I'm so happy to see Pyro going through wow lore again... this guy has so many good takes on what could possibly be going on in the universe of WoW.

Turns out Sargeras and Illidan are buds in the Last Titan that would be a great twist. During the time when all of them are imprisoned he learns some dangerous truths that force them to ally and he's able to make Sargeras believe we are worth saving and working with

Something I have been thinking about. The Primus is the only one who actually knew the Jailor's reasons for doing what he did, the cut scene shows that he questioned him about them, but the Primus never once felt the need to share that knowledge with us. We also know that the Primus was fully dedicated to stopping the Jailer despite knowing his reasons. Which calls into question weather the Jailor's reasons were just that bad, or they were just that inconvenient for the Primus. Think on this for a moment, the Primus was originally intended to be the Jailor. You can still find imagines of his earlier designs that confirm this. For whatever reason this was scrapped, which likely means they have other plans for him, and this is super out of left field but the Primus was recently printed in the most recent Hearthstone set called TITANS, which is a set that added the Titans as playable cards with their own keyword ability called Titan. Guess what keyword the Primus has? That is right, he is a Titan, one of only two characters to receive the Titan keyword that aren't canonically of the Titan race.

About the idea that light is link to time, I remember the quest to unlock the Mag'har Orc as a allied race, you got during the chain quests : "Tyranny of the Light" where the "rebel" Orcs flee the army of the light lead by Yrel and a Naaru, and they use powerful spell that stop time for the rebels (for etenity?) So yeah, they do entagled...

Awesome to still see you passionate about WoW lore been watching you for a couple year Pyro keep up the good work :D

I'm so damn happy that Pyro is back

When Fyrakk's Prison is about to burst it literally just looks like Azeroth in the Cinematic, because it bursts in fire and the blue lightning is dancing across the exploding prison barrier.

im so happy that you have found joy in WoW again! I have always enjoyed your break downs and theory crafting when it comes to the lore!

there’s a new book in 10.2 that talks about eonar and amanthul having some pretty significant idealogical disagreements which you might want to read

Chromie speaking like an infinite when she tells Nozdormu how she's stop at nothing to find a way to save him was pretty good still, even if it didn't pay off quite as well as I hoped.

Chromie is the only Gnome character I like.

Been a fan for a long time, it's a lot of fun to watch you connect dots like Charlie in always sunny

When you slowed down the prison breaking at 41:45, it reminded me of The War Within when Azeroth was "speaking" to Anduin and Thrall. Same flare ups in a prison.

Glad to have you doing wow lore again, always great content, keep it up man!

32:58 Anything with Illidan in it is dope af. I personally LOVE The Rejection of the Gift!

i think "time encompasses all possibilities" refers to the idea that given an infinite amount of time, all things possible WILL happen.

25:06 Hey Pyro. I wanted to remind you of the in-game talent from the Discipline Priest tree, "borrowed time." What does a priest do? They use the light and shadow. What does a Disc priest do? They balance between them and shift back and forth. What else can a priest do? Dominate minds.

At 12:24 Alexstrasza says, "..brother?" In her daze/confusion she mistook Wrathion for Neltharion. They used to fight the other proto-drakes back in the day together. Thought that was interesting. Edit: Oh looks like she actually did say "wrathion". Pity, it would've been cool if they had done what I thought.

you're my favorite content creator to listen to on WoW lore!

I missed this guy.

Pyro, welcome back to WoW. I'm in the same boat as you my friend, just recently resubbed and preordered the next expac. I took a long hiatus and started playing FFXIV just a few months before you had your infamous meltdown and trip to Eorzea. I just wanted to say that I'm immensely proud of how far you've come and how much you've grown in the last few years with your ending sentiments towards Steve. I think we all LOVE world of warcraft and the lore around it, and we have to remember that there are people on the other end of everything at the end of the day. We can not like their work, and not like their decisions but it's important to remember that they are TRYING to do what they think is the best thing at the time. I couldn't imagine trying to work in those offices with all the higher up people leaving and all the allegations swirling. That being said, I couldn't be more excited to have Chris back and see him finishing the stories he started so long ago. See you around my dude!

42:54 the chatter Lumisack said: "It wouldn't surprise me they use Azeroth's lifeblood to power their stasis prisons" Wow. Yes. And perhaps Azeroth is waking up because less and less of her is being drained since we keep breaking all these prisons everywhere.

At 0:48 I laughed so hard, it caught me off guard. 😂

4:35 so when Sylvanas said "This world is a prison" she wasn't just an edgelord

The message at the end was generous Pyro!

I think Sargeras will tell Illidan what's really going on and they will come back. After dealing with the Titans

Was literally thinking to myself the other day, after the new trailer came out, “I wonder if pyro is missing any of this or not” haha nice beard 👌

21:58 finally someone said it

Sargeras did nothing wrong. Welcome home Pyro, so glad you are back.

Makes me sad to see comments like "I'm happy that Pyromancer is back." Just why can't you support your creator doesn't matter what they play FFXIV, Outer wilds, etc. He never went away. He has been here for a while now.

