I am sorry for your loss. Be assured that the children of believers even if they have died within the womb before baptism or confirmation are safe with the Lord. If we put our confidence in a baptism or confirmation of a baby, realise it undermines and discourages those who have had miscarriages. Let your confidence be in the right place.

Christtoday that’s actually not the view of the Church. One of the reasons abortion has always been (until Francis) a sin reserved to the Holy See is because it deprives a child from the Beatific vision.

​@@christtoday9136And the children of unbelievers...? Perhaps it was unintentional, but you make it sound as though our hope for our children's salvation is in the strength of our faith as parents. Catholics believe that innocent children who die before reaching the age of reason (and sin) receive eternal happiness. We also believe that baptism imparts grace and removes the stain of original sin from souls. This cannot be a bad thing, even for the youngest of children. Catholics also believe in baptism of desire, and baptism by blood (martyrdom), as well as baptism by water. In this way, the Lord secures the possibility of baptism in the majority of cases - including miscarriages.

​@@jaimemorgan5323 Scripture is less clear about the children of unbelievers, though many believe that all children up to what age/ culpability ?? will go to heaven if they die young. In this case, a child of a Muslim, could be understood to die and go to heaven as there would be no desire of baptism etc in that circumstance. The Lord is kind and maybe will deal with all children this way BUT my purpose was to articulate Scripture's assurance for children of believers as found when David lost his firstborn son.

For clarity, it is not about the strength of a parent's faith but about the presence of a parent's faith. Even a little genuine faith unites us to Christ.

What are you saying? What does talking with angels have to do with the topic? I'm not sure we even know. "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

@@huntsman528 Hi, huntsman. When you ask the question what talking to angels who appear in bodily form on earth has to do with the topic of the video, which is how we know that the Saints in heaven hear our prayers, I understand you to be drawing a distinction in kind between talking to angels and talking to Saints. The obvious alternative possibility is that you are talking about angels who appear on earth in bodily form. This alternative possibility I take to be trivial and easily dismissed as nothing more than a convenient phantasm adopted simply for the sake of facilitating conversation. This leaves the distinction in kind between angels in heaven and saints in heaven. I say angels in heaven because they never leave heaven, continually beholding the face of Christ's Father in heaven. It is certainly true that there is a fundamental difference in kind between the angels, whose nature is to be a subsistent form, and the souls of just men made perfect, whose nature is to be the principle of unity and operation of each their own bodies. The relevant and significant consideration here however is not their nature but their condition. Both are pure in their consecration to and union with God, and therefore are fully competent to know, enjoy, and do whatever might correspond to God's will for them. So true is this that throughout the Old Testament, when heaven was shut against man, who was relegated in the case of just men to the limbo of the Fathers, that we find heaven populated nonetheless with saints, who in this case are the good angels. These are the same angels who speak with man and present our prayers to the Father. So God does not make a distinction between the saints who are angels who speak with men and present their prayers to God and the souls of just men made perfect who with the redemption in Christ are likewise ushered into full, direct, and immediate communion with God in heaven. So we see Scripture using the same word Saints to refer to angels in the Old Testament and to refer also to the souls of just men made perfect in the New Testament. Accordingly, there is no basis to suppose that prayer to the souls of just men made perfect is any of forbidden, meaningless, unscriptural, or ineffective. Instead, as with everything else God does, it finds its place in the rich torrent of God's gifts flowing to us through and in Christ.

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It's a baseless comment. Other Christian will make a case referring to the bible. Atheists don't even believe in the bible.

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Catholics sometimes become atheists too. It's certainly not confined to protestantism. I would rather see Christians go from one side to the other, rather than become atheists though.

Glory to Him, Forever!

I've never even heard the language barrier argument, from anyone ever. We'll have a perfect from of communication there, ,some say it doesn't even involve language as we know it here.

That's where my mind went too.

Si that means they can speak with the dead? You better read what scripture says about necromancy.

@@rbnmnt3341We are biblically prohibited from CONJURING the dead, not from praying for the intercession of the souls in Heaven and Purgatory who have gone before us-and who are, therefore, closer to God than we are.

@@jmj5388 oh that mythical purgatory. No other Comment.

@MouseCheese2019 what is he saying in that verse?

Paul is trusting that God will hear Philemon's prayer and deliver him safely to Philemon's guest room.

Praying to heavely saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

@@calebjushua9252wow! Just wow! Like trying to talk to a rock.

@@beorbeorian150 🕵️ Kindly put some sauce in your comment. Make it a little bit intellectual.

Isnt angel of the lord supposed to be Jesus?

​@@Kartal-tp8qq yes, but Abraham didn't know that. The fact that he heard the voice from heaven, (maybe) knew it as "the angel of the Lord" and still did what it told him says something about OT beliefs about prayer with saints and angels. I wouldn't say it's a knockout example that proves we can/should pray to angels and saints, but it's another one we can put in the quiver. I think the weak points here are: 1) The Angel of the Lord is technically God, 2) Abraham doesn't actually speak back through prayer, just does what the voice says and 3) The voice may have been audible, is it prayer if the voice is audible?

