Proto-Indo-European: An Overview

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Learn Hittite

Learn Hittite

Күн бұрын

🌍 Explore the Roots of Language! 🗺️
📽️ Welcome to our beginner-friendly journey into the world of Proto-Indo-European! 🗣️
In this video, we delve into the ancient linguistic ancestor that gave birth to a vast array of modern languages. Whether you're a language enthusiast, a history buff, or simply curious about the origins of human communication, this video is for you!
🔍 What's Inside:
👉 Introduction to Proto-Indo-European: Unravel the mystery of the world's oldest reconstructed language.
📚 Basic Vocabulary: Learn EIGHT Proto-Indo-European words and their meanings. Gain an insight to proto-Indo-European culture via language!
🗣️ Example Sentences: Hear and see Proto-Indo-European in action with a sample sentence plus some samples of Hittite, Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Celtic.
🌐 Language Evolution: Discover how this ancient language branched into the languages we know today.
🤓 Beginner-Friendly: No prior knowledge required!
📜 Dive into the linguistic treasure trove of Proto-Indo-European and gain a deeper understanding of its impact on our linguistic heritage.
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@lilianproencademenezesmont4161
@lilianproencademenezesmont4161 28 күн бұрын
I am a retired Professor of Sanskrit Language and Litterature from the Department of Classic Studies at the University of São Paulo _ USP , Brazil. In our classes my collegues and I lectured the Indo- European and its relation to Sanskrit.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
Ach, something went wrong with the rendering of me talking about book recommendations at the end. Probably messed some settings up - was tinkering around with too many new things. My apologies. You'll have to just put up with my low resolution face and overly bright backgorund
@Abeturk
@Abeturk 16 күн бұрын
The names of some organs it's used as the suffix for nouns, “Ak”= ~each of both (Yan= side) Yan-ak= each of both sides (of the face) >Yanak= cheek (Gül= rose) Kül-ak = each of both the roses >Kulak= Ear (Şek=facet) Şek-ak = each of both sides (of forehead) >Şakak= temple (Dal=subsection, branch) Dal-ak=dalak= Spleen (Böbür=scarlet fleck) Böbür-ak=böbrek= Kidney = each of both red-spots / blodfleck Bağça-ak>(Paça-ak)>bacak= Leg (ankle) (Pati = paw) Batı-ak>pathiak>phatyak>hadyak>adyak)=Ayak= the foot > each of the feet (Taş=stone) Taş-ak=testicle Akciğer=~(each of) both lungs Bacı-yan-ak > Bacanak= each of the husbands of the sisters of your wife >> just for men TÜL-KARN-AK =that obscures/ shadowing each of both dark/ covert periods= Karanlık (batıni) çağların her birini örten tül ZHU'L-KARN-EYN=the (shader) owner of each of both times DU’AL-CHORN-EIN=double-horned-one=(the horned hunter)Herne the hunter> Cernunnos> Karneios it's used as the suffix for verbs, “Ak /ek“=a-qa ~which thing to / what’s to… Er-mek = to get / to reach Bar-mak (Varmak)= to arrive / to achieve Er-en-mek > erinmek / Bar-an-mak > barınmak =to arrive on one's own Erin-ek / barın-ak = what’s there to arrive at oneself Ernek / Barnak > Parmak = Finger Çiğ=uncooked, raw Çiğne-mek =to chew Çiğne-ek>Çiğneh> Çene = Chin Tut-mak = to hold / to keep Tut-ak=Dudak= Lip Tara-mak = to comb/ ~to rake Tara-ak > Tarak =(what’s there to comb)> the comb Tara-en-mak > taranmak = to comb oneself Taran-ak > Tırnak =(what’s there to comb oneself)> fingernail
@Abeturk
@Abeturk 16 күн бұрын
Ba Ba = Baba / Apa / eba / abu /爸爸= Papa ( Pater > Father) Na Na = Ana / Anne = 妈妈/ Ma Ma / Mom ( Mater > Mother) Ne Ne = Nene / Nine = 奶奶/ Nanny (Grandmother) Ta Ta = Ata / Dede =爷爷/ Grandfather / Bög baba = big father Ka Ga = Aga / Keke (~steerer /beak) 哥哥/ aga bög > ağabey = big brother Bir-ol-diger> Birader = (per-alter /pre-other > one other) =兄弟/ Brother Ba ba la =Baba-la /apa-la /abula > Abla = older sister ( ~with father) Ba ba chui = Bavoji > Bacı = younger sister ( ~loves father) Ba ba cha = Apa-ça /abuja > emijae > Emmi / Amca =舅舅/ paternal uncle (~fatherly) Tai U = Dayı = 叔叔/ maternal uncle ( nearest’s he ) Tai Thu =Taitsu> Teyze = maternal aunt / Dasy ( nearest’s that ) Çe Çe = Ece / Cece / 姐姐 / older sister Mi Mi = Ümmü / Mimi / 