Great Video! MY AD 1PA should arrive in a couple days, Aamir at Summit HiFi had the unit shipped with in a day of order!! HE ROCKS!! Since I sold the PS Audios, I have been listening with my Tonewinner AD 5180 5 ch amplifiers, using 1 ch on each. Less than 1/2 the power of the PS Audio, I was very surprised how great they sounded! Soundstage, imaging, and over all sound quality were equal too or if not better. This brand, Tone Winner, made in China, competes 100% with big and boutique brands world wide in my opinion. Made in China does NOT = crap!!!! There are few reviews on the AD 1PA, one does compare it to McIntosh, Mark Levinson, Pass Labs, ect in a lengthy post. I now think he is correct. Honestly I held off getting the AD1 PA, was unsure if it was worthy compared to what I have/had before. Barrett and I really put it through the "ringer". I am now a proud owner of a near 100lb "new best friend"!! That says it all. My special thanks to Barrett, who really cares, is knowledgeable, honest ,and above all, a stand up no BS person who calls it like it is!! 👍👍👍
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the kind words John, you are a stand up guy yourself. It was great to have you down to talk and focus on audio for several hours, I don't get the opportunity often. I was skeptical about that guys review comparing the AD-1PA to his previous McIntosh and other high end amps, but I am also starting to think he is just calling it like it is.
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
Hey, John. Did you receive your Tonewinner amp? How do you like it so far? Please let me know. Thank you.
@Johnnytrades101 Жыл бұрын
@@etherealvintage6665 Hi, yes I got it a few weeks ago. I love it! It made a big difference in my system. ( I have good gear) For the better. Instrument layering, separation, imaging, and the best soundstage I have ever heard. Highs and mids are, for me, extremely natural sounding. Bass is rock solid and accurate. It is BIG and HEAVY! runs warm in Class A. Bottom line is... if you are into high end...(10k and up) amps...weather it be McIntosh, ,Passlabs, Krell, Parasound ect, the AD-1PA will be right there with them all. No BS. Can't recommend it enough. Call Aamir!!
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
@@Johnnytrades101 Cool, man. Great to hear! It looks like an absolute beast. I've been auditioning hi-end amps for a few months now and this looks as well built as the Pass Labs, Bryston and Mcintosh stuff I've been looking at. May I ask what the rest of your current setup is with this amp? Thanks for replying.
@Johnnytrades101 Жыл бұрын
@@etherealvintage6665 Hi, I have a NAD M17v2 pre pro, 2 Tonewinner AD5180 5 ch amps, the AD-1PA, 2 PSA S1512 subs, Sonus Faber floor standing speakers. If you are close to Calgary, stop by and check it out!
@thebrowncinema Жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful amp! Can’t wait to see your next few videos of the towers and the bookshelves!
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother! Can't wait to see the videos you have coming on some new earthquake makers ;).
@michaelwright16022 ай бұрын
After a week with the ToneWinner AD-2PRO+ I am simply blown away. This is the same amp that is found in the AD-1PA in regards to the circuitry. I cannot get over what is coming out of my speakers, a pair of Maggie LRS+ and Zu DW6 Supremes. So cool that I can hook up both pairs and play either on the fly, or play all four, which sounds incredible, talk about soundstage. Another cool feature, you can go into a pure amp mode, turn off the integrated in the AD-2PRO+ and run your own DAC/Preamp. Very versatile piece of gear. This integrated amp simply does everything right, and I cannot believe I paid so little.
@bingdong8571 Жыл бұрын
If you've noticed, this is not the only brand to come out with this type of amp. I t appears to be the latest and greatest in amp design but well see if its the future.
@davidfromamerica1871 Жыл бұрын
This channel just happened to pop up on my YT feed and grabbed my attention. This is the best audio Review channel I have reviewed on KZfaq. Yes I review audio reviewers on KZfaq for many years. What is best about this reviewer. No “theatrical” nonsense like most other YT reviewer’s channels.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words my friend. I can't say that all of my videos are without theatrics, I do like to throw in some humor from time to time haha. But it means a lot to me that you enjoyed the video...cheers.