​​@@Jfloyd When angels "speak" in Scripture it's rarely audible. It's a common misconception. Paul wasn't transcribing a literal voice in his head from the Holy Spirit. When Isaiah spoke what God told him, it wasn't as if God spoke into his ear as a human would. There are exceptions to this, as many times Angels do come in the form of man, but it isn't the norm. The voice of God is subtle yet overwhelming. Give me a minute to find a passage that tries to describe this feeling.

​​@@Jfloyd There's a lot I wish to quote but the matter of the Voice of God all gets compared to either great Thunder (often causing great fear) or _sheer silence._ When it happens in the Old Testament most can't help but to cover themselves, kneel, and in one instance take off their sandals in fear of soiling that "holy" soil where it happens. There's a lot of this in Exodus and Genesis, and in the NT you have the Transfiguration which got quite the reaction as well. But I'll quote a few and you find the rest. 1 Samuel 7:10 the Voice of God sends the Phillistines running 2 Samuel 22:10 "The Lord thundered from heaven; the Most High uttered his voice." And my favorite, with Elijah, in 1 Kings 19. Note that Elijah hears thunder, earthquakes, fires, but _God was not in it._ Only after that "whisper" or sheer silence does he cover himself. Here it is: He said, “Go out and stand on the mountain before the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by.” Now there was a great wind, so strong that it was splitting mountains and breaking rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; 12 and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of sheer silence. 13 When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave. Then there came a voice to him that said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

​@@calebjushua9252oh but the early Christians prayed to the saints

@@andreeattieh2963 🕵️Wrong. They did not pray to the saints. They prayed for the saints (physically alive and not physically dead saints).

@@calebjushua9252 they asked the dead saints to pray for them The paintings on the cavern walls in which the early Christians hid from the Roman empire have images of Mary purgatory saints etc

@@calebjushua9252 the apostles never said to pray only to God they asked each other to pray for one another dead alive etc Maccabees 2 12 41 46 praying for the dead

@patriceagulu8315 His God sounds very living, vibrant and loving to me. His faith and prayers are based on biblical precepts, not newer traditions.

Surprised you are surprised. It has been what Christians do since Jesus walked till now. Also surprised that after an hour long video this is the comment you come up with. It is as if you have zero comprehension skills and can only copy and paste random Protestant comments attacking Christians.

God is not bound by constraints of time. Praying to the Saints does not mean that your prayer to God becomes less worthy. God has given a commandment to love him, but also to love our neighbours, as fellow creations of God. Any prayer to a saint therefore is a prayer to God, a Thanksgiving to God for that saint and their example. Those saints also can help us grow in our faith, as they have done through their example. You are very blessed in your relation with God, and it can and will be a blessing to share that faith with brothers and sisters, whether on earth or in heaven. And by all means, never stop praying to God himself as well. The Holy Rosary features prayers not only to Mary, but importantly also to God, to confess our faith, to give him praise, and to confess our dependance on him.

@jeannebouwman1970 God is NOT bound by restraints of space or time. But we are. So again I ask, do you dare to spend your time in the Holy of Holies, in the direct Presence of the Living God? Or do you wait outside on the temple steps, asking one of the priests to intercede for you?

@@xrendezv0usx I think those do not exclude each other. A prayer to Mary is a prayer God will hear, and in case (highly unlikely) Mary doesn't hear He will hear the prayer, though misguided, is prayed in faith in Him, and He will answer. Spend time at the threshold of the Lord, but also talk with fellow believers in the court. We are in communion with each other as saints, in which we can help and guide each other, and most importantly pray for each other.

These are the same people that argue Marian visions are demonic apparitions also. It's way more about building themselves up by tearing us down

Protestants don’t understand the fact that during exorcisms if Mary is there present with the priest as he says the rite of exorcism, the demons fear her & the devil hates her.

I believe it’s not just Mary but anyone that is dead that they have a problem with praying too they see it as necromancy no matter what you say to the differ it’s just a lose lose battle

Hi, Anthony. The answer is a little bit involved. For Protestants the starting point is that Catholicism is all of wrong, damnable, and ensuring damnation. The question then is in the details, but everything that is not in the Protestant bible or taught in Protestant tradition is to be taken with suspicion and assumed to be both wrong and dangerous until it can be shown to be not only consistent with Scripture but supported by Scripture. Protestants don't have the refinement of thought and teaching to distinguish between latria and dulia, respectively the worship which is due to God alone and the worship of honour of the good and status to which God has raised creatures, so if there is worship, it is taken by Protestants to be either the true worship which is to be given to God alone, or idolatry (idol-latria, nothing or emptiness worship), worship which should be given to none other than God, but is instead given to something (or nothing, or a placeholder pointing so something which does not in fact exist) which is not God. Many Protestant bibles, sensitive to this thought in Protestants, translate worship when it is applied to creatures with some other word, such as honour or homage, but the word for worship which is given to God is also used with startling frequency and favourably as being given to creatures. This worship which is suitably given to creatures is called dulia, for which Protestants have no category. Beyond this, Protestants don't have valid orders, and so don't have true worship. What then gets taken to be worship for Protestants is verbal expressions of faith and devotion. If verbal expressions of faith and devotion are what constitutes worship, and worship is to be given to God alone, then any expression of faith and devotion which is directed to any being other than God is necessarily idolatry. Since it is demons which induce idolatry, any act of worship so defined is induced by demons. As you can see, Anthony, the entire chain of Protestant reasoning in this matter is one long chain of errors building on other errors, leading to an erroneous conclusion which breaks the fourth Commandment by which God calls on us to honour His and our mother. John, and his second generation disciple Ignatius of Antioch through Polycarp, warned well that rejection of the Eucharist corresponds with being subject to the influence of demons. We must pray and fast that so many good and devout Christians discover and receive the fullness of salvation.

