Pruning two needle pine bonsai for backbudding and energy balance

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Growing Bonsai by Jelle

Growing Bonsai by Jelle

Күн бұрын

How do you get a pine to backbud?
0:00 Introduction on the video why we prune pines
0:34 Use of a sacrifice branch on Pinus sylvestris waterii, a compact pine
1:06 Difference between Single flush, Double flush, two needle and five needle pines when it comes to pruning
2:14 Candle pruning Japanese Black Pine, Pinus Thunbergii
2:44 Reasons to prune Scots Pine bonsai: how to induce backbudding on Pine
4:55 Second reason for pruning pine: Energy Balance in the canopy
5:57 Examples of where to prune pine bonsai
8:00 A word of warning about following this advice
8:51 Future design steps of this tree and dead branch
10:14 Drop me a line!
10:25 Timing of pine pruning and aftercare

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@johnrb9397
@johnrb9397 Жыл бұрын
You explain so well Jelle. Many people I assume including myself struggle more with understanding pines. Thankyou.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hi John, thank you so much! To be honest: I have spent the last ~5 years really working on understanding pines.
@kroekerta
@kroekerta 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for addressing the Scots. I am in Kansas and have been field growing just under 500 for about 4 years from seedlings and they are very healthy. I have done some hard pruning with great luck and will be doing more small ramification the next two years. This video was very helpful for me.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 6 ай бұрын
So happy to hear it! Any videos of your 400 seedling experiment?
@gayefanner731
@gayefanner731 Жыл бұрын
Lovely clear, no frills or gimmicks explanation and demonstration Jelle, exactly what I signed up for, thanku. Unfortunately my yamadori Scots pine died, but I did have expert advice from experienced, trustworthy people, namely you and Magnus from Green Machine Sweden. God bless you 🙏✝️ ✌️🇺🇦🌻✌️
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Ohw.. Sorry to hear! Did you collect the pine yourself? Or was it collected by someone else? Glad this video was to your liking! Any topic that you think is missing from the channel?
@gayefanner731
@gayefanner731 Жыл бұрын
Yes, collected n killed all by myself!! I’ve only been bonsaiing 6 months so don’t even know d questions yet!!! ✌️
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@gayefanner731 Aaah.. A fresh hand! You are in france right? bit of a trip to drop by and spend some time working trees with you I am afraid!
@VoidloniXaarii
@VoidloniXaarii Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your amazing knowledge. You give such a strong rational vibe I'd bet you did programming at some time in life, and even if not that you'd be great at it
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Ай бұрын
hahahahahahaha, ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006SPIE.6421E..0GF/abstract
@VoidloniXaarii
@VoidloniXaarii Ай бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai woooow, I knew you were a djenius! Thanks a lot for all your plant videos!
@potreliefbonsaibatu5035
@potreliefbonsaibatu5035 Жыл бұрын
The explanation is very details,a little bit complicated for me who live in the tropics.but I enjoy it to increase my knowledge about plants. +. If there is a tree trunk that grows straight up ,just make it dead wood so that it looks like it was struck by lightning🌩🌩🌩😊
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Haha, it is surprising how many bonsa ihave been struck by lightning!
@gloriablanco7856
@gloriablanco7856 11 ай бұрын
Thank you 😊
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 11 ай бұрын
You're welcome 😊
@judgetoogood1033
@judgetoogood1033 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 8 ай бұрын
Any time!
@thuydao8945
@thuydao8945 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for providing rare and very precious information. 🙏
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 6 ай бұрын
Gladly!
@dalewilson4233
@dalewilson4233 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation of back budding on two needle pines !
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jeffhurst4744
@jeffhurst4744 Жыл бұрын
Well rounded and informative on trimming this pine species. Letting us know pro and con aspects, and showing drove it home for me.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@goodnewstreeserviceinc.4394
@goodnewstreeserviceinc.4394 Жыл бұрын
Excellent informational video. One of the best I found on this subject. Thank you.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you! A pleasure to hear! Do browse the channel, and perhaps you run into another video you like!
@dermo1981
@dermo1981 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying your videos Jelle. Keep em coming! 👍
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will do! (Buuut.. I am thinking about slowing down a little bit. 2 a week almost feels like work!
@matshagstrom9839
@matshagstrom9839 3 ай бұрын
A very good and needed video. I have a fair number of scots pines and many JBP. They are indeed very different. Scot pines can easily become leggy with long branches and little ramification. There are also many different species of Scots pines with grater number of characteristics within the same species. Based on the timing of the video I'm guessing you were doing this in conjunction with approximately the same time japanese black pine would have candle pruning. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on needle pulling as an adjuvant technique for inducing back budding for Scots Pines. Needle pulling seems much more applicable to JBP because they tend to keep the needles much longer. Scots pines also tend to back bud in areas on the tree that is inherently different than JBP. In the USA Scots pines are not nearly as common as bonsai. It may be different on the East Coast were they are grow wild though not native like in Europe. Scots pine seem to have more numbers of candles at node junctions. Any thoughts on how many candles to leave/pull. Some Scots pines will form seven or more candles leading to large unsightly nodes if not managed. I think European growers have much better insight to these trees. There is not enough information about Scots pine bonsai development available IMO. Thank you!!! Mats
