PSI Audio A23m Speakers | £10k Studio Monitor Review
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Күн бұрынIn this video, I reveal why I bought the PSI Audio A23m studio monitor speakers, what I learned during the audition process, and what it is that makes these speakers SO special!
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@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Was That What You Were Expecting?
@martijn_nl 8 ай бұрын
A true cliffhanger! Nice. I expected the MUM8 first and PSI second.
@cookiebytz 8 ай бұрын
Well you did reveal them on Working Audio Tools over the last couple of episodes. Hope they help you smash it. Now I'm off on my Quest! ⚔
@tutubeos 8 ай бұрын
Wow… those are big guns. I didn’t expect that, but it’s an understandable choice.
@alphimusic 8 ай бұрын
Fun to follow you choosing you monitor. It would be interesting what you will say in 4-5 years from now, probably you should do a follow up video then :) My studio is equipped with PSI A25, ATC SCM 25, KH310 and Avantone Mix Cubes. And to be honest, the monitor I would through out is the KH 310, however they are inspiring to work on, but as soon as it comes to mixing they are not useful to me. However, I would say there is no perfect monitor, and in my situation, if I would only mix on the PSI, I would not be as happy with my mid range in the end of the day, and if I only worked on the ATC, I would miss the most upper frequencies and also probably not be as dialed in when it comes to the full spectrum of a mix with in terms of time and space.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Haha. This is true. I left crumbs on Insta too😬
@PSIAudio1 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your excellent review and your decision to go for the A23-M! And thanks to all the constructive comments... and the others ;-)
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
You are more than welcome! Congratulations on truly magnificent speakers!
@oceanus123 7 ай бұрын
Yeees. Bravo les gars de psi ! Fier de vous compter parmis mes voisins
@MarcoVialeBakmaind 7 ай бұрын
This speakers are on my wishlist but I need to wait some time to collect the money. At the moment I have pair of A21m which are also really good speakers. But since I’ve listened to the A23m here in my studio I was blown away by the midrange. They are celestial on female voices and so rich in details… Really great speakers, for sure the best ones I’ve ever heard.
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
They are truly wonderful! Good luck saving!
@TheSakuraGumiLTD 8 ай бұрын
Here it is!!! KRK ROKIT 5's becoming the elite choice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Where all the pros start. 😜
@TheSakuraGumiLTD 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They were actually my first monitors... my God, just going to another brand in the same price bracket made a huge difference. That was a log long time ago now... 18 years ago🤣dark days
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
@@TheSakuraGumiLTDThey were my first monitors too😂 And I had them in a 1m wide alcove🤣
@Tazmanian_Ninja 7 ай бұрын
Yes. KRK ROKIT 5's will now become the new studio standard, for decades to come! ... But ONLY with a rolled-up sock stuffing its bass reflex port. The type of sock, let alone material composition, will remain veiled in secrecy for decades too - as Ed will keep that a secret.
@BI11YB0NE5 8 ай бұрын
Congratulations on your new monitors! I’ve recently completed the under 10k 3 way monitor journey myself! This series was great to watch. Thank you for the immense amount of work I know this entailed.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate your comments. Which speakers did you audition and choose?
@BI11YB0NE5 7 ай бұрын
@@EdThorneI auditioned the Focal Trio 11be, Adam S3H, PMC 6-2, ATC SCM45a, Barefoot MM27, Genelec 8351b, ATC SCM25, and Genelec 8361a. I wasn’t able to listen to a pair of KH420’s or PSI’s as I have zero social media presence and getting demos is very difficult in Germany. After hearing the 8361a’s at Blackbird Studio studio C, and Mike Elizondo’s studio I decided to go with them. My rooms dimensions are not ideal and I must say the genelec’s GLM System helps out with that in a huge way. Monitoring is very subjective and great mixes have been achieved on all of the monitors yourself and I auditioned, but the Genelec’s suited me best. Thanks again for your excellent video, and enjoy your beautiful PSI’s.
@Gabbanadj 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful choice on the PSI's , this is a worthy upgrade from the Neumanns
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
100%. Night and day difference!
@musicmwmusic 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Having walked this road not that long ago I can definitely say that you made the right choice. You will hear the differences in your mixes immediately. \m/
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. I am doing already! I’ve had to adapt to the additional top end and brightness compared to the Neumanns but I’m loving it!
@musicmwmusic 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Lol!! Suddenly low pass filters become so much more integral ;)
@Groove81TV 8 ай бұрын
Now i hear you talking :) They are super . Love them ! Succes mixing !
