Just wanted to say I looked up belt and holster still going strong 4 years later. Will have to check out next time in Jackson as always thanks Ian keep being awesome.

Watching this in the year of 2020, and it gave me a laugh when Ian optimistically mentions the future of the the Hudson H9. It's unfortunate what happened, but it's good that Forgotten Weapons is here to chronicle these sort of happenings.

Ian, Patron Saints of Bygone Guns, you are the classiest man on KZfaq! I cannot begin to thank you enough!

I think the 30 rnd magazine, is the largest capacity, least curved, shortest, most out of the way, reliable magazine size that is easy and economical to make.

I see Ian's psychic abilities are getting more powerful. Look how steady he keeps those guns floating right behind him.

Your story about your friend of a friend almost brought a tear to my eye. How someone could look at those papers and think they're trash is beyond me. You're doing great work trying to prevent the loss of history Ian.

You know what, screw it. I don't need much sleep, it's not like i'm working today.

Must say I love how well Ian enunciates when he speaks. Very well spoken and knowledgeable. Love this channel for the information. Would love more breakdowns of the weapons and systems used.

I definitely agree with the book recommendation. I find a lot of people are happy with Bolt Action Military Rifles of the World as well.

Hi Ian. You are so spot on. Such a living treasure in the Firearms World. I was an Armourer in the Australian Army and really concur with You. I love Your work, Man. Thanks. Keep up the good work !!!!!!!

Your "Gun wall" is WAY BETTER than mine !!!. Great video :-)

Ian, Argentinean is also correct! My parents are both from close to Buenos Aires and they've never said "Argentine" in their life! My guess is that "Argentine" is probably a British thing (I live in Boston) Love the videos!

10:13 What is this phrase "too many Forgotten Weapons videos?" I don't understand...

Your voice, and content in general, fill many sleepless nights. A true tonic for the insomnia. Thank you.

Back in 1971 our training .22 were regular magazine rifles with the magazine removed so you had to avoid dropping the round down the well.

Great video, I enjoyed listening to it on my drive home from work tonight.

13:36 THANK YOU!! so sickj of ppl calling the AR direct gas impingement. Stoner was a genius his system works amazing. reducing recoil is one of the best advantages.

for military rifles, I suspect the future adoptions will be modular designs. ex. need a SAW, add a bull barrel, change to open bolt firing mode. CQB, change for a short barrel and fold in the stock, but all use the exact same receivers and just will change the barrel, mag, firing mode, etc to fit the mission, yet keeping logistics minimal at the same time. the current G36 series is a great example of an attempt at this.

Great Video again! But I got to correct the question of the swiss ammo packeging; it is dividable trough 6 like he said and de mags were based on the number of 6. That said the ammo is packed in 460 round boxes, 60 round bricks, but then into 10 round boxes. Greetings from a active swiss soldier and thanks for the great video again!

This is a great video! I was egaged during the whole thing and surprised when it ended! Great Job Ian!

He walked amongst them and said, twenty two rim fire is cool. Many believed in him.

One thing you missed about singel shot .22 rifels as training rifels in the military is that the fact that they are very difrent from the "battle" rifles is in itself a point. Many millitarys have programs for youth and since training children for war is frowned upon a very simple rifle makes it easier to claim that you'r only training marksmanship and not soldiers.

Loved this video, outstanding information!

I just went to the website, it’s the same book in 2020 as it was in this video

interesting note on sporting purpose squeeze bores. Yes there were a few sporting purpose squeeze bore rifles, but they are rare . A batch of rifles were made here in Australia back in the 70's or 80's i think by Myra arms that fired standard .22lr through a squeeze bore down to .20 and .17 ( i think i recall a .14 was tried but couldnt be stabilised). I dont have much info on it, as far as i could figure out the barrel was bored and rifled to the exit diameter and chambered with a special .22lr reamer with a really long throat ( sort of like a forcing cone ( i call it that)). They were flat shooting with a fair bit of gain in velocity. i dont know what actions they were fitted to, but i guess the would have to be pretty strong. I dont know the barrel life, But i have seen a few around that have been used quite a fair bit and still are accurate, so i guess they have a good barrel life.

"Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. Perhaps a little controversial, but a good thought provoking read.

Cool plug for Belt & Holster. Great Q&A Video.

Purdue ! your comments are spot on. I just hit this video. I was there in 1986 + - Then it was Ruger Mark 1 and Fienwerkbau air pistols. I was better in Air which was a new sport for me and it has helped so much for anything I have done since. Currently an instructor.

A note on the .22 training rifle, this is a cadet weapon, it's not used for training of actual soldiers. It's a replacement for the ageing enfield conversions they were using previously.

The British Army has .22 conversion kits and one of the biggest things they used it for was to use the L85 on the old indoor 25metre ranges that a lot of the old camps still had. Whilst 5.56 was banned on those ranges, and many had been converted to virtual ranges, we could still shoot .22 on base rather than being bussed to the off-site ranges for live fire on the old bases that hadn't been updated. But yes, it's a basic marksmanship training tool.

“Interested to a fault.” I feel that in my own fleeting interests. Thank you for putting words to that.

To anyone who tries the belt and holster link in the description, they changed their website address

Love you answer on "If you only could have three guns" ..Belt fed machine gun!

You should start posting these on iTunes. A podcast of inrangetv would be awesome

Interesting as always. I also tend to obsess about my interests.

Thank you Ian for all the great content>

Outstanding video and info. Very interesting.

I read that De Gaule book a few years ago. Quite good. Interesting guy. Just the right man for just the right moment in his nation's history.

Your comments regarding suppressors are absolutely correct. Heck, here in heavily regulated UK, I have 5 suppressors, all far less expensive than in the US & no "special" tax whatsoever.

As of early 2021 suppressor deregulation, it appears, isn't going to happen any time soon. However, should that have been passed there would have been a short (a few weeks to a couple months) period where silencer prices skyrocketed when everyone rushed out to buy one. After that surge, when manufacturers catch up and the initial excitement fades from the customer base, then prices would stabilize potentially below where they had been previously, and hopefully the range of devices would expand as new manufacturers jumped in to the market.

The tapered bore weapons were called the Gerlach guns there were Also prewar sporting rifles that were taper bore

to the guy that asked about suppressors, get a welrod buddy :) pretty sure ian has done a vid on it

Read the De Gaule book a few years ago. Good read. Interesting guy. Just the right man for just the right moment in his nation's history.

LOVE ALL OF YOUR WORK, ITS MORE THAN EDUCATION EVERY TIME AND I CANT WAIT TO SAY HELLO. THE AVID LIMEY.

I agree on the starting with marksmanship. I got started with my dad doing informal benchrest shooting. Then I got into single and double trap, and have shot that for quite a while. Lately Ive been getting into metallic silhouette (rimfire rifle) shooting which is quite challenging but very enjoyable and great practice. I shoot a west german voyer, and my dad shoots a custom husqvarna. Next step will be high power silhouette. We'd have both started nra style high power shooting ages ago, if anywhere here did it. Being in canada I havent been able to find anything like that. Lots of shotgun and metallic silhouette, ipsc and SASS are popular as well.

When I was a you soldier we used .22 conversation kits for our L1A1 SLR it was magazine fed we just cocked the rifle when we fired each round

Some modern artillery still uses rimmed cartridges as well, again no magazine interference issues there.

"That's like a $40k-$50k guSPROINGun" Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that pucker moment lol.

Here in germany there is actually a company that makes stamped FG42 reproductions. I own one. It is very reliable but it was also a bit more expensive than the ones SMG makes.

1:27 am. Finally I can go to sleep xD Thanks Ian for a bed time story.

thank you for the interesting history, keep it up I truly do watch every one... haha

The nice thing about offset suppressors is you can usually see the sights over the can. Meaning you don't need to purchase/install taller sights that may make unsuppressed shooting more difficult because your sight picture is different.

Rk 62. Best Ak variant ever

Sabot also allows a .50 cal bullet weight with a .30 cal frontal area, so its very good at poking holes in armor given the mass vs frontal area. Sabot tank ammunition is pretty interesting in design so they can get the super long penetrating rods in a round that can still be stored and handled.