@phillipknox5010 Жыл бұрын
Great review - always appreciate the clear approach to reviewing that you do. It would have been great if you could have included a music sample of the A/B comparison of the Tonewinner to the PS Audio so we could also "hear" the differences you were explaining.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
That's a good idea, I will try and include that if I do another comparison. I would like to get a McIntosh amp to compare it too, but that is wishful thinking lol.
@danielenot2093 Жыл бұрын
After the unboxing (which was the final nudge I needed to decide to order it...) this video is even more interesting. Even if we listen to totally different types of music, your considerations about the sound really wetted my appetite!..my AD1 PA is due to hopefully arrive sometime this week ..can't wait!
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
That's awesome, I am glad the video helped! Where did you order it from?
@danielenot2093 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech luckily in my country (Italy) Tonewinner Is regularly imported by a very well known hifi store in Genoa, just like Summit does for North America, so I didn't have to go through the tropes of ordering from China, with shipping delays, custom fees etc etc
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@danielenot2093 It's great to hear that there are other countries bringing in Tonewinner. Out of curiosity if you don't mind me asking, was the price similar to the $2875 USD I referenced in this video? I am curious if other country prices are similar.
@danielenot2093 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech yes the price was pretty much the same, in Euros of course. Since I ordered, though, it's been considerably raised...still a very good deal compared to insane High End prices, but not as great as the deal I had gotten. Maybe the Tonewinner people are aware of the mounting hype and being the Chinese shrewd businessmen they raised the prices.... Or maybe it's just an effect of the exchange rate Eur vs Usd, which lately has gone badly (for us)
@danielenot2093 Жыл бұрын
Tantalizing news for those interested in this power amp (BTW, my ETA is next Mon). The most reputed (and I daresay most high-minded) Italian high end webzine (I don’t know if I can write the name here, let me know...) has published an extensive review of the AD-1PA. These guys only deal with the top stuff, and they usually ignore Chi-Fi. Basically the reviewer was shocked by the sheer construction quality and by what he’s heard.. in a nutshell : “It didn’t take long to realize that this Chinese plays in a different, top league”. According to them it compares on the same level, and in some respect even favorably, with power amps from names like Acoustic Research, Dan D’Agostino and Burmester. “This amp speaks the language of top High-end, and it does so with perfect propriety and fluency” (quote-on-quote translations are mine).
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
Great review. Thank you for doing this. More people need to be talking about this brand. May I ask what the most high-end speaker you've tried this with is? I suspect based on the specs, build quality and quality of components used, that this will compete with amplifiers in the 10-$15k range and that it won't be as apparent what it can really do unless it is paired with some high-end speakers. The speakers usually associated with amps at this price point are not good enough to take advantage of this amplifier. that is not to say that you don't have great speakers and that there are no affordable fantastic sounding speakers. There are. But speakers are probably the weakest link here as this appears to be a top-tier hifi amp. And by top-tier, I mean in sonics. Not price. There are certainly amplifiers that sell for $60k and 100k, etc. But I mean that this is probably competitive with amps in the 8k 12k 15k and perhaps 20k range. When considering the fact that dealers get 40% right off the top, it is easy to see how something like this built to such a high standard can compete. Thank you.
@sethpettman5491 Жыл бұрын
Dude this amp is sick!! What a cool unit, great functionality. Did you send thr Axioms back already? Curious if they sounded better with more juice or a different amp. Pretty pumped for the bookshelf shootout 💪
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
I haven't sent the Axioms back yet. I didn't have time to play with them more the last time I was home from work. I just had so much other stuff going on and Sonus Faber speakers to unbox etc lol. I want to spend more time with them the next time I am home.
@sethpettman5491 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech yea totally get it man, life can get pretty crazy at times. Hopefully you'll get some play time soon enough 🙂
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@sethpettman5491 I do want to make sure to give them a fair shake. I do hope/wish to get some PSB speakers one day as well.