One thing to contemplate as well is the Church Body that Christ was teaching of and which the apostles learned … is that those who are are part of the Body each live forever and have their own role. When you look at the Hail Mary … it’s an intercession prayer that is not self orientated but for a community. “Hail Mary full of grace, pray for US sinners now and at the hour of our death”. It’s not asking her to pray for Me, it’s Us. Same thing with the Lords Prayer, I and Me are not pronouns in the prayer. It’s US, OUR. Prayer is not supposed to be transactional, most of the prayers you will find in Catholic daily prayers are for helping others or for community, or to give reflection on the life of Christ and his mysteries.

God Bless! Any prayer requests?

Mary was bodily assumed into heaven, it's possible that has some bearing about her role in apparitions. Her role however is NOT to entrust the church with additional revelation that would count as "the Word of God", when she appears she shares the knowlege that God wills her to share, and in the most notable apparitions that message is generally one of repentance and increased devotion. For example Our Lady of Akita is an instance when Mary appeared to a japanese nun and her message was to "add the word *truly* in reference to a prayer about Jesus' presence in the Eucharist", she wasn't giving new teaching she was just helping us keep focused on already existing teachings that were particularily important in the time and place of her appearance.

Well I don't think anything anyone says can ever have the same level of authority that the gospel/bible has. Like I think that just impossible. But, you should know that all approved apparitions are just labeled "worthy of belief." So, basically that label says "there's nothing wrong with what was said and you can believe it if you want." So all approved apparitions are take it or leave it. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. It's like those little old ladies that say they get messages from Jesus or Mary and they wrote them down in a book. A Bishop might approve it. But all that approval says is "these messages don't contain anything contrary to what we know about God " and in a sense if you believe it it won't harm your soul. It's still a personal revelation that others can take or leave. Does that help at all?

Well, in most of the approved apparitions, Mary emphasizes the need for fasting, penance, prayer and making sacrifices for poor sinners. Does that sound demonic to you?

@@femaleKCRoyalsFanNo, it most certainly does not. And it is one reason why I do not reject it out right. Thanks for the helpful comment 😊

@@billie5057It does help, though I am still working through the implications of being a catholic and rejecting the approved apparitions

​​@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

@@calebjushua9252God is not a god of the dead. And prayers are always directed at Him even as we ask our friends, saints, guardian angels to pray for us. Were Elijah and Moses dead when they appeared with Jesus in mt Taber? They were alive and aware not asleep/dead.

@@Fiona2254 🧑‍⚖️ I did not say that the saints are spiritually dead in heaven. Of course, they are 100% alive. However, Jesus Christ never instructed us to communicate with them through prayers. 🧑‍⚖️ In fact, throughout the old and new testament, there's no account of someone praying to a heavenly saint. In the old testament, in order to communicate the dead, you must consult a witchcraft like what Saul did to reach out to Samuel. And this act is prohibited. Saul could have prayed to Samuel if praying to heavenly saints does really work.

St Francis of Assisi? Try Italian 😂 People are just goofy about this stuff, heaven isn’t Babel😂

@@calebjushua9252 We ARE biblically exhorted to pray for one another (James 5:16, Job 42:8, Colossians 1:9-12), and that includes “the great cloud of witnesses” (Hebrews 12:1) that surrounds us: the saints in Heaven and the Holy Souls in Purgatory. This “communion of saints” is rejected by Protestantism to varying degrees, but it is nevertheless the faith of the early Church, the Early Church Fathers and the Christian Church until the Reformation. We are biblically prohibited from CONJURING the spirits of the dead, but that is quite different from asking saints and Holy Souls to pray to God on our behalf; they are closer to Him than the living are, and their prayers are thus more efficacious. The intent of Christian prayer to angels, saints and Holy Souls is not to establish a dialogue or generate an apparition, although the Most High does permit such phenomena, on rare occasion and for specific reasons.

That isn't talking about Rachel herself. That is the descendants of Rachel.

@@huntsman528 "A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be comforted, because they are no more." It's clearly Rachel weeping about what happend to her descendants.

​​@@huntsman528😂 so much for twisting. Least you can say is it is metaphoric. No need to force in meanings that are not there

I think that's symbolic. Just like how John the Baptist is "Elijah," or the Messiah the "son of David," so on.

@@AmpwichFALSE. Sorry that’s just not true. You can’t prove it, nor is it proper interpretation. She actually wept.