妹妹 / younger sister or young aunt Bi Bi = Bibi / Hala = 姑姑/ paternal aunt Pe Pe = Bebe / bebek =宝宝 / baby >>( sweetie > balak / bala ) Kayın ağacı = Beech tree >>>difficult pedigree = different family tree Kayın peder / Kayın baba / Kaynata = father-in-law /公公 Kayın valide / Kayın anne / Kaynana = mother-in-law /婆婆 Kayın / Kayınçı / Kayınço = brother in-law Baldız = sister-in-law /嫂子 ( honey- salt) wife's sister for men Görümce = sister-in-law (~observer) husband's sister for women Elti = Brother in-law's wife > just for women Gelin = bride / 新娘 (~newcomer) Yenge = Brother's wife (~came over marriage) Dünür= parents who are related to each other through their children's marriages (~ later relative) Güvey /Damat = groom /倌 / 马夫 Bacanak = sister-in-law's husband (each of the husbands of the sisters of your wife) just for men Enişte = sisters or aunts husbands
@Abeturk
@Abeturk 16 күн бұрын
Od >> hot Odun >> wooden >> wood Oğuz kağan> oğuzhan > owodhan >wuothan> wõden > Odin Tuz = Salt >> sodium chloride CRYSTAL TH > T / D TH > TS > S / Ş / Z Thuith >Tuits > Tiss / Diş = tooth (dental) Thuıth > Thuıts > Tuıss / Dış = out ( outer) Thuss > - Suz = (- Less) >>without it / free from it / has got rid of it Tış-yer-i > Dışarı / Dış taraf = outside Dışsal = external Dışı = out of… / de- / dis- Suz > sız/siz & suz/süz = without / -less Kanat = Wing /Kanatsız = Wingless Su= water > Su-suz = water-less / anhydrous Suç =crime > Suçsuz=innocent (freed from blame) Şeker= Sugar > Şekersiz= without sugar / sugar free Kitap= book / Kitapsız = without books / free from books Ücret = fee / ücret dışı =out of fee / ücretsiz =~free - exempt from fee Gereksiz = needless / İhtiyaç dışı- lüzumsuzca =unnecessary Kanunsuz/hukuksuz = unlawful / Kanun dışı = outside the law Hukuk-yasa =law > Yasal =legal / Yasadışı = illegal Görüş = sight / görüş dışı = out of sight Sadık -vefalı-vefakar= loyal / sadakatsiz-vefasız= disloyal Beğeni = like / beğeni dışı= dislike Bağlantı = connect / bağlantı dışı=disconnect Evirmek= to make it to turn around itself or transform into another shape over time İç = inside > ÇE Çe-evir-mek =(içe evirmek) = çevirmek = (turn-into) / encircle / convert / slew round Dış =outside > DE De-evirmek =(dışa evirmek) = devirmek =(turn-outer) / overturn / overthrow De-monte=démonté= dis-assembled (LIĞ-LUĞ) (aluk=has got) LI- Li-Lu-Lü ekleri sahiplik ve dahiliyet ekleridir... (Have)(~With) (Dış- Thuıss) Siz-Sız-Suz-Süz ekleri “İçermemek” , "sahip olmamak" , “ondan azade olmak” veya "mahrumiyet" anlamına gelen bu ekler, bir şeyin dahilinde olmayışı ifade eder. (Have no)( ~without) (...less) O benim sevgi-li-m = (~s/he has my love)= s/he is my lover İki çocuk-lu kadın= (which) the woman has two children > woman with two children Çocuksuz adam = (which) the man has no child > childless man Şekerli =(it has sugar) = with sugar Şekersiz= (it has no sugar) = without sugar = ~sugar free= şekerden azade Tuzlu =it has salt =salty Tuzsuz= it has no salt = without salt = saltless Gitmelisin (get-mek-liğ-sen)= you have to go Gitmen gerekli (get-meg-in gerek-liğ) = you have need to go Gitmen gerekir (get-meg-in gerek-e-er) = you (getta) need to go
@Abeturk
@Abeturk 16 күн бұрын
NATURAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS (akar-eser / eser-eger) (su AKAR- yel ESER) = water flows - wind blows EĞER / ISE = (EVEN / IF) (yel ESER- ekin EĞER)= the wind blows and bows the crops ISE / EĞER = (IF / EVER) EĞER / İSE and İSE / EĞER constructs are used to specify "conditions" and are often used interchangeably. ISE EĞER: means "If ever" and indicates a condition that is more likely to occur. "If ever you need any help, just let me know." (Yardıma ihtiyacın olursa eğer, sadece haberim olsun) or (Herhangi bir yardıma ihtiyaç duyarsan, bana haber vermen yeterli) “If I'm not tired, we can visit them in the evening.” = “Yorgun değilsem eğer, akşamleyin onları ziyaret edebiliriz” EĞER ISE: means "Even if" and indicates a condition that is less likely to occur. "Even if it rains tomorrow, I will go for a walk." (Yarın yürüyüşe çıkacağım, eğer yağmur yağıyor olsa da ) or (Yarın yağmur yağsa bile yürüyüşe çıkacağım.) “Why should i go to work, (even) if I'm not getting my salary” = (Eğer) maaşımı alamıyorsam, neden işe gideyim ki.
