SK PISTOL MATCH VERUS SK PISTOL MATCH SPECIAL; MATCH AMMO BATTLE 12

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CZ 457 VARMINT MTR 22LR RIFLE Accuracy Testing
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In this video we take the CZ 457 Varmint MTR rifle I personally use for PRS22 competition. We show accuracy out at 50 yards on paper with SK Pistol Match and Pistol Match Special ammunition and talk about the rifle based on my personal experience. We shoot the SK Pistol Match and Pistol Match Special in our 50 yard stock match ammo test with a stock CZ 457 MTR.
Benefits to the 457 MTR over a traditional 457 rifle is the Turkish walnut stock with plastic pillars as well as the very accurate match chamber barrel.
00:00 Intro
00:38 Explanation of process
01:38 SK Pistol Match groups
06:10 SK Pistol Match Special groups
11:35 Group results
12:04 Updated Leaderboard

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@malcolmgary1086 Жыл бұрын

Your presentations are much appreciated. You provide the information via tests, and I gain the experience via your efforts.

@PursuitofAccuracy Жыл бұрын

Thanks I appreciate it

@charlesfitzgerald6095 2 жыл бұрын

WOW! I have always paid the extra buck or two for the "Special", now I need a brick of the Pistol Match to see how my CZ 457MTR & Tikka T1x like it! Great video , very eye opening. But you have to remember we are dealing with 22lr. Every barrel reacts differently to different lots of the same brand let alone different brands.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are exactly right

@70willard 2 жыл бұрын

Great video . It was surprising to see the difference in the special and you could here the difference in your video now and then on the speed . Thanks again for the vid it sure does help for people looking to find a few good types of ammo to try when they get there cz

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Willard, always appreciate your comments and support

@tc2540 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing the SK comparison.

@MariuszNmntechcom 2 жыл бұрын

Great video mate 👍 My Tikka T1x shoots extremely well with SK Pistol Match. It's a great quality ammo 👌.

@Threegunmaster 2 жыл бұрын

I've got a Tikka T1x that is insanely accurate with Lapua pistol king ,I've got 6 boxes of the SK pistol match special but I've not tried it yet. Thanks for another great video.

@CHenry1951 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks,

@barrydanick2851 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Josh. This is a comparison I was wanting to do myself.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate ya Barry

@terrykleypas50 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Josh. Really like the way you show group size while shooting. I agree, the Special sounded louder and less consistent.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry!

@holdleftedgeandsendit9351 2 жыл бұрын

great video Josh thx

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it brother

@nelsonm5032 9 ай бұрын

my 457 likes regular pistol match the best. then long range match, followed by rifle match…. thx for the great video!

@Dwayne7834 2 жыл бұрын

Good shooting. I saw some of this ammunition for sale online. Didn’t know how it would shoot out of a rifle.

@aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Josh Interesting video as always Mate , can’t wait to see the final shoot off between the leaders , Steve from Australia .

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve. Hope you boys are doing good on that side of the pond

@ccwilder3 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ccwilder

@sofjanmustopoh7232 2 жыл бұрын

Also one more thing I observe in SK Pistol Match. Pistol match bullet. Has a low BC And it is specialized for 50 yards. On my Ruger precision Rimfire with Lilja, CZ457 LRP and KIDD 10/22 It will do consistently 0.3s inch It has lower drop at 100 yards. The low BC really hurt SK pistol match for longer distance. If it is available right now , I’ll buy couple cases just for 100 yards n less shooting Thank you Josh for the video . See you on Facebook

@SixOFord 2 жыл бұрын

Last group of the special, 3 good shots, 4 and 5, off to never never land lol. Never fails.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah haha. They always get ya

@msi1985 2 жыл бұрын

They had bricks of each on sale for black Friday so I went for it! Now we wait for more shipping

@davewhiteman7723 2 жыл бұрын

I don't get to shoot very often but, watching you really makes me want too, even if it's only with my unspecial 22's and, questionable amo.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@zilvip1016 9 ай бұрын

This is not an ammunition test, but a cannonball test.

