestreaming u gotta play the youtube game. answer these with a video

@@raulgalets haha idk that I need to clutter up my channel with response videos QUITE yet 😂

@@budget-church-livestreaming not a direct response video, just a creative "I aknowledge this" video maybe answering othere queries too. the way you answered them you removed value from your video actually. well, who am I to say really but, I hope you find your path

I'm so embarrassed 😜

Has the best bible verse search on the fly in my opinion , like not picky with spelling.

I still use EW2009! LOL. Definitely simple, but am very interested in FreeShow. I've downloaded it, but need to figure out how it works, as I've never used ProPres.

First try it looks like it can handle multiple outputs with different layout. Need to test it "in field conditions" to say for sure

I don't have a video on it, but some of the reasons are the editing functions aren't as good, it's not optimized for worship songs or scripture, the workflow is kinda weird for a service flow, you can't create and recall songs, etc. It's really good at what it does, it's just not really made for this

I think it's still truthful for a small church who has trouble affording ProPresenter!

This one also seems to have rough lurning curve

I honestly feel like any type of presentation software is going to have a bit of learning curve, it's not something most people have used before

FreeShow is worse. It looks like it should have the capabilities we need, but I can't recommend it for our church, in part because ProPresenter's UI is much less confusing.

@@grnphroggy that’s saying a lot…

@@budget-church-livestreaming ehhh… as a UX designer, it’s a problem. It’s just not well designed

I don't see much benefit in comparing it to the older version...Pro7 has been out for YEARS at this point. Would you mind sharing what half-truths you heard? I feel like this was a pretty fair review of the capabilities of a free piece of software (I literally showed it crashing). I even said it's not for everyone, including my own church. And while you can prioritize Pro7 in your budget, some churches just don't have that option, so it's good for them to know that there are other avenues! For even extra context, I used to attend a church plant that didn't have budget for ProPresenter, so something like this would have been great, even with its flaws. We didn't need something perfect, but something better than PowerPoint would have been nice.

If the half-truth was in regards to the pricing of ProPresenter, that's honestly my bad, I didn't fully realize (I'm not the one with the credit card at my church). I've pinned a comment addressing that. Thanks for pointing it out!

Please forgive me for the rudeness in my first comment. “Half-truth” was harsh, and uncalled for, and I’m sorry for being a jerk about it. If you don’t mind, I’ll share some perspective of why that really struck a nerve. I’m a Sr. Pastor now, but I’ve spend most of the last 20 years in the booth. I’m a professional audio engineer first, but eventually made my way into Tech Director roles, working in churches ranging from 10 people to 2-3,000 weekly attendance. I can’t count the times that there was a LEGITIMATE need for the tech team (regardless of church size) and the request was denied because A) we had something that “worked” (even if it didn’t really), or B) the pastor had seen something on the internet that is “just as good, and it’s free, so we’re not paying for that.” Again, I’m so sorry for being a jerk earlier, and I SUPER appreciate your grace and humility. Thanks for reminding me, and being a good example of how to handle haters. The irony is, I’m in the early stages of planning a new channel focused on helping small churches, and I definitely didn’t extend the grace that I’d hope people extend me one day. I went back and watched most of your video again, and you make killer content. You got a like on this video from me, a new subscriber, and hopefully a friend :)

@@buster1387 hey man, thanks for coming back in such a kind and humble way, I appreciate it. I definitely get that perspective! It's frustrating to not have the tools you need to get the job done, especially if you can truly afford them. This video is realistically not meant to sway anyone who's already using ProPresenter. It's more to bring awareness of other options to people who think it's the only way, but they can't afford it. And also to bring awareness to a cool project so that hopefully people help support making it better! I don't want people to use broken things just because they're cheap. I just want people to see that they don't necessarily need to have the very latest and greatest of everything. Thanks again for your response, it's rare to see on KZfaq 😂 hope your new channel goes well, reach out if you'd ever like to collab on anything!

Idk that I FULLY agree with that, but I do agree that 50% of the features are probably not used by 90% of churches, which is kinda tough

@@budget-church-livestreamingI agree, as a medium sized church I’ve wished we would use more of pro presenters features like integrating cameras or using audience looks for broadcasting and other things. I understand why they are there and I can see they are useful elsewhere in bigger churches but it’s a shame we can’t take full advantages of all of these

@@ludicrousgaming7956 If you livestream your services, you should at least be using Looks to apply different Themes to different Audience Screens. There's no good reason not to be formatting your content for lower thirds.

Lots of good points here!!

I don't think it's misleading, I showed exactly what FreeShow can do, and literally even showed it crashing. Some churches simply have zero budget for ProPresenter, and those churches are usually small and don't need perfect "production ready" softwares, and so FreeShow is a good option for them to look at. Is this good for a huge church? Absolutely not. But at no point do I say that it is. My audience is a budget church, and I think this is perfect content for that audience

@@budget-church-livestreaming 1 misleading in the title. Second point - you have not even tried it outside your home

@@sergeypryvala7750 yeah but I said I didn't try it outside of home? I feel like I'm extremely up front about that. I'm not advocating that people trust me implicitly, I'm saying it's worth trying out. If it's not for you, that's fine!