I really hope they use him as the main antagonist in The Batman 2.

And the thing is he's not scary because of what he can do to Batman, which is nothing, but what he does to other normal people. Stuff of nightmares, I tell ya.

Pyg👍

@@curadplastic_ass7256 they arent they are using clayface

Brazil in a nutshell

Cause 50 bucks a month for a 3 bed 2 bath apartment is an amazing deal

@@somerando925 Well you could live in a forest for free and I would rather get eaten by bear or goared to death by a boar than whatever the fuck is happening in Gotham

It's better to move to north korea at that point.

@@RixesPuffs Honestly Gotham seems kinda better

@@RixesPuffs North Korea?

And he thinks that's a GOOD thing. He thinks it's HELPING.

Plus He’s More Twisted Than The Joker 0-0

You wish you were dead when he is around

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943his mind is beyond twisted He doesn’t know what’s right or wrong He probably thinks batman is a horrible villain while the joker is a good guy

@@ahmadmalaki8364 Exactly.

Both of them are completely off their nuts

Or Brother Blood or Deacon or whatever his name is 😂 the cult guy!

Joker is up there too

@@Antwannnn I think the name you are referring to is Deacon Blackfire

I'd argue that he's not realistic so much as he's better at giving the *appearance* of realism. The closest real-world parallel to Pyg would be people like eugenicists - Nazi doctors are the most obvious example, but don't think for even a second that the United States was innocent. The thing is that *those* doctors were totally sane, and worked entirely within the confines of the law.

Idk man i still do, but no longer that much

I still do, just because someone is worse than him doesn’t make him any better or more likable

Pyg perfectly describes why Red Hood is necessary.

@@concept5631 Nah man.... Alfred

How? Batman chooses not to kill them. Doesn't mean Gotham can't decide to have a death penalty. How come batman always gets criticised for a no kill rule but Gotham itself doesn't for not killing them? Man's just following his own moral code. The justice department in Gotham look at these guys and go, "yeah they should stay alive".

I love how everyone forgets at the end of the day batman IS a fucking illegal vigilante working with Gordon or no at the end of the day he’s not an official law officer so yes he’s not responsible for killing and really can’t and shouldn’t it’s not up to him he brings em in if he starts killing them sheesh that’s just too far he’s no better then joker at that point frankly

@@foxfairchild2458I find it ironic that Batman has a war on crime, while being an illegal vigilante. Like does he think he’s an exception to his own rule? That somehow it’s fine when he’s a criminal bc it’s for his righteous cause but every other criminal? They are Either gonna wind up eating from a tube or get sent through Arkham “revolving door” asylum. As much as I like Batman, I honestly think he should have used his money as a billionaire to ya know, invest in the city and foster an environment where normal people aren’t turned into henchmen bc that’s what they gotta do to make it. That would have done more actual good than his little one man(+ several kids and Alfred, the goat) war ever did. That being said this is a comic, so plot needs to be a thing and I can definitely say watching a dude in a bat suit running a whole cities fade

yeah, but i'd rather be Jokers hostage than Pyg's next subject because at least i have a better chance at being saved from Joker.

​@@twdl_png755Joker would just wait for Bats

No, because Warner Bros can never make movie or animation with Pyg as the villain fighting Batman. It'd be R-rated.

@@devilhunterred Um... Hate to break it to you, but they already had him in Beware the Batman. Pyg was one of the main villains. Not to mention the TV series Gotham, where Pyg turned homeless people into meat pies.

@@devilhunterredhopefully he is the main villain for the Batman part 2

BUT IS HE GOATED WITH THE SAUCE

He kinda bad tho-

bruv did you forget what he did to Barbara Gordon in that one comic and movie😅

@@Mr.J.M.V.P yes, differently sane

@@Mr.J.M.V.P He knew it was wrong. He's just a terrible person and didn't care

Differently sane? Maybe he's autistic. Except, if autism were on a scale of 0-100, Joker would be firmly at 10,000+.