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! 🔥
@andreasmichel9430 8 ай бұрын
Good choice. Very nice job they do at PSI.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. And yeh, they’re really something special!
@marcmitchell7830 8 ай бұрын
thanks dude great output....after all the deliberation, it really would put the cherry on the cake if u did try the dutch & dutch.. especially now you've found your forever speaker.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
I believe they’re still currently unavailable in the UK atm. Heard incredible things though. However, I am a convert to all analog speakers.
@marcmitchell7830 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne this is it :) like the difference between a Tesla or a Land Rover.. but that 8c coupled bass & the cardioid tops, open source DSP, such a tease, :) I need to know haha
@weschilton 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm definitely with you on the analog vs DSP thing... every speaker I heard that uses DSP has some weirdness to it that is difficult to describe, but is definitely there. I find it distracting. Its especially prominent in the Barefoots and the newer Genelecs. That's why ultimately I went with ATCs, they have many of the same features as the PSIs and sound incredibly natural to me. I think we have different tastes in sound as I prefer a less scooped sound with more clarity in the mids, so the ATCs were for me perfect. Evenr the 25As have enough bass for my small room. Unfortunately the only PSIs I've been able to listen to were 2-ways, but they are absolutely excellent speakers! So congratulations! I think once you get a Trinnov system in there, everything will be perfect, and you probably won't need a sub.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Wes. It seems to be a popular contest between ATC and PSI when people decide they want all analog. (Is it the only contest? What other all analog speakers are there?)
@weschilton 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Maybe the Focal Trios? I didn't like them though. Very harsh top end IMO.
@MR_Cellarpop 8 ай бұрын
Congrats to great speakers😀
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@AlexPettyMusic 3 ай бұрын
Love my Genelec 8351B's!
@samuelhof2192 6 ай бұрын
I have the same speakers as well. Only one thing more to mention. Besides all the facts mentioned in this Video they‘re still very pleasing, natural and for a mastering grade speaker charming to hear. And they dont give you the feeling you want to switch them off after sometime because of beeing overprecise and analytical. So said i‘m coming from Adam Speakers. Love my A23‘s a lot. I think i will never buy a new Studio Speaker. Greetz from Switzerland
@EdThorne 6 ай бұрын
You’re 100% right. These were a legacy purchase for me. I don’t need to upgrade again.
@stevespacek8893 5 ай бұрын
Hey great and informative video re 10grand studio monitors! Have seen and heard so many gush over the ATC's- and deservedly so. So to hear that PSI have bested ATC's efforts is both interesting and amazing. I've never listened to PSI monitors but have always been interested in their baby A14- the broadcast versions with the carry handles on top. I like the idea of being able to take my hi end monitoring system with me wherever I go! Plus analog circuitry all the was for the natural sound and response, set by the manufacturers. Have ended up with a set of "super nearfields" by a company called Abacus Electronics- out of Nordham Germany. C-Box 3(in concrete). All analog, with no DSP, reflex ports or passive radiators. Totally closed mini wonders that somehow manage to play all the way down to 35HZ. Apparently a German Mastering house secret! On another note- with regards to your new monitors positioning. I'm thinking wouldn’t it be better to have the tweeters/mid driver units on the outside with regards to your setup.. Ideally you want as near as perfect an equal sided triangle between the monitors and your head. What with bass being monophonic, wouldn’t it be better to have the LF woofers on the inside and take advantage of a wider sweet spot, whilst also completing the equal sided triangle monitoring position.. I'm sure you have your reasoning for this but just a thought;))
@HondoFelder 7 ай бұрын
I was expecting you to have the XM Pulsars! I'd love to hear more about the DSP vs Analog thing if you have a minute. I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on either PSI, XM, or 8c. Thanks so much!
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
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@rodrigoraynor 8 ай бұрын
Great choice 🎉, I've listened then on gear fest UK as well , one of the best speakers on the market
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Ah, yes, that was in Paul’s room with Trinnov and the AVAA low end systems too. Incredible products!
@rodrigoraynor 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne I'm happy about your decision, I got a pair of type 07 , soon I will finish my new room and listen properly, thanks to share your experience, I got the same as well, it's was a pleasure to meet you at gear fest and I hope the best bro
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Great stuff. Likewise, I remember. Brazil right?
@rodrigoraynor 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne yes , it's me , good to know that you remember my face 😆
@jossfunk 8 ай бұрын
I was sure of the result ! i own my self a pair of PSI - A 21M that i really love but just can't afford the A 23 M....