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

@@calebjushua9252 Would it be valid if I asked you to pray for me?

@@eyefisher 🧑‍⚖️You can't pray to me to pray for you, like how you pray to Mary to pray for you. 🧑‍⚖️But you can ask me to pray for you. That's what it's supposed to be.

@@calebjushua9252 sure I can. I pray thee to pray for me. A prayer is simply a request or a petition. When we pray to God we worship Him and petition Him directly prayer has a different meaning. When we pray to fellow members of the body of Christ, we are simply asking them to pray for us and with us on our behalf. I've always taken issue with the words "pray to saints" because of the double meaning that "pray" has can be confusing. Which is why I normally say "petition the saints". Bottom line is whether we are alive on earth, or in our eternal reward in heaven, we are all part of the same body, the Body of Christ. And the hand should not say to the foot "I have no need of you."

@@eyefisher 🧑‍⚖️ Will you kneel with eyes closed and pray to me to pray for you? This is how you pray to me Mary, right?

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Good point. I guess that's why there are so many protestant churches. Total chaos.

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

@@calebjushua9252you’re just stubborn that’s all. Joe made a whole video explaining the opposite with great detail, and all you can say is “nah”. There’s no point of engaging with you lol

@@levrai944 🕵️ You must have known the difference between claim and truth. For a doctrinal claim to be true, it must have been taught by Jesus Christ himself and/or instructed to his apostles. Where is Joe's proof that Jesus commanded the apostles and/or disciples to pray to heavenly saints? 🧑‍⚖️ Throughout the Scriptures (both old and new testaments) you can never read a single account of someone praying to heavenly saints. Jesus himself never instructed his apostles to do such. THEREFORE, Catholic doctrine of praying to heavenly saints is a manmade tradition based on mere claims and not a teaching of Jesus Christ.

The bible specifically says do not quarrel about words.... And also , if you tell someone two times and they don't want to listen , they are heretic.... Just stand firm in your faith.Plant the seed and walk away.You don't have to convince them that is up to god and then.

Praying to heavely saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

I don't understand the example which the Catholics are giving about human intercession. They say if humans can intercede on earth then they can certainly intercede in heaven. One thing they forget is that no matter who intercedes for you on earth, in heaven Jesus will always be the only One True High Priest who will always intercede for all of us. So you giving out that example is silly. Also if I don't pray or ask the saints in heaven to intercede for me, will my prayers be unanswered? The only reason someone will want saints to intercede is that they don't have a close relationship with God. That's why they want to go that route

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs what's wrong in judging and didn't I ask you a simple question? Will my prayers be answered if I avoid the saints in heaven and direct my prayers to my Only High Priest Jesus Christ? Would you care to answer this? The only answer is yes and that's why I don't have to go through the saints. Plz reply so I can know what you believe in

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs @weaponofchoice-tc7qs you love to write thousands of words but you are dodging my question. You are giving me all the earthly examples.may be you don't understand a simple question.i will ask you again.. will my prayers be answered if I don't go through saints in heaven or Earth? This time plz answer. Sometimes it's okay to concede than to avoid

@@danielhunter1773 You write too much, jump to conclusions and your comments are full of straw men, red herrings and useless misrepresentations of the Communion of Saints because you doubt the Word of God. It’s your “ME” first then Jesus protestant dilemma. Try listening to the video again. You said, “if I don't pray or ask the saints in heaven to intercede for me, will my prayers be unanswered? The only reason someone will want saints to intercede is that they don't have a close relationship with God.” The simple answer to both is maybe yes, maybe no either way it’s up to God if he answers your prayers and No, that is a false insinuation.

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Hi, weapon. Yes, it is a great consolation that revelation includes the doctrine of impassibility, but I think that most people misunderstand it. It is not that there is no suffering in heaven because we are purged of our ability to experience emotion. Rather, there is no suffering in heaven because we finally see that the experiences which induce intense emotion are themselves being woven into the tremendous good tapestry of creation which reflects God's glory.

It’s as if thinking we can love outside God. We love through God. There’s no loving anyone without God. God is Love. We can’t love family, friends, country, saints and angels outside God. God doesn’t get jealous because we love our mother or our husband or our children. We don’t take away from loving Him when we love others. We can’t love them without Him. It’s nonsense. We can’t even love our mother or our father or anyone more than He Loves them. Just like no one can love us more than He does. When we love anyone on earth or in purgatory or in heaven, we are connecting and participating in our small earthly capacity with His Love. As long as we can love, God is with us. That communion of love is eternal in All of us, doesn’t stop in heaven. It only increases. Of course heaven can hear our prayers and feel our love, that’s our language.

I agree regarding confusion about prayer. In this video and in other sources I have consulted, the terms "praying" and "talking" are used synonymously, but I don't think they are synonyms. When Paul and others go to or write to fellow Christians for intercessory prayer, this is not the same as praying to departed saints. Having a conversation with someone, including in a vision or dream and with another human or spiritual being is not the same as engaging in prayer. Talking/conversing and praying are nothing alike. I have not been able to find a single example in the Bible where a believer either before or after Christ's resurrection prays to departed saints. And again, by "prays" I don't mean "talk."