@andrein7160
@andrein7160 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. Great to see that other people are also interested in ancient languages and PIE!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
And thank you for the kind words!
@joalexsg9741
@joalexsg9741 4 ай бұрын
So true! Channels like this are precious jewels of knowledge themselves!❤🎉
@casualpact8154
@casualpact8154 8 ай бұрын
Keep the videos coming brother! 🍻
@mukhumor
@mukhumor 7 ай бұрын
Love your content man.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 7 ай бұрын
Much appreciated bro, the kind words keep me motivated!
@wojtekrynkowski2172
@wojtekrynkowski2172 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for a very good film and the simplicity of explaining.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@saberliberta
@saberliberta 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations!! Your presentation is great. I love the recommendation of books. Big hug from Brazil
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 2 ай бұрын
Thank you bro, I appreciate the support!
@LeafNye
@LeafNye Ай бұрын
Fascinating video!
@iwhu707
@iwhu707 2 ай бұрын
Ancient Linguistics is so underrated - it’s such a fascinating look into how ancient people lived, spoke, and thought
@maciekhibner04
@maciekhibner04 8 ай бұрын
Great vid mate!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
Cheers! Positive words are always motivating 💪
@ceohadenough894
@ceohadenough894 8 ай бұрын
Really great video
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
Cheers and thank you for the kind words!
@joalexsg9741
@joalexsg9741 4 ай бұрын
Such a wonderful video about proto-Indo-European makes this channel even more precious, thank you so much❤ I always give the due thumbs-up and share!🎉❤🎉❤
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so so much for your kind words! I might do a second version of this video because my editing skills have gotten a little better. PIE is a fascinating subject!
@joalexsg9741
@joalexsg9741 4 ай бұрын
@@LearnHittite Aw, thank YOU for such a kind feedback!😍😍Yes, Indo-European studies in general have always fascinated me too!
@krunomrki
@krunomrki 18 күн бұрын
very good compilation and informative on ancient languages is "The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the World's Ancient languages". I have 2004 edition ...
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 17 күн бұрын
It's excellent! I don't have the encyclopedia but do have the handbook series which derived from it. Great stuff
@auraledgereal
@auraledgereal 3 ай бұрын
Bro can you do a video about fascinating cognates across major Indo European languages. Please include extinct languages like Anatolian, Tocharian, Thracian etc. And also what about Wusun People? Do you know about their linguistic & cultural traits? Thankz
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 7 ай бұрын
I immediately recognised the Polish book at the beginning of the video. I got it as a present from a fellow student. It is quite outdated though. I really appreciate your book recommendations.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I keep it on my desk for nostalgia purposes. Is there a more up to date version of something similar in Polish language though? Recently I just recommend people to buy the Oxford introduction if they need something general on PIE.
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 7 ай бұрын
@@LearnHittite Not that I know of. Since I have studied comparative linguistics for over forty years I am not looking for such books, let alone in Polish. Nowadays I am more interested in solving the laryngeal problem. I don't have the answers but in my view unpronounceable reconstructions and laryngeals in almost every word cannot reflect a spoken language even though the reconstructors stress that the phonological representations of the laryngeals are unknown.
@pafauk361
@pafauk361 5 ай бұрын
@@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze that's one of the issues with any modern Polish book. The western world pretty much accepted laryngeals as a fact but Polish researchers barely even mention them in their publications - because of over-reliance on them to explain too much of the stuff so far unexplained and the impossibility of phonetic realisation. Maybe there is some good stuff to read out there, but people tend to study P.I.E. in English anyway.
@bitegoatie
@bitegoatie 4 ай бұрын
On the books, give me old-fashioned rules. Not learning the rules, in the modern manner, replicates modern English-language semiliteracy (at best - most of us have no clue how to speak, much less how to write English) in the study of ancient languages. Yes, a text needs to be engaging, but rules and facts are a blessing and provide a foundation when one attempts to learn languages.