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
They’re all great speakers! Glad you’re liking the 21s.
@StephenBaysted 6 ай бұрын
I've just been comparing the A23M with the Barefoot MM27s today in my studio. Couldn't get on with the Barefoots, but the A23Ms are amazing. Going to be ordering a pair on Monday.
@EdThorne 6 ай бұрын
Great choice. I hated the Barefoots, sadly.
@malibustacy3606 5 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Streaky made a video about Barefoots a while ago saying something very similar to what you said, which he followed up with another video that should have been entitled "damage control."
@davidallanmusic 8 ай бұрын
Would love to own those speakers.
@gwsound 8 ай бұрын
Almost got the A23’s what a great speaker. But then I listen to the ATC smc50a and choose them. But psi is a really underrated manufacturer. Their speakers are great. So nice that you could test them all at home.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Yeh, it’s been a real privilege! I haven’t tried the SMC50s. I’ll look out for them.
@galgogergo 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Ahh, man, if you could try and compare them to these magnificent PSIs, that would be so awesome! I "met" a guy on forums who has active ATCs with PSIs, and he said he totally loved both! He had them in an AB configuration :)
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
That is THE DREAM set up. They are the best of both worlds.
@adrianudrea3780 8 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that you will buy a MUM-8 because of the new technology of the cabinet , drivers , amp etc and to be honest , the price is also more than fair , £4,162.50 a pair . I'm also very interested to buy a pair of these in future !
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
They are exceptional speakers and definitely in my top 3!
@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThornehow’s the low on the MUMs from a bass heavy techno point of view.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
It’s tight and punchy. I liked the richness in the PSIs though. A combination of both would have been ideal.
@curighuws15 8 ай бұрын
Great set of videos! Out of interest what distance are you from these speakers in your listening position?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. I'm about 1m-1.2m away from them. So they just about work at this distance
@TheSakuraGumiLTD 8 ай бұрын
PSI... the B roll said it all 😂 These are my toss up between the MUM's at the moment. Natural sound is a very important thing for me. I want to know what what emotion I am adding more than anything. The present day production lads had reviewed them just before starting to make their own. I will be mostly likely going with the MUM's for Atmos... but may get these for my stereo setup. The Modern Day Production guy will have the setup for me to test these next to the MUM's. Great like series. gave me a lot more insight than any reviews I've heard
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Haha. Those who know PSI would have guessed it straight away but I wants to dangle carrots for everyone else 🤣 For me, choosing between the MUM8s and PSIs, came down to DSP Vs Analog, and the richness in the low end on the PSIs. The MUM8s are tighter in the low end, more akin to the PMCs but nothing came close to the lush and expansive top end on the PSIs.
@MarkVO 8 ай бұрын
I remember checking the price of the PSI vs the MUM8 and noticed that they were very similar in price. I didn't realise (much to my shock) that the price for the MUM8s was for a PAIR. The fact that Mark and James were able to get THIS close on what is effectively their first try and literally almost half the cost of the PSIs is a testament to their incredible work. This was a fantastic video series, Ed. Thank you for taking us on the journey and as a subscriber to both you and the wonderful PDP chaps it was great to watch the collab between you two. Great chemistry and I think it was an excellent idea.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the lovely comment, Mark!
@checkitout611 8 ай бұрын
Got this info from an insider ..... Ed has actually picked the Jensen JS65T 6-1/2" 3-way car speakers. The magic is in the mid range and these have them and he doesn't have to go out to his car to figure out if the mix is perfect! Nice pick! Affordable too! Nah .. it's gotta be the MUM-8 💥
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Haha. The MUMs were definitively in my top 3!
@bohdan3239 8 ай бұрын
Are you kidding me ? With Ed,s ears anything is possible. I bet it will be the Bose 901.s
@bohdan3239 8 ай бұрын
I remember Ed returning a hearing aid and they told him that it was not faulty.
@checkitout611 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne 100% surprised by the choice but congratz on the new speakers! Enjoy!
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@thetheoryguy5544 4 ай бұрын
While I don't think I could ever afford the A23m's I got my eye on the A17M's need to start saving up lol.
@user-bh3dk2oc6d 8 ай бұрын
Hey Ed, can you review the Rodecaster duo, specifically from a music production point of view? It’s quite expensive but I’m a streaming musician and I want to know if it will work well. I’ve only seen one channel touch on guitar with it, but I don’t know how well it integrates into OBS or my Daw software. It has really great mic preamps but I don’t know if it could replace my interface setup
@mixphantom0101 7 ай бұрын
Awesome monitors! Does PSI specify that the mid/tweeter array should be inside instead of outside? Have you tried both positions? Just eyeballing it looks as if your mix poz is outside the triangle.