@marcsbh
@marcsbh Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Scott pines !! your video is very helpfull !!!tanks a lot from France ;)
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. Glad to hear you liked it, thanks for letting me know!
@bonsaitis566
@bonsaitis566 7 ай бұрын
The same with mugo pines! Thank you for the video
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@JasperThz
@JasperThz 9 ай бұрын
Top video, bedankt
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 8 ай бұрын
Graag gedaan!
@BlueJayBonsai
@BlueJayBonsai Жыл бұрын
Excellent and informative video as always Jelle! 👍🐦💙
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hi Jay, thank you so much. This one has been a struggle putting together, because there is So Much one can touch upon!
@natrjack965
@natrjack965 Жыл бұрын
Great video and advice 👍..
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael!
@sbragaglia
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jelle! Finally I feel I understand why to do these operations on pines and how to do them! Another very clear video like the one on roots over rock. By the way, I’ve just made a roots over rock forest with 5 1-year-old Ulmus Parviflora cuttings following your instructions that turned out fantastic! Let’s see over the next year how it goes!
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Ohw, that is so cool! Will you put a video of your creation on your channel? Would love to see!
@sbragaglia
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai cheers! I’m editing ii! Hopefully I’ll finish it over the weekend!
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@sbragaglia Great! Looking forward to it!
@TeamFishweights
@TeamFishweights Жыл бұрын
Good info thanks! Got my first scots pine a year ago. Random nursery stock that had 11 branches in a whorl. Chopped the trunk down and left one side branch. It set buds like crazy! Keen to see what it does in a couple weeks as spring hits new zealand
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Ahw, lucky you. We are headed towards winter. You have summer coming up!
@nembangchandra25
@nembangchandra25 Жыл бұрын
Wow
@rizkyrijzalbonsai6990
@rizkyrijzalbonsai6990 Жыл бұрын
Mantap hadir nyimak👍👍👍
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
terima kasih dan selamat datang!
@andersnrregren9087
@andersnrregren9087 Жыл бұрын
I spend 15years on my pine bonsai but i am so bad at designing bonsai i just grow em compact and try to get shorter growth and nice roots and old bark
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Ohw.. That is such a shame. I guess you are a bit far from mid-Germany, else I would say.. Drop by and lets take a look together!
@brucejeffcott1104
@brucejeffcott1104 2 ай бұрын
You have excellent videos! Would this go with mugo to then?
@InParting
@InParting Жыл бұрын
Great content Jelle, I've love how consise but informative your videos are. When developing a scots pine what sort of fertilizer do you use? Just organic rapeseed pellets?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Most of my fertilizer is with Saidung & Fish-liquid
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Жыл бұрын
Absolutely perfect explanation and should encourage others to get into those pines at the garden centres! I thought I better warn you that I have nominated you for the $50 bonsai challenge in my video this afternoon (5pm). I wasn't sure if you had been challenged yet but I would be very interested to see what you can do at this time of the season! Cheers
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I hope so too. There is interesting material to be found everywhere. pm? Here 6 pm. Guess you are on the wrong side of the water ;)! Some people have indeed asked to join the challenge, and I succombed. My video is on youtube, I just need to find the right moment to premiere it. Not sure when is optimal! Probably next weekend, after I have watched mine once more and decided it is done.
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai I look forward to seeing what you achieved.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat haha, nothing spectecular I am afraid. Went to a regular nursery and got a landxcaping plant. Thing is.. bonsai are marathons, and not short sprints for me..
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai I agree totally - I just wish I could get off the starting line sometimes :)
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat I am not sure what you mean with that? You have started with bonsai have you not?
@silverbells3078
@silverbells3078 Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for wonderfull explaination of pruning pine. I need little guidance. I am in India where the temperature is more than 40 degree Celsius during May June and July. I have to black pine plants in growing phase. Could you please guide me when to decandle the plant? I am really confused.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Decandling pine is ver much a season-dependent thing. I am afraid it is hard to tell for me from europe, with a very diffeerent climate!
@nolimitcustomcreations9385
@nolimitcustomcreations9385 Ай бұрын
Does this technique work for 5 needle white pines too? I need to force some serious backbudding on my white pine
@Ramalito
@Ramalito Жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video again! Wann topfst du Sylvestris um, Im Frühjahr oder im Herbst?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Danke dir! Eher spatsommer / herbst; Habe aber auch mit erfolg im fruhling ungetopft
@UginUa
@UginUa 9 ай бұрын
Could you please explain the difference between buds and candles, and the way you treat those. I am still having hard time understanding if one evolves into another ? Thanks
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 8 ай бұрын
A bud starts growing in sprin, and extends. Then we refer to it as a candle!
@bobmccarlie382
@bobmccarlie382 Жыл бұрын