That's a super good point!! It's a kingdom of love shared in the one body of Christ, which all glorifies God the greater

I was thinking of that point too. God wants us praying for one another, to show love, to receive love and to exercise it. I don't believe in praying to departed saints, but I believe strongly in intercessory prayer. I am more confident when another prays for me than when i pray for myself. It also seems as if God shows answer to prayer more when I pray for other. I like the idea that departed saints may pray for us. there is something about the great cloud of witnesses the bible speaks of. I can't get comfortable w/ praying to any other than God though.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Maybe you would like Jeanne d'Arc to pray for you if she could and you are allowed to ask :) At worst God will intercept the prayers and throw them in the trash... ;)

​@@contemplatingchrist That is a false dichotomy about prayer you have introduced to back the protestant false doctrine of not praying to the saints. Mass is the only catholic prayer that can only be offered to God not to any saint. Mass is worship, it is adoration of the highest level in Catholicism. Any other type of prayer can indeed be directed to a saint. You have falsely limited the meaning of prayer to supplication (ask) which is false. Rather the popular culture use the word prayer to mean "ask" not historic Christians. Christians have always understood prayer to mean: Worship, thanksgiving, adoration, supplication etc.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Why do you go by St Jeanne D arc. Don't you think it is appropriate for you to let go of that name? Are you a lapsed catholic?

Heartily agreed. It is members of the body showing love and service to one another and it helps us grow in our faith and perseverence. I also find when I'm struggling to forgive, there is no better practice than to pray for that person. It immediately softens my heart, reminds me they are just as much a child of God, and reminds me I'm a sinner too (not that I need big reminding of that fact).

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Well said.

@@StringofPearls55 In which case,fellowship is deepened and increased when we share our prayers with brothers and sisters ON EARTH and not by praying to saints in heaven! James and Galatians encourage us to pray for saints on earth.

​@@christtoday9136 Do they say specifically "on earth"? And why wouldn't God allow the Saints on Heaven to hear our prayers? If you accept they are concious then they clearly do pray for us, since it is a saintly thing to pray for those in need. So if it is a established fact Saints in Heaven pray for us why would God not allow them to hear our prayers?

It does not follow that because the saints are conscious in heaven that they pray for people on earth.

Hi, Matthew. I'm glad to see you engaging with the material, and its inducing further thoughts. For all that there is value in the line of thought that you're pursuing, I'm afraid that in this matter your line of thought won't carry force to persuade people, because it misunderstands what Jesus was saying when he spoke of the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. In that passage, Jesus was indeed creating a staircase, with all Old Testament figures finding their place below John the Baptist ( not Presbyterian! ; ) ) and the least in the Kingdom being greater than John; but the least in the Kingdom is not ambiguous. Jesus has already identified Himself as the least in the Kingdom, having come to serve rather than be served, having humbled Himself to take the form of a slave, having nowhere to lay His head, having given Himself fully for God's glory and the good of Man. The point of Jesus' message here is that all of Heavenly life flows from, revolves around, and is directed to Him, so that He can gather it all, put it in its proper place and offer it, so perfected, to His Father.

I’ve come to accept that most Protestants are some of the most stubborn people ever, even staunch atheists can be objective and open the door to different ideas and possibilities sometimes. But not Protestants. No matter how theologically sound and well explained something is, they will not accept it, they rely on their own faulty interpretation of scripture and are usually guided by an anti Catholic bias. Usually fueled from some false teaching given to them by pastor Jim, or some conspiracy theory on KZfaq about the “whore of Babylon.” I understand that’s not all of them, there are some who want to have real discussions in good faith, but most aren’t like that. It takes a special grace from God to convert them or at least to help them understand Catholicism properly and correctly.

I have gotta so used to asking St. Anthony for assistance that most times I just say, “Tony, please lend me a hand!” 😂 works 9 times out of 10, with the 1 being me forgetting what I was looking for part way through.

Recently it was so amazing the response I had recently. I found the item I was looking for and prayed I would find it, then found two other items in about 10 minutes I kind of gave up on finding

It's like magic! which comes from the devil.

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

And why are you saying these are the prayers of saints already departed. Protestants understand this as the prayers of the saints on earth whose prayers ascend to heaven and are precious, hence pictured as collected in a golden bowl.

@@christtoday9136 1Thess.5:9 KJV ( Why I believe The church, the bride of Christ” ,and the prayers of the saints are around the throne of God, because the saints are not appointed to his wrath. Revelation 5 The saints are there in heaven.( vs 9) And has redeemed us by the blood of the lamb,this is the church that is caught up” ( raptured) to the throne of God. From all tongues,peoples and nations from earth. Revelation 6 Jesus opens the “ seals” ,God’s wrath, tribulation coming to the earth. Revelation 8 KJV and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the “prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” 4And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. These prayers are from the saints,and there cast to the earth, for judgement, hail.fire mingled with blood, a third part of the trees burn up Ect.. The apostle Paul teaches that all believers that are “ justified by Faith alone” They our redeemed by the blood of Jesus.Ephesians 1:7, Romans 3:25 The Catholic Church testifies that to become a saint an individual must be canonized by the C.C., After they died for there “good works,” Which contradicts the writings of Paul.