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
The UK PSI distributor suggested I set them up like this in my room. I'll try the other way around when Trinnov arrives. I can't be bothered re-calibrating the room because it takes so long with the Neumann system.
@Truth565 7 ай бұрын
So are you currently calibrating your room with a Neumann sub or something?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Yeh. It works pretty well. Much better than SoundID but Trinnov destroys them both.
@marleraudio 8 ай бұрын
Yeah i think the mum8's id love a set myself
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
They were definitely in my top three!
@fattohead 7 ай бұрын
ED Hi ! Your content is great ! Off topic, I see you have both IGS Rubberbands and WES Prometheus.. If you put fancy specs. like M/S and plug-in control etc. aside, which one of them would you prefer sonic stampwise? I want get a 500 Pultec style EQ mostly for mastering purpose and can't give a decision between two, so maybe you can put your 2cents. Thanks in advanve!🙏
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Hi there. Thanks. I am literally planning a video comparing these two! The IGS is juicy and thick sounding where the Prometheus is more neutral and way more flexible. My IGS lives on my drum bus post compression and Wes Audio on my mix bus tickling some mid/side processing.
@mosermichael4404 8 ай бұрын
hey you sure have a great monitor with the Psi m23! 😉 We Swiss already knew how to build good speakers!😉😂 I had Piega in the studio for a long time - they are the developers of the coaxial ribbon tweeter! sound incredible! and is built in Switzerland! is used more in hi fi - high end.. also works great in the sound studio.. very high resolution!😉😘 But I switched to the PMC 6.2 myself, for me it's the perfect sounding studio monitor.. sound excellent.. and for me the best low end I've ever heard!😱👌💥 ❤️and super mid and hi sound, fantastic stereo image and bass depth!😍 They should better stand on stands and have a listening distance of approx. 140 cm! Only then do they really sound excellent!😘 Otherwise it is better to choose another studio monitor!🙏The PMC 6.2 needs air to breathe!😂😉🙏 But what I'm thinking about increasing the psi on the Avaa C20 to get the bass modes in the room under control is an active bass mode remover. really brilliant technology! Check out the low end in the room and the reverberation time below 40 Hz!👊🔥💥 This part is really magical! But I'll definitely need 2 of them and that's about 5500 Swiss francs for 2 pieces!😢 but it does an excellent job!❤️💥🔥
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Hi there. I LOVED the PMC6-2s! Tightest low end but I found the midrange sounded shallow, especially compared to the PSIs. I’m intrigued to try the AVAA but I’m all spent up for now with Trinnov and subs on the way🤣
@mosermichael4404 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne OK dad, I don't have a feeling about the mid range with the PMC.. if they're calibrated correctly they sound great!😉 regarding avaa c20 It gives you a pressure to balance the energy in your room in the low end! the Avas has 2 membranes in it! and swallows the space fashions in the low end... The trinnov definitely won't do that for you!😉 I'm telling you that part is magic. And if, for example, you have the psi m23m and are thinking about getting a subwoofer, test the avaa first and you will no longer need a sub... I know that from tom wettstein, who has them in his mastering sound studio and has the small 2way 8" psi studio monitor and 2 avaa c20 and no sub.. and says he can't do without it anymore! but his acoustics are perfectly muted with plate vibrators at certain frequencies and the avaa are responsible for those below 40 hz. and he doesn't use trinnov😉
@LBJedi 6 ай бұрын
It’s been really cool and helpful watching you go through this process! Wondering if I can get your advice. I’m saving up for my first pair of monitors. Right now I mix on a pair of Neuman NDH30 headphones. Do you think I should buy something less expensive, like Kali IN-8s, just to start practicing on monitors, or should I wait until I can afford a forever pair like the Ex Machina GamidS?
@EdThorne 6 ай бұрын
Oooh, good question. I would suggest buying the best speakers you can afford now. Then in the future when your ears and mixing skills develop you can upgrade the next weakest link on the chain (speakers/interface (converters), etc). The Ex Machina’s are VERY good speakers!
@LBJedi 6 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Thank you for your advice! Yeah, I think the Ex Machinas might be my “forever speakers”, but I’ll need to test a few pairs in my room like you did when I can afford it. Your “weakest link in the chain” comment made me realize something. I think tge first thing I’ll actually focus on is perfecting my room treatment. Thanks again Ed, and happy holidays!