@sethpettman5491 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech oh man that would be awesome. At the end of the day a lot boils down to personal taste. One thing I did notice when switching speakers in the past thougg was that my ears did take a minute to "adjust" if you will, anytime I got new speakers and played them back to back with the old ones. Only After I settled into the sound signature of the newer speakers did I feel I was able to go back and listen to the older ones and give a fair comparison because when I first switched the new ones sounded "off". Really "off" was just different if ya catch my drift. All that to be said I'm glad you're giving them a fair shot, there's not many reviews out there on them and I trust that you'll be honest which myself and the others appreciate 💯 👊
@michaelwright16023 ай бұрын
Are you still using this amp in your system? Giving this a serious look.
@madcrabber1113 Жыл бұрын
That seems too good to be true. Am curious to see how it performs over time. Hope it is as amazing over the long haul as it presents some crazy competition which only helps us as consumers.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
I have had several Tonewinner products in the past, and I have several friends that have had Tonewinner products long term and still love them. So far this amplifier has provided stellar performance over the past few months, and I have no reason to doubt it. It truly is a great value at it's price point. That being said, like everything else these days, I have would expect it's price to creep up in the coming years.
@mfkhometheater7742 Жыл бұрын
Impressive looking amp, it wins on cosmetics alone! It looks like it would cost $10K. It would be interesting to see measurement data on this thing. Class D is rapidly reaching the point of out performing even class A but it will never look as impressive. I'm trying to figure out what to use for a processor in my new theater and the Tonewinner is definitely something to look into. If this amplifier is a typical example of their build quality it should be a good choice. My Anthem AVM60 is dead and Anthem doesn't seem to be very interested in repairing it so I might have to try the Tonewinner next time I'm home. Btw I noticed the, "next time I'm home" in one of your comments, sounds like you travel for work too. I'm currently in Dresden, Germany but hopefully will be home in early/mid November.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching brother. I think Tonewinner is going to keep improving and keep growing in North America. They seem deadly serious about the North American market, and do offer some fantastic products here already, the AT300 and this amplifier being 2 of them. I do work out of town in the Canadian Oil patch, so it isn't anywhere cool like Germany haha. What are you doing in Dresden?
@mfkhometheater7742 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech I work on semiconductor manufacturing equipment... the machines that make all the microchips inside your smart phone, PC etc. Before Covid it was mostly Asia, lots of time in Taiwan but also Korea and others. Since Covid it's been mostly domestic and here in Dresden where I'm installing a rebuilt optical system in a lithography tool... the one that prints the images of the circuits onto the silicon wafers. The world travel can be fun but it really slows down progress on my theater since I rarely get more than a few days at home between trips. Also, I've been doing this travel gig since 1985 so it's starting to get old. One of these days I have to retire and enjoy my theater! It would be interesting to see measurements on the Tonewinner products. One thing I've learned over the years is that more expensive audio equipment isn't necessarily better. Some of these, "high-end" brands are not only no better than some mass market products but I think frequently maybe not as good. Just because Tonewinner is relatively inexpensive doesn't mean it would perform poorly when objectively compared to far more expensive products in measurement test. It might even perform better. Price is really never much of an indicator of quality in audio equipment... well other than you can usually assume that the ultra expensive, especially loudspeakers, are probably not very good.
@martinbailey3408 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech barrett i didnt realise you in the oil game! On the drilling scene? Do you work a roster? Im oil and gas offshore 😁
@maheeinfy13 Жыл бұрын
If you can, please review Schiit Freya and Vidar combo
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
I will try, thanks for the suggestion.
@brianmcnamara1431 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review. I want to buy this amp and compare it to my SPL S800 amp (class A/B). Similar power. Love my SPL amps but the dual binding post and A and/or B speaker switching is a cool feature that would be very useful.
@Johnnytrades101 Жыл бұрын
Brian, trust me, you can't go wrong! I have been trying to find a word that describes the sound signature of the AD 1PA Delicious?
