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That what i think at the first time i start rental business, analog look more cool because there so many stack of accesories around... But once your rental busineas are load... You will think about digital mixer... I love analog because i can touch anything... But digital mixer more reasonable for the business... Easy load, faster setup, easier money

Digital desks are so much nicer, and more compact.

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Good observation. Actually, no EQ needed. The top cabinet cabinets kept up as the crowd increased. Analog is still our choice for outdoor multi-band events.

The Cat box is a PDU (w/breakers) that provides the distribution of electrical power to "spider" boxes. The box functions very similar to a load-center.

Oh any thoughts on using passive vs. analog speakers? What speaker brand are you using in the video?

Be careful with digital... they are convienent, but they are not the answer to everything in audio. Analog consoles and digital consoles are tools; some tools are better for jobs than other tools. We use both analog and digital; it depends on the event.

Active speakers have improved a lot over the past 10 years. Using passive or active has advantages and dis-advantages. We use passive subs, but active mid/high for FOH. All our monitor speakers are passive.

I would recommend passive monitors, because you need less cables om stage (power). It looks nicer which is a priority. For PA, depending on the size of stage, active for smaller, passive for bigger. It really comes down to less cables and higher quality audio I think.

Those covers are actually 2ft x 4ft. runners. They are made of rubber and are easily put down/taped where needed. They can be bought at most any "home improvement" store. We have approximately 100' of runners. They are heavy, but are easy to store away - they don't take much room.

Good question. Many times, adding more subs can produce a heavily muddied sound (if the subs are not deployed correctly). The two subs we used worked great. Plenty of power and coverage. We leveraged the physics of audio to obtain desired results. Not all events may be the same or require the same type of setup... with that in mind, we utilized the physics of audio (ground coupling 1/2 space, and cabinet coupling ) to obtain excellent bass from the system. There was virtually no power-ally in this configuration, and the audience area was well covered with bass.

The tops (active - mid/high) are at 4,200 watts total. The subs (passive) are 7,000 watts total. There was plenty of headroom for this show.

Have never mixed on Yorkville cabinets. QSC is a great company and produces great products. Most of our amplification is QSC.

JFK qsc is trash. Not sure about their passive speakers, line array, and their new powered series, but their kW and K series are complete butt.

@@MultiEnoch123 they're better than most companies tho

agree, dude... i spent money on the duel12 k-sbs a while back and was dissappointed..... not good enough for a band... k-subs were a waste of hard earned honest money.... ( i finally saved n bought jbl srx800 series...... one 828 is same price as 2 k-subs but the k-subs r toys, not very loud.. or that great o tone either.... super crispy

Yes. Most lighting we use is DMX.

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stageleftaudio can you please help my channel and I use my dmx3.0 I will appreciate if you help my channel new sub

Monitor speakers are Yamaha CM12V (full-range passive). They are powered by QSC PLD amplifiers. Monitors were mixed from FOH; 6 x monitor channels.

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Are you saying 5 to 6ft apart or 56ft apart? The subs in the video are spaced to allow for better bass coupling around the 50hz to 60hz range. Subs that are separated around 30ft apart (and further) produce something called the "power-alley" (which is a lot of bass down the middle of the listening area) and causes a lot of bass frequency cancellations out front of each sub (which results in the audience not feeling nor hearing any bass). Clustering (having subs directly next to each other) works well for coverage, but does not perform well for bass coupling. The coupling of bass frequencies adds power, which results in louder bass frequencies. Most of the videos we have that show a full setup will have the bass cabinets in this configuration. The bass is solid and has great coverage. Placing subs on the far left and far right of a stage does not work well. Subs should be either clustered or setup in the manner shown in the video.

@@stageleftaudio Thanks so much for the response and taking time to explain! My understanding was that subs should either be less than a quarter-wavelength apart, or more than two wavelengths apart for their pass band (~40-100Hz, so less than 2.8ft or more than 56ft), which is why the configuration in this video confused me. I guess it makes sense though if you're looking to get a bump around a targeted frequency; I was just wondering if the caveat to that was a net loss in another frequency. Would you do the same thing at an indoor venue, or is this specific to an outdoor setup? Thanks!

Correct - keeping subs less than a 1/4 wave apart reduces the opportunity for frequency cancellations, though this is heavily dependent on the frequency. Have not heard of the two wavelength separation... though, from a physics perspective, if something were to occur at one wavelength, it could reasonably occur at two wavelengths (again, this would be dependent on the frequency). Having subs spaced apart with a lot of distance may reduce the power-alley a little, but there's still the issue with frequency cancellations (even at two wave lengths). Yes, depending on which bass frequency you are looking to "boost", spacing the subs apart at various distances will increase (or decrease) a range of frequencies. For indoor venues (depending on the size of the venue) we usually set the subs in the same configuration, though, we may set them closer together to help control the "energy" over the listening area. With the subs spaced closer together (around 1ft), there's more equal distribution of bass (energy) over the whole seating area, whereas, spaced further apart (as shown in the video), there's more bass (energy) "forward" in the seating areas than on the sides (which helps project bass further out). Some EQ (FOH EQ) may be needed to help control the low-frequency "wash" that sometimes is present in indoor halls (due to reflections from the walls and ceiling). Not matter what option(s) we elect to use for a setup, they all require some tuning... the location of the subs helps with the tuning.