RIP Hudson H9 @42:42 RIP Hearing Protection Act @53:45.

There was a small craze here in Aus of .22lr 'squeeze bores' although they didn't use conical barrels.

On the subject of single shot training rifles there are a few extra points, specifically regarding British use of these rifles: 1) these are primarily used for cadets so they are a relativly "safe" weapon to train on being manually operated etc 2) .22LR can be used on 25m indoor ranges which greatly eases training and logistics (for example many large private schools in the UK with a cadet contingent will have their own 25m .22LR range but access to a full bore range is limited to local military installations) 2).22LR is not only cheap but also can be fired from a 5.56mm rifle with a conversion kit allowing a simple progression from single shot to semi auto to full bore all Ian's points of course ring true as well

Finally Ian history! i've been waiting to hear the story win how our mysterious holy gun toting saviour came to be.

Awesome!!! I love it.

superb video

Yaya for the PKM love. Big fan of that platform haven't shot many MG's but got to shoot one at Big Sandy.

From your field trial answer, It would be great if one day you would be able to look/try the saboted flechet rifle that I think Styer sent for testing a bunch of years ago. Low weight, high speed without damage, accurate and small ammo all on paper sounds great with the down side of an all new cartridge type.

Love the mic! :)

Thank you for having enthusiasm in everything you prodice!!! Firt 1:07 of show.

Spot on. What people say they want and what orders you really get are two different things. Doesn't matter what the industry is. "I really want that." then they see the price tag. realize that was an impulse or find out they just don't have the money...so your customers are more finite. If you're a large company you can accept the risk (to an extent) but a small business; it'll run you out of business.

Interested in guns books? 1. Home Workshop Prototype Firearms 2. Basics of Firearms: From Design to Function 3. Hatchers Notebook 4. Chinn's The Machine Gun 5. Advanced Gunsmithing by Vickery 6. Complete Guide to Gunsmithing by Chapel 7. PA Luty's books. That should give you a really sound start - expand with Hogg's Guns and How They Work, Whelen's Small Arms Ballistics 1 and 2, Roller Locking Firearms (this one is very expensive), all the Luty PDFs, all the Holmes books, Bensons's Guerrilla Gunsmithing. That'll set you up well.

I think Ian, at his young age, is one of foremost experts on 'old guns and ammunition' What will he know when he is 65 or 70? Darn.

Kind of a Puckle gun shirt? Looks exactly like a Puckle gun shirt to me.

Someone used to make a .22LR to.17 caliber squeeze bore rifle barrel which even though not pointed bullet had an effect on the ballistic coefficient. Wish I owned one.

Nearly three years later and you're still reading the De Gaulle book. How long is that thing?

Dnt kno wen I was in cadets in the 90 we used s80a1 22 semi auto on an an electronic range in indoors it was. Like a computer game...after yo had finished it showed you where your shots landed an how long it took to take the shot....an the full bore electronic range popped up groups of targets an showed you on a screen where you hit your targeted it was ace....u only got to go on it if you aced the 22 shoot..yes I was a good shooter got picked for Beasley every year but unfortunately had no one to take me I cud clover leaf at 200ft with s 22 martini on iron sites loved that gun it was just so crisp to shoot

Ian also, if one let's a "V" spring fly off from a firearm sometimes they can break down the middle of the "V" due to rapid over travel.

I find it interesting what you were saying about the features of a hypothetical new modern service rifle. But I think you left out one important consideration, cost. I think the spectrum of _weight_ and _durability_ is actually a three-way one, with _expense_ being the third axis. Meaning that you can have a gun that is both very light and very durable / reliable, but that's going to require you using some very Advanced manufacturing techniques and materials, which will make it very expensive. In fact, we've seen this kind of thing and rifle competitions since the mid 80s. I think that the HK G11 is probably the marquee example of this, but it's certainly not the only one. I mean this is generally a theme in nearly all military for Karen. In fact it might be the biggest one. In the last two decades the US military has had a number of projects from Small Arms to a new family of armored vehicles and beyond that significantly exceeded the capability of today's forces, and prove themselves sufficiently reliable, but simply cost too much to be economically viable. I imagine it if you gave them a billion dollars for development, Textron could probably finish the design for their new caseless rifles and machine guns within a year, and produce a weapon that was objectively better then the current M4 in nearly every way. But each unit might cost $2,000. And no one wants to pay that. We've reached a point in technological development where our potential abilities in manufacturing and design probably far exceed the resources we are willing to devote to them. I guess the jackpot is someone who is able to bring those advanced technologies to msrket at a price that the military is willing to pay.