@PursuitofAccuracy 9 ай бұрын

Uhm ok lol

@romeobravo2023 2 жыл бұрын

Salut Josh, With your very successful results with the SK range of ammo and your superb shooting with your CZs, I now reckon both SK and CZ will want you as their US ambassador. Regards Robert

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that Robert but I dont think I have to worry about either of the two trying to make any deals with a small youtuber like me. Bigger fish to fry haha

@romeobravo2023 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy If they made an offer to "Bigger Fish" they could/would rightly be accused of "commercialism", however if they make an offer to new "talent" they would get a "double whammy result" ...... it is only my way of thinking .... your channel is doing great!

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert I appreciate that. Partnering with a vendor would be a tough decision as I want to remain unbiased as i can be to keep everything as critical as possible when looking at new equipment and ammo.

@oldglock3903 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video. In my 455 go SK Pistol very goot!

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Thanks

@goldenkangaroo4969 Жыл бұрын

After round 30 your barrel was heating up👍

@ImNobody-1 2 жыл бұрын

Pistol match is standars, spezial is little bit more power for semiauto problems.

@ffrank7905 2 жыл бұрын

That was a great ammo test. Had not it been for that 1 flyer could've taken 1st place. So what ammo will be next on the list? Once again nice shooting Josh. can't wait for the finally shoot off and see which ammo will be #1. to keep the series going, you should do the top 5 for the shoot off. the tie breaker should be 150 yard KYL test...LOL

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Frank. I think im gonna put a pole up and see what everyone wants to see for the last 3 before the finale. Lots of people have asked for r50 and gold medal ultra match

@brianmoore1164 2 жыл бұрын

Still hoping Federal Premium Gold Medal Match makes it into the test.

@OrangesmokeM7 2 жыл бұрын

Just found your channel few days ago and subbed right away. I ordered a cz 457 vpt yesterday. 👍 Have you tried any wolf ammo in your cz?

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Orange, i appreciate the support. I have shot some wolf through the cz and it was decent. Every barrel is different so definitely worth trying in your new cz

@loupuleff571 2 жыл бұрын

I just did some testing a bunch of 22 lr ammo with my freedom arms pistol the sk pistol match special shot the best so I bought 2500 rounds of the same lot i was testing I guess point is ammo shoots differently in different guns. I wonder if he reshot that test with the special first maybe the barrel will be a bit cooler ?

@boosted2813 2 жыл бұрын

harmonics

@timvest8141 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping the Pistol Match Special would fare better. I just bought a couple of boxes so maybe my Ruger Precision Rimfire will like it.

@johnpeek8644 2 жыл бұрын

I’m enjoying the comparisons. I’d be interested to see how RWS rifle match would do. My T1x likes it the best of anything I have tried so far. It also is not really expensive.

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

The rws50 is for sale on anshultz website but it’s high dollar

@johnpeek8644 2 жыл бұрын

@@6creeder688 I bought the RWS rifle match for $6.99 and $8.99 per box

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnpeek8644 the RWS 50 is priced like tenex

@christophedassonville34 2 жыл бұрын

I love your work. If you can find them, try the RWS R 50 the RWS R 100, best regards from France

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Will see what we can do

@wayneshoemaker493 2 жыл бұрын

Lapua Center X was my go-to 50 &100 meter ammo in the Anschutz 1710 until I tried the RWS R50 & R100. The RWS has shown real potential.

@jwiatrek Жыл бұрын

Your opening bad lounge music is tough to get through... Great video and love you channel.

@PursuitofAccuracy Жыл бұрын

Its gone on all my recent videos, well in the last year

@HSmith-uk9hl Жыл бұрын

The last four 5 shot groups I shot through my Bergara B14R at 50 yards with Pistol Match Special averaged .389". I frequently shoot scores of 250 on the IBS target using PMS and have shot 500 scores when we shoot two IBS targets. Your comparison tells me only one thing; YOUR rifle likes Pistol Match better than Pistol Match Special. Other rifles might give a different result. Only shooting them will determine which is better in any given rifle.