Nigga here really tries to tell us that the killer guy who keeps doing worse and worse things is not actually insane.

God that was just bad fate for him.

I know there's a lot of issues with arkham knight but Troy baker snapped his back in half by carrying the whole thing with his voice performance. I saw a clip of someone taking too long to rescue the Jason hallucination made me sick to my stomach. I literally watched the collector, which is a horror movie similar to saw, with nightmare scenarios and Troy bakers voice acting left more of an impact than anything in that movie. And if you've seen it, that says a lot.

​@@sadgirlhours4088 i know you made this comment a month ago but i disagree. Not that he did a good job, because while i didn't like the Arkham Knight much as a character and i personally prefer Jensen Ackles' take on the voice and character, he did a really good job as he always does in any role. But i disagree that he carried it. That implies the other actors weren't doing a good job, or that only his performance made it a good game. Jim Gordon's actor, forget his name but he's Mike in Breaking Bad, did an incredible job. Kevin Conroy of course was phenomenal as Batman. Mark Hamill gave a great performance as the Joker, again, par for the course. And there's more, but i won't go on. Wasn't my favourite out of the 3 games (except for gameplay) and i feel had the weakest story, but the voice acting was on fucking point. I mean listen to Pyg in those audio tapes in this video. Idek who that voice actor is but he worked his ass off for a side character that you only interact with in a single short fight at the end of a mission. Yet he put his heart and soul into it just to capture the character well. Don't insult the other actors by saying Troy Baker carried it cause it's just not true.

@mattcallanan6627 I think I was saying that the voice acting carried the character. But like.... girl not Jensen Ackles that's the supernatural guy 😭😭 I heard some of it and it was pretty bad Edit: Oh wait no I was saying that lol. Idk I still stand by my opinion on that. I'm not discrediting any other voice actors. The VAs in the arkham games are all incredible and they all did fantastic work on the game. But I just think that Troy baker was on a whole other level. My guess is because Jason is supposed to be the emotional crutch of the story, whether you care about his character or not. Plus the situations he was in - crying, being tortured, being a 20 something year old who has the emotional intelligence of a teenager - require you to be perfect or you break emmersion. I've seen a lot of scenes get ruined when someone can't pretend to cry. Again, no intention to discredit anyone but he had a stand out performance because of the realism to the performance. I'm so used to really emotional cutscenes get ruined by ok voice acting and when it doesn't happen I'm like, gah damn

That's a very well articulated interpretation my freind, I couldn't agree more

The body horror and lobotomization don't help shi

He doesn't piss himself, it's his shadow, you can see the outline.

Yeah but the "incongruent and disorganized" part of him is why he is kind of a pointless character. Like what other stories are you going to tell with Pyg, that dont ultimately boil down to "gonna kidnap people and turn them into abominations". If your answer is "well it can be anything, hes an amoral maniac", then you have just written Joker in a pig mask. Pyg only being obsessed with perfection, but also being way too mentally unstable makes him too much of an one-off character. Once he is detained, he shouldnt have the mental faculties to escape imprisonment. He would need someone to break him out. And once he is out, he is far too easy to detain because he is not a threat to Batman. There is very little you can do with a character like that, that you couldnt do with an existing character in Batmans rogues gallery. And because he doesnt really have a strong theming outside of wearing a pig mask, why would you ever pick him as your foil when you can pull more thematically interesting and stronger characters to use? (Unless you wrote Pyg, and hes "your" character so you continue to push him).

The bio for him says he's an amateur knife thrower, I think

Probably throwing at “creations “ he deemed to ugly

Batman Arkham Knight

Bro you're wrong for that lmfaooooooooo

My nigga-

Not gonna happen. Brave And The Bold is going to be their attempt at a 'fun and lighthearted' Batman movie to set up their rebooted DC universe. There's no place for a villain like Pyg in that sort of movie.

