If the Shaman rework hits, this is going to be the best Expansion ever by far.

its 5000 honor for the 3 vault slots, not 15000

MoP last season gearing was perfect to me. PvP gear in every slot was BiS, there was only 1 ilvl (no rating reqs), and was only gated by weekly conquest cap, which eventually allowed you to grind out the entire set via catchup cap. You level a toon, equip purples, have fun, level another. Plus the 2200 deep deep red super bright wep enchant is unquestionably the best enchant ever created

I’m probably the epitome of mid casual player I am a parent of two young children with a third on the way they have made making alts way easier, but I’m still a kind of one toon person. The only thing about the game that I don’t like is the seasonal reset for gear with everything that you have to do in an expansion just to get a full set of decent gear. Only to have to go through the entire process all over again in 4 to 6 weeks. I have been really interested in trying my hand at PVP, but that would only mean a second full set of gear that I would have to grind out every season. Kind of hoping they implement some system where in an expansion, you accumulate a full set of decent gear and you can just upgrade that set from season to season rather than having to put an entire set back together again, but don’t know maybe I’m speaking for vast minority being a parent takes up a lot of time and energy lol

For starters, these are fantastic changes. However, unless I missed something, this doesn't entirely remove the friction between pve and pvp gearing. We still need to invest catalyst charges into pvp and pve gear. If they somehow separate the charges, I'd be a very happy camper.

Between this and the mythic + changes Im honestly speechless

I do both PvP and pve do I need to choose where to spend my spark first? Cause this was time gated. If I craft item with PvP embellishment I am gonna fall behind at pve. Does this change is tww?

The increased drop chance on socket item should be increased for healers, making healing more attractive!

warband should be a group of 5 classes of our account working together and gathering all the recourses into 1 bank and 1 chest. like doenst matter what class you play , if it belongs to a warband the honor we do with that class should go into a special *chest* or *currency* that other class can use it if you dont pvp with it! instead paying 3k honor to buy a token that give you 2500 honor for alts! all in warband should be 100% plus resources

I always just make sure to do enough bgs and skirms when levelling. So i have honor cap at max level and can get honor gear instantly. Its so much less tilting that getting honor at max level

I have a job. Time gated things kept me from worrying much about missing out on how much time I could put into the game. Now after I get off work I'm back to worrying about being 1 shot from some nerd who spent an entire week of arena without logging off.

They might be adding in the high honor cost for socketing due to the solo q RBG? Who knows!

4:50 I could see not having sockets on honor gear being both good and bad. On one hand, it gives you an advantage/stay relevant in power as the season progresses. On the other hand, it gives you an even greater advantage if you have more time/farmed more honor. It is doubly bad if you're like me who won't be starting in the beginning of the season, so the disadvantage will be even greater than just having a way to have my sockets crafted or fighting pvpers with socketed conquest gear vs just having basic honor gear. To that end, I hope there will be an expedited honor/conquest catch-up system later on during the season.

My friends telling me Blizzard listened and there’s no BS Ion time sink systems slapped on top of the game anymore. Blizzard: “remember how sockets worked when they were introduced? LMAO us too. Unfortunately we need you to farm them now for our metrics.”

Will double dps 2s be back in war within? Or will it be impossinle to beat healer dps as double dps again...

great changes!

my fav was back in pandaria. you had honor gear and conquest. with current system.. well i dont do ranked so everyone always ends up more geared then me and it sucks in world pvp even regular bgs.

I, for one, think what they did is great and looking forward to this "effort based" gearing. I understand where Supatease is coming from but I don't agree with him on this one with letting them only let us socket conquest gear and honor gear for the sole purpose that it is now encouraged to play pvp to get stronger in pvp. Don't forget that yes in previous expansions you could full gear in 1-2 hours for honor... Then what? Wait a couple of months until we're full conq gear? that's a big time gap with not "earning" gear and pushing it further. In a way, this change will seperate characters who are mains from the alts and you would see that by having those sockets and yes this will reward players who play more on a given alt or play more pvp. I think this system is very fair. Besides, first couple of weeks you would have all honor socketed and one conq which you can socket and week by week you will replace the honor with conq.

