Punch turns (Hughes vs. McDavid) | Journey to mechanics mastery

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2 жыл бұрын

Follow along with me on my journey to skating mechanics mastery in episode one covering my punch turns, including appearances from Quinn Hughes and Connor Mcdavid.
This series will detail how I’m going to better my hockey game by mastering my skating and puck control using the downhill skating system versus, commonly taught power skating.
It will include my: Practice plans, thoughts, feeling while performing the mechanics, cues I'm working on, NHL comparisons, and anything and everything related to my progress towards mastering.
I struggle with many of the common things most hockey and ice skaters do, so by watching this series you will not only see my progress but will also have valuable lessons and cues that you can take to progress your own hockey game.
Shoutout to my coach, Coach Frank at Train 2.0 who will be providing me with most of the upcoming cues in this series.
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@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

I realized I teased the cue that helped me but I've yet to make a video on it. So here it is. The cue is to crank the back hip/leg around. When my feet widen post punch two things happened. One is the front foot shoots forward like I mentioned in the video, but the second is that the back foot always lags behind. Cranking the back hip around will prevent the back foot from lagging and catch up to the front foot which results in the feet begin much more narrow. However, the root of the "problem" is the front. The further the front foot shouts forward the more you have to crank the back hip around in order to catch it which is not ideal. So, although this cue is really helpful, the front foot shooting forward needs to be addressed first. Maintaining shin angle seems to be the key to keeping the front foot from going forward (although I can't say I've been able to execute on that yet). I hope this is helpful Thanks for watching!

@Hockey_nerd 11 ай бұрын

What do you mean by “cranking the back hip/leg around”? Could you explain it in an easier way? I’m from Norway so I’m not the best at English. It is also hard to find anything about this on the internet.

@TheDownhillSkater 11 ай бұрын

@@Hockey_nerd Ya, no problem! essentially it means twisting or rotating your hips. so the back hip would be the back leg (inside edge) and you want to try to whip it around the turn as fast as possible. If you can turn your back hip around faster, you'll turn tighter. I'm thinking of making a video on 5 tips to turn tighter and this would be one of them. So I'll go more in depth there with visual examples.

@Hockey_nerd 11 ай бұрын

@@TheDownhillSkater thanks a lot bro 🤩

@RaphaelKaufmann Жыл бұрын

Hi, I really appreciate your humility and your eagerness to improve your skills. Your content is of hight quality. It addresses issues that a lot of players have. Thanks for all the good work!

@TheDownhillSkater Жыл бұрын

Thank you Raphael, I'm just trying to be the best I can be and help others along the way!

@sebastienperreault.15 2 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting what you say about the outside edge of your right foot. I have the same problem when I’m on rollerblades but I’m very comfortable on both outside edges when I’m on the ice. I look forward to watching this series in its entirety!

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you top shelf! Ya it has a lot to do with being comfortable on your edges.

@aseltzer22 2 жыл бұрын

This is AWESOME Spencer! Great job bud

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Means a lot

@hockeyhacks2.0 2 жыл бұрын

This is GOLDEN!

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Excited for the rest of the series. Good stuff coming!

@johnslade9358 2 жыл бұрын

What an awesome video! I love they way you breakdown the mechanics frame by frame. New subscriber.

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words and support!

@GregKischer 2 жыл бұрын

This is fantastic. Subscribed with the bell, as I look forward to tracking this more.

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Greg! Really appreciate the support!

@samlira9639 Жыл бұрын

Spencer I’m new to your videos. Your videos are the best! Finally we’re talking about mechanics and not just highlight videos of pros. McDavid has mastered (amongst other things) the under push. His lead foot is kept tight under his body and quickly switches to the incredible under push he has that pivots his back foot and body over into a semi cross over with tons of speed and push. Most players slow down in cut backs or punch turns because they’re sort of braking and bleeding off speed, but McDavid can keep up his speed because of his incredible under push. Hughes is great and is the classic punch turn we all know but we’re now teaching kids that lead leg under push that looks more like Conner’s.

@TheDownhillSkater Жыл бұрын

Thanks Sam! So true, McDavid has taken skating to another level and kids are starting to catch on. I can’t wait to see what the next generation looks like!

@Sprotard 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome videos

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you're enjoying the videos. Let me know if there is anything specific you want to see.

@Jakuby21 4 ай бұрын

What drills did you practice and which one did you realize helped the most with your knob side outside edge? I'm a righty and I've noticed something similar, and every time I attempt a left foot (knob side) punch turn, I end up in a 10&2 position.

@eoinkirwan1635 Жыл бұрын

Trying to get the hang of this in beginner stage and trying to figure out where to apply pressure and weight distributions. From clips it seems most of the snow comes from the heel, is this where to apply pressure? Ive been told mid steel? Thanks for your help!