@@stageleftaudio I appreciate you taking the time to explain. I'm still learning all this. So much goes on behind the scenes and there's a lot of (mis)information out there. Keep up the great work!

No muting was needed. The monitor level for this act was not very loud; as well, the gain for the vocal mics were set a little lower than "normal". The singers projected very well, which is why we could lower the gain without impacting quality.

I'm not sure what the make/model of the stage is.

Thanks for the comment. Nice to see you are on an M7CL. I mixed on one about 12 years ago (version 1 I believe) with a VRX rig. The console was cumbersome, but worked well. Looks like the version 3 consoles are a big upgrade from what I used. We still use analog for the larger shows, especially for outdoor.

For this particular event, the customer already secured a vendor for the stage. I don't recall the stage company or model of stage in the video. If you are interested in "affordable" portable stages to rent (or purchase) take a look at Stage Line - most of their stages are hydraulic.

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The monitors are 12" w/horn (passive cabinets). There's not much difference between a 15 and a 12, especially for monitor duty. Larger speakers do not always equate to more power or better sound quality. The 12" speakers weigh a little less than 15s. Using a 12" or 15" speaker can be a personal preference. The subs are actually facing the audience. The "holes" you see on the subs are recessed handles. Each sub has 2 x 18" speakers.

This event did not need the speakers to be flown. Ground stacking worked. We did this same event about 2 years later (we have a video of it on this channel); a lot more people were planned to attend. We did fly the speakers on this second event.

Correct.

One of the DSR 115 cabinets was originally going to be used as a FOH front fill (center of stage) for just the mid/high. However, the event organizers placed the crowd control fence back far enough that the line array cabinets actually covered the center of the crowd; therefore, the DSR cabinets were not used.

We bundle all the wires together that are going in the same direction. Also, any wires we can hide under the stage (i.e. the subs), that's where we put them.

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Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately, we cannot reference service rates in forums. Each event is different and requires a comprehensive assessment as part of the quoting process.

There can be a lot involved with it; it all depends on the speakers, type of crossover, type of EQ. There is a video about crossovers on our channel. I recommend starting there to get a basic understanding of what is involved. Basically, the output from your console will connect into the crossover. From the crossover, the "low" output will connect to your low amp, and the mid/high output will connect to your mid/high amplifier (assuming a 2-way system setup). The EQ could be connected in a few different locations of the signal chain... it all depends on what you are needing to achieve with the EQ.

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I saw your other posts. Thank you for providing the links. We considered both those items, but opted not utilize either. The cord covers are great, however, their height (at least for the ones we needed) would have become a trip hazard; which is why we still lay the snake/power on the ground. The organizers brought in the stage. I'm not sure of the brand or model of stage... it is an all manual stage which does require at least 2 people to set it up. If you are looking for a stage, look at the Stageline company. The most common stage we setup on is a Stageline SL-100 - it is the most widely used portable stage.

RCF for FOH, Yamaha CM series for monitors, JBL SRX700 series for subs.

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The SRX line (SRX-728S in this video) have been a standard with portable (and fixed) sound systems for years. Each of these SRX cabinets is rated at 3,200 watts RMS. It's very odd you would have had a negative experience with these cabinets. What usually leads to questionable experiences with sub-cabinets is related to incorrect cabinet deployments (location and spacing), not enough power, mis-aligned crossover settings (as well as filtering), and incomplete/incorrect EQ console settings for channels that produce bass. There is a lot of physics involved with audio frequencies; if the physics are not managed, the results are usually negative. It would be interesting to know the model numbers of the Yorkville (which are good cabinets) and Peavey subs you have mentioned. It would be good to do a comparison between them and post the results.

stageleftaudio the yorkville élite ls808, don't remember the peavey model and i used the srx in diferents xovers (31hz-120hz or 148hz) the yorkville also use from 31 to 100 in closed and small places and 31 to 150hz in open stages. Using rmx5050 or inuke6000 amps, and i got always more power efficiency from other subwoofers than srx specialy from yorkville elite ls808 I have heared the horn loaded pipe cerwing vega and are also so efficient well the sound is strange for mixing some times, but so power, also heared the ls1208 yorrkville and have less sub tone change etc etc