KJV Bible changed many Bible verses to suit Protestant beliefs and removed 7 books from the Bible it's not scripture

@@andreeattieh2963 🕵️Provide your evidence to prove your accusation. I'll wait.

the real prophet Samuel appears and tells Saul the truth, during the seance with the witch of Endor (1 Samuel 28:7-20). That was God’s will, because demons and false spirits would not tell the truth. Therefore, it was another instance of God desiring to break the artificial Protestant barrier between heaven and earth, by sending Saul to break through the nonsense of the seance.

Hi, melvin. How about this: It is God's will for Man to trust and obey God, so that the order and structure He created in nature operate according to its nature to serve the greater glory of God and Man's good. Nonetheless, there is an order and structure in nature, and man does have the ability to engage with it, even when the ways in which he engages with it is not according to God's will and therefore does not fully tend to God's glory and Man's good. Even in this diminished condition, however, it is God's will that they have the nature that they have and that man have the powers that he has, so God works with that to bring such good as it yet may, such as a refutation of the ad hoc doctrine of the separation of the living from those who have "fallen asleep". Samuel was at rest, so for this reason also sleep is an apt metaphor, but he was nonetheless aware in detail of developments on earth and able the hear, understand, and respond to Saul's concerns. This doesn't directly answer your question, melvin, but we can bridge that by recalling that demons are even willing to debase themselves to the point of responding to human invocations if they perceive that this effrontery will further debase men. The significance then would be not so much in the power of demons to provide for contact with the dead as the commitment of demons to induce men to give way to fear, desperation, thirst for power, distrust of God, disobedience to God, and openness to the operation of demons.

At least the orthodox have valid sacraments.

He really is the best one bc Lofton comes off a lil’ snarky.😂

They are against you being against them and those that say that their sacraments are invalid.

I was watching this while having dinner with my mom and she quickly glanced at the tv when she heard it 😂😂😂

I have nothing much against normal anime but it’s not anima, lol

Because that was the old covenant, we have a new covenant, and we worship on Sunday, because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. He was still in the tomb on Saturday

Hi, one. As Fan pointed out, Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest on Saturday, and it is certainly true that Sunday is the Lord's day in ways like no other: God (we can say by attribution the Father) began creation on the first day; God (we can say by attribution the Son) began the new creation on the day of His Resurrection; God (we can say by attribution the Holy Spirit) began the sanctification of the world on Pentecost. All of them were Sunday, and these are the works par excellence of God, and all the Persons of the Trinity expressed their choice. Now, as to the question of respecting the ten Commandments, there are two things to be said. The first is that it is the Church which has been given authority both to interpret and to decree, as well as to teach all men to obey whatever Christ has commanded them.The second is that there are two passages which record the contents of the ten Commandments, the first in Exodus 20 and the second in Deuteronomy 6. In Exodus 20 the third Commandment instructs to remember the Sabbath day. In Deuteronomy 6 the corresponding passage instructs to remember the Lord's Day. In this matter the Church leans more heavily on Deuteronomy 6 as normative for the Church, with our Lord having satisfied Exodus 20.

If you read the Bible out of all the 10 Commandments there is only one Jesus doesn’t reiterate - keeping the Sabbath. Jesus knew with the New a covenant new things would take place. Additionally in Acts and elsewhere we see that they met in Sundays to worship and break bread. Here are just a few scriptural references as to why we as Christians do *NOT* follow the Sabbath. • Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath. • Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; John 20:1, 19 - the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church. • Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship. • 1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. • Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.” • 2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. • Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday. • Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday. • Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ. • Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday. Whenever we see Christians meeting to worship the Lord, receive communion and/or to take up collections as Christians apart from the synagogue, it is either “daily” or, especially, it’s “on the first day of the week.” It is true that you often see St. Paul entering the synagogue on the Sabbath (Acts 13:14-44; 16:13; 18:4). However, in each instance his purpose was to proclaim the truth about Christ to the Jews. These are not specifically Christian gatherings. But notice what we find in Acts 2:46: “And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,” St. Paul and his companions attended the temple, but the “breaking bread” occurred in the house “churches” of Christians. The “breaking bread,” by the way, is a eucharistic phrase in St. Luke’s writings. For example, when St. Paul was in Troas in Acts 20:7, we read: “And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” (Luke 24:30-31 KJV) - Cleopas and an unnamed disciple’s “eyes were opened” and they recognised Jesus in the breaking of the bread. And according to (Luke 24:1, 13) this encounter just happened to be on the first day of the week. St. Paul never says, ‘On the Sabbath, when we gathered to break bread…” The ‘breaking of bread’ in Luke 24 and in Acts 20 occurs on the first day of the week. You’ll notice as well that though there were no church buildings in the first century, Christians had already designated homes for ‘church’ gatherings (1 Cor. 11:18-23). The “breaking of bread” was the focal point of the ‘church’ gathering, just as it is for Catholics today. And, again, this was done especially on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). Secondly the Bible tells us very clearly that Jesus rose again on Sunday (Matt 28:1; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1; John 20:1) His visits to the Apostles after His resurrection were on Sunday's (Matt. 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-18; Luke 24:1-25; John 20:1-18).