@davidjames3787
@davidjames3787 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure that I read that it is speculated that the earliest form of PIE would have had only two genders, namely animate and inanimate. Inanimate would become the neuter gender whilst the animate would have split into masculine and feminine. In other words masculine and feminine genders were innovations. This would seem logical to me. However I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Yes you are right, I made a video about it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5yqdaiBqLiZmIE.htmlsi=igEU20aN1Ul7MTQ5
@mariiris1403
@mariiris1403 5 ай бұрын
But how come the Czech language still have the distinction between animate and inanimate nouns only in the masculine gender? They also have feminine and neuter, but they don't have this split. @@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
They do have this distinction yes, in fact most slavic languages do, and I believe at least in the case of Russian, the animacy/inanimacy distinction isn't limited to the masculine. In 'The Slavonic Languages' by Comrie and Corbett, 2002, they state that the distinction developed in proto-slavic from -o and -i-o, they call the different forms 'sub-genders'. One of the authors (Corbett, 1988, Gender in Slavonic...) did a deeper investigation, it's worth checking out that article if you're interested (it's free to access on jstor). I'm not sure if there are any other theories amongst other Slavic linguists though.
@mariiris1403
@mariiris1403 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, I will check it out! @@LearnHittite
@cerezabay
@cerezabay 26 күн бұрын
there's no link to The table in the description
@Ateesh6782
@Ateesh6782 4 ай бұрын
Never expected that linguistic terms like “dude” and “dudette” would be thrown around… ;) ❤️
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 4 ай бұрын
🤣
@qetoun
@qetoun 2 ай бұрын
dudos? dudas?
@nezperce2767
@nezperce2767 Ай бұрын
Any written monuments or signs of it?
@reeb3687
@reeb3687 8 ай бұрын
is the "wi" from tocharian an invented plural ending like the "-i" is in other indo european languages? such as dw + o -> w + i? also great video, learning about this is always very interesting even if i have already learned about some of it and the way you present it is much more engaging than reading an article.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
Tocharian A had two forms declined for gender 'wu' and 'we' so I presume a similar paradigm exisited in Tocharian B. Meaning that it was likely PIE 'dwoh3' plus extension for gender markers followed by dropping 'd'. Thats the idea presented in the Oxford intro to PIE by Mallory and Adams anyway. And thanks for your positive feedback! I was thinking of putting together a video on either proto-celtic or Tocharian - which would you like to see?
@reeb3687
@reeb3687 8 ай бұрын
@@LearnHittite I would definitely like to see a video on Tocharian. Thanks for the explanation!
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
@@reeb3687 👍
@tiagorodrigues3730
@tiagorodrigues3730 8 ай бұрын
For reference, Tocharian A was apparently called _ārśi_ while Tocharian B was called _kuśiññe;_ the _actual_ Tocharian language may have been an Iranian language which was used by the Kushan Empire and only recently (as recently as last October) was finally identified as being encoded in the so-called Unknown Script from that area (Bactria and Ferghana).
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 8 ай бұрын
You're 100% right on the endonyms, these terms (at least kuśiññe) are used in texts from their neighbours too so they seem legit. I had no idea about the other discovery though, but it seems exciting! www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-unknown-script-is-finally-deciphered/
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 4 ай бұрын
“Phology” ;) - typo in the chapter name.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 4 ай бұрын
I had a big typo in my recent Amazigh video that is haunting me. However, I believe the chapter names are auto-generated so I can't be blamed for that one!
@Annatar
@Annatar 27 күн бұрын
One thing I don't get: you said that the vowels in PIE were just E and O, but the accusative word for wool (h2wlh1nam) has an A. What's going on? Thanks
@sylvien2599
@sylvien2599 27 күн бұрын
This happens in some PIE reconstructions - same is with bʰardʰéh₂ (beard) - it is usually due to a few reasons like whoever did the reconstruction doesn't adhere to PIE only having two vowels (E,O) or because most linguists assume the 'a' in later dialects came from a laryngeal + vowel combination but in this case there is either no evidence for the type of laryngeal for whatever reason so they stick with the 'a' vowel and expect others to work it out. The presenter likely only wanted to work with published reconstructions. I've only ever seen the ACC for wool with an 'a' vowel. There are a few other reasons too.