@Novilicious Жыл бұрын
I was deciding between this tone winner and denafrips apollo. Same price, similar performance
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Have you come to a decision on them?
@Novilicious Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech have time till Christmas :)
@michaelwright16023 ай бұрын
I had the Denafrips Thallo for a bit, I did not care for it after getting her broke in. I sold it off, along with their Athena preamp and Venus II 12th DAC... Now, PS Audio Stellar Gaincell DAC/Pre and the old first gen Emotiva XPA2 and a little 10w el84 Cayin tube amp. Night and day over the Denafrips gear. The secret sauce is the PS Audio Gaincell.
@amanshaikh-zt2pr2 ай бұрын
Hi what signal /pre amp you are using for this ad 1pa amp Or wht would you suggest as you said in the video this sound great with right signal source / pre amp Please tell us what pre to use for this amp! 😊 Waiting for your reply.
@michaelwright1602Ай бұрын
I just purchased the matching ToneWinner AD-1PRE+ DAC/Preamp, my buddy bought one too. I pulled my PS Audio Stellar Gaincell DAC/Preamp out of the system. We did a shootout and the ToneWinner won hands down. I have another PS Audio DAC coming today, their DirectStream MK1, that was a $6000 DAC/Preamp when new, PS Audio is blowing out their remaining units at a ridiculous price to make room for their MKII units. I would highly recommend the ToneWinner AD-PRE1+, it is simply outstanding. The instrument separation is incredible, along with the soundstage. It is just right in regards to tonality and texture, it is very neutral and adds nothing to the sound, nor subtracts, the clarity is really really good. And there is no issue with brightness or any sterility to the sound. I am using a pair of Zu DW6 Supreme speakers and a pair of Magnepan LRS+ paired with the ToneWinner AD-2PRO+ integrated amp. I now wish I would have went with the AD-1PA+... Oh well, at least the internal amp topology is using the same boards, so I cannot image that much of a SQ difference. Still very happy!
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
Quick question. With two of these aD-1PA's do you hear a difference as opposed to one in stereo? Are you bi-amping? If so, that is a lot of power. Does it sound better to you bi-amping? Thank you very much.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Actually I am only using 1 to power the front left and right speakers, I use the second one to power my center speaker. 1 of these amps does a fantastic job powering my left and right speakers, there is no need to buy 2 for just the left and right speakers.
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech Thanks so much for replying again! Greatly appreciated. I believe the amplifier has plenty of power. I have Magnepan speakers which like to suck up a lot of power and current, so I thought this amp might be a good match. May I ask how much you paid for this amp? I have seen it for different prices on Ebay and Alibaba and the summit hifi site, etc. Anyway, Your channel is a pleasure to watch. You're doing an excellent job. Always pleasant. No negativity. Lots of info and cool gear. This is what hifi and home theater is about - having fun!
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@etherealvintage6665 Well I ordered mine from Summit Hifi, he has amazing customer service and I trust him. I will always choose to deal with a reputable company like Summit Hifi in case I ever run into problems. Samir’s profit margin on these is pretty low so there isn’t much room for discounts unfortunately. Let me know if you order one, I have not doubt if you do, you will not be disappointed.
@etherealvintage6665 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech No problem. Do you know the power going into 4ohms? Does this affect where it changes over to class a/b? Can it be set to just stay in class a? I think it would be worth doing another video to go into some of these details. I could not find this info on the summit hifi site. I will let you know if I order it. I'm guessing these are coming straight from China after the order is placed?
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@etherealvintage6665 It is 500 watts into 4ohms 1 channel driven, this information is on the Summithifi website ;). With both channels driven you are probably looking at 450+ watts per channel into 4ohms. I did answer the questions about the class A and auto modes in the video :). You can set it to auto, which switches between a and a/B automatically or you can switch to class A or class a/b manually and it will stay in the class you set it too…cheers.