I've never used the argument mentioned in this video about praying to saints, but there is biblical mention of it: And no wonder, since Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 2 Cor. 11:14

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I thought of this one. Only that in its context refers to actual human men masquerading as good teachers of righteousness rather than actual demonic apparitions. I think Paul’s point is that, evil doesn’t always look evil. I also think it’s a reference to “the burning ones” or “shining ones”, which is what seraphim means, namely, that the devil was an angel of light and became darkness. Ie. ‘A 1/3 of the stars of heaven fell.’ As the verse stands alone, I don’t think we can conclude that demons can manifest as mother Mary or the saints or even Jesus. I think it simply is a reference to Satan being once a minister of righteousness, and yet falling from grace as did those brothers of Galatians Paul wrote to.

​@@LayRule "Speaking of Biblical authority to a Protestant, can we not pose this question? What biblical evidence do we have that a demon can create a false apparition?" Depending on what you are considering an apparition, we could consider the following: 1. The appearance of Samuel to the Witch and Endor. This is disputed whether or not Samuel was actually contacted, or a demon wearing his guise. 2. The tempting of Christ by the Devil, specifically when the Devil shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth and says they can be His if Jesus will only bow to him. 3. "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." - Matthew 24:24. The nature of the deceptions is not specified here, but "great signs and wonders" leaves a lot on the table. 4. You have already responded to the 2 Corinthians 11:14 mention above. 5. "The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed." - Revelation 13:15. Admittedly, Revelation is rife with allegory, so your mileage may vary with how this is interpreted and received, but some would contest that the False Prophet and later on the three frog-like spirits could do what you specify. "And one more question, if speaking unto spiritual brothers and sisters whom we are connected to via the Spirit is not permissible, why do they believe they have the authority to speak to the devil or demons in rebuke? When biblical evidence suggests the only ones that seem to have ever taken part in deliverance and speak to devils is our Lord and the apostles?" Not strictly speaking accurate, as the Apostles said they saw others casting out unclean spirits in Christ's name who were not affiliated with them directly, plus there are those groups such as the seventy that were commissioned by Christ to go out and do just that. Finally, there are Protestant exorcisms, though they don't get the press that Catholic ones do. Maybe they just make for worse movies.

@@LayRule You're definitely right that Paul's main point is that evil doesn't always look like evil. There are other scriptures to be taken as a whole w/ this one. First though, again it's true that it's in the context of false human teachers, but we can't ignore the wording of "Satan poses as an angel of light", so could pose as any human that we take to be divine and enlightened, or an angel. Then there's 1 John 4:1 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. John is also talking of false prophets, but warns us to test the spirits. It's definitive wording. By what spirit are these people speaking on behalf, by an evil spirit, the Holy Spirit, or a sanctified spirit, which would ultimately be the Holy Spirit? There is also 1 Peter 5:8 8Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I could just as easily appeal to the actual apparitions themselves where, for instance, Marian apparitions are tested as far as the actual message of the apparition is to continue to pray and seek Jesus Christ her son. The Church tests these, actual investigations are conducted in order to “test the spirits” so to speak. So we can at least say the Church has this biblical idea of investigatory analysis when I comes to miracles and apparitions. And not simply in-house authority but also appealing to less biased company. As far as these passages go, Catholic doctrine, which I would presume you oppose, has been built on similarly inconspicuous passages of scripture that seem to have been tested through time and have proved useful and profitable for the Christian. I can’t concede anything in scripture that would condemn saintly apparitions that would also condemn something as dogmatic and glorious as the incarnation, miraculous moments of divine revelation and conversion, and divine courage given by a Holy Spirit. I think often time, in skepticism of traditional Catholic AND orthodox moments of apparitional revelation and miraculous wonders, the Protestant has to be weary how he/she proceeds as not to condemn themselves. In response to “someone casting out devils in your name.” I’d wonder if this wasn’t a priest who Jesus also in proceeding chapters says “if I cast out devils by beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out.” Notice our Lord does not say ,” he doesn’t have that authority.” But he is able to cast them out. How so? Because priest had that authority from God. But we see in Acts, a shift in the authority, where now a priest seems to be helpless in the presence of a demon in an act of deliverance and is beaten, stark naked i might add. It’s a wonderful display of how Jewish priestly authority as been shifted to the new high priest and his priests for it says “Jesus I know and Paul I know but who are you?”

Praying to heavenly saints is a null prayer. It just can't be validated.

It's an odd practice. We are told it's no different than asking someone to pray for us. Yet it is prayer to departed saints, and the language gets really uncomfortable, esp. when the prayers are to Mary, as she is often given the attributes and praise due only to God.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 that’s the problem. May God be merciful with many Catholics, save them from this false teachers, who use the scriptures to deceive many.