Alright that’s it. I’m subscribing to this and your twitch

Illidan in TBC - tries to save Azeroth - > we fucked it up Sargeras - tries to save Azeroth -> we fucked it up Garrosh - tries to save all the orcs (in his own way, but still) - we fucked it up... twice... I've said it before and i'll say it again - we are the baddies. Stop grinding world quests and raid bosses sheeple, sit afk or ERP in goldshire if you really want to "save the world"

HES SO FUCKING BACK LETS GOO

"But the Titans are the good guys" The Titans wrote the history books :)

By the way... If You take a look at the logos of the Worldsoul saga You'll notice: War Within - the ring around is crumbling Midnight - the ring around is pretty much broken The Last Titan - Bang, the stasis prison is rebuilt.

i forgot how good pyro warcraft lore theorys are, holy shit

Since when get people the idea that Naaru were created by Titans?

He’s back! When’s the lore spec orgy colas with Acco?

1:43 "I wanted to see if Razageths humanoid form was hot, we never got to see it" 22:00 Based, she's shoved into everything.

So if he freed her, wouldn't we all be dead because we wouldn't have a planet to live on???

Kalecgos always looks like he's cosplaying himself.

welcome back man. i first started watching (listening really) to your videos while on the job site back in the day, helped make those days go faster. glad you're back again

I'm SO GLAD you are BACK! I insist you interview Chris! :D

10:55 thank you for speaking up!!!!

Look at the bfa opening cinematic when anduin does his bubble its almost like he is rewinding the damage that was done to his troops

Dude you're back and there is balance

its official boys and girls the goat is back!

I can't get enough of these videos. Pyro poppin' the f*** off!

Blue dragonflight storyline is one of the best in game playable storylines wow ever had, It felt like a single player experience, and it made me care about characters.

Velen is a fucking COP

sylvanas: this world is a prison coincidence? i think not

Two thoughts for you! 1. "You betrayed the world that gave us life"... by obeying the Titans. I'm surprised you didn't react to this line that 100% supports the "Azeroth imprisoned" theory. 2. You got me thinking during the WW preview... could the Crystal underground that acts as their sun be Elune's prison? Is that why she never appears in person, even though she's the Winter Queen's sister?

31:50 this is what we all will say once The Last Titan stroryline wraps up. I BELIEVE

13:10 "When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die." That's basically what Raszageth said to Alexstrasza.

Really showing personal growth with these comments about Steve and trying to understand his state of mind; pulling for you to get that interview!

Love seeing his back. I think he should add a PauseChamp emote.

You could argue domination is a type of order :o

The warcraft 3 cinematic of Illidan breaking out of his prison implies he was there willingly and could have freed himself at any time, unless it was retconned, or I just misinterpreted what was happening.

dude pyro I would love to see you get an interview with Metzen. also man loved this video

hey pyro, great video, i discovered your channel recently and already sunked in the wow speculations, hahahhaah amazing! One thing that i pondered watching again this video, Nozdormu is afraid of becoming Moruzond, ok, we know that, but, big but here, if that sentiment of him being afraid is something related to de control magic of the titans, and Moruzond is a form of him free of the Order, and the Infinite Dragonflight are a branch of the time dragons that saw what the titans did and are trying to revert this situation. Just a speculation, but something that came to mind watching. BTW, great content, sticking to see what is in the future.

yaaay tinfoilmancer is back!

Sylvanas: this world is a prison….

From two different sources give conflicting information. One stating that it did exist within the twisting nether, but was shrouded by magics until Sargeras' deception. One stating that Argus didn't originate in the twisting nether and was pulled into it by Sargeras/fel, and they were just aliens. Which (to diverge but loop back) weren't doomguards/ered'ruin just Ordered aliens that were used by the titans to hunt down civilizations that went against Life (which is how Sargeras found the sayaad before he imprisoned the race on Mardum), and then after Sargeras' betrayal became more demonic. Which maybe there was a common ancestor or external stimuli that caused the aliens in certain parts of the great dark beyond to all have similar features?

happy seeing you do wow content again - much love

We have missed you sir!

I just want to say that i'm glad to see you back at WoW lore, I always really enjoyed your theorycrafting and speculating on the wow lore. So, glad to have you back bud!

nice to see pyro back in wow

We're back baby

THIS WORLD IS A PRISON!

"This world is a prison!"

I'm so happy you came back Pyro, you're in my top 3 favorite WoWtubers.

The same as in Demolition Man, he was in stasis

I think Illidan with speak with Sargeras, and find that we have fought on the wrong side. The Titans are using powers they should not possess, and Sargeras found out about it, so the Pantheon changed history to make him look like the instigator of the Burning Crusade for a Twisted pupose, yet I think Sargeras' purpose of the Burning Crusade is to wipe out all of the TITANS Creations, NOT all of creation. I think Azeroth is very important to Sargeras, and we may know why soon.

when pyro said azeroth is in stasis it reminded me of when wrathion ate the heart of lei shen. “we have fallen. we must rebuild the final titan.” interesting that he said “rebuild” instead of literally anything else, makes me wonder what else they did to azeroth.

