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PWM Frequency in OLED phones - Everything You Need to Know.. What You Can Do?
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@3lectronic0 4 ай бұрын
240Hz PWM on Galaxy S23 series destroys your eyes and causes migraine. The most expensive brands, Samsung, iPhone, Google pixels have the worst PWM. On the other hand, Chinese brands have 1920Hz, 2160Hz, that is unacceptable.
@Poppingsboi 4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@ameserich 4 ай бұрын
Oled are quite slow compared to regular LED, meaning they cant flicker as much. Some laptop backlight can even flicker at 10khz The best option is to have DC dimming on 101 nits and up and to have 360-720hz PWM on 100 nits and lower. Brightess matters lower brightness PWM would definitely reduce eyestrain... going full DC is not an option as it result on very bad grey scale performance Big brands will probably never try going high 1920hz PWM because its inefficient, worse color and probably lower brightness
@3lectronic0 4 ай бұрын
@@ameserich Xiaomi 13T 2900Hz, Nothing Phone 2A 2160Hz. But Samsung, Pixel, Iphone 240Hz-492Hz.
@DanielJones-ok8cn 4 ай бұрын
You belong to the unfortunate 10% then, my A34 doesn't give me headache or eye strain at all.
@hollowgame 4 ай бұрын
why don't you just share the phones that are usuable for pwm sensitives?
@mysticz5478 2 ай бұрын
Nice video , we need more people to talk about this so the company knows this is an huge issue
@nasz687 2 ай бұрын
Stuck on my iPhone 11 because of this, people be aware!
@viveksabharwal9027 Ай бұрын
Same here
@suzukikawasaki5165 7 сағат бұрын
Ya i can only use older devices as well. Comfortable with A51 Sammy and Pixel 4XL and Note 10+
@Kanton-ip6en Ай бұрын
For everybody who read this, check notebook check pwm list, most of chinese brands lies to you about hight Hz, they have hight only on low 30% brightness in normal 2 times less than samsung s24 or iphone 15
@diztinger 9 сағат бұрын
Don't comment in English ever again, I legit had a stroke reading all this
@VYM Ай бұрын
WTF in 2024 I cannot buy a single IPS display phone???!!! WTF is going on in this world?
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 28 күн бұрын
Yes. It's sad to see all the high end phones have no more LCD options
@roco9504 3 ай бұрын
PWM should be banned goodness. I don’t want to go through all of that . I just want one without it. Anyhow I just got a new phone so I’ll be keeping it until this nonsense is properly solved
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
This is very irritating for sure
@gethealthy7413 4 ай бұрын
I tried an app called OLED saver, you choose and it keep the phone brightness at a higher level pushing the PWM to be higher then it applies a filter on top to control the brightness, honestly it was an improvement on my S22 Ultra. But the best solution is to get a Chinese flagship phone the PWM is insane and using OnePlus, Realme, Xiaomi phones never gave me any headaches or eye fatigue.
@tomsbeingtheleo 2 ай бұрын
As for the first point I figured out putting the screen brightness to the max and using 'reduce white point' as I have an iPhone is kind of working, but it's a trip to activate! I wonder why apple also doesn'thave a separate toggle from the control center for activating Night Shift and the fact it cannot be permanently put on, smh... I'm definetly getting a flagship chinese phone in a few months, it's going to save my eyes from dryness and eye fatigues.
@ariefakmalmuhammadzulkifli7662 2 ай бұрын
I could not find on google play store because it's only support older android version 😢
@sidlawman2 4 ай бұрын
Love the iPhone 15 but after three weeks I had to go back to the LED IPhone 11, I was in serious agony. Just hope the manufacturers do something about this.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
I traded in my 11 to get this😑
@protivliberastov9182 2 ай бұрын
I want to new SE 2024 in IPhone 11 chassis
@user5th Ай бұрын
@sidlawman2 have you tried the white point setting he mentions in this video? i hear that helps immensely.
@viveksabharwal9027 Ай бұрын
@@user5thno it doesn’t help much
@user5th Ай бұрын
@@viveksabharwal9027Wow that's terrible news, thanks for letting me know.
@rishisabharwal4620 29 күн бұрын
the problem is THERE IS NO SINGLE GOOD LCD screen phone left..
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 28 күн бұрын
Exactly... Literally no options left with high end chipset inside
@eldibirting3648 5 күн бұрын
poco x4 gt is ips lcd
@rishisabharwal4620 5 күн бұрын
@@eldibirting3648 poco x4 gt is an old phone now :)
@Poppingsboi 2 ай бұрын
Best video on PWM ... Covered everything.. every aspect of PWM.. pwm is actually bad for us.
@ShawnLangford 3 ай бұрын
Only solution I found was to swap out the OLED with an LCD on a used iPhone 13 (or any iPhone.) Makes no sense to buy new if you’re going to remove OEM parts and replace them with third party parts. Outside of faster battery drain it’s been fine. I’d recommend buying the Plus variant to counteract the higher battery drain wish I would have done that.