​@@Mariano-hc4ykthe Catholic church made the Bible

@@andreeattieh2963 not true

When I first heard about people like Padre Pio that had stigmata, I was disgusted by it. I thought in my heart God would never allow people to make them suffer like Jesus, because on the cross His work was finished. There would be no necessity for anyone to suffer stigmata in my opinion and hence it wasn't necessary, it would be suffering in vain, which I deemed totally evil. Years passed and I took a look at few pictures that exist of Padre Pio showing his stigmata and having a smile on his face, instead of being terrified and miserable about it. Then these two bible passages came into my mind: 1 Pet 4:13: "But rejoice insofar as you are sharing Christ's sufferings, so that you may also be glad and shout for joy when his glory is revealed." 2 Cor 1:5-6: "For just as the sufferings of Christ are abundant for us, so also our consolation is abundant through Christ. If we are being afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation; if we are being consoled, it is for your consolation, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we are also suffering." People like Padre Pio were chosen to participate in the sufferings of Christ in a mystic way. Others died as martyrs through natural remedies. The point is that such sufferings are a witness of what Christ did for us, suffering in faith is a cheerful experience despite the pain it brings and it is also a proclamation to the world who Christ is and what He did for us and that he was worth the suffering. We all have to die to ourselves to be saved and some saints lived through that in a very literal way. Christ died for us to receive us and we have to die to ourselves, to receive Christ. This is the exchange of the cross. That doesn't mean each of us has to physically die by martyrdom or to live a harmful or miserable way to please God, quite the contrary is true; it is mostly spiritual in a way of self denial and resisting the world to be put above God for us. That's also the reason for fasting, to say no to something that's not sinful, but declare that God is more important for us than the pleasure of, let's say, good food. You should not feel miserable if you fast and unhappy about it, but rather sacrifice that what you can bear in joy and for the rest thank God that you have it and consume it with no guilt by comparing yourself to people that do more, because we are meant to be joyful in Christ. I know it's hard to understand how someone like St. Padre Pio or other saints, which sacrificed a lot of suffering for God, could bear it, but that is an example of holiness they showed us, which isn't something we can just apprehend, hence they are well known saints and we are not and they will be called greater in heaven. Rom 12:1: "I appeal to you therefore, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship." Oh, and surely Jesus wasn't pierced through the palm of His hands, which is where Padre Pio had his stigmata. But does that much accuracy really matter? The point was to show how someone can cheerfully suffer through God and love people abundantly and have strong faith despite all of it. Another example for such would be pope John Paul 2 who suffered horribly through his Parkinson disease and yet still actively tried to praise God and sing hymns to him even though his condition became that of resembling but a worm in a worldly sense. The worldly mind sees the gruesomeness and seeks to explain it away, because the wound should be on the wrist and not the palm, but the spiritual mind recognizes the faith those men of God had even in horrendous suffering and ultimately highlights the hope that is in Christ, which suffering and death cannot take away.

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Why do we need a good start on this? Not praying to departed saints means we pray to God all the more. It also means we pray for living saints more, and living saints surely need our intercession, but I don't see how glorified saints do, since they live in perfect peace and perfection w/ Almighty God. While we all struggle here on earth.

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Hi, jeanne. There are a couple of refinements needed with your reasoning in this matter. The first item has an underlying assumption which does not align well with either experience or psychology. The underlying assumption is that time and / or energy spent in petition for the patronage of the Saints in Heaven is time and / or energy not available to be spent in petition directly to God. In reality the human frame is designed and constructed to pass through various phases, so that all the dimensions of life are addressed, not fully or continuously or simultaneously, but in sequence and in rhythm. Quite apart from its interference with the fulfilment of other duties, a commitment to spend all one's time in prayer to God soon shows itself to be impossible of fulfilment. So at this point we already have at least two objections to your underlying assumption that prayer with saints competes with prayer with God: the need to turn aside from prayer to God in order to attend to other duties, and the impossibility of fulfilment of the objective if attempted literally. Happily, prayer to saints has a character different from prayer to God, so that they do not stand in competition with one another. The second item has an underlying confusion regarding the character of engagement with members of the Church. When we pray to Saints (including angels) we may be engaging in (familiar) conversation and we may be seeking their intercession from their position at once of purified love and wisdom and of closeness to and favour with God. In such context we have no thought of seeking anything on their behalf. This portion of the Church we refer to as the Church Triumphant, who now enjoy all good things possible for them to enjoy. The Church Militant continues in battle on earth, and ever stands in need of all supplies. Our prayers to members of the Church Triumphant seeks intercession on behalf of the provision of such need, whether for self, other, or mission. Beyond the Church Militant, there is a third portion of the Church: those who have died in God's love and friendship but without having yet been purified of such attachments, or manner of attachment, to lesser goods which hinder their perfect attachment to God. Such members of the redeemed are indeed assured of Heaven, but need to undergo a process of reconfiguring their attachments to have them align with perfect love of God which also and for that reason loves all things as God would have them love them. These members of the Church are in transition and are referred to as the Church Suffering, principally because their love desires to be one with God while they recognise that their as yet remaining disordered attachments make it not yet possible to be one with God as still lies before them. On their behalf also the Church Militant prays and seeks the intercession of the Saints in Heaven.