@@tommyfishhouse8050 never know, I just want a good Batman movie that doesn’t ruin the character and also embraces the comics with some crazy villains in there and of course the Batfamily’s gotta be there

​@@tommyfishhouse8050 Imagine the movie starting as another episode of Batman's 1960s series with Robin, and suddenly Pyg appears

​@@Nae_exfucking cool

​@@Nae_exThat sounds really Awsome.

is that voting out already? whos the least scary villain? crazy quilt?

It definitely wouldn't be The Wall or Big Wheel.

​@youssefbencheikh8637 Yeah cause those are Spider-man villains

@@lloopybooklol

Alfred: This man is unhinged even by Gotham standards.

Only other villain that was scarier than joker was carnage. But pyg is scary

Well said

u shit urself r u a baby

Those should be his origin, pyg a plastic surgeon that was fired after suggesting a lobotomy would cure autism or something. He then went on to practice the surgery on his room mate who was turned into the perfect roommate till they died. He then continued practising on homeless people. Or criminals because they can't go to a hospital.

@@daraghokane4236 I don't really like the plastic surgery angle. Since Pyg is obsessed with his psycho version of perfection then go all in on that: Perfect criminals, perfect cops, perfect butcher shop, but everything comes off like it's from American McGee's Alice.

@@daraghokane4236 I prefer that he was a brilliant neurosurgeon or scientist, but had a psychotic nervous break from reality in part due to his horrific relationship with his mother, and it's caused his persona

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 na he doesn't need a tragic backstory the doctors that did lobotomisez didn't have tragic origins they thought being lobotomisez is better then being gay autistic violent etc anything. He should be the doctor that linked ten eyed man's eyes to his fingers.

@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 seriously is there anybody in dc comics without a tragic backstory? Good or baf Somebody with a happy childhood that still decided to go out and do something

Popularized by Walter Jackson Freeman, a guy who didn't care even a little bit about anyone except himself. Surgery was a performance with him as the star, which is why he would brag so much about how fast he was and do insane things like two lobotomies at the same time. Before him lobotomies were used sparingly as a last resort for the "incurably insane". A procedure with risks and considerable side effects, which could be outweighed by the positives. They thought it was a cure for various mental illnesses they didn't know were different things, and it's understandable how they'd think that. Compare a schizophrenic who's screaming about how everyone's a demon trying to trick him so he won't save the world by killing himself, to one who's a bit apathetic but mostly content just doing whatever. The modern, very prevalent, equivalent is overmedication. An excessively high dose of anti-psychotic meds is constantly being used on psych patients, presumably so they'll shut up and be docile. Freeman figures out how to do this stuff quick and easy with a method nicknamed "ice pick lobotomy", and he thinks everyone should acknowledge how awesome of him that was so he starts touring. Medicine was crude back then but this wasn't even medicine, just pure ego. He would do live performances outside the operating theater, which was more of a show back then with spectators from the public and all, house calls, and of course the double lobotomy trick where he performed on two victims at the same time. All the while shouting from the rooftops how quickly and easily he could perform such incredible life saving surgery with the Freeman method! Any negative side effects you may see in the patient will sort themselves out eventually. Just treat them kind of like a child for now and soon they'll be better than ever! That melancholy wife of yours won't complain any more, she'll find the bliss of motherhood more than sustains her. Oh and he also did it to children, the youngest was 4 years old... He spent so much time and effort on his crusade to convince anyone he could that lobotomies using his method was the best treatment for anything, he couldn't be bothered with truth or empathy when he had en empire to build. He also brought before and after pictures. Did he burn all the photos where the after picture wasn't happier looking than the before picture? I don't have any proof but yes of course he did, obviously! Freeman the zealous drive-by lobotomist egomaniac, performing in his very own touring surgery circus, happy to risk anyone else's mind to fuel his own ego

​​@@WlatPziupp The real history of mental health abuses is *miles* more horrifying than anything comics can think up.

If you look into it, what’s interesting is that transorbital lobotomies can have wildly different effects. For some people it barely seems to change anything while for others it changes them entirely.