@manfc521 3 ай бұрын
Replacing the screen might not be possible, as there could be issues with the interface and dimensions?
@ShawnLangford 3 ай бұрын
@@manfc521 I can tell you it is possible because I did it with my iPhone 13 that I am using to type this message.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
Ultimate solution
@Poppingsboi 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the console complete infos... It's sad that bigger companies aren't so considerate of this problem
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
Yes buddy.. they don't care .
@bryans8653 4 ай бұрын
Great video on this! I hope companies like Samsung and Apple take note of this.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
It's not to good to have these experiences at that high price tag
@henricoloco7864 3 күн бұрын
I bought an OLED Steam Deck and instantly on my first gaming session I got headaches and felt dizzy. I had to sell it at a loss. I use my iPhone 12 a lot at night and I do not get the symptoms. I also got this before with certain CRT monitors back in the day.
@oversoul3482 3 ай бұрын
I’m stuck with a iPhone 15 with PWM. I won’t buy another iPhone until they fix this.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
Do the steps it might help.. it did to me
@GottesPlan1 4 ай бұрын
We need more Videos of this
@suzukikawasaki5165 7 сағат бұрын
I just returned a pixel 6 due to this and a LG oled tv a few years ago. I dont see noticeable flicker i just get eyestrain and pressure in my frontal lobe I have an accute sensitivity, but not to all for example im fine with the Samsung A51, Pixel 4 XL and Note 10+ using eye comfort setting. Anyway would love to learn a fix
@drstay809 2 ай бұрын
OLED is killing your eyes. Threre are less and less phones on LCD screens
@knockdown2000 9 күн бұрын
thx for video, hope for fixing this sh
@loveistheanswer5924 6 күн бұрын
What a the current best smartphones with a good pwm rate? Should I sell my s24 ultra just because of that? The s24 ultra has 480 pwm rate. Is this very bad?
@eldibirting3648 5 күн бұрын
just ask your eyes..is it ok..then its ok
@agimos_art Ай бұрын
Das hast du gut gemacht. Mein Respekt. Es ist wichtig das in die Welt hinauszutragen. Warum implementiert Apple kein PWM-DIMMING?
@BansheeNT-D Күн бұрын
Oder wieso hat es Xiaomi entfernt. Nur noch sowas wie das Xiaomi 14 hat Anti-Flicker mode.. und das kostet mal eben nenn 1000er. 😐
@agimos_art Күн бұрын
@@BansheeNT-D Echt? Wahrscheinlich kostet es zu wohl Geld 😄
@BansheeNT-D Күн бұрын
@@agimos_artUnd LCD Smartphones stellt Xiaomi dieses Jahr auch ein. Gibt dann nur noch OLED. 😐
@warriorcatsfan3.0 6 күн бұрын
I use a samsung x cover 7 with lcd screen. But it still makes me feel a big sick. Like i havd been reading in a car. And my head starts hurting afther a while. Do you think you Can tell why that could happen with a lcd screen please?
@Hemanth_321 2 ай бұрын
Honor magic 6pro is good in market having around 4300 pwm,after using s24u, i got much headache and sleep distrubance so,i recently brought it, i need to test how it is helping me
@viveksabharwal9027 Ай бұрын
So what are your thoughts on magic 6 pro?
@Hemanth_321 Ай бұрын
@@viveksabharwal9027 Hi vivek, Definitely worth to buy if you are looking for eye comfort, I am so satisfied with the phone performance wise and eye health wise
@VYM Ай бұрын
BS. I'm PWM sensitive and ran to check Magic 6 right after it appeared because of 4300Hz PWM. No. Fail. Same eyes pain and headache after 1 minute.
@Hemanth_321 Ай бұрын
@VYM, have you tried enabling the circadian display and setting the night sight to automatic display? I recently conducted a personal experiment, using the Samsung S24U for 15 days and the Honor Magics 6 Pro for another 15 days. Based on my observations, when using the Samsung device between 8:30 PM and 10:30 PM, I experienced difficulty falling asleep after turning it off. My eyes felt strained and dry, and it took me approximately two hours to finally get some rest. However, after switching to the Honor Magic 6 Pro, I noticed a significant improvement in my sleep quality. I was able to fall asleep within 15 to 30 minutes, and sometimes even while using the device itself. In my opinion, this particular device seems to have a positive impact on sleep compared to others. If you prefer not to use a smartphone, I would recommend considering their tablets as a secondary option.
@VYM Ай бұрын
@@Hemanth_321 tried everything. All options. Only Honor 200 and Iqoo Z9 felt little bit better, but still not IPS. So I'll be stuck with my Poco x3 pro till the next IPS display phone is released.