@TheDownhillSkater Жыл бұрын

Good question! Typically you’ll slide and spray snow near the toe/mid blade, (similar to a regular stop) and you then get your weight to your heel for the actual turn. If you have other questions let me know!

@ShanahanSport 2 жыл бұрын

cool

@aryehh7128 10 ай бұрын

I might have this weakness, but I don't have anybody to point it out for me. By the way, I've nerver quite understood the differetnt use cases of a punch turn versus a heel plant. While I'm asking, does a heel plant sort of drag o nthe ice, or is it supposed to be pressed hard enough down that it's like a planted pole? Is that even possible?

@TheDownhillSkater 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the question! The two distinctions I make when it comes to turns is 1. A punch turn 2. A glide turn A punch turn you are sliding and straying snow on the outside edge before turning. Vs a glide turn you don’t. You ride the edges the entire time. I think, the heel plant turn your referring to is more similar to a glide turn. In terms of use, The punch turn is a tighter turn. And can be done a very high speeds. however, you lose speed as you slide The glide turn is more of a little wider turn but you don’t lose as much speed. I think the heel plant your referring to is from Itrain hockey and from what I’ve seen is not a mechanic that is used my the best players, so I wouldn’t think about it too much. Check out my short on the outside edge roll in the fundamental mechanics playlist for a little more on the glide turn.

@sebastienperreault.15 2 жыл бұрын

When you punch, are you spraying snow on your outside edge or inside edge and then rolling to your outside?

@TheDownhillSkater 2 жыл бұрын

Good question. Outside edge.

@sebastienperreault.15 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks you! I think I've been doing punch turns the wrong way

@loganwestbrook1149 Жыл бұрын

looks like you are punching with the front foot outside-edge, more towards the heel - is this correct?

@TheDownhillSkater Жыл бұрын

Hi Logan, typically you punch near the ball of your foot/ mid blade with your front foot outside edge, and then rock your weight back to your heel. Although in rare occasions you might punch towards the heel

@yuri.frolov Жыл бұрын

If your 'front foot' (the foot further from the centre of circle) 'shoots forward and gets really wide', it means your 'front foot' is too straight. Bend it in the knee and sit deeper. Drop your mass centre lower :-)

@Hockey_nerd 11 ай бұрын

3:38 what do you mean by collapsing the ankle to the heel?

@TheDownhillSkater 11 ай бұрын

There’s two components to the front foot outside edge on the punch turn. The slide and then the bite (glide). When your ankle goes from the slide to the glide, it has to relax and collapse to the outside edge for the edge to catch. At the same time you’re getting your weight to the heel. So your ankle collapses and weight goes to the heel. Hope that helps!

@Hockey_nerd 11 ай бұрын

@@TheDownhillSkater helps a lot bro, thanks 🙏

@caileme Жыл бұрын

re your comment in this vid where you talk about not getting on your outside edge as you turn right, the reason why is your bio mechanics, you pronate. This is what is stopping you getting on an outside edge, if you watch your vid slowly you can also clearly see the pronation at work on your inside edge (even in your latest vids). This is the biggest impact you can have on fixing any skater, fix their pronation and give them neutral alignment in the ankle, you can give all the tips in the world but if the ankle is caving inwards they will never ever be able to do any drill to a mastered stage. One simple exercise to fix pronation and dramatically improve your skating, if you want to know more send a reply.

@TheDownhillSkater Жыл бұрын

I hear what your saying, although, from what I've learnt, felt and seen from the best players is probation is desired. Watch Mcdavid, Mack, Hughes .... they all pronate their ankles on the inside edge. (Not all the time but most of the time) The question is can you control it. Can you go from a max pronated ankle to neutral to supinated. That's an elite skater. Being able to pronate and supinate your ankle is what gives you precise control over your movement. Because you can change your arc with a slight movement of your ankle vs having to shift your entire body weight. I'll be doing a full video on ankle "articulation" in the future going more in depth on this topic. But I hope that provides a little insight as to why I pronate my ankles. Although, you could be right that I didn't have the control at this time to pronate & supinate.

@caileme Жыл бұрын

@@TheDownhillSkater That is the million $ question - "can you control it"? According to the APMA, nearly 80% of the population pronate. Based on my many many years of coaching I wouldn't disagree with this figure, I have only come across 2 people who had perfect neutral alignment when they first stepped onto the ice. If you pronate, controlling your degree of pronation in skates is really really difficult (go for a skate with your laces undone to see how much pronation is really affecting you) which is why I prefer to teach skaters how to not pronate. Only once they have realigned the heel bone and learned the required muscle memory to remain in neutral alignment can you begin to introduce the concept of controlled pronation. There are many elite skaters who hardly pronate at all, from a purely technical and bio mechanical viewpoint Besa Tsintsadze would be one of my favourites. fwiw - I used to be a severe pronator, over 22 degrees in both feet, I'm now completely neutral and my skating has gone to levels I never knew I could reach. I'm enjoying your vids and seeing your progress, keep it up.