@krunomrki
@krunomrki 18 күн бұрын
I like your presentation of the problematics ... Although, to be honest, I am a little bit sceptical about reconstruction of PIE language ... we all know that story about the sheep, horse and wool and how the language of the story was changed when they add to their consideration not only Latin, Greek and Sanskrit , but also Lithuanian and others... actually, reconstructed forms are not proved to exist in reality, it is only guessing ... so, it should be taken cum grano salis ... (my linguistic background :I have learned nine years German in school, and I still do remember some grammar, although I have serious lack of vocabulary and conversation practice in German; in high school I learned two years Latin; later at University I studied History and Polish language; I have never learned English in school nor I ever took any official lesson in English; I was watching tv (my ideal standard pronunciation of English is that of the character of Jean-Luc Picard (Patric Stewart) in series Star Trek, I saw all episodes of New Generation and of Voyager for 3 or 4 times, LOL ;) .. and I spent some time living in Canada... ) and start to read history books in English and later I have learn some grammar ... I also learned by myself some ancient Greek and also some modern, some mostly passive understanding of Spanish , Italian and very basics of Japanese ...staying at the level of Romaji with some hiragana .... my final thesis at history department was about origin of Etruscans, so I have done some research on ancient Etruscan language as well about ancient languages of Anatolia, and it seems that there is a "Sprachbund" based on shared phonology between IE Anatolian languages, Akkadian, nonIE Haatic and Etruscan and Lemnian, because Etruscan also didn't have voiced /b,d,g/ as well as Hittite and lacked vowel /o/ ) . Recently I have done analysis of the text of "Novilara stele" ... and my conclusion was: the language of Novilara stele or it is closely related to Greek and Latin or it is the forgery ... third possibility is less likely ..
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for your input. What is your theory on Etruscan? Do you see it as an Anatolian language like some linguists do?
@krunomrki
@krunomrki 15 күн бұрын
@@LearnHittite When it goes about Etruscans, it is important to know what ancient Greek writers wrote about them. The older generation of Greek writers, those who were living in Greek classical times (5th and 4th century BC) as Herodotus (cca. 484-425) or Hellanikos from Lezbos/Mythilene (d. 399) and Thukydides (cca. 460-403), wrote about the groups of non-Hellenic, pre-Greek (in terms of language) populations that went to Italy and made colonies there. Hellanikos from Lesbos (whose work exists today only fragmentary in quotations in other writers) who was contemporary of Herodotos and of Thukydides, wrote that groups of Pelasgians went to Italy. Herodotos has brought to us the story (I book , chapter 94) how in ancient times in land of Lydia (west of Asia Minor) there was great famine which took place for many years and then the king of the land, named Attys, made a decision by throwing the dice, that his son Tyrsenos will take one half of people and they will go out of country across the sea, in search for new land and new life. Tyrsenos and his people went down to the city of Smyrna (today Izmir in Türkiye) and they have build ships there. After some time they came to the Umbrians in Italy (Herodotos writes: Ombrikoi) and settled their. Herodotus also provides a timeline for these events in other chapter about Lydia, where he placed king Attys and his sons Lydos and Tyrsenos in time before the reign of dynasty of Heraklides (cca. 1200-700 BC), that is, in 13th century BC. Also, what is important to point out, Herodotos, being a great traveller himself (he was born in city-state Halikarnassos in Asia Minor, travelled Egypt and to Crimea, maybe to Babilonia, and ended as one of the co-founders of Athenian colony Thurii in south-east Italy) wrote that he has heard the story about foundation of colonies in Tyrrhenia (Etruria) from Lydians, and not from Etruscans. ... What is also important to point out is that from work of Herodotos we can find out that in his lifetime there were living in wider Aegean area peoples named Pelasgoi (Pelasgians); Herodotos writes that his conclusion is that they speak in barbarian (non-Hellenic) language, judging by the language of Pelasgians which lived in his time in a few cities in Propontis region (Abdera, etc.) . Also, Herodotos said that the inhabitants of island Lemnos in north Aegean, before the Athenian