@xray111xxx Жыл бұрын
This is a "Winner", uh....ToneWinner. The only thing I would like to know more what electrolytic capacitors are. Kind of a weakness on these Chinese amplifiers are them nickel and diming those. Otherwise, holy cow, everyone else is just plain over priced. I left high end audio for the are you out of your mind pricing. Hasn't gotten better. Tonewinner is at least giving a chance if I want to get back in, just maybe. This really reminds me of the off shoot of the Emotiva XPR family but much more advanced. I would buy this too for the $2800.00 asking price. I agree with you that a smaller model would be nice. Also would be a lower cost too. Probably is a model that is smaller. I have to look, but I am a fan of these guys and I don't even have a pure Tonewinner, but have owned many Emotiva Audio pieces so I have a good idea how they do.
@obi1cannoli777 Жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Great amps!!! 👀 DID YOU SNEAK IN A PB-3000?!?! 👀 I have a pair of Tonewinner 7300pa and a pair of SVS PB-2000. They both make awesome stuff.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother! I did sneak some B roll in there with a PB3000. It will be compared to the Paradigm X15's soon.
@chebrubin Жыл бұрын
This is the Krell amplifiers of old for a new generation of budget conscious multichannel audiophiles. I am concerned pure play China electronics will start to get a backlash from consumers due to all the political news about balloons. I have noticed on the main Tonewinner site they have a analog pre amplifier that would mate well with the AD-1PA.
@kodi41679 ай бұрын
Are you kidding me? Even the smallest of Krells use three times the output devices and more then double the PSU.
@Oz-Jameson Жыл бұрын
Another great review, but how would you compare the ToneWinner against the Emotiva DR3 amplifier sound wise, being that’s what I have, and would it be worth changing thanks
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
I have not heard the Emotiva DR3, so I can't really say anything on that. I know that Tonewinner makes Emotiva, so they may sound somewhat similar. That being said, this Tonewinner is probably the best amplifier you can get in this price range. I would even bet it compares to amplifiers twice it's cost, but that is an assumption at this point.
@michaelwright16023 ай бұрын
The DR series with the "H" topology is rather dry and sterile when compared to my first gen Emotiva XPA2. I still own the XPA2, it is powering a pair of Magnepans. The DR2 lasted around a week in my system, I boxed it up and returned it. It lacked the soundstage and dynamics of the old XPA2, and like I stated, it was rather dry and sterile, more Class D than Class A/B. I would give the Tonewinner lineup a serious look, I know I am.
@Exgol200511 ай бұрын
AD using mosfets?
@wingrider7931 Жыл бұрын
As you've owned both this amp and the Legacy Audio Focus SE speakers, how do you think those to would match up? Looking at getting the Focus SE followed shortly by a new amp.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
I believe they would make a fantastic pair. The 100 watts of class A power is plenty to power the Focus SE, and should give it just a little warmth. When you want to turn things to 11, just switch the amp to class A/B mode and turn things up until your hearts content. This is a very versatile amp that just happens to sound fantastic as well. I still love mine and have no intentions of getting rid of them at this point.
@wingrider7931 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech Good to know!
@ronreyesmilton6 ай бұрын
I had my AD-1PA bi amped my speakers, which setting should sound best , class A or class AB?
@SpecOfTech5 ай бұрын
There is very little difference between the 2, but I did prefer class A.