@salimasadi5975 16 күн бұрын
Hello, my previous phone was Galaxy A71 and I had it for 4 years and the PWM rate was 240Hz and I had no problem with it. I bought Galaxy A55 for a while now, which also has a rate of 240Hz, but I have a little problem with it, eye strain and a little headache. What do you think is the reason? what is the solution
@BansheeNT-D 2 күн бұрын
Bought an Redmi Note 13 Pro 5G. Can't use it, after a few seconds my eyes are in absolute pain. The sad thing is, I had no Problems with my Mi 9T Pro :(
@agussw7328 Ай бұрын
I have Galaxy S7 and Galaxy A15. They don't give a fatigue to my eyes after using it for a long period. But my new Galaxy S23 hurts my eyes so badly after using for just 10 minutes. I checked S7 vs S23. They used different default pwm frequency for same brighness level. Galaxy S7 used lower PWM than Galaxy S23. Is there any relation between their new Dynamic amoled 2x (S23) with eyes fatigue issue? My galaxy s7 and A15, they both using super amoled, works fine for my eyes. This is so annoying. Expensive phone but it harms your eyes.
@rishisabharwal4620 29 күн бұрын
i have S7 and note 10 plus.. both just kills my eyes.. i am looking forward to the LCD phones..
@takepict0915 12 күн бұрын
All i want was just bought phone with IPS LCD but also good camera and stabilizer
@eldibirting3648 5 күн бұрын
poco x4 gt
@BansheeNT-D Күн бұрын
@@eldibirting3648Old Phone..
@Poppingsboi 4 ай бұрын
By the way which camera (you previously disclosed that you use smartphones to shoot video) shot the video at 4:27? That shot looks so good
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
Galaxy s22 ultra
@Smart.Potato 3 ай бұрын
iPhone 15 plus pwm - 60 hz 15 pwm - 306 hz 15 pro pwm - 242 hz 15 pro max - 242 hz this is according to notebookcheck I'm thinking of going back from iPhone 13 mini to iPhone 11 but I love my 13 mini so much. although I have no issues with its screen during the day. but at night something feels off at low brightness. like I don't get headaches but I find it annoying / unable to focus comfortably at low brightness.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
At higher brightness it will not affect..
@agimos_art Ай бұрын
@@XTechByJoinTheAvidGeht aber zu lasten der Akku Laufzeit.
@cocoplops4982 2 ай бұрын
Any chance you could do an IOS 18 check to see if pwm is still bad? Don’t have access to public beta yet
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
I will not upgrade yet either. But once I do I will surely gonna make a review and include this updates topic for sure
@cocoplops4982 2 ай бұрын
@@XTechByJoinTheAvid thank you :)
@AlexandraVascan 29 күн бұрын
i bought a pixel 8 pro and a Samsung Oled in the same time. felt like CRAP immediately after, now i know why. Incredible how harmful this is.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 28 күн бұрын
Pixels have even worse PWM I have seen.
@SongOfLife_ 8 күн бұрын
I have switched from huawei p30 lite (lcd display) to the Samsung s22 ultra and after using the Samsung for few months i started to feel the display is not comfortable on the Samsung phone unlike the huawei And now after watching this video i finally understand why😢
@BansheeNT-D Күн бұрын
No more mid or high end LCD Phones.. And Anti-Flicker mode is rare or removed from some brands.
@Pancake.Rnold35 3 ай бұрын
Honor magic6 pro has over 4000hz pwm dimming
@VYM Ай бұрын
BS. I'm PWM sensitive and ran to check Magic 6 right after it appeared because of 4300Hz PWM. No. Fail. Same eyes pain and headache after 1 minute
@smitjee 3 ай бұрын
Opinion on the s24u?
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
It's the same story . But I haven't tested it this way..
@viveksabharwal9027 Ай бұрын
Its better than s23U but still affects you
@jackwright9616 Ай бұрын
Is it better than the iPhone 14 Pro?
@williamsmarquess8379 2 ай бұрын
Hello. things turned out quite interesting for me. almost every new phone gives me a headache and I can't sleep for days... The point is that I have the z fold 5, which many people say is very bad for pwm sensors. I have no problems with the z fold 5 phone... but now comes the interesting part, because I bought the Honor magic v2 phone, which, if I say correctly, uses 3850 pwm, but is completely Oled... well, after 15 minutes from this phone, I have a headache for 3 days... so I think this pwm thing means nothing... especially this blue light /eye care protection... Maybe just for me....but sadly not worked for me the Oled screen...same as the tablet s9 ultra....or s22 ultra....
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
PWM affects people differently..
@storytop9876 18 күн бұрын
Samsung has the worst effect.
@Brucelee-pv6uf 3 ай бұрын
5:45 so if the brightness higher it’s better @?😢
@tomsbeingtheleo 3 ай бұрын
It’s the thing I extrapolated even from another video, too :’ What a contradiction, indeed!
@Brucelee-pv6uf 3 ай бұрын
@@tomsbeingtheleo ?.
@XTechByJoinTheAvid 2 ай бұрын
Look the PWM works at the hardware level.. where they use a technique through software to change frequency of the LEDs on and off cycle.. extra dim is a software filter on top of the UI
@shyhandiq 2 ай бұрын
This guy is showing three phones that don't support PWM dimming.