conquest in 505 BC by general Militiades , were Pelasgians. (Athenians conquered the island were Pelasgians had two cities: Myrina in west and Hephaisteia in east, and took some land from Pelasgians and settled there Athenian colonists.) So, we are very much sure that Pelasgians existed still side a side by Greeks in 5th century BC. .... Thoukydides (Engl. Thucydides), historian from Athens, and for short time naval general in war, who wrote about events of his own lifetime (Peloponnesian war, between Athens and Sparta, 431-404 BC) in one section of his work inform that in northern Aegean in large peninsula known as Khalkidike (it has three big sub-peninsula, like three "fingers" protrude into Aegean sea) there are many small cities in which mostly are living Pelasgians among whom the most numerous are Tyrrhenians. So, from this, both from Herodotus and Thucydides, it is clear that in 5th century BC in Aegean region were still living some non-Greek populations named by Greeks as Pelasgians (Pelasgoi) and that the Tyrrhenians were part of Pelasgians. Differently from Herodotus, Thucydides wrote that natives of Lemnos were Tyrrhenians (while Herodotus names them Pelasgians). Herodotus is using the form Tyrsenoi in Greek while in Athenian Attic Greek the form was: Tyrrhenoi ("y" in ancient Greek between consonants was pronounced similar as in German letter ü). So, we have non-Greek Tyrrhenians/Tyrsenians attested in 5th century BC in northern Aegean, and in the same time we have people named by Greeks in west-central Italy also "Tyrrhenoi"/Tyrsenoi/Tyrsanoi (in Doric dialect). Is this only an example of homonymia (names/words being formally the same but with different meaning?) Well, it seems that the discovery of stele in island Lemnos in 1880-ies and some other short fragments recently, written in a language similar in vocabulary and in grammar to the Etruscan, proved otherwise. Linguist Helmut Rix (+) wrote an article in Cambridge encyclopedia on Etruscan language, proposing Tyrsenian language family and proto-Tyrsenic as common ancestor for both Lemnian and Etruscan. Who knows, maybe in the future it will be some new discoveries from three fingered peninsula Khalkidike or from other locations. One of the problems with ancient stone inscriptions is that many pieces of stone, even with inscriptions, were later through centuries often re-used as building elements. and I have to mention here the later Greek writers as Strabo and Dionysius who were living during the 1st century BC, that is some 300 years after the classical period of Herodotus and Hellanikos and Thucydides. For Strabo, living in Roman times, it was difficult even to imagen that some people or group coming from the Greece does not speak in Greek. He was also repeating in his work what he has found in older writers about Pelasgians coming to Italy in many waves from Greece and Aegean, but he was convinced (as we can see from his work) that those groups were speaking some very archaic form of Greek, but still Greek. Strabo gives a funny story how Etruscan city in Roman times known as Caere [ read as: Kha-ee-rhe, or in later imperial Latin as: Khe-rhe], from what is derived later Italian name of modern town Cerveteri, some 25 km north-west of Rome (in meaning: Cere vetere, old Cere, pronounced Cerveteri as: Cher-ve-te-ri in English). Original Etruscan name of the city was written in Etrusco- Phoenician bilingual found in 1960-ies in site of Pyrgi (sea port of ancient Caere), as: Kisra. Linguist dealing with Etruscan and ancient Latin would expect that Etruscan form is: Kaisre, because of Latin Caere, and because of rothacism in old Latin language some time around 3rd century BC (name of the Roman merchant familiy in ancient time Papissius became : Papirius); rothacism did work here: Kisra: Caere, but from where is an /a/ in Latin form? It could be the consequence of sincopa in Etruscan language in the beginning of 5th century BC? However, Strabo wrote an "folk etymology" in meaning that the name of Etruscan city is connected to Greek word Khaire! (meaning a Hello!) , what is of course non sense. Other Greek writer of 1st century BC, Dionysius, born in Halikarnassos (as Herodotus 400 years earlier) and worked as teacher of Greek language and of rethorics in Rome in his work "Romaike arkhaiologia" (Roman Antiquities) wrote that Etrsucan language and customs are more closer to those of Pelasgians than to the Lydians. But his opinion on Etruscan origin was that Etruscans are natives/ autochtonous in Italy. Also, he mentioned some early Greek writers who mentioned that Tyrrhenians were travelling in oposite directions: from Italy to Aegean.