@ronreyesmilton5 ай бұрын
thanks, will compare my music that I enjoy listening to!@@SpecOfTech
@kodi41679 ай бұрын
First off, I must post this becuase you sent me this reply directly and not here in the fourm: " Spec Of Tech How much are those amplifiers you are referring to retail? FYI, it's not JUST about the wattage of a transformer either, it's about the physical size of the transformer. The larger transformers help reduce voltage drop, which helps better reflect the source. The transformer in this amplifier is physically quite massive, which is what I was showing. It's also NOT only about how much output it has. Pretty cool that you can make assumptions about a products without any details as to what you are referring too 👍. Yes, Bryston and Krell are great products, but that isn't really apples to apples here is it? This is a budget hifi amp, that offers a lot of value for it's price. I'm glad you really like your amps, but why try and turn a review into a pissing contest...? " You asked me several questions, amd I will answer them as they were asked. You can buy a good used Krell 400xi on ebay for 1200 to 1400 dollars all day long. It also has a pure Class A preamp stage. Show me the value vrs your price point. Qualiy is vastly better then quantity, all be it, the Krell still has more power and is vastly smaller. Physical size of a transformer means nothing. What matters is its VA (in the case of audio circuts) Smaller windings (smaller wire and more turns) have better over all everything. Read here: www.jensen-transformers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Audio-Transformers-Chapter.pdf Spec 1.2.1 The MORE wire you can place into a transformer design the better it is. For example, compare my Krell 400xi transformer rated at 900va to that giant 1200VA you posted pics of, the Krell is 1/3 the size why? And nearly the same rating? Quality of the design. Huge wire makes a big transforer but not a good one for audio purposes. See the above link. Larger wire has more loss and more interaction with noise, and in and of itself creates noise. The primary types of transformers used in amplifiers used today- R-core, and torids. A Krell 4000VA transformer is half that units size and weighs 3 times as much. FYI- Voltage drop occurs when ohms law is not realized in a given circut topology (voltage rise amper drop / amper rise voltage drop). Physical size of the transformer means nothing. Windings are king. Perhaps you should learn about crossover design and what makes a crossover function as it does. Then you will have a much better grasp on what I am speaking of. Not assumptions, FACTS.
@kodi41679 ай бұрын
FYI- 1.2.1 Core Materials and Construction Magnetic circuits are quite similar to electric circuits. As shown in Figure 11, magnetic flux always takes a closed path from one magnetic pole to the other and, like an electric current, always favors the paths of highest conductivity or least resistance. The equivalent of applied voltage in magnetic circuits is magnetizing force, symbolized H. It is directly proportional to “ampere-turns” (coil current I times its number of turns N) and inversely proportional to the flux path length R in the magnetic circuit. The equivalent of electric current flow is flux density, symbolized B. It is measured as the number of magnetic flux lines per square unit of area. A graphic plot of the relationship between field intensity and flux density is shown in Figure 9 and is referred to a the “B-H loop” or “hysteresis loop” for a given material. In the United States, the most commonly used units for magnetizing force and flux density are the Oersted and Gauss, respectively, which are CGS (centimeter, gram, second) units. In Europe, the SI (Système International) units amperes per meter and Tesla, respectively, are more common. The slope of the B-H loop indicates how an incremental increase in applied magnetizing force changes the resulting flux density. This slope is effectively a measure of conductivity in the magnetic circuit and is called permeability, symbolized ì. Any material inside a coil, which can also serve as a form to support it, is called a core. By definition, the permeability of air is 1.00 and common “non-magnetic” materials such as aluminum, brass, copper, paper, glass, and plastic also have a permeability of 1 for practical purposes. The permeability of some common “ferro-magnetic” materials is about 300 for ordinary steel, about 5,000 for 4% silicon transformer steel, and up to about 100,000 for some nickel-iron-molybdenum alloys. Because such materials concentrate magnetic flux, they greatly increase the inductance of a coil. Audio transformers must utilize both high-permeability cores and the largest practical number of coil turns to create high primary inductance. Coil inductance increases as the square of the number of turns and in direct proportion to the permeability of the core and can be approximated using the formula: L = 3.2 N ì A / 10 R where L = inductance in Henries, N = 2 8 number of coil turns, ì = permeability of core, A = cross-section area of core in square inches, and R = mean flux path length in inches.