@richardpenrose1968 8 ай бұрын
I nearly swapped my KH120’s for a pair of secondhand PSI A17’s to use with an Eve TS108 sub. Unfortunately I couldn’t try and return if I didn’t like them which put me off. Im considering changing my Eve TS108 sub for the KH750 or sell both the Kh120 and Eve sub to get the KH150. If another secondhand pair of A17’s come up I might be more tempted this time.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
The 150s are decent speakers but have the same sonic character I don’t like about the Neumann’s (which they all have). The sub is good and the room correction with the MA1 mic is very good! If you get the opportunity to buy PSIs again, you won’t regret buying them! They’re night and day better to me than the Neumann’s. Also, they’re a purchase for life. They’re like a classic Ferrari - they’ll always be amazing!
@me-zx2rs 7 ай бұрын
I have the KH150s and I really like them. However I can see why some may not like them. The dynamics IMO are just as good as PSI, ATC et al however they are a little more 'dark' and require extra attention to room acoustics. In saying that I'm using them in a currently untreated room (lol) but am consistently blown away by how good their dynamics and extremely low distortion is. But then again, these are my first higher end pair of speakers, coming from some Yamaha HS8s. One more thing that sold me on them was their high SPL ability while maintaining very low distortion. I've still got GAS though and am eyeing PSI 3 ways based on what is essentially unanimous praise for them.
@richardpenrose1968 7 ай бұрын
@@me-zx2rs Yes I have to say I still love my KH120’s. Having gone back to analysing my mixes, I’m not experiencing the low mid issue the Ed had. I find the KH120’s just let me hear my mix for what it is. However, I have been using them for over 12 years, so I am VERY used to them! I’m still weighing up whether to upgrade these to the KH150 or get the KH750 sub.
@me-zx2rs 7 ай бұрын
@@richardpenrose1968 I typed out a long comment but it didn't send for some reason. Basically, I agree on all points and would argue that they exceed their dollar value. Which makes them excellent value. Extremely low distortion combined with a very flat response are attractive attributes. The counter point I have heard is that they are not as revealing as other speakers such as PSI when it comes to exposing compression changes. Which Ed has talked about but I have heard this from others too. This is not a big downside for me as if I need extra attention paid to compression I will just use my headphones. That is until I (maybe) buy some PSIs in the future. That will not be for some time though as I think I will hold on to my new KH150s for many many years yet. The two things I could see being of benefit for you upgrading to the KH150s from KH120s would be the in-built linear phase response thanks to the onboard DSP, and (from what I've been told) a sound that is closer to the big brother KH310s coming out of the 150s. But the MA1 unit can compensate for both of those factors so if you already own that, then I would say maybe just spring for the sub.
@richardpenrose1968 7 ай бұрын
@@me-zx2rs Yes, having worked on some much higher end speakers before, I’m not feeling the need to upgrade from my Neumanns. I just need to decide on whether I will change my Eve sub for the KH750dsp or swap my KH120’s and Eve sub for a single pair of KH150’s!
@united100 8 ай бұрын
why did you place the bass speaker outside and the tweeters inside?
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
This was how the PSI distributor suggested having them in my room. I will try them the other way round when Trinnov arrives (and the subs) but it’s such a ballache to room correct with the Neumann MA1 system I can’t be bothered moving now I have them in a sweet spot.
@abboberg 7 ай бұрын
Were you able to compare these to the Adam Audio S3V?
@nightnaj5278 Ай бұрын
Hello Ed :) Have you tested these compared to the Focal Trio6's or Neumann Kh420 or even genelec 8361A? Cheers
@Malc180s 7 ай бұрын
I've been considering these for a while - Really enjoyed working on the A21's (which are basically this speaker san mid range driver). The ATC25/45 mid-forward sound (compared to the 21s) just wasn't as nice when I tested them, but in hindsight maybe they would've been a better bet... The 21's aren't hifi as such - it's all there - but there's a sweetness which might not be genuine..or they're just piss-easy to work on! Who knows! Did you listen to the 21's vs the 23's at any point?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
I’ve heard the A17s/21s (can’t remember which model, but the two way). They’re great speakers but I definitely missed the three-way system of the 23s. They’re unreal!
@Lychegsye-nc6td 8 ай бұрын
is there a reason why u chose to have tweeter&mid drivers on the inner side (n subs on the outside)?