@krunomrki
@krunomrki 15 күн бұрын
@@LearnHittite Some Russian linguists proposed that Etruscan language is related to some languages of Caucasus. Important feature of Etruscan language is not only 4 vowels and the absence of voiced /b.d,g/ what connects Etruscan with the languages of Anatolia, but also it is suffixes based type of language, similar to Hurrian. Actually, I have found that number 3, in Etruscan "ci" [ki] has similarity with Hurrian number kiq , also three. Etruscans, by ancient Greeks called Tyrsenoi (Ionian form), Tyrrhenoi (Attic Greek), Tyrsanoi (Doric dialects) , were calling them selves as "Rasna" (after sincopa in 5th century BC), probably older form "Rasenna". There is possibility that Greek egzonym "Tyrsenoi" and "Tyrrhenoi" is some kind of calck or joined word, consisting of two words: tyr + rasenna = tyr: rhen-oi, where ancient Greek "tyr" [pronounced as: tür, with /ü/ sound like in German] comes from older or maybe foreign form "tur"; and this is confirmed in Latin forms: Etrusci and Tusci (from which English Tuscany and Italian Toscana is derived): E-trus-ci >* E-turs-ci ... Originally form probably was *Turs-ci, and because of rhotacism in Latin language in around of the 3rd century BC, Turs< Tus +ci ... In Greek language the general name for autocratic ruler was: tyrannos (English: tyrant)... Also, in Herodotus, in one place in Greece there was city named in Herodotus time "Tetrapolis" and Herodotus said that the former, older name of this city was "Hyttenia" ... this is interesting because number four (4) in Etruscan is: "huth" ... and as I wrote in my other answer, there was in Aegean region during the classical times (5th and 4th century BC) a non-Greek population named by Greeks as Pelasgians and Tyrrhenians (Tyrrhenians is same as Greek name for Etruscans in Italy). According to Thucydides, Tyrrhenians were part of wider Pelasgian nation and they were living in 5th century BC in northern Aegean island of Lemnos as well in parts of large peninsula of Khalkidike (with three fingers) in region where today city Thessaloniki is. According to Herodotus language of Pelasgians was non-Greek (he based his conclusion on the language of Pelasgoi which lived in his time in a few cities in Propontis: Kizikos, Plakia, Skilakos). And from the stele of island Lemnos, we know what was the language of Pelasgians/Tyrrhenians of Lemnos. I wrote more about this in other comment ... And as a conclusion: everything what we know from ancient Greek writers of 5th century BC about Pelasgians and Tyrrhenians in Aegean area, what we know about the language of stela of Lemnos and about Etruscan language, it seems that Etruscan is closely related with one of pre-Greek language or with group of languages which were spoken in Aegean islands and also in parts of continental Greece. As we can see from the testimony by Herodotus and Thucydides, as well from Lemnos stela, it survived till 5th century BC. Pelasgians before classical times were mentioned in Thessalia (Pelasgiotis), in Dodona in Epirus (mentioned by Hesiod) which is not so far from Thessalia, and in Odyssey are mentioned "divine Pelasgians" of Crete, next to Eteocretans. Herodotus' point of view was that Greeks (Hellenoi) of his time were made as a people by mixing with Pelasgians (especially the inhabitants on islands).
@lebowskiduderino89
@lebowskiduderino89 Ай бұрын
I speak a unique language after I have too much to drink.
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 5 ай бұрын
Πατηρ ληνος μητρι διδωσι. "Wool" switched gender to a neuter s-stem, which since late Classical time drops the s in other forms and merges vowels. This is not the word for wool in NT Greek (the Greek I'm familiar with); that is εριον, and there's a different word ληνος (acc. ληνον), which means "winepress".
@MG-vf8xm
@MG-vf8xm 8 ай бұрын
yeah yeah I luv the two headed eagle
@francisnopantses1108
@francisnopantses1108 2 ай бұрын
Could atta be a loan from Turkic instead? Aren't most lallworter "baba mama"? Babies say gugu gaga, if you've ever been around a baby. A word like atta is something a somewhat older child would use. And that would imply that it's not a nursery word but a term of endearment, perhaps a synonym, or a diminutive. A loan word wouldn't be unheard of. In the last millennium Mandarin speakers used Turkish loan words for mom and dad (die niang). Only more recently did the lallwort from another Chinese lect reenter Mandarin: baba mama. These are very old and Mandarin has very familiar sounding reflexes of them: fu mu.
@yashagarwal8741
@yashagarwal8741 5 ай бұрын
in sanskrit id say Pitā mātáray ūṛṇam dadāti proto indo aryan - pHtā́ maHtaray Hwŕ̥Hnām dádaHti.
@ricardo82shadow123
@ricardo82shadow123 Ай бұрын
The atta for father resembles the ata in Turkish... Maybe proto Indo European has a distant connection with Turkish and Mongolic...😮 At least maybe ancient borrowings
@Battlefiend
@Battlefiend 18 күн бұрын
"At" literally means father in Albanian.
@christopherellis2663
@christopherellis2663 4 ай бұрын
20:31 orange on brown is illegible
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 4 ай бұрын
I'll be re-making this video soon, my production skills have got a bit better!
@davidjames3787
@davidjames3787 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure I read somewhere that Proto Indo-European had only two genders, namely animate and inanimate and that masculine and feminine forms were a later innovation. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 6 ай бұрын
Early PIE had animate and inanimate genders. Luraghi and Matasovic are two linguists who have their own theories regarding what happened next. I'm more on the side of Luraghi but I'm open to being corrected. I made a video about PIE gender here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5yqdaiBqLiZmIE.htmlsi=igEU20aN1Ul7MTQ5
@davidjames3787
@davidjames3787 6 ай бұрын
@@LearnHittite Many thanks.