What date did you do this work? Would this technique work with Mugo pines? We’re you just decandling the current year’s candles like you would do for JBP, or we’re you cutting back into the previous year’s growth? Thank you for the intriguing video.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hi Bob, this work was all done just 2, 3 weeks ago. Early July. I could have waited a little longer maybe. I have one mugo, but I am just starting on the journey with that one. I would suspect so! With this scots I was cutting into old growth too where it was available. Hoever, as I did this work last year too, there was not a lot of old growth left.
@sbragaglia
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
By the way, in which category spruces belong to? Should I apply the same technique to it?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Spruces "aint no pines" my dear friend. :)
@sbragaglia
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai 😳😳😳
@bobbymalta73
@bobbymalta73 Жыл бұрын
Thks for sharing at what time of the year you can do this Work Please?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Mid-summer. So July for me.
@brucedeacon28
@brucedeacon28 Жыл бұрын
👍👌👌🙂🙂
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:D
@UginUa
@UginUa Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's very informative. But I wish you hadn't cut the sound that roughly in between shots :)
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hm. Odd. Does not seem so rough here.
@atomartin
@atomartin 6 ай бұрын
Sorry, i don't get WHEN (month?) have you done the pruning?
@ebenoid6643
@ebenoid6643 Ай бұрын
I have a mugo pine I picked up for $22 that had roots wrapped around the truck and it’s only 2” tall before it branches out. There’s a main apex with a purplish cone on it. I pruned it to get rid of whirls, and cut the tips out. Only 2 branches didn’t handle the pruning and my observation is (if you kill a branch on mugo it will brown and die quickly. Everything seems okay with the tree, but the trunk is probably 3” in diameter and super short! My question is: if your Scot’s pine backbuds, will a mugo backbud similarly? I read they do not and to leave needles where you want branches and they won’t backbud? Thanks
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Ай бұрын
I find mugo backbud much better than scots pone. But pruning it to 2 inches sould like overkill
@hanskleinjan
@hanskleinjan 10 ай бұрын
❤ hoeveel naalden laat u op de tak staan ? Na het inkorten van kaars?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 10 ай бұрын
Ik probeer bij uiteindelijk ontwerk 10-15 paar naalden te laten staan.
@adamlubach4473
@adamlubach4473 9 ай бұрын
Hi Does the same principle apply to Japanese white pine? Thank you
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 9 ай бұрын
I really do not have an answer. Japanese White pine are very weak in my region, and the ones that are not grafted struggle. I have not come across people that have grown these from seed here.
@adamlubach4473
@adamlubach4473 9 ай бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai ok thank you anyway for replying.👍
@emy1111
@emy1111 Жыл бұрын
there's lots of information about what to do with black pine because the Japanese have been developing them as bonsai for decades. eventually with experimenting like this we will know what to do with our pines.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Lets hope we learn faster than we kill them!
@theoschmitt3037
@theoschmitt3037 Жыл бұрын
Ich werde mich an meine Kiefer setzen und entsprechend verfahren.
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Habe deine Bilder gesehen Theo. SIeht ja gut aus! Bald drahten?
@CarolBastings
@CarolBastings 2 ай бұрын
hallo Jelle, Er zijn ook drienaalden dennen
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 2 ай бұрын
Hm.. Which species?
@paperhane
@paperhane Жыл бұрын
Greetings! I have a scots pine, who in fact is a lot like yours. It was collect 2 years ago, and has been sitting in a large fruit basket since then. At some point I am going to have to consider how I want to style it, but I have no clue where to begin. If I were to provice you with photos, is there any chance you could give me a few pointers? By the way, love your videos!
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hey Dennis, absolutely! Make sure your pictures are against a plain background (so the structure is clear) and taken "from pot level".I have a facebook page under the same name as this youtube channel, which is easier for sharing stuff?
@paperhane
@paperhane Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai I couldn't find your page, so I sent you a DM instead
@plattattoo1859
@plattattoo1859 9 ай бұрын
*Japanese White Pine - Pinus parviflora
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 9 ай бұрын
what about them?
@plattattoo1859
@plattattoo1859 9 ай бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai nothing really in the video you referred to them as P. Pentaphyla I was wondering if this is the same.
@gwenael28
@gwenael28 11 ай бұрын
Hoe gaat het nu met deze ?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 11 ай бұрын
Zeer goed. Volgend jaar gaat de sacrifice er vanaf denk ik, en wordt de boom helemaal opnieuw bedraad.
@dennismitchell1902
@dennismitchell1902 5 ай бұрын
Stone pine?
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai 5 ай бұрын
Scots!
@dennismitchell9523
@dennismitchell9523 4 ай бұрын
I mean advice for Stone Pine, please.
@natrjack965
@natrjack965 Жыл бұрын
I think I need a bit more experience before I do anything like that to my pines...
@GrowingBonsai
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Haha, what is the worst that could happen? Hm.. Come to think of it. You do not want to kill a pine! :)
@natrjack965
@natrjack965 Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai I have grown my pines from seed the oldest is 6 years old ..
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Жыл бұрын
@@natrjack965 If it helps at all - his advice is spot on and if your trees are healthy they will respond well. But they are your babies :)
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