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Proximity to them in the listening position. I may try them the other way round but I’ll wait until Trinnov arrives because calibrating with the Neumann MA1 is a ballache.
@ndavies8 7 ай бұрын
Awesome stuff! I watched the entire video! I own the travel size A14 M and it's performance is excellent despite the small size. PSI makes great sub. Do you plan on getting a sub?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Thanks, Nehie. I have two A125s on order ;-)
@AudioRecordingStudio58 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ed, I like your channel and info-reporting. Congrat! Given that you have decided on PSI monitors for your studio, I am wondering if you have perhaps compared PSi with Dutch & DUutch and if so, what is the essential difference? I'm also curious why you didn't choose MUM8 monitors? Thank you for your prompt reply, best
@EdThorne 4 ай бұрын
Thank you. I couldn’t get hold of the D&Ds but heard good things. Jeremy at Recording Studio Loser has just done a video on them though. The PSIs have a rich low end, spacious top end, and depth I fell in love with when I heard them. The MUMs are great but I felt they weren’t quite for me.
@AudioRecordingStudio58 4 ай бұрын
Thank a lot. Best,M
@clintyoung9902 3 ай бұрын
@@EdThornehe actually recently returned the D&D’s
@EdThorne 3 ай бұрын
Yeh, I saw that. Shame.
@clintyoung9902 3 ай бұрын
Apparently he wasn’t a fan of onboard DSP either.
@toneseldelaquimica646 8 ай бұрын
PSI AUDIO A25-M🥶
@Tazmanian_Ninja 8 ай бұрын
💡 Anyone noticed that "MUM-8" phonetically sounds like "My Mate?" (British pronunciation: "mah mate") 😃 I think it's intentional.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Knowing the PDP guys a little bit now, as I do, I’m pretty sure it’s 100% to do with mum jokes 🤣
@Tazmanian_Ninja 8 ай бұрын
Mum jokes? 😄 Is that a UK thing? Elaborate please 🙂
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Haha. Ok. Best I don’t elaborate in public. Very much distasteful British banter 🤣
@ayoubmisbah2190 6 ай бұрын
Can you do vedio comaretion betwin sonarwoks and trennov ❤🙏🏻
@EdThorne 6 ай бұрын
It’s coming. Probably January now.
@albertorolon137 7 ай бұрын
About to buy ATC 45 or Pmc 2-6 . Don’t know which ones
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Both killer speakers! I’d say for guitar based music and recording - ATC. For dance/EDM/Hip-hop etc - PMC own it!
@jbaranowski1990 8 ай бұрын
It's nice that someone finally said that you can have cheaper speakers next to more expensive and those cheaper ones can sound better. I noticed that we live in a distorted world of marketing bs. Thousands of (previosuly paid mainly) sites and yt channels review the same gear and say that this is the best X or Y. But you buy it, use it and after couple of months compare with other, sometimes cheaper and not well known, solution and voila! You have better experience, better quality and better sound. But company didn't pay ytbers for "reviews" so they are not so known or even unknown in the mainstream. Same with mics. I love Neumann U87 but I know that some mics for a half price can be "very very close" to the original, so is it reasonable to spend couple of thousnads of bucks more for so small difference? For pros/purists/milionaires (lol) yes but for most of independent artists, hobbyist and "tight budget" guys and so on probably not. So yes. We must start to use our ears not only "opinions of talking heads on yt". Thanks for your work man!
@PreFusah 7 ай бұрын
Do you have any reccmendations in the sub £500 range?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
@PreFusah Adam TV5s!
@titua1288 5 ай бұрын
Which of the 2 sounds louder? PSI a23m vs Ex Machina Pulsar Which would be more suitable for Trap, Hip Hop or a more bass heavy genre?
@EdThorne 5 ай бұрын
They both crank well beyond what you’d be mixing at. The PSIs go down to 30Hz at -10dB. Pulsars are pretty much a steep roll off at 40.
@titua1288 5 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Thank you!
@prodby_rale5218 8 ай бұрын
psi 23 :) but I'm really curious why and how they compare to Mum8. Mum8 on paper have crazy drivers but sure It's not all about drivers
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
The PSIs were definitely in the top three!
@natdenchfield8061 8 ай бұрын
My take is that the Hypex DSP is possibly a bit dated.. it uses a miniUSB socket, which IMO dates it to being several years old in design. Should Hypex update their range, the MUM-8 might get even better!