An hour long video from Gun Jesus? Screw the movies, I'm staying home.

My uncle (retired colonel, trained snipers in the Army) currently runs a junior high and high school shooting team in Kitsap County, in Washington state - and yeah, the rifles that he uses are usually in the Olympic-caliber, single-shot, Swiss-made, .22 caliber range. Those suckers cost $10k - $15k each. However, he does gun restoration, so he's able to bring the cost down a bit/ The nice thing is that the kids that are in his program tend to get college scholarships to schools like Perdue, who have shooting clubs.

How did you get on the set of Tremors? I am surprised it still exists, since that movie was made in the 80s.

The Kelly blue book of gun value is one we use at cabelas.

The soviet 5.45 stripper clips were also 15 rounds versus the average of 10 rounds for 5.56 and 7.62x39. That means two clips will fill a standard 5.45 AK magazine, and three fills the RPK74 magazine.

As soon as Ian starts talking about hearing damage the ringing in my ears intensifies.

Small Arms of thew World...out of print, but a good general reference up to the 90s...

13:45 THIS, I have explained that so many times to people and best I can do it to call it a hybrid DI/SS piston. It's the same with most bolt actions with out removable magazine like the Mosin and the Mauser are not 5rd magazines but 4+1 since it not possible to close the bolt without feeding a round, thus making the GUN have a 5rd capacity not the magazine. It's a stupid technicality but still messes their logic up when they realize that but still fully aware of how silly it is.

I've had suppressors on my .308 and .243 for hunting for years and it is great, but Im in Europe.

Do you think you are ever going to have a chance to show us a S&W M39 Mk.22 "Hushpuppy"? I'm really interested in the locking-slide mechanism!

Successful reproduction guns: H&K G-3; FAL; Baretta 92; Colt Government revolver; Winchester lever action; 12 gauge coach gun; derringers, and most famous of all the Colt 1911 and Browning HP. Terrific book on guns: Modern Small Arms, by Major Frederick Myatt M.C.

A GREAT historical rifle that was imported abwhile back that are still cheap is the Steyr M95 both long rifle and carbines you can get one for around $260

Ian those are some fantastic examples of arisakas

Just 3 guns? Ian has a great military mix, but for a do it all civilian battery...remember this must stop everything from rabbits to moose... I would choose: Rifle: 20" AR-10 in .308 or 6.5CM Pistol: 10mm auto or .357 magnum DA revolver. Shotgun: 12ga pump with 3 barrels, 28" w/choke tubes 20" rifled 18" Cylinder bore. With the rifle I can fulfill any tactical role from CQB to sniper. My handgun is fit for concealed carry, open "duty" carry, or handgun hunting, and defense against wildlife, but can be loaded for small edible game as well. My shotgun and it's barrel options will allow me to hunt anything that flies, shoot trap and skeet, or cleanly take small game through deer or larger at close range. It's slug barrel offers a "stopping rifle" against anything less than cape buffalo and larger. The 18" Cylinder bore barrel makes it a wicked CQB and home defense tool.

"Small Arms of the World" by Smith and Ezell FTW!

49:44 That's the gun from the 80s movie Dollman.