@PursuitofAccuracy Жыл бұрын

Correct, each rifle will prefer what it prefers.

@garylozowski1419 2 жыл бұрын

Great shooting ! Your shoot a lot and I was wondering if barrel temperature came into play. My barrel feels only warm but how many shots can be fired or what temp does it start to affect accuracy ?

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

It really depends on the barrel. But from what i have seen you would have to be basically shooting non stop to see accuracy fall off. The thinner the barrel the faster that will happen

@msi1985 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think the groups were opening up due to barrel heat? 🤔 Looked like when the bore / barrel had a minute to cool down when you were talking about the audio report difference between the pistol match & pistol match special your last group kind of started to tighten backup but then you had a few wander off. As always great shooting I love these tests!

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

It could have been but it takes a lot to get the barrel hot enough to start losing accuracy

@michaelcunningham6641 Жыл бұрын

The hotter bullet changes the harmonics of the barrel..bullet leaving barrel at different part of the wave of the barrel .get a limbsaver vibration dampener on your barrel ...

@PursuitofAccuracy Жыл бұрын

I dont like adding more variables to the rifle system if I can help it

@891496127 2 жыл бұрын

Really been enjoying these series of videos Question : have you heard anything good or bad about the CA Ranger 22lr? Thanks

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I have not Alexander but you have my interest perked

@OrangesmokeM7 2 жыл бұрын

Do not waste your money. They are horrible

@891496127 2 жыл бұрын

@@OrangesmokeM7 thanks for the heads-up

@mano0183 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying this series. What rear bag are you using? Thanks

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Mini gamechanger. Thanks

@biagiocozza8875 2 жыл бұрын

Great video mate. Just one question. Can you please list all your gear for your CZ 457 MTR? I can see the Arca rail, atlas bipod, scope rail, and scope. But is your trigger stock, did you tune it? Please let me know. The Sk Pistol match is a great round for elr .22

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Everything you mentioned and a yo dave trigger spring and the area 419 scope base

@Mrtwich819 2 жыл бұрын

Pistol match special is a little faster. Surprised to see those results. This year all I’ve shot is the PM special usually running around 1110fps. Hadn’t considered trying just pistol match

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

It was shooting a little faster than the pistol match but yeah the results surprised me as well

@Mrtwich819 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy your making great content. Keep it up. It be nice to see some chrono data to see the sd’s. 50 yards might be good for bench but doesn’t always mean it will hold at 200 yards

@christophedassonville34 2 жыл бұрын

Just for you to know, I'm shooting a CZ 457 LRP with a KRG bravo chassis and Lothar Walther X match barrel. RWS R 50 are the best in my barrel up to 500 meters ( 550 yards I think ), my barrel doesn't like Eley match and Tenex. to 50 meters targets( 55 yards ) it's difficult to see a real difference with match ammos ; If I may , you should do the same tests but in the 100 and 150 yards range ( and even 200 yards if possible ). as an exemple, at 55 yards, my CZ shoots outdoor constantly 0.1 MOA five 10 shoots groups with the SK pistol match and 0.3/0.4 with other match ammos. At 110 yards, the RWS R 50 become the king: 0,3 MOA average for five 10 shoots groups, even better at 150,200 ,300, etc... if you can, grab some R 50's and make a try. Anyway, BRAVO for your videos, Christopher

@sawhill729 2 жыл бұрын

50 yards is not a test.

@danielmastrangelo3778 2 жыл бұрын

My bergara loves pistol match @50yds, hates the special. Im talking double group size and im not "that" bad of a shot 🤣🤣

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i can see that happening for sure

@jodylesniak2523 2 ай бұрын

Josh great job on the video question for 22lr base class cz 457 you using good gun to start with plus what scope you think i need to keep this under 1300 bucks thanks for your help michigan keith

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 ай бұрын

The msrp seem to float around a bit so id say an athlon, arken sh4, or if you can swing it the bushnell match pro ed

@boydsteenblock1328 11 ай бұрын

Hah! At first it sounded like you said that you shot $10 through it .