@SirDolittle 8 ай бұрын
The drivers are important (and PSI have very good in-house made drivers too) but how you integrate them with the crossover can make them shine or break them. PSI have a highly overengineered crossover, where there is a compensation circuit for everything. On the old website there was a step-response graph that showed they can actually reproduce a squarewave, which is normally impossible with a normal 4th order Crossover, especially an analog one.
@richertz 8 ай бұрын
KZfaq thumbnail award goes to......
@albertorolon137 8 ай бұрын
PSI AUDIO A25-M
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
I didn’t try the 25s but the 23s were definitely in my top 3!
@ayoubmisbah2190 7 ай бұрын
Do you use a sub with this monitors ?
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
I’ve just got a pair. Still getting used to them and Trinnov
@9-mastering 8 ай бұрын
So from your list wich is second and third?
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Good question. 1. PSI. 2. Ex Machina. 3. MUM8. I’d only managed to hear the Ex Machina’s after my MUM8 interview and I’d bought the PSIs though.
@9-mastering 7 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne so that means you heard the ex machines last but placed them second. Correct? I don’t know why but I feel like the mum8 and ex machina are not quite in the same ballpark. Would you say the ex machina are more true to the source in terms of clarity, sound and dynamic resolution? I am looking into a new pair of monitors for mastering purposes and although I would have loved to have the Dutch & duch 8c for that, they are to far out of reach right now. But from what I’ve heard from atc, barefoot, KsD to neumann and Kii three the 8c are the best. So after watching all your podcast it got me very intrigued how these new bad boys compete in an already saturated monitor market. And, don’t ask me why, but the mum8 are freaking nice. And for that price tag it’s really unbelievable. The question is do and can they deliver like the others for mastering? Thanks for your time and sorry for this long post.
@jimjones1505 5 ай бұрын
Have u tried the ATC a25 s
@EdThorne 5 ай бұрын
Never heard of them 😉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZaKabiqyqfIpGg.html
@jamesmansion2572 5 ай бұрын
Interesting that none of these speakers seem to have any baffle step correction, let alone an adjustable one. Also I take issue with time alignment delay needing additional A/D and D/A. If the crossover is alreadty in the digital domain, delays are simply signal buffering.
@EdThorne 5 ай бұрын
That’s why I chose the all analog PSIs.
@jamesmansion2572 5 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Sorry, that doesn't follow. Speakers that have flat frequency response when close to a wall have drooping bass if in free space, and vice versa. Proximity to desk and monitor will complicate things. I guess none of them allow a direct digital feed over USB from the DAW, an dcut out its D/A stage? Probably still get resampling in the crossover but it seems that ASRCs can have very good performance now. That you dislike DSP and then choose a room corrector is also a bit weird to me, but there we go. Still, your money and your choice. I had speakers with the ATC mids in nearly 40 years ago - they were ProAcs and I got them second hand. As far as I know, the guy I sold them to has given them to his son, who still uses them. I can't help feeling that technology has moved on though - interesting that the bass/mid crossover point have risen for these domes though, even into a range where vocal fundamentals are.
@johnwet6969 8 ай бұрын
Did you tried completely analog Focal Trio 11be or new Trio 6?
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
3:20
@johnwet6969 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne Don’t understand.
@dudemcgee256 8 ай бұрын
@@johnwet6969 He's saying that the Focal are significantly worse than the PSI speakers. Totally different price/product range. Focal are cheap speakers by comparison and by comparison they sound cheap. I'm sure they are fine speakers, but there is levels to everything.
@johnwet6969 7 ай бұрын
@@dudemcgee256 In which time he said that top Focal speakers are bad and cheap products? Maybe I’m deaf. Are you talking about 38kg Trios 11 be, with “cheap” beryllium tweeters developed for £160k Utopia towers? Trios with analog “G” class amplifiers instead of usual noisy D class amplifiers in many other expensive monitors? Did you see drivers from PSI?
@dudemcgee256 7 ай бұрын
@@johnwet6969 He said ANY speaker that costs 50% less doesn't compete at all. He nor I ever said that Focal speakers are cheap and bad. I'm sure they are fine, they just aren't as good as the PSI. They shouldn't be since the Focal costs 50% less. than the PSI. You are putting words in both of our mouths because you have an obvious bias towards Focal. You're completely ignorant on the subject while claiming all of these things about class d amps and tweeters. From PSI website: Feature Overview Tweeter unit handmade by PSI Audio Flat frequency response Optimized directivity by phase coherency Class-G low-temperature amplifier stage You're complaining that the PSI doesn't have a class G amp when it does. You have no idea what kind of tweeter the PSI has, yet the Focal is better. The plain simple truth is, there are levels to everything. The Focal Trio 11 is a great mid price monitor. The PSI is a much better and higher priced product in a completely different category and is better in every conceivable way. What is funny to me is you're asking Ed what he tried and he told you. And for some reason you aren't satisfied with that so you wanna argue. If you disagree then that's fine. Use the Focals and be happy in your life.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Which Speakers Do YOU Think I Chose?