@@thechosenone5644 They're anything but an exact science. A lot of transorbital lobotomies were (and are) done by touch, without regard for the simple fact that the physical meat of the brain will have different structures and sizes despite being generally the same organ, and psychosurgery of other kinds is similarly less science than philosophy masquerading as science.

yeah there are a surprising amount lobotomies

NO

I would never sleep ever again.

Idk man he is kinda hot Edit: did. I. Stutter

@@Knockoffedd4581 Woah 😶📸

@@Knockoffedd4581 I agree with you, that man's got the CAKE Goods, the entire bakery!

@@Knockoffedd4581 find god

@@Elvis.D99 hes CAKED man

Joker is fun insane. Pyg is diagnosable insane.

Nah, I still think Joker torture is worse. The pain’s over pretty quick with this guy while Joker often keeps the pain going for ridiculously long amounts of time.

Well, Batman doesn't like using guns regardless of the laws on them, let alone killing people at all.

​@@alfalldoot6715I think the point was that inevitably these various weirdos (who don't actually have superpowers) would eventually get shot by armed citizens given how many random people they go after, Batman or no Batman.

Could you elaborate on that? I'm curious for the details

Zasz would be perfect for The Batman 2 as he's just an unrepentant serial killer. His only quirk is that he carves tally marks for each victim.

And the the joker too

Creepy

It's a fun place 😁

Cheaper living-?

@@Starry-eyed_Samantha ion care how much the rent and how much a burger cost, ong i ain’t letting a giant “man-bat” and crazy clown ruin my 8 hours of rest.

For real

Not in the slightest, he's a surgical maniac, not a cannibalistic anti-hero

That is true I still think he looked creepy and it was pretty cool to see him

Nah, crafting comics storylines (and getting them approved at all) like this can take months or years. Plus evil surgeons are nothing new.

@@jordanloux3883 It's notable that his first introduction into the story is essentially just as a background corpse with the claim that he had a "full backstory" that the creators weren't sure would even work. It took *2 years* after this before he'd show up again and, surprise surprise, he's a mad doctor obsessed with perfection via surgery. His actual gimmick that makes him stand out is that he enjoys pain regardless of whether he's receiving it or dealing it out. It's easy to take inspiration from another medium that does a particular character well and essentially place a proto-version of that into a story where before a nobody could have stood in order to expand on it later. Writers do that all the time.

@@ForeverLaxx But it takes longer than a month to plan a comic arc is a point.

@@jordanloux3883 That's why he only actually shows up as a fleshed-out character 2 years after his first appearance. You can put an introduction "cameo" of a mad doctor into a single panel or two easily without having to go into any detail. You plant the seed, get the character to exist (and thereby the copyright), and figure it out later. Happens all the time.

The concept of an evil surgeon experimenting on his patients is nothing new, even in Batman.

No shit

​@@KaihnhbvcxNot a farmer

What's with the rampant capitalisation?

The Court of owls is why.

@@GreenDude_Gaming what do they have to do with this?

@@taiall I'm not sure if this is Canon but someone told me that the Court of owls purposely keeping criminals from getting the death penalty for some reason. Again not sure if this is Canon or not.

Gotham is based on new York they don't have a death penalty

​@@daraghokane4236 I thought Metropolis was New York, and Gotham would be Chicago

No

That would probably only make it worse.

I think Professor Pyg's final appearance in that show, where he's kidnapping people and turning them into brainwashed animal/human hybrids, is the closest they get to comic Pyg. They just use that angle and lean in on the body horror and brainwashing aspect. Future State: Batman/Superman does a good job doing that.

That's what I liked about Beware The Batman was they wanted to use the lesser know Batman villains. They just tried to use too many.

I know right if I was batman and I had to kill pyg or joker I'm going with pyg he the most disgusting villain batman came across nothing compared to Joker riddler bane or scarecrow

Maybe as an opening foil.