@mako17cc 2 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that Pistol Match Special is intended to maintain velocities just under the speed of sound with pistols that, of course, have shorter barrel lengths than rifles. It will also give a boost to operating semi-auto actions. When firing from a rifle, you may be on the edge of going super sonic where some shots do and some don't. This could be causing the difference you hear and the opening of the groups. It may be useful as a cool weather round if they all stay sub-sonic, or out of shorter barreled rifles. You are also only testing one sample which may not be well suited to your gun. I have a couple rifles that shoot Special as well as Rifle Match, so in my opinion, it is still one to consider when you are looking for the right ammo to match a new gun.

@michaelcunningham6641 Жыл бұрын

Your 100%right !!!!

@rhamm76 2 жыл бұрын

I know you have said in a previous video but what is the rail and bipod you run?

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

12" universal area 419 rail and atlas bt46

@JohnSmith-ji4vk 2 жыл бұрын

What is the hole in the stock about 3-4 inches from the front used for?

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Its a qd mount i installed so i can attach a sling

@radiusaston 2 жыл бұрын

Great video but note my CZ457 varmint shoots the SK match Special better. If you re watch the video you might notice the wind flag on the tree was blowing to the left much harder on the match special. Luv to hear your comments! Enjoy your videos! ;< )

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I tested it a few more times and mine didnt prefer the special. Every barrel is going to be different though

@capomand45 2 жыл бұрын

How about some RWS R50 and Lapua OSP Pistol ? Both shoot .335 or better in my CZ MTR MANNERS/Atlas bipod.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Will see what we can get. Hard to get ammo currently

@alessandrobaldi1423 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Interesting, but: have you tried the Czechoslovakian Seller Bellot Club 22 lr, they seem very performing and low cost.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I havent tried it yet

@sofjanmustopoh7232 2 жыл бұрын

The “Special” has extra powder to give it more pop n extra muzzle velocity in the rimfire pistol. This mirror my experience. SK PM is better than SK PM Special

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Right on. Glad im not alone

@TheWheels1965 2 жыл бұрын

Its special because it is "special" cheers

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha

@chrisdikovics3580 2 жыл бұрын

Seems that the groups opened up as the barrel heated and fouled JMO

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I see that sometimes but its unlikely. Those barrels dont even get very warm shooting subsonics at that rate. Barrel gets hotter then that sitting in the sun at matches in the summer here

@anthonykhalil70 2 жыл бұрын

Alot of guys swear by the special pistol. Didn't work for me. But good comparison.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i was surprised

@wayneshoemaker493 2 жыл бұрын

Had the same results from three different rifles tested.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i believe it

@Quick191 2 жыл бұрын

Do you ever get the chance to Chrony the ammo? Would be good to see what speeds the Pistol Match and Match Special get in a rifle length barrel.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I dont typically chrono ammo as i tend to get too wrapped up in the sd's and es

@Quick191 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy Yeah Thats fine. I was more interested in what speed the pistol specific ammo does in a rifle length barrel. Its rated at around 950fps in 6in barrel but would be interesting to see what its doing in a 20in.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

@@Quick191 my guess based on the drop would be 1000-1080 fps

@Quick191 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy cheers mate. That answers my question. Keep it up. Love ya videos.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

@@Quick191 thanks for the support and comments

@mikebooysen3678 2 жыл бұрын

If you harmonically tune the barrel all of the ammo will be much better! You are assuming the ammo is the only variable. Look into centre fire barrel tuning with the likes of an EC Tuner. All you need is ammo that has a good BC and has a low velocity standard deviation. I harmonically tune slugs in my airguns and get amazing results. It's not the ammo! It's the harmonic tune of the specific load you are shooting!

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you but there is a lot of sd in rimfire ammo. While i have seen improvements with tuners the most accurate rimfire rifles i have ever seen were rifles that were lot tested for and run no tuner. Not saying a tuner doesnr work, but with the right ammo a tuner isnt necessary

@mikebooysen3678 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks for the reply... I guess there are a few ways to arrive at the desired result. The SD of rimfire is indeed not as consistent. Either way, it is a different perspective. Your channel is really great. Appreciate the effort! Cheers from South Africa

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikebooysen3678 yes sir. Thanks for watching and the comment

@radiusaston 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, meant to the right!