@SpecOfTech9 ай бұрын
I have no idea what you mean, that I sent my reply directly? I replied to your original comment. If you go to your original comment you will see my reply below it. There was no need to create a new comment thread, but I have to reply here because you made a new comment lol. I wasn't asking about used prices, that wouldn't make any sense to compare used prices to new MSRP. You are comparing old used amp prices to this brand new amp MSRP? That is the definition of comparing apples to oranges my friend. I also want to say, I have no interest in arguing about small transformers versus large transformers. That is a debate that will go on for centuries, but there are PLENTY of audio enthusiasts that believe a larger transformer sounds superior. Hence why so many uber expensive amps use them, that's just FACTS (as you would like to say). I don't mean to be rude, but I think you need to look up the definition of "facts". It is a scientific fact that larger gauge wire has LESS loss of signal. It IS small wire that has more loss of signal. Why do you think you have to use larger gauge wire for longer speaker cable runs? Because it has less loss. Larger wire has less resistance, feel free to look it up. Pretty ironic for you to try and demean my knowledge while spewing false information. I am not going to argue with you which amp is better, that is pure silliness because audio is subjective. For you to make a comment about how your amp would smoke another amp, all while comparing used prices to new prices, and giving false information about smaller wire having less loss is just plain silly my friend. Nobody is saying you need to buy this amp. If you love Krell and Bryston, by all means...go buy them and enjoy your system. I don't know why some audio enthusiasts feel the need to be so toxic with their comments because they have a different opinion...sheesh, we can do better. P.S. The assumption I was referring to in my original comment, is you assuming 1 amp is better than the other based on 1 of the internal parts and based on output alone. That would be like me saying, the binding posts are better on the Tonewinner AD-1PA, therefore it smokes your amp. I am all for discussion, as long as the discussion is based in reality.
@avtarsingh583411 ай бұрын
How would you compare these tonewinner to PS audio M1200 monoblocks?
@SpecOfTech11 ай бұрын
Honestly, it wouldn't be fair for me to make any comments between the 2. I haven't heard the M1200 monoblocks. What I can say, is that the Tonewinner AD-1PA can hang with the big boys for less money.
@avtarsingh583411 ай бұрын
@@SpecOfTech thak you for the reply.
@avtarsingh583410 ай бұрын
@@SpecOfTech have you had chance to check out the emotiva xpa gen3 DR1? I am debating on this or the two DR1s, but I have never had an amp with SMPS which the DRs have.
@SpecOfTech10 ай бұрын
@avtarsingh5834 Sorry I haven't had the opportunity to check out the Emotiva's yet.
@avtarsingh583410 ай бұрын
@@SpecOfTech no problem, thank you for the response brother 🙏.
@mricht017 ай бұрын
is the amp bridgeable?
@SpecOfTech7 ай бұрын
No, this one isn't.
@mricht017 ай бұрын
Thank you
@junior-OG Жыл бұрын
you gonna keep them ?
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Yes sir! The intention is to keep them for the foreseeable future. They are perfect for comparing speakers too!
@junior-OG Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech so class a /ab for front and class d for surround and atmos?
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@junior-OG Yeah that's right.
@psyphonyxaudio Жыл бұрын
Thick!
@Smood47 Жыл бұрын
To be fair m700 is kinda junk. Of course the bigger tone winner with huge toroid will be better.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Yeah but also to be fair, the PS Audio amps do cost more per channel as well.
@Smood47 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech I get that but compare it to something like a pass labs stereo amp like a 250.8 or 350.8. Or bryston 4b3 or monos. Then if your tone amp wins that will be extremely impressive and say a lot about that amp. When you compare it to junk it doesn't really accomplish anything other than to warn people not to buy it. Big well made chinese amps will often out perform crappy brand name stuff.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@Smood47 Well, I suppose PS Audio being "junk" is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. There are lots of enthusiasts who love PS Audio equipment and would say it out performs more expensive amps 🤷♂️. I would actually like to get a McIntosh amp to compare to the AD-1PA.
@Smood47 Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech I didn't say PS audio is junk. I said the m700 was junk. McIntosh? Arghh. Bro... Pass, luxman, gryphon, Coda. Contact destination hifi, ask for in home demo of coda no 16 or no 8. I think itll be free or a nominal shipping fee. Its more pricey but itll give you a good experience of a new tier of performance (although at that point you may need to upgrade speakers).