Pyro rounding up the wow fans once again !

“RISEEEE ARGUUUUS” damn that was cool,in that scene. Legion is so fuckin cool aaaaa. And the MUSIC🔥🔥🔥 and Illidan voice acting,spectacular!!!!!!!! THE BEST cinematic in the entire game,and Rejection of The Gift was equally glorious. Oh my god I gotta go spam every Warcraft dev and cinematic director on Twitter to REMIND THEM OF WHAT EPIC MEANS !!!! FUCK CHROMIE DEAR GOD,DISNEYFLIGHT

Bronze Dragons are tasked with *maintaining* this 'True Timeline' via their version of Time magic. The Infinites' goal is *changing* time with their version of Time magic. Bronze's looks awfully *bright*, while Infinite's looks awfully *dark*. Hmm...

21:36 I fucking knew you are gonna say that

Iv just start reading Scaleborn and in the first chapter Alexztraza promises Vyranoth she won’t force the titans on the primals. I am guessing it gets to the point where she has to either kill them, force them or imprison them

What if Elune is in the middle of Azeroth too. Maybe that’s the voice. The book in 10.2 talks of Elune and eonar being in love and Elune gifting a branch of the mother world tree

Funny enough, your ideas of the Titans putting those who don't comply into stasis, what did the AU draenor light army do? Oh yeah crystal stasis. Think you are on the right track.

would fkn love to see pyro interview metzen

I will say young chromie and especially dragonflight chromie (who is a drake not a dragon) is very annoying. I prefer older chromie.

47:25 "Every living thing that's from the twisting nether is considered a Demon" That sparked a thought in me. If denizens of the twisting nether are all demons, and the primary characteristic of Demons are domination through power, and total destruction through Fel. Does that mean that Argus' non-dominated/ordered state IS Chaos/Fel? I'd imagine that Argus being the Titan of the realm of the twisting nether would share in that characteristic. Which would very clearly delineate Chaos/Fel as Total Destruction as it's been stated.

Can't wait to see his reaction to Murozond because that is another cool story that got butchered in my opinion.

I love Raszageth's voice. Its awesome. Also I like Chromie! She's so cute and lovable! Like a fluffy cat.

I have missed ur Wow lore since u went to FF Gr8 to see u here again

So, when Illidan realises what the titans are trying to do. Will he free sargeras?… AS AN ALLY!?

In 10.2 we learn that Eonar had an argument with Aman'thul about the dream and the world trees. I hope you leak into that!

So, I'm really happy to see you nerding out over WoW lore again. Don't get wrong, ffxiv is great and I'm a big fan of rpg from japan but their stories have a different kind of spirituality and cultural basis (Shintoism and whatnot). WoW lore is of a different zeitgeist. Inspired by Tolkien and Michael Moorcock. As well as ancient mythology from what big archeology in the west considers the bed of civilization. The kind of stories told from this point of view are very enjoyable when looking at the massive overall lore. While japanese games are great for me to connect with one on one where I challenge the very meanings of existence with empathy and release... and a little bit of killing god randomly as an ultimate test of our resolve. I'm actually really curious to see how WoW will tackle the act of fighting gods. The idea that the children of Azeroth is starting to hear her is a sign that we're about to get pretty spiritual, but I hope they can keep some of the intensity of war. (Though I will admit that kind of fighting does go against the gnostic notion of any reason to fight a god, which is freedom). /autisticramble

I agree with your take on Chromie.

@Pyromancer, doubt you will read or see this, and I have been siting on this for a while, please take this as a what if scenario as it is meant to be as there is little proof to back it, just is an interesting thought. What if the Old Gods were really spawned from the nightmare, which in of itself was a counter from Azeroth to the Dream, which when got yanked out why it almost 'destroyed' it they meant the prison not Azeroth. Dunno just a fun though since All the names tie to the same lovecraftian lore, and there are dream elements a lot of the time. Food for thought.

Okay with them use what appears to be the domination magic runes, small parts of shadowlands are being safely scrounged and somehow relevant. I appreciate that. It was Argus's dead Titan soul going to the Shadowland that shutdown the soul sorting factory that was Oribos to begin with. Hmmm. >_> I mean I'm not sure I'm just seeing pattern where there are none of if I'm actually just really hyped about the new WoW expansion.

"this world is a prison"

What if. Ordered Illidan is a boss fight in The Last Titan

Chromie is the most annoying thing since Khadgar's floating head in Legion.

So if time is Light and Void, then does that mean when Light and Void clash on Azeroth Murozond will rise? Given the Last Titan takes place in Northrend which is where our fated battle with Murozond is supposed to take place, I think it is a possibility.

I would like that idea of the Eternal Ones having changed the Shadowlands, but the last patch of Shadowlands pretty much downed that one I think, with the prototypes.

I love Pyro and miss him, but I was so annoyed expecting him to watch clip by clip as a whole and then comment, but he paused off so many times that i got so annoyed 😅but still love Pyro

I missed Your theories - tinfoil or not - Your WoW videos are always fun to watch!