The practical squeeze bore adapter was originated by the Czech weapons designer Janacek in the 1930's, a friend of legendary Jawa motorcycle designer / racer, spy and firearm designer George Patchett (also a friend of Ian Fleming who was his spying handler and based James Bond of Patchett's exploits). When the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 Patchett and Janacek smuggled the prototype squeeze bore barrel out of the CZ factory and threw it wrapped in blankets over the walls of the British embassy in Prague. This barrel was the prototype for the famous Littlejohn adaptor used on US 37mm. and British 40mm. 2 Pounder light AFVs up until 1960. Patchett also arranged for the smuggling out of the CZ arms factory's top designers (along with blueprints and prototypes) to Britain where they joined Enfield to create legendary firearms such as the Bren gun, the BESA tank machine gun and the BESA 15.2mm. AFV HMG (a calibre now only used by the Steyer Manlicher M2000 anti-helicopter & material rifle). Why was the squeeze bore adapter called the "Littlejohn" adapter in Allied service?? Because Janacek is Czech for Littlejohn and Janacek changed family's name to this as part of British security measures in 1939. The Germans never realised that they could have simply attached a squeeze bore adapter and just used cast iron filled shots (APCNR) to obtain the same performance as squeeze bore barrels firing modified shimmed tungsten cored (APCR) shots thanks to Patchett and co.'s pre-war espionage efforts. I met George Patchett's daughter briefly at a Czech motorcycle rally in Britain in 2004.

I so want one of those Belt & Holster t-shirts! Don't think they are around anymore :(

I know I'm about 4 and half years late to this comment section, but I'll chime in. As for what's next, I'd be willing to bet we'll start to see greater ambidexterity in future firearms designs, dropping spent casings out the bottom or flipping them forward if needed like the desertech MDR and other little quality of life improvements in the short term. Long term, maybe we'll get a better grasp of how to make caseless ammo, and maybe even electrically fired rounds (no striker/hammer needed, fewer springs, fewer moving parts). And of course better, lighter and stronger building materials. Can't necessarily say that the overall designs will change all that much, but the internals and component materials will be interesting to follow. And modularity isn't something I see going away. Being able to build a firearm for almost any purpose with interchangeable parts (AR platform and XM-8 are prime examples) is almost certainly going to continue to be highly valued. Need something for close quarters? Red dot on top and put a shorter barrel on it. Need a marksman's rifle? Same receiver, just swap uppers for something longer with a scope and perhaps a bipod. Heck, with CMMG's conversions, you can even turn an AR into an SMG in the caliber of your choice (I really want one of their 5.7x28 mm uppers, I have a weird obsession with that cartridge). Pretty much the only time where you'd need something purpose built is for specific functions. The two that most readily come to mind are belt fed MGs and sniper rifles. Because an AR simply won't give you the same performance at extreme ranges as a rifle from Accuracy International. At least not as easily. And belt feeding is it's own beast. For just about every other purpose, I don't see where an AR can't be configured to do the job. Oh, sidearms, AR platform isn't my first choice for that. AR pistols are a thing, but not something I'd want to carry in place of my Glock (I own a 43X if anyone is curious).

Leaf springs....... a small pair of vice grips can save your bacon..... Very handy for percussion and flint lock rifles and pistols, and some older shotguns.

Squeeze bores also lost out to sabot projectiles, since the latter could be fired from a regular barrel without causing as much wear

I wonder if very powerful (semi-auto) pistol rounds are going to make a comeback any time soon. I'd love to see something breaking the 2,000 fps/ftlbe realm in a semi-auto. .440 Corbon and .475 Wildey Magnum come close, so maybe you can get there with handloads, but some new novelty rounds would be cool. I suppose someone could try getting .460 and .500 S&W into something other than revolvers and leverguns, but I'm talking a new semi-auto round entirely.

...I've made the same mistakes (plural) with ignoring inexpensive milsurp...like the SKSes that were abundant (an UNDERSTATEMENT) in the late 80/early 90s...they weren't the AK that I lusted after and I ignored 'em...when I finally decided to add a Chinese SKSes to my collection (Jugo, Romanian, Soviet, Romania, Albanian) they were selling for ca.$300...you snooze, you looze...

I think a read of the Gun Facts articles about Mauser trying to redo their Luger should be a must read for anyone wishing to re-make an ancient classic pistol or rifle. A Colt 1908 pocket with a series 80 in stainless would sell good, but of course then it would be competing against Colt's Mustang..

Nice wall of guns Ian.

Another great episode of Gun Jesus and Pals

I'm sitting here mouth agape that Ian can answer offhand international magazine and cartridge box capacities... salut!