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
@@Smood47 You lost me there. You say comparing an amplifier to 2 monoblocks that are slightly more expensive, isn't a good comparison... then why would I compare a $2875 amp to a $16,000 Coda amplifier? How would that comparison be even remotely fair? Honestly, I have no desire at the moment to own or even review a $16,000 amp, or anything remotely that expensive. Maybe one day in the future, since I make a habit to never say never, but that type of equipment is not relatable for most humans. I am happy for you if you have equipment in that price bracket and I hope you enjoy it...cheers.
@raulgutierrez6415 Жыл бұрын
Boo on the video. This sounds like a old emo amp.
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Well then the old Emo amps must have sounded FANTASTIC. Just a pro tip, Tonewinner is the manufacturer for Emotiva ;).
@gobucs224 ай бұрын
Stop buying and promoting Chinese
@michaelwright16023 ай бұрын
@@SpecOfTech That is good to know, and the reason my old Emotiva first gen XPA2 stays in my system rotation. It has beat out the Parasound A23+, the Denafrips Thallo, the XTZ Edge A2-400, and a few lesser amps. The soundstage is huge, instrument separation with my PS Audio Stellar Gaincell DAC/Preamp is incredibly good along with the dynamics. I drive a pair of Maggies with the old girl. The Zu's are driven with a nice little 10w el84 tube amp. Both utilize the Gaincell.
@kodi41679 ай бұрын
OMG a 1200 watt transformer? Really? You really need to look at some of the high end stuff made in the USA or Canada. 1200 watts is the basement stuff. Do your math, understand what the transformer does and what TYPE is used. Makes a HUGE difference. For example, have a look at an old school Krell or Bryston power amp, you want balls- here is where you will gain your man hood- look at the output devices and the input stage- seriously. 1200 watt psu- are you kidding me? Put this amp on the bench with REAL world loads, it will fall apart. ESP in Class A. :L- My Proton D1200 will smoke it. Let alone my Krell stuff. seriously.
@SpecOfTech9 ай бұрын
How much are those amplifiers you are referring to retail? FYI, it's not JUST about the wattage of a transformer either, it's about the physical size of the transformer. The larger transformers help reduce voltage drop, which helps better reflect the source. The transformer in this amplifier is physically quite massive, which is what I was showing. It's also NOT only about how much output it has. Pretty cool that you can make assumptions about a products without any details as to what you are referring too 👍. Yes, Bryston and Krell are great products, but that isn't really apples to apples here is it? This is a budget hifi amp, that offers a lot of value for it's price. I'm glad you really like your amps, but why try and turn a review into a pissing contest...?
@ROBERT-ml7ml Жыл бұрын
I recently heard from REPUTABLE audiophiles that external amps are kinda snakeoil... they said unless you have crappy speakers with bad sensitivity levels, you don't need an external amp. I guess at most, during big explosion scenes and such, it only takes a few watts. But they did say having an external amp can help with the speed of dynamics, BUT it is debatable if you can actually hear the difference, unless you have elf ears like Legolas. What are your thoughts?
@ROBERT-ml7ml Жыл бұрын
??
@SpecOfTech Жыл бұрын
Hey Robert, I always get to comments when I have a chance, we all have busy lives lol. I can personally vouch for the fact that there is an audible difference between amplifiers, because I have experienced it first hand. Whether or not the audible difference is observable between every amplifier is a different story, and whether or not the observable difference is worth it to the individual buyer is a whole new story. So yes, there is a difference between amplifiers, but that difference varies between amplifiers and the amplifier’s topology. Your personal preferences and budget comes into play as well.
@chebrubin Жыл бұрын
LOL your friend is a not helpful to you or others. External amplifiers are incredible. You think those Sonus Farber speakers are going to sing with a crummy denon 3800 connected?
@ROBERT-ml7ml Жыл бұрын
@@SpecOfTech Thanks! Makes sense! Sensitivity is a big part of it too.
@Ezees23 Жыл бұрын
You must've been reading on the ASR site, LOL. They're not really "reputable", LOL......