@martijn_nl 8 ай бұрын
99% sure it's the MUM8's beryllium. I am sure Mark, James and their cat have convinced you!
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
They were definitely in the top 3!
@albertorolon137 8 ай бұрын
PSI AUDIO A25-M
@martijn_nl 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne If i am right hopefully Mark will offer me a discount 😉
@natdenchfield8061 8 ай бұрын
I think you accidentally revealed by inference in the Pulsar additional vid! You gave your reason why you stuck with your winner here, instead of retruning them and moving to the Pulsars .. and the reason could only apply to one single model ..
@MrMCZ13 4 ай бұрын
Why not psi a25m? They are also almost 10k
@EdThorne 4 ай бұрын
Space and size. I'm using them as nearfields atm.
@gaboonschoolofmusic9848 7 ай бұрын
I wish they can improve the look of these speakers....to match their incredible sound...very boring to look at them for any length of time
@EdThorne 7 ай бұрын
Haha. They’re even worse in Maroon 🤣 I like them. They’re beefy and look like they mean business.
@huberttorzewski 8 ай бұрын
Let's do a mix challenge. Me on 3x cheaper speakers and ITB vs you hybrid and on these PSIs :) The same song, the same files (can be your files), no drum samples or the same drum samples for both. Could be fun for a future video on your channel if you want to do it of course
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
This sounds like it comes from an aggressive place... This is also exactly what Paul and I do on the @WorkingAudioTools podcast. I’m not against the idea btw. DM me on Instagram and let’s chat
@huberttorzewski 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne nothing aggressive here, sorry if you felt offended - I'm not a native English speaker so I might say something that can sound weird for you without even realizing it. Sure, I'll write you on Instagram from my recording studio account
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
All good, Hubert 🙂🤘
@valium-fm7236 8 ай бұрын
I hope that price is for the pair 🤣
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
OMG, imagine if it wasn’t? 🤣 No chance. That price is for the pair, yes.
@valium-fm7236 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne 😂🤣
@gigifara9312 8 ай бұрын
your speakers are setup incorrectly. the tweeter should be on the outside and the woofers should be on the inside.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
Not according to my PSI distributor… Also, it’s totally depends on listening position. This is the optimal set up for close seating.
@justlooking813 8 ай бұрын
As of 22:45 PST on Nov 3, 2023, it appears you have tipped your hand and shown what you chose in your "Read More" section drop down.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
You have a keen eye to spot that amongst the affiliate links. Have deleted. Thanks.
@justlooking813 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne ;-) You're welcome! I'm interested to hear a deeper take on phase linearity in conjunction with the size of the sweet spot in your chosen unit and/or top three units. I'm curious why a fully concentric offering like the Genelec Ones was so easily unconsidered in this line-up. Having personally heard both your chosen unit and the Genelec's, I will agree your chosen unit does sound better. I was not able to fully explore the scope of the Genelec's physical coverage area or acoustic capacity, however, as my demo never deployed the SAM processing.
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
I find the Genelecs lispy and harsh in the top end. They’re very good but clinical speakers. The sweet spot on my new speakers is very broad. I have Trinnov on the way which basically makes the whole room a listening area 🤘
@justlooking813 8 ай бұрын
@@EdThorne I wish you the best. Your monitoring will be stunning. Which Trinnov do you intend to integrate?
@martijn_nl 8 ай бұрын
@@justlooking813 mentioning Trinnov Ed’s choice may be the PSI’s. So it’s either MUM-8 or PSI !! Looking forward to the reveal!
@epweiland 5 ай бұрын
You must not be married! :} LOL
@EdThorne 5 ай бұрын
Ha. And no kids. I’m fitting out the studio before all that happens.
@jontshyza 8 ай бұрын
I bet there Mums
@EdThorne 8 ай бұрын
They were in my final three, that's for sure!
@1337murk 8 ай бұрын
They're *. And yep, I bet they're MUM's also
@natdenchfield8061 8 ай бұрын
It's not "they're" , it's "there be" - he's a pirate, oo-arr!
@1337murk 8 ай бұрын
LOL@@natdenchfield8061
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