The ls808 is a decent cabinet. It shows to have a good SPL (more than the SRX), however, its reported lowest frequency is 45hz. This may be ok for some bands/events, but may be limiting to larger events. The top end of your xover point for the srx (148hz) is a bit too high, the 120hz you show is closer to the high limit for those cabinets. We have found 90hz (using a L/R 4th order filter) to work well for many events for a top-end xover point (with a low end around 32hz using a BW 4th order filter). The RMX5050 is a good choice for the ls808 cabinet (in 2-chnl mode), but would not work for the SRX728 (unless in bridge mode, but then power limiting would need to be employed). Pertaining to power, you may be able to get a few more watts out of your amps by setting the low end on your xover up to around 40hz from the 31hz you referenced (for the ls808). The ls808 may be able to produce 31hz, but it would be so quite, it would not add much to the overall level; though, your amplifier is using cycles to produce 31hz, but it will not be heard. Not all subs sound the same, and each requires tuning for how they are used, the type of music, and how they are deployed. Thank you for providing model numbers of the amplifiers and speakers.

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Agreed,

He said that he didn't because of the slope of the parking lot

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He explained exactly why he didn't in the video

If the input is in the red, the signal is being driven too hard from the output of the console. Turn the console main output down. This should also fix the output being over driven.

@@stageleftaudio so if I and another set of top that should help a lot

If you are needing the system to be louder, more speakers could help. If you find that you are running your system with a lot of red flashing lights, this is usually an indication the sound system is not loud enough for the event. Adding more speakers could help, but also using louder speakers could help.

Good question. Analog is generally better for multi-band outdoor events. For the event in this video, I think there were 6 bands performing... which means there were a lot of console changes needed to support the different ways the performers play. With analog, there's no LCD screen (which is very hard to view when it is bright outside). Analog consoles are a lot easier to see in bright light than digital. Making adjustments to an analog console (and outboard gear) is much more efficient than a digital console... basically, there's no buttons to push (like on digital) to access a channel. With analog, we can assess the entire console (all inputs/outputs) and outboard gear in about 8 seconds. It would take awhile to do that with a digital console. We greatly enjoy digital, but for some events, analog is usually a better tool. Our decision on using analog vs. digital usually has to do with how many bands are performing at the event. We will most always use analog if more than three (3) bands are performing.

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Analog will still be around no worry keep on going.

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High-pass around 35hz. Low-pass between 100 and 120hz.

@@stageleftaudio You mean sub crossover between 100-120 Hz. If you used a high pass filter (which a 24 dB per octave crossover essentially is), then your High pass frequency is between 100-120 Hz. Low pass is around 35 KHz (but why low pass that high since human ears can only hear up to 20 KHz). For live or studio audio, anything above 18KHz is just sizzle which you can get away with on an analog rig like yours. Try low passing on your house EQ around 18-20 KHz. Leave your crossover wide open. Check out my channel- MTL18. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed the video.

@@mtl18 I don't think that's what he means

He's prolly saying everything below 35hz is rolled off while the x-over frequency is set between 100 and 120

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Yes, we did in the beginning. Though, with the number of acts and input changes (along with the many different positions on stage) between each act, maintaining an "orderly" cable run become an issue. There was only a few minutes (about 5) between each act, therefore, there was just enough time to get one band off and the other on.

What is your question?

It's listed in the description.

Thank you so much 🙂

We use a Presonus for smaller events. Larger events, we use all analog.

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Much of the outboard is DBX. It's pretty good (and affordable) gear.

We have some K&M stands in our inventory. They do well.

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Mics are the EW300 G3 series (835)

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We use analog for a lot of shows, and digital for others.

@@stageleftaudio analog mixer maintenence ..very low cost... analog sound more lagend.. i like analog console over digital

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The arrays were not flown for this event due to the stage not being ready in time. We choose to use analog for larger events; we do use a Presonus for smaller channel count events. Unfortunately, the "affordable" line of digital boards (from what you referenced) would actually present logistics issues for most of the events we do. Digital boards (just like analog) are tools and have their place, but digital boards are not the answer to all events.

It should be the other way round mate, you are trying to do way too many things at once. I would imagine that there would be some very tight changeovers? With a digital desk not a problem, with an analogue desk, it is a lot more difficult in my eyes. If i were you, i would sell all of those amps that you just don't need (because they are never on and if they were they would suck so much power it unnesserly) in the rack and spend some money on a digital desk. Trust me mate, is would be a lot easier. King Regards Josh Hodges Sound Engineer/System Tech

Analog desk would only be better if it was a high end analog console. With what they are using might as well have an x32.

Who said he had to? Just enjoy what he has taken the time to come up with.

I said that to say, so many people who’ve commented, have questions.