If they’re making everything cost honor they need to make it a reward for rated PvP. Add honor = to 1/2 the conquest reward for each activity so we aren’t stuck queing BGs week 3 for sockets

Im just hopping back into the game for the firs time since S1 of SL -- and jfc theres so muchn system, item, and currenct bloat. I feel like i have no idea what anything is.

I know theyd never do it, but i really wish PvP "gear" was like it is in Lost Ark. Everybody just gets the same amount of points to spend on whatever stats they want for a "pvp profile" So for instance, they give everyone the exact same main stat/stamina, then give 15000 points to spend between crit/haste/mastery/vers as you please for your spec. Then you can just wear ur PvE gear all the time and will automatically switch to pvp stats during pvp.

World pvp is the biggest underlying reason why so many people say that they hate PvP all the know is some one or more are probably going to kill then while unaware of their presence( getting ganked) then they do a battle ground one time unfamiliar with surroundings aaaaand just like that they hate PvP

Victory boxes should drop loot and gear possibly, they are pointless at the moment

honor still cap at 15k?

Imo honor at the start is slow but you gonna end up with a lot of extra honor

These changes seem like a net positive. Time will tell but I'm cautiously optimistic. I especially like the honor transfer between warband chars.

you are so right

I’ll come back to retail when they make conquest gear only 1% better than honor/BG gear. I hate how I have to do arenas to have fun in BGs. It’s been awful for 16 years.

Agreed. No sockets on honor gear please, cut out pointless grinding

Honor and conquest should be used for cometic items. And certain ranks. Just make gear free and let people edperiment with w.e they want to make there charcagers play a certain way

No pvp tier sets,no vault for fast gearing,free epic weapons with quest and now farm sockets for honor sound all good? day 1 spend the 15k save honor on the full basic pvp set then start farming sockets then wait and get free epic pvp weapons when you finish quest then just buy gear with conquest.

They need to bring back resilience

It is 5000 honor at the vault to get 3 choices.

Why do the gladiator mounts look like shit though. I mean it’s such a downgrade after shadowlands and df

If they force me to do stuff i dont Like it i want to buy everything i need for honor - i dont want to farm gold grind rep - just do FUN stuff 2024🎉

First for the algorithm gods

I love lamp

If disc doesn't have a stun in this fuckhn Xpack then I'm not playing.

i really want them to let us grind out sockets for honor gear =[ KIND OF WANT TO BUY THE 3 DAYS EARLY NOW 🤔

Cataclysm classic >

Just let honor gear be the max level for unrated pvp like reg bgs & epics. That would be new player & casual friendly

80% conversion rate? Lol wtf even is that? Just have it be B 100% honor literally doesn’t matter at all anymore and gets capped so fast.

Honor and conquest transfer should be 1 to 1

Getting slumped in battlegrounds while your trying to farm your honor gear is just not a good experience. You have a mandatory amount of no fun time for that entire grind. Gear really shouldn't matter at all in pvp.

Seeing the M+ changes and this crafting crap just makes me lose all hope for any chance of PvP revamp....remember the dude in charge of PvP whom Venruki and others interviewed was a clueless legend. No doubt we got to read all this garbage... We need Honor/Conquest account wide and nothing to do with this crafting crap...moreover they need to completely revamp titles and achievements and seggregate Arena/Blitz/RBGs....last but not the least, they need to address the surplus sea of vicious saddles before anything else....

What in the fuck are you talking about 15,000 honor x 8 slots? do you seriously think its going to cost 120,000 honor for sockets?

What does this mean for people like myself who have deleted their entire character roster, uninstalled the game and unsubbed from WoW for the rest of their lives who refuse to play the game ever again?

if you play rated bgs gear doesnt even matter