@qetoun
@qetoun 2 ай бұрын
Here's my PIE reconstruction of the word dude. *Hdtodos = 'to swell', 'to shine', 'to acquire', 'man', 'male thing',
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 2 ай бұрын
I love it.
@user-fl2ok7ms6u
@user-fl2ok7ms6u Ай бұрын
No. English has old words before Roman and French invasions even today. Dude is one of them because you have a pair in exact meaning in Serbian language, (Prizrensko-Timochki dialect) and its "duda", but, it is femininum. Second meaning is a "tit". Since tit (d->t) is called also "doika", it is obviousli from word "dati", wich means to give. Aha. Now, it is so simple - DV is always in meaning "where somethng is more", like number 2, dada (sister, nurse), dva (two), ti, vi (you, sing. then plural), i guess, in some way dada and dati (to give) belong there, ((who can be sure, this science is full of "it"), etc. You just cant ignore language with 11000000 word forms, and number is small only because investigation was stoped by politicians around 1960. I guess, it is forein demand, because, hey, we all know who are they who want to controll science. Hdtodos? Are you human or AI? How can you prononce word of 7 signs, and word of 7 letters? 7 sounds just cant be parent to word of 3 dud. Im not sure hwo was that smart guy who heard "e" at the end and wrote it down.
@qetoun
@qetoun Ай бұрын
@@user-fl2ok7ms6u Information overlaod son! My PIE version of dude was just a joke. But if its an old word then cool.
@user-fl2ok7ms6u
@user-fl2ok7ms6u Ай бұрын
@@qetoun PIE is a joke per se.
@ricardo82shadow123
@ricardo82shadow123 Ай бұрын
In that comparison table or lacks Armenian and Albany...😊
@abedinsutaj4441
@abedinsutaj4441 2 ай бұрын
Where is Albanian language?
@jimhellenic9643
@jimhellenic9643 5 ай бұрын
I’m still skeptical about language reconstruction and pronunciation. How do we even know that proto-indo-european was spoken at the Ukrainian steppes? There are no written records, so, who decided that that’s where it was spoken?
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
By combining linguistic, archaeological and genetic data we can come up with some theories. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Horse,_the_Wheel,_and_Language Others of course disagree and put the homeland somewhere south of the caucuses.
@lowersaxon
@lowersaxon 5 ай бұрын
Did I get this right? We know about the sounds of the Hittite language? We dont even know if the Romans were c or k speakers: circus or kirkus, Caesar ( from that russ. Tsar) or Kaesar ( from that germ. Kaiser)? Nobody knows exactly how ancient Greek was spoken. But Hittite? I think thats either a misunderstanding or fake news, sorry.
@LearnHittite
@LearnHittite 5 ай бұрын
Sorry, what point of the video are you referring to? I've spoken in other videos (the one on Anatolian and Tocharian) about the debates amongst linguists regarding the phonology of Hittite.
@talideon
@talideon 2 ай бұрын
We actually have a _very_ good idea of what Latin sounded like, and we know that the "Caesar" was pronounced with a /k/, not an /s/. This is because we have plenty of evidence from its descendents, plenty of evidence from inscriptions, writings, and most importantly of all, graffiti. While nothing can, of course, be nailed down 100%, we're very, very close to that. If it were physically possible, you could travel back in time two millennia and be able to speak Latin with only a slight accent from everything we know about it.
@oravlaful
@oravlaful 2 ай бұрын
Roman scholars have written that the C was always pronounced like K. So kirkus and kentum
@oravlaful
@oravlaful 2 ай бұрын
5:30 where does albanian fit?
@Opa-Leo
@Opa-Leo 10 күн бұрын
Proto-Indo-European is a theory never proven to be valid. It is a synthetic language (made-up) creted to fit a purpose. not exactly scientific methodology. Where are the letters, epigrams, literature. artefacts, etc. There are only 16-20 words that are common to all languages. Not exactly overwhelming.
@tombra7
@tombra7 8 ай бұрын
PIE didn`t exist .
@sylvien2599
@sylvien2599 8 ай бұрын
Care to explain?
@tiagorodrigues3730
@tiagorodrigues3730 8 ай бұрын
The cake is a lie!
@rocktapperrobin9372
@rocktapperrobin9372 5 ай бұрын
if it didn’t exist you have to invent it
@tombra7
@tombra7 5 ай бұрын
@@rocktapperrobin9372 that`s what they did.
@tiagorodrigues3730
@tiagorodrigues3730 5 ай бұрын
@@tombra7 I mean, you can say that a language *exactly* like what is written in any PIE grammar *probably* did not exist. But the fact that there is a language which developed into all the modern IE languages the way Latin evolved into the modern Romance languages is undeniable.
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