@robbo4858 2 жыл бұрын

If you were to get a different lot number of the same ammo and ran the same test you would get different results. : )

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

With rimfire ammo........yes and no. Ive found different lots shoot very close and some vary quite a bit lot to lot.

@paprecisiontv1635 Жыл бұрын

Just an idea but what about some sorted cci green tag?

@QuebecRFSclan 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do agila match ammo like super prime blue box for the money they are good

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I will see whats on the shelf

@QuebecRFSclan 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy you see agila in Canada are more available then eley lapua or sk for some reason... hey Also do your like the realy hight end stuff from lapua la midnas+ or X-act ??

@DaMadMardigan 2 жыл бұрын

You need a silencer, you could tell if they was going super sonic.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I can tell without a silencer as well. Its really obvious when they do go super sonic

@visiter127 2 жыл бұрын

Be worth batching these by rinthinknrss I bet u get tighter

@FlyRiverFly 2 жыл бұрын

couple of Quick Thoughts. Some of your other videos seemed to be only a single ammo being tested vs two in this video. While I dont think it is intentionally biased, but I do think it could make a difference in this test. Assuming each ammo is tested on its own, there is not a significant heating of the barrel or significant fouling on the second ammo test because you cap it at 25-35 rounds. Assuming that there is also limited fatigue on the shooter. The fact that you immediately started shooting the Match Special means as an ammo, the test is starting a different point with a warmer barrel, more fouling (even if it is the same ammo manufacturer) and the shooter had shot more rounds. I did notice that the last two groups of SK Pistol Match began to open up and then the SK Pistol Match Special consistently opened up more each group leading me to believe it could be shooter fatigue or rifle fouling or both. The fact that the last 7 groups continuously got bigger did not indicate to me it was the ammo itself but rather something else.

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

I see what your saying but that barrel isnt even starting to warm up at 25 rounds. I havent found barrel heat to be an issue as ive shot the best groups out of that barrel in all different stages of barrel heating. The barrel is probably hotter sitting in the sun at a prs match than it gets in the shade with 30 or so rounds through the rifle.

@MickeyOPhilosophos 6 ай бұрын

Why do you use "pistol match" instead of "rifle match"?

@PursuitofAccuracy 6 ай бұрын

Lots of guys had sucess with it so i tested it

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

Flyer lol that was you not the ammo

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

That stuff shoots lights out

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Im shooting off of a concrete bench with a rear bag and an atlas bipod out front......if i pulled the shot i would have said so.......i have nothing to gain from making any of this looking better or worse than it actually does.

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

I understand lol, we shoot off concrete benches and mechanical rest with benchrest rear bags and still pull shots with a 6oz trigger, not saying it’s not possible but I see it all the time, bad trigger squeeze and it’s off and y’all don’t shoot lite triggers

@6creeder688 2 жыл бұрын

Your definitely good at the game for sure I suck at PRS type shooting but a bench I know what’s going on, we have the honor is shooting with a benchrest .22 10x champion and watching him shoot is a work or art, gotta watch the wind, wind makes a shot, you don’t wanna go head to head on 50yd groups with him

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

@@6creeder688 i definitely pull shots from time to time but with the setups we run, heavy rifle and sub 1lb triggers, its pretty obvious when you do jerk it. Either way, I appreciate the comment and you supporting us gun tubers

@JT-py9lv 2 жыл бұрын

My rifle shoots best With Federal Ultra Match UM22

@luisabellon5869 2 жыл бұрын

Why test a pistol round with a rifle?

@PursuitofAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Luis, first thanks for the comment. With rimfire match ammo its pretty common to test both the rifle and pistol ammo in a rifle. While specifically developed for pistols it often shoots as good, if not better, than rifle match ammo.

@luisabellon5869 2 жыл бұрын

@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks for the feedback.